could you imagine develop an mmo with tens of thousands of people around the world adding bits here and there, similar to wikipedia

You did more in 8 hours that the Chronicles of Elyria team ever did.

With unity, atavism and a cloud hosting service, i was able to make an mmorpg in 3 days. The systems part of making a playable game was easy. I found the hardest part was not having enough 3d, 2d and audio assets to fill up the game. I'd need a small army of digital artists to produce all the assets needed for a rich, polished mmo.

Me, who's adapter for my PC blew up 3 days ago: why do I have to find all these things I want to do on my PC now.....

interesting stuff

Awesome! Super encouraging, had no idea these tools were available. I’m focusing on releasing my very first game, a 2D Platformer but the end goal is a Sci-Fi MMO!

Kick starter devs "Write that down write that down!"

Fun times, cool to show how "easy" it is to make a simpel mmo, makes you hope passion projects can reach further then back in the days.

This is 90% of the steam lib

But I could see 20-30 friends building their own games for people to play with. That could really be fun. I’d like to know how you design character, classes and skills. Sounds interesting.

"If all goes well I will be putting a link in the description so that you can download it and make a character" Me: *Pauses and Looks in description* Well. It I guess it's not going to go well.. *presses play*

Mechanically you can make an MMO very quickly because the game mechanics are super established. It's building out the assets that takes time.

Soooooo..where's the Kickstarter link? 😅

OK, time to claim I'm making the biggest mmo ever and scam some people.

I've learned a lot from these tutorial videos. Mainly, why there hasn't been another MMO like BDO. The work and time it has taken PA / KaoKao to work in animations and movements had to of taken FOREVER. This truly shines light on the talent of the visual artists that some of these studios have.

Fascinating proof of concept, but I fear that at some point the tools themselves will become a limitation if the devs try to add something unconventional. At that point they might as well start coding or designing their own game engine. What this kind of workflow is good for is producing a bunch of similarly-designed MMORPGs.

I love game engines❤️❤️. They work great in winter. As soon as i make a 3d project and add a single cube, my pc works as a heater

Chronicles of elyria be like :

those games that actually make money need a lot lot of processing processes, planning and data which often require teams to provide... thats why they take long. You can can't just compare them to something you dubbed under few hours.

Me whose pc killed itself a week ago: why are we still here, just to suffer

Very interesting, this would be an awesome way of running a D&D campaign if you were really Swift with the tools and didn't have to take so much time to do things like entering all of the rules and regulations from D&D. Would be pretty cool if they were an asset package for it or some other table top d20 they could simply be uploaded.

Sorry i'm gonna be that guy now. Sure you can make a functional "mmo" with that tool but as soon as you want to make the game good, the tool will limit you hard. creating assets take sooo mutch time. Tools like this work on a small scale but if you want to create an interesting combatsystem you have to make it custom to save as mutch bandwidth as you can. This tool is great to create prototypes but you will have to replace everything eventually. Has any succesfull mmo been created with this tool yet?

We make two kingdoms. Blue and Red (whatever colors, whatever faction lore) -We have a Valley that spawns resources and both kingdoms need the resources. -In order to gather those resources, you need to control the area. -To control an area, you need to hold the flag of said area. -To hold the flag, at least one active player must be alive within the area. -To gain control of an area, kill all enemy players in the area. -Strategic points (Flag areas) give out resources. - Resources need to touch the kingdom to become Supply -Supply is to be taken to the captured areas to ensure fighters stay alive, as Supply translates in buffs, heals, weapon durability, etc. -Trade routes (roads to transport Resource and Supply) will be essential, therefore must be protected. -Gold will be generated by the kingdom depending on the amount of Strategic points captured. -Gold and special resources can also be found around the valley, however, every place outside the walls is an effective PVP area. For war is eternal between the two kingdoms. -Players will spawn on said kingdoms, train inside the kingdom´s walled area until they gain 5th level (tutorial levels) enabling them for war. -Levels are limited to 20, ranks will be gained, which the player can use for : Leadership (control over npc soldiers) Trading ( becomes a merchant and controls supply lines) Hunting (become a PVE/stealth master to trade your loot with the kingdom) Make your Kingdom rule the valley.

This would be awesome to set up a discord, and collaborate with those that want to do stuff and just make a fun over dungeon game like an anime...

This will forever be my favorite KZfaq video title.

This video should be called "How to asset-flip"

That thumbnail is awesome. A very realistic picture of oblivion, looks great. Wish the graphics were actually that great tho.

Yup. I’ve been developing games since 2009 (and most of that as a mod author), and I’ve seen quite a change in the tools available to game devs. Pretty much what takes all the time is level design and asset development at this point...unless you buy pre-made assets. Even so, level design and world building (story, etc.) takes quite a while.

""Asset flipping" a "perceptible" "MultiplayerOG" without a story, quests, weapons, animations, liquids, crafting, housing, mounts, dungeons, skilltree, etc, by using payed thrid party software" would have been a better fitting title but i get what you tried to say :P just felt kinda awkward when you loaded the pre-made scene and said 3:43 "but thats called asset flipping, we dont wanna do that" just to then do exactly that.

This is actually so cool! I learned a lot by watching this. If ever I have the urge to create something of the scale of an MMO now, I know where to look when it comes to getting started!

The reason I doubt it can be made isn't because I doubt the systems can be made, it's the sheer amount of time and effort that goes into the content. The art, quests, and satisfying gameplay elements still take a long time to fine tune if they're trying to be unique and not simply a cookie cutter experience.

Nice game ;) I've never seen Atavism before, but seems pretty neat. I know what it takes to create the tools for an MMORPG yourself, as that is what we have done for our game. It takes years of work... Now, I wouldn't recommend anyone to create an mmorpg using third parties like Atavism, as you lose a lot of the control that you need to really make the game unique, and fit your exact vision. But if you want to make a quick prototype I can see value in it :)

I am currently building an mmo using Atavism, I can tell you that it is worth it! Setup is relatively easy, and cheap. It's a great framework to build off of, but as a warning: if you want to do anything that Atavism does not do out of the box the programming gets very complicated very fast. But if you want an mmo with skills, combat, items, shops, guilds, mounts, spells, arenas, and all of that, it's the best place to start. The free trial is worth it too! Also, one of the devs owns a hosting website, so if you don't want the headache of learning how to host a server you can sign up with their hosting service that is already integrated to work with Atavism games.

So. Youre the reason all those mmos keep appearing on Kickstarter lately

I like the video a lot but you are oversimplifying the process a lot. While its true that there are framework that can handle some aspects of the backend such as atavism and frameworks that handle the physics and such like unity, there is no way to shortcut the art asset generation like animations,environment, models, vfx where the most of the work time on mmo development is centered on. Also games like star citizen and AoC push the boundaries on which most frameworks play only a little role in helping. Edit: I know you aware of that, but many people on the comments paint devs as incompetent which is kinda urgh

The developers of DreamWorld should have just followed this tutorial

Caspian taking notes lol

One of you climbs one tower while the other climbs another tower and you can hurl energy balls at each other from opposing towers while at the same time fighting off mobs. Think casting destruction spells from an elevated position but that's the central mechani. Following this same formula you could have a coop game where you have to provide covering fire for your allies while at the same time fight off enemies in your own tower. I wish you could have a shadow of the colossus style climbable enemy but that's probably a stretch but maybe giants with unique hit boxes and a flying player.

Its also the fact the info isnt a trade secret so much, and more developers share their knowledge

Chronicles of Elyria took 6 years to make the same. Let that sink in.

I read it as 8 minutes and I was like what but even tho it's 8 hours that's still really impressive since most games are still in planning 8 hours after starting

I love how you quite sensibly used a scythe as a relevant example relatable to game development. Nice hehe

"My server is limited to 100 users, but I highly doubt it'll be an issue." You do not know our desire to play ANYTHING new.

Hakurai: I'm just gonna take free Unity Engine and 30 days free Atavism. I'm at best a beginner Dreamworld with 2 people and 3-4weeks of work:

this guy: *makeing a playble mmorpg in 8 hours* the 2 devs of dreamworld with "9 years of game development expirence" : put tons of unreal essats in one place and makeing a sever a 15 yo can crack after 8 mounths and saying they are experts

bit missleading because what studio is gona start with someone else's probably poorly optimized and outdated code lol but very cool to show what is possible. I think this is a good way to show people what to look for when going through kickstarter as a lot of projcets promise a lot and just leave with your money because they posted a video like this and then wrote about what every one wishes and dreams the next big mmo is gona be like. as a 3d artist i also gotta mention the time it takes to make models these days with the level of detail people expect from new mmos XD

Just think 40 years from now, we're going to be able to create our own MMORPG with little to no effort. just think about it... YOU get to choose the games you play, since you're the creator. technology is gonna be lit

Awesome. Atavism is amazing. I'm making an MMORPG as well. I'm launching it by myself.

Sadly any of these tools cannot be used in a commercial MMORPG. Premade assets and frameworks limit your game and you don’t own your source code. As you said the ”framework has changed and this demo doesn’t work” that will happen to your game also if you don’t make the framework your self. Premade assets and animations are used in every other game so yours doesn’t differentiate from masses. Yes you can make something with these tools but half a million dollar kickstarter game simply cannot use any of these if they don’t want 2/10 reviews and lifecycle of less than a year.

MMORPG "Apfelfetisch"

This is actually a great tutorial. Nice video!

This is so cool! Thank you sir.

Missed opportunity you should have named The Merchant Johnny. In reference to Johnny Appleseed. 😂 Good video though

In this video, Hakurai sets himself a budget of $100. However, *today,* Atavism costs a whopping $499 on the Unity Asset Store. In this video, it looks - at first glance - that it only costs $29. But the video goes by so fast one doesn't have time to read the details: "Standard Subscription / 30 days" and that was last year. (So, even back when the video was made, it would add up to more than $100 after 3 months of subscription.)

thank you for the correct use of the word "budget"

cool vid, subbed. I believe TitanReach wrote all its own networking/mmo systems though and didn't use these mmo kits. Atavism looks neat but what if you wanted to add your own systems it does not include? MMORPGs are big projects, i feel like this video is going to add more garbage kickstarters to the list. you made all that without a line of code? imagine all amateurs watching this video and planning the next world of warcraft, straight to kickstarter next week.

man of culture showing blue protocol, thought that was more lowkey

networking : Imma end this man's whole career ..

I find it hilarious at [0.06] when the AAA game mention looks worse than the indie game mention xD

When i set the location of my playable character to my new instance, it loads the instance, but it just shows the plain on the ground, no moveable character model, or anything

I have games in my mind that are basically ready, but i haven't the skill to make them, nor will i ever have that skill, my mind is creative, not technical. Kinda maddening, like being an artist with no hands.

Here is my idea: Add in, the ultra popular feature from VR-Chat, your very own custom made avatar.

You legit have a big brain. Well done!

*immediately checks to see if he posted a link to his game*

OP, you should start a website where we can do just this - World Collab MMORPG Project.

Make a big game of that game

I was looking for a tutorial on MMORPG Tycoon 2. I found something a bit more intriguing

Was about to press forward because of the long talk and then he said "so let's get started" 😆

Thanks for this, I always wanted to make a game and going to make some time to do so soon

I don’t really like the “I built this with 0 lines of code” direction everyone seems to be taking, coz I like coding lol if everyone starts doing the 0 lines of code thing then idk if being a game Dev is gonna even be worth anything as a job. Plus I feel bad when people whip up these projects so quickly while I’m trynna do it all with code, I just question wether I’m doing this right or not.

Me seeing this video two months ago before I started game dev: yoo that's dope Me seeing this again now: hold up.... wait a minute? 8 hours only?

very cool how does this not have more views

I'm a new developer and I'm looking for a team I have an idea for the perfect game game

Is there a free alternative to Atavism?

I am thinking to make a game like sao

Really cool how fast you got your results. I wanted to try something similar but Im still looking for a opensource alternative for the backend, one that I can host myself without licence costs etc. Maybe someone has a good hint for me?

Wow this is better than most games today.

I love how he came to a complicated step and skipped it like consumers are going to forgive that shit from a released game XD

3:40 “Testicle 😀”

I think creating the engine is the tough part..

Has this mmo framework come out for Unreal yet.

I don't understand anything about making a game, but I'm so curious and passionate to learn it

When will your game be available to play and how do you create a freewill MMO RPG with no preplanned quests?

The problem is, you made an mmo as if it was a singleplayer game... You didn't have to spend months to develop a server infrastructure, with load balancing, cloning, security, replication, backups. You didn't do any error handling or documentation for what you have done. Most of the time, documenting something takes as long as developing something. You didn't have to handle any GDPR user sensitive data or even go through any legal rights. You didn't invest time in even checking what data are you allowed to store for each country. And how that needs to be handled. Ohh an if it's a MMO then you need infrastructure of servers all around the world. You need contracts, a support team to handle errors etc.... Well you get the point... i could mention probably a thousand other things that have to be done. I'm a dev myself and I understand how easy it is to forget all the boring parts. What you did is all the fun parts for game making. But that's not how real world works :D

can it be created on a better graphic??

This isn't making a playable MMORPG. This is downloading the spine of one. It's like saying "I'm going to create this picture" and copying and pasting from Google to Photoshop and saying it's done. I suggest anyone interested in this learn the actual skills required.

That moment when you make a demo game that looks better the a lot of full release games after they spend hundreds if not thousands of hours on it >_> lol Animations appear very smooth which is something so few games actually manage well. Lol

Nice work, explanatory. But below 100 bucks where Atavism alone is more than 400 bucks on the asset store?

Wow made a cool game in 8 hours. Really cool 👍.

"that's kinda called asset flipping so..." *uses different assets for his asset flip*

Lmao when i clicked on this video i got a mmorpg ad

It took chronicles of elyria a bit longer..

Making a mini MMO sounds fun. 4 zones? A couple mini dungeons? 1 mini raid? Maybe a way to do duels and pvp? Btw, you forgot a respawn system, unless the game has it in there already Edit: I posted this comment 30 secs ago and I've already thought about how the world can be done lol. Maybe instead of having a normal quest system, you can freely do things in the world and interact in almost any way you want. Basically, imagine if you talk to an NPC, and they tell you about something, like how someone stole a family heirloom. You dont get a quest for it, but they tell you where the person is. You decide you want to go check out this guy, and you find a small hide out of some bandits, which it turns out this guy is one of them. You can now do a few things: you can try to sneak into there, you can try to be diplomatic and either buy it from them or trade them or something, or you can go the normal route and just slaughter everyone. When you get the item and leave, you get points towards your sneak, fighting, or diplomacy skill based on what you did. Then you look at the item and realize that the heirloom is a really good neck piece or something, and now you have the choice of either equipping it, giving it back, or selling it for a high price. If you give it back, you gain exp and rep, but keeping or selling it makes you lose some rep. You would need rep to be able to buy things from the shops, repair, etc. and the higher your rep, the lower the costs and the better the vendors you have access to. The game could have tons of different things that you can interact with and people you can talk to, and it could activate events and interactions not only based on what you interacted with, but what other interactions you've had with other things before, your skills, your stats, your items, your rep, etc. and having it be a mini MMO would allow you to make the different interactions since there's not much of the game in the first place. Now I really wish my laptop adapter wasn't broken.

The tech is not what screws up a project, changing features/scope is

when you playtest a game does it mean you need players to test it or just yourself because it still confuses me

Where can I find the tutorial for customize the character?

Does anyone know where the thumbnail image is from?

you should make a option to create posted signs in the game where people can post ideas in a area where they like.

14:00 "a functioning mmo" funcitioning =/= fun

Where did you find this Synty addon for atavism?