Worm gears give very high gear ratios and thus torque. In this video I made a simple model using a bolt as a worm wheel. / maciej-nowak-962547184 / mn.projects
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@davidlewis73822 жыл бұрын
I have done this on mills too. It is a very good method to create custom worm gear sets. You get very good engagement as well. I had to make these type of gear sets for scientific instruments. No one made the sizes and gear ratio I needed. Nice video and methods
@robertqueberg46122 жыл бұрын
I spent fifty years in toolrooms, building stamping dies, injection molds, and lots of prototype gizmos. I am very impressed.
@Hathorr10672 жыл бұрын
Wow, that is the most effed up way I've ever seen a gear cut, and it worked just fine. Props.
@jaakkopontinen2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it just happened to align :D
@brenturk222 жыл бұрын
@@jaakkopontinen ive been trying to figure out how he got it to align nicely too
@jaakkopontinen2 жыл бұрын
Trial / error /luck. Or perhaps math (diameter vs pitch), but that would, of course, require veeery precise calibration and settings on the lathe.
@higamerXD2 жыл бұрын
@@jaakkopontinen or, just dont show your fucked up bit of the gear on video that might also be the case. he made it out of brass anyways so its totally useless
@Hathorr10672 жыл бұрын
@@higamerXD Not really. It's common to have a bronze ring gear. One, it will protect the motor since it will strip first, and it's a stronger gear to make out of brass compared to the pinion worm gear. Bronze is actually quite strong. Plus, it will hold oil better compared to steel.
@AntonySimkin3 жыл бұрын
MAN! Man! MAN!!! This is genius! Using a common threading bit and a lathe... oh boy I will make so many worm reductors now lol THANK YOU!
@TheGrtCornholi03 жыл бұрын
Now my elevator may not go to the top floor all the time, but I have a sneaking suspicion you might have a little sarcasm in that tone of yours.
@adityarane57353 жыл бұрын
I doubt the strength of brass gear teeth. It wont be able to bear high torques. You will need high strength materials and also axial load bearings.
@anelpasic52322 жыл бұрын
@@adityarane5735 Most worm gears are made from either brass or bronze. You are underestimating the shear strength of those two materials.
@corneilcorneil2 жыл бұрын
How do you calculate the diameter?
@Hathorr10672 жыл бұрын
@@adityarane5735 As Anel Pasic said, it's vary rare to find a wheel gear that isn't brass or bronze unless it's special purpose. That is your wear gear. Normally, the wheel gear is attached to another gear that leads into further gear reduction to handle even more torque if so desired.
@Gravy_Master2 жыл бұрын
It’s been a pleasure viewing your gears, young man. Thank for the performance.
@pomojemu32352 жыл бұрын
Using threading tap is a briliant idea. Thanks for the film!
@7alfatech8603 жыл бұрын
Very nicely done. Might be a good idea to cover the ways of the lathe when using the Dremel.
@rodblomley85173 жыл бұрын
I am so thankful to have come across this wonderful,amazing, video. Thank you very much!!!!
@Inventive1013 жыл бұрын
A special work! I've been working with machines for 15 years but I can still learn tricks from you. Today's technology no longer allows you to learn things. Wonderfully worked and clean. Good luck
@iiamibrahim3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate you brother give me a shout out please..I'll be waiting
@daos33003 жыл бұрын
'Today's technology no longer allows you to learn things.' what..?
@Inventive1013 жыл бұрын
@@daos3300 For example in your video. At work, everything is done on cnc, we rarely do manual work
@daos33003 жыл бұрын
@@Inventive101 ah, you mean hand made things. fair enough but on the other hand, there is a lot to learn with cnc/software/3D printing and new materials tech. exciting times in a different way.
@Inventive1013 жыл бұрын
@@daos3300 It's true, it's also a beautiful part of things. I'm a manual fan anyway
@Equismaximus3 жыл бұрын
I have been a Tool & Die maker for over 50 years but I want to commend you on your skill and ability to make such a fine project with so little. Your methods at times scare me as far as safety goes and your fingers as holding things with your hands can lead to the loss of fingers and I have seen eyes put out in machine shops I have worked in but still I have never seen so much made with so little. ' We used to have a saying when I worked at Arizona State University in the Physics Machine Shop for 20 years before I retired. "We the willing, lead by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much for so long with so little that we are now qualified to anything with nothing at all"! You personify that statement! You Rock my friend and I say Kudos to you. What a beautiful job you did with rudimentary tools. Your ingenuity is to be admired. It takes a person with knowledge of such devices (worm and worm wheel) to appreciate what you have done. The unknowing will just look at it and see nothing. Truly, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. The knowing will see beauty in every step. The unknowing will just stare like a deer in a headlight. Take care and keep up the good work. Maximus has spoken.
@davidwillard73343 жыл бұрын
Thank you ! MISTER MAUDESLAY !! / VAUCANSEN !!!
@ElChokin3 жыл бұрын
I don't understand how there can be people who don't like this work of yours, it's GREAT, very professional, greetings from Punta Umbría-Huelva.
@humblehombre99042 жыл бұрын
Beautiful work, brother. Well made!
@aramroshani6197 Жыл бұрын
Excellent job, after long time working I learned something completly new. Thanks
@Reegareth2 жыл бұрын
this looks amazing. I do wonder just how much strain those smaller threads can take on a single side like that If it can take a few thousand pounds without deforming the threads this would be an amazingly useful bit of kit to have.
@higamerXD2 жыл бұрын
well, he did take brass so realistically this is only a desk decor piece as the brass could never take any amount of real force
@timkooper2 жыл бұрын
Won't take much over time.
@TechieTard Жыл бұрын
The guy most obviously knows what he's doing. I pretty sure he understands loads in respect to the application. I believe he made it more for the need of the ratio and not the output force seeing that's what he cited in text.
@Yamahog10 ай бұрын
@@TechieTard Myself, I would have used aluminum bronze , it's really tough. And for the bearing bosses..... I was kinda hoping he was using a digital readout on the X and Y axis' of the mill....... The back lash on the threads seems a bit excessive..... say 20 thou instead of maybe 3 or 4 thou.... meaning I would have used a fly-cutter to get the bosses dead-center for proper back-lash clearances..... but then, that's just me being a fuss-budget, lol.
@navid98523 жыл бұрын
It is so spectacular watching how you used the tap to make gear teeth. Amazing work and so satisfying to watch.
@rosannaspeller94083 жыл бұрын
Yes this was the coolest part! Very inspiring
@trappenweisseguy273 жыл бұрын
It’s called hobbing.
@howardsmith11112 жыл бұрын
Great vid. How did you position the drive gear in the housing to obtain an accurate backlash on the worm?
@vikassm3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic work mate! Looks really good, works well too. Best to have a nice tight press fit for bearings, if that's not possible then make it a sliding fit and use loctite bearing retainer (638/648) for bearing/shaft seals instead of jb-weld or generic epoxy. Also use tapered roller bearings instead of ball bearings for the bolt-drive if there's going to be high axial loads.
@rogerdeane36083 жыл бұрын
Depends on it's use. With JB weld you don't need a circlip or retainer cap, I use it often for this purpose especially if it is low speed low load..
@bobturnbull1811 ай бұрын
Tapered bearing thrust side only. Other side should be a ball bearing. If they are both tapered the off side bearing clearance will increase as the heat of operation expands the housing.
@paulomelo54532 жыл бұрын
Hi ! The idea is good but...... The tool you used to create the teeth on the crown would have to be slightly different. As there is a height difference between the tooth head and the tooth foot, the tool would have to be modified so that the coupling between the screw and the crown was more precise. It may work, but it can't be too demanding on the system.
@oleg9782 Жыл бұрын
Very nice.! U know instead of jb weld like u use on ur bearings u can use medium/semi permanent or red/ permanent thread locker with thread locker u have the option to change the bearings if needed in future with a heat gun. That’s how I installed mine when I was building belt pulley ls for belt grinder and it works perfectly till this day and it’s been over a year now almost daily use.
@burdal8071 Жыл бұрын
Wow! - projekt jest genialny i zrobiony bardzo estetycznie, na pewno wypróbuję
@heater1011012 жыл бұрын
Love the project for my little shop. Good job man.
@hydorah2 жыл бұрын
I really like the way you cut the thread on the gear very ingenious. I really did not like the use of epoxy instead of press fit or even snap rings to retain the bearings. But yeah pretty cool. Impressive welding also
@akinnon2000Ай бұрын
wow... extremly professional
@kennedy679512 жыл бұрын
Well, 'I learned something new. Thanks for the upload.
@josemanon6295 Жыл бұрын
Great job! How to calculate diameter' gear, if you want a determined number of teeth? And how "pitch" first and last teeth in the first pass? Does it "automatically" match? Thanks.
@riccardoa.ballerini79892 жыл бұрын
how do you calculate the diameter in order to avoid a thread mismatch at the end of the work?
@therestorationshop Жыл бұрын
taps are a certain number of threads per inch or millimeter. As such you calculate the diameter such that the circumference is evenly divisible by the threads per inch/mm of your tap.
@marutikantikar4324 Жыл бұрын
@@therestorationshop right
@seditt5146 Жыл бұрын
Pie is good, very tasty, everyone loves pie.... you guys like pie? Apple pie... cherry pie... shoe fly pie... mmmmmm mmmmmm love me some PI !
@dhanushembekar3751 Жыл бұрын
Good question and best answer too.
@CMAenergy2 жыл бұрын
Question When that wheel comes around to the original place of starting, What's to say it will line up correctly to the original threads? I think you were lucky, unless you did some serious calculations
@poipoi3002 жыл бұрын
I'm not a machinist but I assume you could get your tap TPI, multiply it by a certain factor and that's your disc circumference
@artstechnology7809 Жыл бұрын
Great job very professional. Respect for you genius. 👏👏👏
@seanc80612 жыл бұрын
I made one very similar. Only issue is once you add a load on the worm gear, the steel bolt will destroy the brass gear.
@charliemacrae10452 жыл бұрын
Amazing work. Thank you
@glennlopez67722 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! It would be nice to know what made you take this approach! So clearly explained!
@utubefrog093 жыл бұрын
You’re making it look way too easy, I just wish it was for everyone, awesome!
@fortoday04 Жыл бұрын
Very cool. Love the shop.
@venkatanarasimhamkadambari242 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant Mechanical Work 👌👌👌
@christianeriksson47338 күн бұрын
Very nice! It should be said though that not all worm gears have a locked output gear. I currently have a 15:1 gear in front of me which is actually back-driveable. Just so no one builds a dangerous machine based on the information in the video.
@allanramgoolam8007 Жыл бұрын
You are a”REAL” boss, thanks.
@j.villacora91053 жыл бұрын
Awesome work sir, keep up a good work sir, appreciating from the Philippines
@cdrive57572 жыл бұрын
Impressive work!
@jeerrrrrrryyyyy3 жыл бұрын
Wow dude! I'm very impressed with your ingenuity on this project. I do have one question for you if you don't mind. Why didn't you cut the bolt support bearing housing to a .001"/.002" press fit? The epoxy works too, and i love the finished product! 10 out of 10 in my book Brother.
@MCsCreations3 жыл бұрын
Pretty fantastic work, dude! Nicely done! 😃 Looking forward to see where you're going to use it! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@jameswiz2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for not just blasting music during the video.
@MechanicAvenueАй бұрын
Professionals Always Professionals keep it up 👌👌✌✌👉👉👍👍🤝
@danalexandroaie32333 жыл бұрын
Nice and interesting your presentation, but I have a question: when you first cut that gear using a M20 tap, how did you know the gear would have an integer number of teeth? That operation is usually made using a divider in order to get an integer number of teeth.
@daos33003 жыл бұрын
worked to nearest standardised diametral pitch? plenty of scope with the manual grinding (would have used a form tool myself)
@sebwiers13 жыл бұрын
You can make a good guess at a tooth radius that will work by doing some math. If you are off by a small bit, the setup will mostly self correct, dividing the error evenly spreading the error across all teeth. You run into the same challenge when knurling - a knurling roller has a set spacing that you want to work out to wrapping around the part an integer number of times. But nobody uses a divider to lay out knurls.
@trappenweisseguy273 жыл бұрын
The out diameter has to be cut to very close tolerances in order for the hobbed teeth to be perfectly in sync. There will be charts or tables available for this.
@pauls57453 жыл бұрын
I guess if it's brass, you could just keep running it and increase depth until clean teeth were evenly formed, but youd have to be pretty close to the target OD to start off. Im sure there's charts for # of teeth for diameter based on TPI, but it might be faster to do the math than search for that. (1 /your bolt TPI) = spline spacing, then multiply that by # of splines you want = Circumference, then (C / 3.14) will give you the OD inches. there's other ways. this will get you close
@grumblycurmudgeon2 жыл бұрын
Outside calipers and a willingness to spend more time with a dremel in 90 second increments until you've arrived? Sneak up on it? The other responses are right about self-correcting, assuming one is close, but I'd be prepared to assert you could get it down to lathe tolerances with a dremel and a LOT of patience...
@DGA20003 жыл бұрын
You do beautiful work. You're a freaking genius...
@Imwright7202 жыл бұрын
Beautiful job. You make it look so simple. I know it isn’t.
@georgelee68572 жыл бұрын
Excellent work
@michal_king4782 жыл бұрын
i hope I get to do something like that on a lathe at my university. Ive wanted to construct a heavy telescope mount for a long time but an essential part of those is a worm gear (since they spin at around one revolution per 23h 56m)
@satyajitbhadraroy77232 жыл бұрын
Yes. This will work neatly on a tracking mount.
@repalmore2 жыл бұрын
Very good idea. Thank you.
@pawelrafael252 жыл бұрын
nicely done...good job
@lukem280 Жыл бұрын
I like the vice on your drill press
@robrussell59113 жыл бұрын
Looks ideal for a homemade power cross feed for the milling machine.
@davidcarter23683 жыл бұрын
Indeed. Edit - Speed rate change would be as easy as four bolts.
@robrussell59113 жыл бұрын
@@davidcarter2368 yes, good point.
@nickbrutanna99732 жыл бұрын
Very interesting. How did you know how to make the threads on the gear "intersect" at the end? I assume it was a calculation, but how does that get made? I mean, you could take it around once, and it could obviously just start a new threading overlaid on the old one, messing up the point -- the thread had to **exactly** match into itself after one (and each subsequent) revolution of the work gear blank.... even a fraction of an inch of variance would have meant a less than accurate in-fit with each successive revolution, meaning slop... How did you determine what was done/needed?
@rickirish950 Жыл бұрын
Could be wrong but I'd think after hand turning it to pilot the threads then having the lathe spin it several hundred times most likely created the path needed based on the positioning (how true/little the tap had any play) it creates a true pattern automatically based on it being a circle, plus possibly he just did the math based on thread space/circumference of the circle idk lol :P I'm lonely what can I say.
@andrewfrost88662 жыл бұрын
Very impressive!
@peterweller85832 жыл бұрын
That is an elegant solution. I wonder if you could repeat this exorcise with an acme thread. 😁 Of course a thrust bearing might be of more use in this case.
@mrohny762 жыл бұрын
świetna robota ładnie wyszło
@rogerdeane36083 жыл бұрын
Nice job. I have a Taiwanese Mill with a very touchy spindle quill drive, 5 deg turn of the handle is about 3th. I am at the moment making a worm wheel and worm gear for it so this video is inspiring. Thank you.
@charlespartak24352 жыл бұрын
in order for the threads to meet properly at 360* how do you know what the driven gear diameter would be before cutting the worm gear teeth?
@brenturk222 жыл бұрын
How did you manage to get the precision right so there were an integer number of teeth around gear? Since the diameter gets smaller as you cut the ridges deeper did you just keep going until the ridges met in the middle as an integer number, or was it sized specifically/another part of the design process that ensured your brass gear had clean and a flat number of teeth?
@kenparkerarchtoppery94402 жыл бұрын
Damn good question, just like knurling, sometimes you get lucky. If he did calculate the number of teeth he's keeping it a secret.
@brenturk222 жыл бұрын
@@kenparkerarchtoppery9440 Now I'm gonna fall down the rabbit hole of knurling videos lol, thanks Ken. Hope you've been well
@peterdrury56272 жыл бұрын
Fantastic project. Looks like you got the start and finish of the threads on the wheel to meet up perfectly. How did you do that?
@marcelbron61282 жыл бұрын
Circumference divided by the thread pitch must be an integer and then it works.
@peterdrury56272 жыл бұрын
@@marcelbron6128 Thanks!
@allanwalker53052 жыл бұрын
was there a calculation for the diameter of the output wheel, to make sure that the threads lined up properly around the wheel, or was it eyeballed and you just got lucky? using a cutter and dremmel doesn;t seem the most accurate, so i guess it was eyeballed.
@SuperMechanic2 жыл бұрын
Very amazing work
@fava77533 жыл бұрын
Excellent engineering skills . A pleasure to view your detailed work . . Keep up the excellent work and content . Amazing quality work .
@nathkrupa3463 Жыл бұрын
Great design nice thank you so much sir.
@jesuscornejo27922 жыл бұрын
excelente, sin embargo el bronce debe ser al aluminio y la lubricación es en aceite, caso contrario se malogra. saludos
@tbertw2 жыл бұрын
How did you determine the radius or diameter of the wheel to allow the tap to fit perfectly along the circumference?
@gkasprow Жыл бұрын
I have an impression that he continued until it fit :)
@fanman4213 жыл бұрын
Almost exactly how I made one. However since worm screws have a specific thread profile, I made the wheel hog out of one of two screws salvaged from some reducers. Mine was exactly 180:1 intentionally. I did use a dividing head to cut the 180 notches to get it started. Made a great 4th axis for a cnc router.
@ElektroKwapi3 жыл бұрын
Świetna robota! Genialny i prosty sposób z gwintownikiem! Pozdrawiam!
@youtubeforeveryone Жыл бұрын
Oooh, that's practical engineering!😀😀😀
@TechieTard Жыл бұрын
This makes me want a mini lathe so bad!
@JTMakesIt3 жыл бұрын
Great workmanship!
@starman20242 жыл бұрын
Brilliant!
@catthecommentbothunter68902 жыл бұрын
Shout out to the people including me who has no lathe🤣🤣🤣🤣
@user-dj3qc8tw2k4 ай бұрын
Можно попробовать на токарном по дереву
@amitmondal88052 жыл бұрын
Sir after running long time the gears will be heated due to friction.So it should reduce friction using oil.
@Mrbooboo19722 жыл бұрын
Great job, Great Video.
@ZoonCrypticon3 жыл бұрын
I´d so much loved to learn things like that. Metal working is a nice hobby.
@ALI-fj1xf3 жыл бұрын
I can't believe what great job you did ! You're just AWESOME
@MGTOW-nn9ls2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant 👏
@antonio.stefanelli3 жыл бұрын
Spectacular! Amazing! this will be the base for a lathe divider with Arduino and stepper motor. Compliments for your idea and your work
@user-xz3xf6bc8o8 ай бұрын
The gear ratio of the worm gear to the worm wheel cannot be a decimal number! In this case, the worm gear has to spin EXACTLY 110 times for the worm wheel to rotate once.
@ger_ivexrn29612 жыл бұрын
How did all the threads line up so perfectly? Don't you have to choose the diameter very precisly?
@user735_2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I wonder that too. At the end of the threading process don't know how they align OK to close the loop
@Georgehanes-GJH1057752 жыл бұрын
@@user735_ I imagine there was either a lot of trial and error or math and measurements we aren't seeing. Probably measurements judging by how good this looked.
@quintmcm30762 жыл бұрын
You just keep cutting deeper till they align. At a certain depth they will align then deeper they would misaligned and deeper again they would align again. When you have a full thread cut and aligned stop. Saves working out math. That my take on it
@danneumann32742 жыл бұрын
nice job My friend. So many men have been seriously injured by wearing gloves on a drilll press or lathe. It happens in a fraction of a second.
@DurekuDragon2 жыл бұрын
Looks cool as hell. I'm guessing you left it open because you didn't want to disassemble it for periodic cleaning and greasing?
@mjktrash2 жыл бұрын
How did you go about setting the lash between the worm and the gear?
@vimp55942 жыл бұрын
иииии подача смазки в такой узел тугой струёй. Лайк, людям с руками всегда лайк
@Bob_Adkins3 жыл бұрын
Great work, beautiful worm gear. When in actual use, it will need some grease.
@stevebabiak69973 жыл бұрын
I would suggest lithium grease for the interface between the gear and the screw.
@timtaylor8998 Жыл бұрын
Excellent!!!
@user-js9bq1xo8d11 күн бұрын
Следует подшипники винта устанавливать с внутренней стороны обоймы подшипника. И на винту делать ограничители для устранения продольного хождения винта. Потому как при большой нагрузке на винт он будет выходить с посадочных мест под подшипник, и даже с самим подшипником. И у данной конструкции нет возможности регулирования резьбового зазора. Но как наглядное пособие для изготовления ходоуменьшителя сойдёт. 😂
@juanmanuelgreco7738 Жыл бұрын
El torno la maquina más completa sin dudas!
@user-dr9gb2dn4v2 жыл бұрын
1 вопрос: зачем делать червячную передачу винт-гайка с использованием метрической резьбы вместо прямоугольной(ну или на крайняк трапецеидальной)?
@user-hp4rn9yl2d Жыл бұрын
I am impressed
@matinsakr65482 жыл бұрын
No comment. Super work
@dmitrys620110 ай бұрын
Качество изготовления потрясающее. Мне кажется, что подшипники на приводном червяке должны быть упорными, либо, как минимум, должны иметь крышки. Иначе высокий крутящий момент вырвет болт вместе с подшипниками. Еще, наверное, надо бы масляную ванну предусмотреть для смазки шестерен
@smarzony Жыл бұрын
it's beautiful, I love it
@3073Sean3 жыл бұрын
You just added a tool to my kit bag. Thank you!!
@YooProjects3 жыл бұрын
Wow.. Spectacular job mate 👍❤️😁
@johnconnell84362 жыл бұрын
That's so cool!!!
@steveforbes77184 ай бұрын
Most everything was well done. However, there is no way to adjust the backlash of the worm gear and worm wheel. It is very obvious that there is significant slope between them. This is detrimental to many applications. Being able to adjust that backlash is crucial to many applications of this technique. Also, it would be good to be able to predetermine what the exact ratio would be and how to determine the outside diameter of the two gears. Also required is the depth of the worm wheel recess. This is fine for crude things like lifting mechanisms and such but, not for when precision is reequired. Regardless, the video itself and the overall construction was well done.
@homemadetools3 жыл бұрын
Nice work! We posted this video on our homemade tools forum this week :)
@veikkoimmonen73002 жыл бұрын
Did you calculate the diameter for the worm face, or was it just luck that the teeth happened to mesh again after the full revolution?
@TheJefferson2 жыл бұрын
did this about 15 years ago to make hobbed gears for 3d printing, no need to cut out the minor diameter, the tap will do it. only difference you did it with a 20mm tap, I used a 3mm tap