I agree. It's all about marketing. If you are not very successful with whatever you are doing, trapping or something else, and someone markets something with a flashy name, and claims it will make you unbelievably successful.........you buy it. Snake oil salesmen really. The stuff I make, I test with my dogs. If they are curious, it will work. If they back off from it....it go's in the garbage.

Thanks! Yeah burnt hooves has a unique smell all it's own. I think canines check it out more out of curiosity than anything else.

I have been told bobcat meat makes the best coyote bait

You bet! nasty smelling stuff, but it works!

Hey what’s up North Country Off Grid betcha didn’t know I was a longtime trapper it’s fun man

Thanks! I sure will.

Thank you Josh!

Thank you! Pretty simple and lots of variations, but it works!

That sounds good. I've done similar with beaver meat, or the trimmings off beaver hides. One of the best wolf trappers I know uses deer meat like you describe. It makes sense when you think about it. Mostly they eat deer and elk.....not a lot of beaver on top of the mountain! I hope your season is going well. Good luck to you!

A lot of it is more complicated than this. This one is just a simple tainted meat bait. Mostly with easy to get ingredients.

Thank you! Give it a try!

I don't think so. I know a few Folks up the Pahsimeroi. Was Grandma Rose? I always liked Rose, she passed away a few years back.

I bet that would work good. In Idaho though, we can't have exposed, visible bait to keep from catching birds. Roasted and powdered deer hooves are in some of the recipes too. I use some store bought lures also, but mostly I make my own from different things.

Did I tell you the story of the time she came home and caught me using her meat grinder for making coyote bait out of mice? Needless to say, she wasn't thrilled with the idea........had to buy her a new meat grinder too!

Hahahaha that's hilarious! I can only imagine the trouble you were in! I can't imagine you thought you were gonna be able to clean up the smell after grinding up mice? Would Idaho consider a bare turtle shell bait? It's really just a bone. It's great for putting lure in there and keeping it out of the elements. It's a shame you couldn't use something like that.

Any animal parts. We can't even use feathers. One of my favorite sets is a dirt hole with a handful of feathers swirled inside and another handful over the trap in the snow. It's not legal in Idaho though.To be legal, we have to have the trap no closer than thirty feet from any exposed bait. I have gotten around that by saving old socks and filling them with bait. What is funny, is it is legal to use fake fur, but not the real thing. Sometimes it makes you wonder who thinks up these rules! Weathered and Sun bleached bones with no meat left on them are OK also. A turtle shell would have to be hard white from the weather. Mice are just meat.....I didn't figure it was all that bad.....she thought differently though! HA!

I did use a whitened turtle shell, but man those rules are strict! I trapped next to a carcass and I see why they don't allow something like that. I won't do it again, but to rule out feathers and such is crazy! Meat, bones, poop, intestines, diseases..they're just mice, no big deal haha. That's hilarious!

Same here. Once it freezes there is very little smell. Glycerin will keep it from freezing, but it still get's pretty thick. In really cold weather, I add a few drops of skunk to it.

I tried cat food and caught a damn skunk both times I used cat food

Thank you. The moose hoofs would work. I have at least one old recipe that calls for "burnt and powdered deer hooves"

I will try the moose hooves next season. Thank you so very much. Blessings!

Great! I'm glad it worked out!

Thank you. This is just a simple one, with easy to find ingredients. There are a lot of recipes out there, some are much more complicated.

You bet! That would probably be better than the hamburger.

I bet your catfish bait would catch coyotes too!

Muskrat Outdoors - Maybe, but that potion you were whipping up will have hyenas booking flights to Magee Airport.

Thank you. Trapping season is coming fast, I hope to be more prepared this year......I say that every year though!

Thanks for subbing! It's a simple concoction, but it works. Changing it doesn't hurt either. Any combination of meat, eggs, beaver castor, and a little skunk is good.

If you have trail cameras try baiting dirt holes and things with no trap at all this summer and see what the coyotes do ,and what their reaction is. I was thinking about hanging my traps up in the tree up in the woods about a week or so before season this next year and see if that makes any difference also. It could be they are still picking up smells in the back of my truck or exhaust fumes or something like that coming from the truck itself.

@@MuskratOutdoors I boiled my traps preseason and tried to switch wm out if I caught anything's with fresh boiled and waxed trap's.. but I had a couple spots where they came up to my sets and turned around and walked around them over and over ... And that was just the ones in soft terrains that I could see their tracks I don't have trail cams but I can see tracks anyhow.... And make somewhat of an educated guess as to what and how anything comes near them. Old timers didn't have any of these modern devices and they were quite successful ... A friend told me something that makes a lot of sense ,. Learn the old time tested ways cause they never fail,. Then go from there to see how convenient the modern technology is. So far my experience in trapping has brought out one major fault with modem technology. It never works in the mountains where I don't have reception and the batteries drain fast when used in them location But I'm just depending on a cheap cell phone for everything...

@@MuskratOutdoors honestly I've had zero luck with dirt holes here ... I know it's most trapper go to coyote set but I've found blind sets on trails to be most efficient.. and unfortunately most likely to catch or get kicked by deer or horses/burros

@@mazlosoutdooradventures8594 I've found that here too. I was going to ask if you had many other trappers in your area? It might be nothing to do with your traps at all. It could be that they have found other trapper's sets and are wary now. That's another advantage to making your own lure / bait. It won't smell like something someone else has tipped them off to.

@@MuskratOutdoors yes there's other trapper's around ?

No, horse hooves are much like our fingernails. They need trimmed about every month or two. The part you cut off looks about like a horseshoe when you are done. It's the trimmings I used.

Muskrat, My dogs were always at 100% attention when horse hooves where being trimmed !!

Mine too! They love 'em!

@Randy Bingham us to it was hard to separate them lol

I hope the critters think so too!

I thought Chris was complimenting my cooking when he said the same thing. Now, I'm suddenly worried about my cooking 😆

HA! That would worry me too!

Chris, are you any relation to Coy Gilliam in Texas?

I had a collection of trapping lure recipes I was selling through the mail. I'll have to look and see if I can find them....

It's thick like heavy cream. When it sours along with meat, it has a smell similar to horse meat......something coyotes like.

Thank you Gary!

Exactly! This bait/lure as well as others, can be made cheaply and works just fine. Too often we fall for marketing hype that convinces us we need some "Magic Lure" to catch whatever animal we are after. Most commercial lures/baits are good, but you can make your own that will work just as well.

thank you for your time from northwestern mi

They do. They have a very strange smell to them. You can cook them down like in this video, or soak them in water. The fine raspings soaked in water for several months in the sun have a strange smell that coyotes and other predators really like.

@@MuskratOutdoors good deal I like messing around with my own baits so I am pumped up to try gunna try the water and BBQ way think I remember reading tincture with vodka also ? To pull the smell thanks alot for replying hope all is well out there

It was not my idea. I have been collecting trapping lure recipes for a long time. Most have too many hard to find, or mail ordered ingredients. More than one recipe used roasted and powdered deer hooves. Horse,cattle,deer and elk hooves are all made from the same stuff our fingernails are made from, and I have to trim the horse hooves anyway, so I just used them.

I see, thanks! I'll share this way with my friends if you don't mind.

Yes! Please do! It takes quite awhile for the horse hooves to cook down all the way, but they kind of melt/burn into a powder. Poke a small air vent in the top of the foil to let gasses out also.

OK!

Yes. Wrap them in tin foil, poke a small hole in the top to let out the gasses and put in on the BBQ. Without air, they can't burn. They will turn to charcoal and be easy to crush into powder. When the smoke quits coming out of the hole, they are done, but you don't have to wait that long. Experiment with different amounts of burning. About half done has a lot of smell, but is harder to crush. Let me know how it works out!

I put hoofs in an old frying and put in outside wood stove for 1/2 hour

Yes. Poke a small hole in the foil to let out the fumes. They will charcoal somewhat, but they have plenty of smell.

How long does it typically take for the hooves to break down inside the aluminum foil on the grill?

@@mikeschiffmann3708 Not long at all. 5-10 minutes more or less? Probably closer to 5 minutes?

Would you be willing to ship a bag or two of your horse clippings. I will pay for any expense. I know its a crazy question but I am having a difficult time finding horse clippings around here.

@@mikeschiffmann3708 Sure can. I need to trim mine badly anyway. Please email me your address at muskrat14@hotmail.com

Depends on what you mean. Fat alone doesn't have a lot of smell. I use bacon grease a lot as a lure base, and add beaver castor or skunk to it. Other fats, like lard also work. If you have a dog, try making some, then rub it on a post in your yard or where you walk your dog. Don't let the dog see you do it, but watch how it reacts when, or if it finds the lure. If it shy's away, it's no good.....if it's interested and hangs around awhile, it will probably work!

What about sardines. do they work?

@@jarodbrenneman8661 Somewhat. As the only bait, they are good for raccoons, and can catch other predators, but they are better as a lure additive. I had fairly good luck with sardines and Limberger cheese mixed together.

@@MuskratOutdoors thanks

Thanks!

And do you add it with the eggs the first time or after it sits a week?

Canned milk. Liquid.

@@michaelmeyerjr1021 I add them together from the start, but variations are never a bad thing. Doing things different produces different smells and makes similar, but different lures/baits. Be sure to write down what you do as close to exact as possible. When you find one that really works well, you will want to be able to make it again. Lures and baits fall into 3 categories. Food, sex, or curiosity. Curiosity is probably the most common.

I have some old lure recipes that call for roasted and powdered deer , or horse hooves. It has a strange, strong smell that K9 critters like. Give it a try!

Thank you!

It's worse when they are burnt! Like burnt hair smell, only stronger!

@@MuskratOutdoors - yeah that what I mean. Hot shoe burning hoof to shape. It’s virtually (the shoe) red hot & applied under the hoof to burn it into shape. Old horse just stands they while farrier holds it & there’s smoke wafting around in the air.

For sure! I think beaver meat would be much better than the hamburger. Really, there isn't a whole lot of smell....until you open the jar to stir it. You could make some away from the house and be fine. I just saw a video about an even easier one. All it is is meat of some kind, (I used hamburger) and blue cheese salad dressing. I made up a jar of that two days ago to try it......wow, very unusual smell! I think it is going to work good!

You bet! As silly as it sounds, it works!

I used to, but my homemade concoctions do about as well as any I've bought. It's like anything else...marketing. It's easy for us to blame our equipment for lack of luck. Some "magic lure or product" that promises to work wonders will always sell. I own about 2 dozen predator calls...same thing! I've called more coyotes with my Dog's squeaky toy. I was big into gold prospecting a few years ago...lots of "magic" equipment to buy. None of it worked any better than anything else. You can't find what's not there...can't trap 'em either.

@@MuskratOutdoors that's exactly what I've found out with prospecting and trapping my self. I've read a few books and it's begining to seem like the ones who always were making the real money in the industries are were and have been the sells men.

@@mazlosoutdooradventures8594 Exactly! It's always been that way.

It does work. Since I made this batch, I've caught several coyotes, fox ,and pine marten using it. I also caught 3 wolves this season, but I used several things as well as this . I think what caught them was urine, dog poop, and tainted beef chunks aged in blue cheese dressing. HA! Really, lure/bait only works for 4 reasons, curiosity, territory, hunger, or sex. Gland lures work on sex mainly, urine and poop works on territory, meat or fish based lures hunger, the rest are more of a curiosity. In fact, all of them are. About anything that makes them think "What's that strange smell?" Will work. If you live in an area that has a lot of trappers, new and strange smells will work better than something they have smelled before and associate with danger.

It oughta work. If nothing else, as a curiosity scent.

Earth! HA! Idaho

I'll have to look and see what I have left, but sure. My email address is muskrat14@hotmail.com

Большое спасибо! Рад, что у вас есть, я тоже подпишусь на ваш! Удачи в этом сезоне.

It is! Not a rotten smell, but pretty darn sour!

HA! A kind of smelly, rotted meatloaf!