And wing chun (the vertical punch Comes from it) IS around for longer so maybe it IS simply that principle that work are used and even rediscovered later. Btw wing chun was an answer to pak mei (a style looking like wing chun but different) because traditionnal kun fu Monk have been wiped out by thé former practitionner. Anyway it IS like the use of elbow, it IS efficient so lot of MA use it :) Btw thanks for the piece info !

There is a book titled the straight blast in it the author describes the mechanics of the jkd punch she says that Bruce took the punch directly from those texts from John l Sullivan

Dempsey advocated and wrote about the use of the vertical fist.

@@genebrohan2401 vertical punch is the bread and butter of Wing Chun. However the body mechanics of Bruce's one inch demonstration punch, can be found in Dempsey's book.

Jack Dempsey has a book on it also.

Lets start a movement to call him Grandmaster Icy Mike - it honors his rap history AND his status with Mike-Fu or Icy-Do 😄

Good combo of Arts to be practicing!!

@@metrolinamartialarts checkout analysis of Pacquiao's set-up jab. it's vertical most of the time. the elbow is flared for defense. and the other half of the time its used to pull down the opponents guard.

Bare knuckle Boxers used vertical style punching Dempsey was born in that era but grew up in the early gloved era, so anything he has to say is worth taking into account if you want to improve your punching ability.

I think Bruce Lee's vertical fist was mainly inspired from his wing chun training

British Barelnuckle boxing uses vertical punches. You may wanna check it out

You have to understand that every single Kung fu was considered a form of what we know as the translation of boxing from Chinese. Wing chun isn’t THE Chinese boxing it’s literally called wing chun kuen which means beautiful springtime boxing but that doesn’t mean it was the only Kung fu to be considered a style of boxing. In ancient times boxing meant fighting to the death and it was only softened after boxing moved out of Europe after it was brought over from Greece

@Branson Roth preaching to the choir. Martial arts and History is what I know. I was only being specific to make a point. In correlation to the video mentioning boxing and Wing Chun/JKD. Not to leave other styles of Kung Fu or any other styles of Martial arts out for that matter. Not that deep to me. But thanks for the input.

Yeah it's also mixed with Jack Dempsey's powerline and gravity step punches. Wing Chun punches are good, but unfortunately most WC people although they practice their punches, by punching with their legs and hips (through proper alignment of the elbow and the fist), which is how boxing teaches punching, from the legs and the whole body, but when WC people fight most seem to use windmill like "arm punches". Like with the one-inch punch they trained to use their whole body and generate power from floor, but they don't seem to spar much or put that concept to use when they're punching And believe me I started with Wing Chun which lead me to JKD/MMA

So punching vertically is anatomically convenient to transmit more of the power generated by the body weight into the punch at a lower speed. That is a good approach when not using gloves, as it protects the hands, and makes the punch very penetrating. When using gloves, it is best to generate power through speed, and punching horizontally makes it easier. That is why you see more vertical punches in traditional martial arts that were developed without gloves. Gloves changed everything! Pd. As an experiment. Try pushing som heavy object with your fist and see what works best for you

......or you might just have a good jab

@Adam A. Lol You are not supposed to shift at all in boxing, from a technical stand point and to not get knocked out of of a counter cuz shifting make you lose stability and it's easy to use timing against you I reccomand you to take proper boxing class if you can my friend, it helps a lot for your understanding of principle of fighting i learn a lot from it

Thanks, @Adam A., that's something I didn't know. I suspect it would still have some of the same shortfalls as the Wing Chun roll punch though, even if it covers more ground and could be more powerful. Shifting footwork is neat, and I do use it while sparring too (currently boxing). However, because I'm always the little guy, I've noticed a few vulnerabilities to doing so. When switching stance, you inevitably square off to your opponent before the next punch hits them (only for a fraction of a second, but you do). If your hands and elbows are low at that point, as with the rolling punch, almost any straight punch from the opponent is going to hit you meaningfully, or stop you in your tracks. I have eaten enough jabs to the face to have learned this lesson. So while shifting footwork/changing stance helps with chasing people, you'll likely want to do it once to catch the opponent by surprise, or be able to actively/passively defend yourself on the way in. I find it's not really possibly to actively or passively defend yourself WELL when throwing the rolling punch as intended (The Cantonese name for it is pretty clear - The straight charging punch [native speaker FWIW]). 1) You're committed to throwing follow-up punches at the same target and using the same angle; 2) your elbows are pointed down, meaning you can't hide behind them like you can with a boxer's jab/cross; 3) Because you're charging forward, you're never fully extending each punch, so you can't protect your body with a bladed stance; 4) While using rolling punches, it's almost impossible to move your head and body in a way that makes it harder for your opponent to hit you (e.g. peek-a-boo, Dempsey Roll etc.) So in my mind, it's a technique you use when you're already winning an exchange. e.g. You've made them cover up, and you're trying to keep them that way, or they're tired, and you're pressing the advantage. I've found the rolling punch not to be something to charge at someone with unless their attention is elsewhere. At least not in my experience. You might catch someone by surprise the first couple times, but after that, if they're a smart fighter, there's quite a few ways they could nullify its effectiveness: angle off; kick low; straight kick to the chest; duck under and throw a lead hook etc.etc. I mean all of this is a bit "what-iffy" anyway. If you can pull it off in sparring, or have seen someone do so against a resisting opponent, more power to you/them. Just sharing my experiences. The rolling punch needs to be set up carefully, and has a very specific use.

He actually fully understood where he wanted to go with it if you’ve studied his writings. He ended up making it a concept for personal liberation in martial arts towards the end. He closed his schools before he passed away. His surviving students all took a different approach of teaching what they were taught though.

It was always meant to be formless

IMHO, the many practitioners of JKD must--and I say must--study the grappling arts, Muay Thai, etc, and bring in those things to their sparring sessions. Eventually, we should be able to complete this otherwise near-perfect street fighting self-defense style, as Bruce Lee was doing before he tragically passed away.

jeet kun do was bruce lee's personal style. everyone else was supposed to make their own style based on his philosphy, with movements that synergized with the individual.

Although jkd will likely never be complete, since it allows room for improvement.

You should! You should spar because it pressure tests you and you should use it because it's a fun punch 👊

@@metrolinamartialarts It is a fun punch, I do it a lot every time I watch martial art movies 😂.

The time i spent with Mayweathers gym most of his guys used that vertical punch while moving to the side away from the counter jab. If someone practices something enough...theyll make it work 👍🤜

I use it a lot. Great for splitting right through the guard once they get use to your normal jab.

Jkd as It is is awesome, but to mix it with other martial arts, like I do (tradicional kung fu and sanda/sanshou/wushu) its just beautiful the infinite options of technics.

It was difficult 😆

I want to say those guys used straight lefts and right more than a vertical jab. The difference is range. The simple straights dint see much use anymore, but they slot in distance between the the jab/cross and hook/uppercut ranges.

Most Boxers use straight punches once they learn that they land quicker with more efficiency plus the old school guys used them, as for them not being powerful enough for knockout punches Joe Louis would disagree as he used vertical punches when he knocked people out.

Exactly!!

what do you mean "wipe away". Because i do not see it being effective the way i imagine it.

@@thomasmuntzer1004 instead of using the mechanics with punches start with a slapping down of your opponents hands and come over the top with follow up punches

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He does! They're both awesome

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The tension was high

I learned only to do 3 per combination, and this was reinforced from boxing and Isshin Ryu upper body basics.

Learning from the man

Sounds like good times!

Wow lol

Welcome aboard!

For sure! Lon Sao or Cup Sao are big there

Yeah, i like how they adapted it for boxinf gloves, but it definetly has more damage potential in MMA gloves or bare hands where it can be tighter and more of a straight blast

Phrasing? Are we not using Phrasing anymore?