To be fair, when they throw something in the river, it's weighted with concrete blocks!

Matter cannot be created or destroyed, there fore the only way to physically make something disappear is if it disappears from vision. I’d say it was a legal play

@@CarburetorThompson _"Matter cannot be created or destroyed"_ Well, tecnically not entirely correct. Deuterium weights 2,01410175u, Tritium weighs 3,0160495u. In nuclear fusion one Deuterium and one Tritium atom can fuse into one Helium atom. A Helium atom weighs 4,002602u. So about 1u goes "missing". Well, it has transformed to Energy. As seen in probably the most well known Formula in Physics E=m*c² energy is just mass with attitude. Though, there's room for further interpretation if it has disappeared at that point.

yea, i mean it's energy that can't be created or destroyed but we know what they mean-- unless they had a particle accelerator or a fusion reactor on hand, no new matter can be created

@@Asrashas yeah! The energy of an ice block floating down a river...

That's why Alex stopped the clock. And then he left it up to the taskmaster to give points

@@Montewtf The real problem was that he was bad at arguing his case, and insulted the taskmaster.

I wonder if the taskmaster goes to a magic show and stands up in the middle of the show and says to the magician "you didn't actually make that object disappear, it still exists in this physical plane of reality even if I can't see where it's gone, you have not made anything disappear"

@@Meta-Drew well... In magic show you pretend object disappeared and there is no proof for otherwise as long as you don't interrupt show.

@@Meta-Drew If it was his magic show running under his rules, he absolutely could.

The Taskmaster is a capricious dictator.

well yeah, alex couldn't see the eraser, but he could still see a block of ice in a river

@@daearthflatyeet2261 Right but like, Alex eventually lost sight and they still went "nah, it's probably still ice somewhere..." the eraser, they said to erase it, meaning to use it entirely, this said to make it disappear, meaning that once it's not visible anymore, then it's disappeared...

@@DisKorruptd The biggest thing is... the river was the closest one to actually yknow, dissapearing... melting the ice and covering basically the whole house in melted ice isnt really dissapeared now is it. Its still there just water.

Plus their logic wasn't even entirely correct. Sure, one definition of "disappear" is to cease to exist, but the definition before that is literally to cease to be visible. Someone should tell them when a magician makes a rabbit disappear in a hat, the rabbit didn't actually cease to exist cause they must not understand object permanence.

DID NOBODY ELSE DO THAT?!

Later they made him count individual pieces of pasta in maccaroni and then... rice grains in a bag of rice xd

Throwing it in the river like a body was my first thought...

Bruh so true

@bilisha coli Exactly, we let stage magicians disappear things all the time, but they don't truly destroy the thing, just hide it away for a while

dead parrot 2.0.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Futurama.. that's exactly how it was delt with😂

Can't fight something that doesn't exist :)

@@Schmorgus Cmon mate, don't be stupid

@@Schmorgus it's crazy to think that people still don't believe in global warming. Then I realize that most people are the type to never do any of their own research and instead just walk outside and say "its really cold today how can there be global warming dur dur dur."

@@kirk5649 especially when icebergs bigger than rhode isle are peeling off Antarctica, greenland is spewing ~268 metric tons of freshwater causing sea level rise, the slowing of ocean currents, the major flooding on islands at sea level, the plea to the UN to do something before 1.5 C warmed, the ships in the arctic getting through without icebreakers, the global bleaching of coral reafs and so many other examples.

i would have striped my shirt and yeeeted it on the block of ice and then the ass master in a studio lyteral child would deny it lol

I legitimately would like to know if that is a valid solution because it was my thought too

THE PAPER SAID NOTHING ABOUT IT. So I'm going with yes.

@@kalashydra9016 yep, I am watching bits here on KZfaq and this show is so flawed and frustrating...

@@halfsmokedcigarette it also didn't say anything about chucking it into a river

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My name is Tim... the 3rd book i wood read is Timothy.... wilst counting beans then eat the whole thing.... beans beans the magical fruit... the more you eat the more you toot...

I really thought a top to that would then him saying "four mistakes"...

For the greater good

For the greater good!!!

For the greater good!

For the Greater Good

Yes well done

I would’ve just closed my eyes

@@yen5625 that’s not it disappearing, that’s you not seeing it

Cover it with a box

Yeah the disappearing logic seemed a bit flawed. But here's a thought...they had a shovel...if the soil is soft, bury it nearby.

Honestly deciding whether or not to award points on semantics or just because he feels like it is part of the show, the contestants know it can happen when they try to be clever.

@@chrisb.1718 That's something innately frustrating to me. I totally get that and I don't believe for a second that these professional TV personalities actually try to win these fake competitions. The competitions are a vessel for entertainment and absolutely nothing more. I always subconsciously want the games to be fair and for them to try to beat tasks efficiently but in the end the show works just the way it is. Also people bombarding the comments with how it should've been is just what the algorithm wants to see..

Once it disappeared into the river I'll give it, but Tim was absolutely insufferable when pleading his case.

That was on Tim at that point. He had a perfect case to say it disappeared, but he didn't argue it worth a damn. When it comes to the judging - it comes down to making your case half the time - and when you make a great case, Greg happily gives you your due points, but if you don't make a good case he will give you points based on what the other contestants did. Tim had that win - he had it, he just didn't argue his point effectively.

"Thats unrelated river ice"

“It disappeared” “Well I still see it” “I don’t”

@@choog2752 hh im

The Taskmaster Clinic: "It's disappeared!" "No it isn't!" "Yes it is!"

Disappear doesn't mean gone. It means you can't see it.

Step one: "Hey Alex can you close your eyes?" Done.

@@WoodlandDrake i thought of that too! hide and seek with alex

I would have chucked it over the hedge, but it's not a very funny solution. Tim should have had the point, though.

But the cameras are rolling, in the end it’s not up to Alex if he gets a point or not

Then Greg would just say the same thing he said about the ice in the river.

That is a reference to one of her appaerences in 8oo10CdC, I think

@@luciadilazzaro2285 yeah, it was Taupe

@@alanacastillo90 Toupee with an a

I'm thinking of Bob Mortimer's mess.

@@qwertyTRiG but what you can’t deny, is that Bob had a lovely time~

Especially trying to find the bugger from the river, some fokin polarbear might choke on it

@@thegamingbro123 That is absolutely true. And now I really want to see Bob and Mike working together on something.

Or the prep crew - the ones that had to prepare the balloon morse code five times straight for s3... Or prepare the 50 socks for s7 satsuma task

nerd

clearly, the only solution was to drop into a hadron collider, so that over innumerable operational cycles the water molecules would cease to exist entirely

@@mica8701 dpsht

@@-DMD- bro its been 11 months, i don't think mike minds

The best solution would love been smashing it and then being done. Afterwards it's no longer a block of ice, it's a bunch of ice shards. To the block is out of existance

If had put the ice block in a sack, full of enough weights to make it sink, then tossed it in the river, I'd agree. Come to think of it, if he'd put the ice block in a sack right there in the yard, and declared job done, I'd also agree.

Water isn't ice. They were not tasked to make a block of water disappear.

@@jacobnorris8256 ice is literally water

@@CarstenReg Yet water isn't ice. That connection only goes one way. Water is the nickname for H20, wheras ice is the nickname for H20 specifically in solid form. If it's no longer in solid form, then it's no longer ice. A parrot being a bird obviously doesn't mean that birds are parrots.

It was make the "block of ICE" disappear, not make the matter disappear.

Sure, but he doesn't slowly walk away, saying "I'm disappearrrinnnnnggg.....".

Should have put a towel over the ice

There's a slight difference between banish & dissappear though,, the nativity vanishes! I generally don't like Tim's cheating, but thought of this & boiling water myself, do think the time should've been taken! It is in the river, but still visible as a separate block

@@Rerbun I thought of chucking it over the wall or in the bin/ down the drain

And when they all melted the ice, you could still see the water. None of the other people actually made it disappear

Does anyone else think Alex is Mark Gatiss' younger brother?

There is more. He did like 2 or 3 own tasks. I think "individual tasks" should bring a compilation video of all of them There were a few 2-3 season I believe

@@SomeNiceMovies there's already an individual task comp somewhere in the channel IIRC

@@SomeNiceMovies I believe he counted a couple other things in cans, and got completely pissed off when he figured out he was the only one. It was pretty funny.

he was actually sooo mad about that

In my head I took this nonsense logic a step further in just presenting them with the question of “is it still the same block of ice even though 1 milliliter has melted off since the task began?”

I think that was the point though - they could have literally done anything - while others thought it meant melt it to make it disappear entirely because once it was water, it was no longer ice, so it was gone. Tim's was a legit win - but not argued effectively so it lost. Plus he insulted Greg in the process. As long as it was no longer a block of ice - or out of sight, you could call it disappeared, you just had to argue your case against Greg (and the other contestants).

One definition of disappear is "no longer visible". A jacket would do that.

That is literally the first thing I thought about doing

@@RandomFlyingPotato no disappeared means its not there anymorr

Alex would just move the jacket lol

@@somerandomnoob100 draw a face on it, then defend it from alex. if he tries to touch it, accuse alex of touching your jacket-friend without it's consent.

The thing is, there are two definitions of "disappeared" and only one of them is satisfied by the end of the 13 minutes.

The spirit of the show is playing with definitions and thinking of good work arounds. If they had wished no one to attempt hiding it then they should have specified that they wanted it destroyed.

What?? The way you phrase that makes it sound like you’re just counting them then adding the 10 you removed at the start xd

​@@kingtreedede7303I think he is joking, just that he is bad at the delivery. This is exactly the same joke key and peele gave in the counting money skit, the joke being that it doesn't help at all and is not in fact a trick 😂

After thinking for about a min, that is what I came up with. I did first consider getting a sledge and breaking into smaller pieces, as heat transfers based on surface area, then apply hot water. But then I considered how lose of a word was used, and would have been happy to have wasted my first min to think and go that route.

I think he would've approved of all of them except Tim Key

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Josh even tells his teammates to “put some fucking effort in” during the bed making task

Especially after Alex says disappear means you can't see it anymore. I know this was filmed a while ago but this task was one of the greatest injustices in Taskmaster!

I mean the ice itself technically disappeared, water is not ice.

@@Reijvi I'm not saying that melting it shouldn't count as a correct answer, just that making it "no longer visible" is also making it disappear and thus should have counted.

@@michaelmaguire4147 I agree. If a magician sat in front of Greg with three cups, and he puts a ball into one cup, slides them around a bit and then shows that the ball is gone, would Greg be like, "It didn't disappear though did it?" Like yeah it's up the magician's sleeve, but everyone knows he disappeared that ball

@@k1rbyguy So by that logic everytime you blink the world just dissapears.

@vbddfy euuyt Person diving into Thames wouldn't have time to hit the ice - they'll probably dissolve before hitting water.

"It's dead" "No it isn't" "If it weren't nailed to the perch it would have been pushing up daisies." "It's just sleeping." "He's dead." "I'm not dead yet." "He says he's not dead." "Well he will be soon."

That's only because he argued his case ineffectively. If he had made a great case, Greg would have given him the win, hands down.

No they made it disappear, Ice is frozen water - frozen water is ice. Cold water, is cold water. Hot water is hot water. Hot water is not ice. Cold water is not ice. Ice is not cold water and ice is not hot water. Therefore - water is not ice unless frozen, though ice is water but frozen. So melted ice is cold or hot water and no longer ice. So it has disappeared. The win could have gone to Tim, who threw it in the river though - if he had used the magicians logic, that make it disappear was to make it vanish from view, so once it was out of sight, it had disappeared, but he just made his case very poorly.

And here I am, thinking I am clever because I thought "Well, just put salt on it."

I would have covered it in baked beans.

Lmfao dammit I just commented this too thinking I was clever 🤣

How does covering something equals dissapear, i mean you can fool a child with that joke but that's not how the definition works, do you seriously think the entire world dissapears when you're not looking at? Or that your body dissapears behind your clothes when you're wearing them?

@@unmorcipan the literal definition of “disappear” is “cease to be visible” which in all honesty is pretty vague and open ended. When a magician makes an object “disappear” all he’s really doing is hiding the object from view of the audience. So yes, even though it’s not super effective, simply covering or blocking something from view does absolutely count. Don’t forget, this show is extremely open ended with how the player interprets the instructions.

Feral? As in third world rapist? Bigot!

@@HellsYeah8 oh No you're twisting his words.. I believe he just thinks of black people as a type of feral animal. I guess that's still racist, innit.

Ah, good old tree wizard

Nobody thought about what it is that should dissappear. The block of ice strictly speaking disappeared the moment they smashed the block. Afterwards it was just ice pieces, no longer a block.

@@9SMTM6 Exactly. They just had to effectively make thier case to Greg who would have happily given them thier due points.

Bit that wouldn't have made it disappeare. As alex would say for someone there it might would have been just "appeared" 😂😂

@@amberagarwal8396 Ahh yes, for someone there it might would have been just appeared. Classic.

... are there eagles in London?

Alright Bob Mortimer

@@brettreed2633 That's what the sacrifice is for

This is my favorite gag through the whole series and I feel like it went completely under the radar.

Yeah he drinks with Alex in a bar

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​@@jamesmayle3787buddy you're in the wrong place

@@jamesmayle3787 If you try and live by the combination of both the old and new testaments, and follow them literally you will have severe cognitive dissonance.

@godofallthingsandall not at all. That's from never reading both. The old testament sets the law, Jesus Christ compltes the law. Example, we're supposed to stone sinners. but when? after the sinless man. Who's he? Jesus Christ. When does he stone sinners? At eternal judgment, aka after our first life on earth. He sees and knows every sin, determines who's guilty, and executes judgment. After him, the next dude in line casts stones. Literally, Christ casts them into hell, then Christians kick them forever. Hell staggers into layers. Those above beat those below. Sin determines where we fall in that system. It's only after living a complte life with our free will where we're judged. It isn't hard to understand. Just nobody reads the Bible. Everyone thinks they know because they went to church when they were children. Church doesn't teach the important bits. There is actually a self study requirement God keeps secert to see who cares and is trying. Three books bare minimum you're expected to read yourself, genesis, Mathew, and one you chose yourself. Literally, mandatory. Church doesn't teach that. Church is about community, having a place to help and be helped by others, setting a foundation for children to grow right. You're expected to put in personal effort.

You shouldn’t be diving in rivers anyway. They’re often more shallow than they appear. No ice and you could still bash your head against some rocks hard enough to knock you out so that you drown as the river takes you downstream. Not worth.

this brought a beautiful image in my head

He got iced

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My thought exactly I'm surprised no one tried arguing that

I agree

But then you have the 2 parts of the ice block still not disappeared.

@@OmniscientWarrior Still not a block

"I can still see it." "No, you can see *them*."

Then why not ask everyone (+ cameras) to face away from the ice block? Technically its out of sight

"disappear" implies you can't see it, not that you don't see it at the moment, so if the crew can turn around and see it it's not disappeared, but after a moment i doubt they'd find the ice in the river

Exactly, it would be entirely normal to say your cat disappeared when they're suddenly gone and you can't easily spot them, but you wouldn't assume someone's cat is dead and completely decomposed if someone told you that. Completely gone out of easy sight is a valid definition

@Rain spirit I think that very much depends on the amount of explosives you use, now doesn't it?

Tossing it in the river should have been the winner here. If a magician makes a rabbit disappear, it doesn't mean he's burnt the thing to a crisp so it doesn't exist. He's simply moved it to a place where you can't see it anymore. Moving the ice to a place where it can't be seen definitely fits within the task of making it disappear.

They're fine with you going outside the box so long as you provide footage to fill the time. It's all about getting comedians to perform a task to show on television. Throwing a block of ice into a river does not make for intriguing television.

@@Keltix1991 exactly

@@mister-8658 the other contestants can more than make up time doing their own silly nonsense.

There was a similar argument in one of the later series, where the task was to 'Completely erase this eraser', and two or three of them flushed it down the toilet. That was accepted, even though it was definitely not erasing it and was incredibly boring.

That's a big toilet

@@dominicgamboa2554 He means shattering the ice, then putting the shards in the toilet

Yes!!! I kinda only fully realized they stopped doing that when I read your comment. I agree!

and it's not like they show less, they completely got rid of it. Even if COVID hinders group shots, I'm sure some individual reactions would make current series far better. Maybe contestants don't emote as much while watching without audience present but there were SO many cringy and gross tasks in s11, I would've loved to see live reactions to that

It would've been so funny to see the "cheerky smile" Lee gave to Mike during the salt task and see him completely destroyed when it was sugar

@@technetium9653 Sugar also works to lower the freezing point of ice and thus help melt the ice. Some places use sugar beet juice to melt ice on roads as a more environmentally friendly option.

@@anam00090 but they stopped showing the contestants even before COVID, so I don't think it's because of the social distance

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My mind went "grab shovel, quickly dig hole, throw in block, cover up, done"

It "disappeared" from view.

@@syncopatedsock After a while, turns out that ice floats.

@@TheGerm24 Amazing isn't it? Should tell the captain of the Titanic about that, so they can avoid that Iceberg.

I would have just made Alex give me his jacket

But they would still say the block is in there. Perhaps if you broke it so they can't say it is there? Or throw it in a thrash bin?

I think as long as Alex didn't know where it went it would count. So just distract him. :P

Omg I was thinking the same thing. I would have turned to Alex and asked if he wanted to see a magic trick. Then I would go grab a thick blanket without any holes in it and I would return and drape it over the ice. When Alex says that the ice block is still there I would say it's out of sight out of mind. I made it disappear Alex. He would respond that it's just a blanket covering the ice block and I would say no it isn't, it's just a blanket covering an unknown object.

Or I would just toss it down a storm drain.

There are three factors why it is not. First, air is a terrible heat conductor compared to a hot stream of water. Second, the melting depends on the surface of the ice (yes crashing is a good strategy), so it will take a lot of time to melt ice's core. Third and last, the bill is quite expensive 😂

When you look at that block, that's easily 20kg of ice or 20l of water. A frozen pizza has around 300g, if you put an (absolute) casserole in the oven, that might go up to 2kg but it will take a while to heat up. Now instead of heating something from 20°C to 60°C, it's instead from -10°C to 0°C, but given that the mass is around tenfold and the transformation from solid to liquid takes a lot of extra energy, it makes sense. It's not intuitive, you're right, but anyone who's ever cooked a frozen turkey in the oven will have an idea of how long it takes.

Also the oven wasn't actually hot yet when he turned it on, so it would've taken a moment for it to start heating up :p

The specific heat capacity of water is 4200 Joules/kg Assuming that is 10kg, that's 42kJ 1kJ is 0.28 Wh So 42x 0.28 that's 11.76Wh A standard UK oven is 2kW - 2.2kW (so running for an hour would be 2kWh - 2.2kWh) So assuming that you only need to raise it's temperature by 1 degree, that the ice is actually 10kg and that the oven is 2.2kW then it would need about 5hours to melt the ice in an isolated system. Now the chunk he put in wasn't that big, but still the ice was probably at -10C so it would take 10x more energy, or same energy 10x the time. Before the refrigerator was a thing people where transporting ice from the poles to the south and it was keeping things cool for weeks. Edit: also you are limited by the surface area as well, since the heat can only get in by the surface, more surface area faster melting, so if you don't break the ice, might take even longer by the loss of efficiency getting that heat into the ice

@@Rok_Satanas Specific heat capacity of ice is half that of water, though, but the extra melting heat (heat required to melt it) outweighs all that calculation by an order of magnitude.

Visiting the set of an animated movie should be on everyone's bucket list.

*And Romesh smashes the shit out of it.*

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@@jamesmayle3787 You alright there mate? Taken a turn at the left of the BBC somewhere?

But then we are to consider it both disappeared and not disappeared till the shed it opened.

If someone says: make this bar of chocolate disappear, and you just stand there, and in front of their eyes, break the bar into individual squares, have you actually made it disappear?

@@notAshildr But by that line of reasoning if you melt it, and it's now a puddle of chocolate (or water) it hasn't disappeared either.

@@notAshildr Agree, but if you throw it on a thrash bin and take the thrash out... It disappeared. Or flushing it out.

@@notAshildr Anyway, Ashildr, do you still have the immortality chip?

throw a blanket over it "can you see the ice block alex?" "No." "So it's disappeared then?" "Yup."

Salt yes, plugging the bath, probably not. Chunking the ice a bit more thoroughly, definitely. Plugging the bath would have meant there would have been less room for the hot water he was using to melt the ice with. Though salt water can get a lot colder and still melt ice, that doesn't make up for the difference of being able to pour large volumes of room temperature or above water in a steady stream.

They had huge packets of salt right on the counter too

Isn't sugar more effective for melting ice?

@@Ikajo I don't think so. Any water soluble chemicals will alter the freezing point of water, mostly lowering it, presumedly by altering the chemical symmetry involved in the formation of ice crystals. Water, as we should know composed of hydrogen and oxygen. Sugar is composed of those and carbon. Salt is composed of sodium and chloride. I don't remember the specifics, but iirc, basically when NaCl bonds with H2O, the free electrons that would form further bonds are occupied, and the compound is utterly stable. Sugar, on the other hand doesn't form molecular bonds particularly different from normal water. If I'm wrong about any of this please feel free to correct me. The tl;dr is that no, anger is far less effective at trying to melt ice/prevent the formation of ice.

I was thinking salt, water, hammer and a spike or chisel or something