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Making tool holders - Overhauling the 7x12 minilathe -Episode 29

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RotarySMP

RotarySMP

Күн бұрын

A quick change tool post with only one tool holder is a bit limited. So lets make some more.
Using the CNC Converted MAHO MH 400E, the Clarkson MK 1 tool and cutter grinder, and the Tapmatic 70x to make 10 more tool holders for the mini-lathe.

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@7891ph
@7891ph 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who's fought it out in the trenches of US manufacturing, I envy you the luxury of tinkering around in your basement. Here in the State's, the pay rate for us in the skilled trades hasn't changed since the early 1970's.....
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 2 жыл бұрын
I realise that the car industry unions over reached and pretty much destroyed the viablity of the US auto industry and thus tainted organised labour, but it seems from afar that the pendulum has swung so far in the other direction, to US labour being treated like meat robots. To me it is strange that there is almost no movement for labour to reorganise in the US. Who else will fight for fair treatment in environments were workers are being exploited? Given the current shortage of labour, you will never have a better lever.
@7891ph
@7891ph 2 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP It's starting, but very slowly. Big businesses have way too much political clout, and have been getting their way for far to long. Amazon is a prime example.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 2 жыл бұрын
@@7891ph When you hear about having to pee in a bottle to meet the performance standards, while the owner needs rocketry to exercise his 150+ billion, you kind of wonder why many of the union drives fail in their wharehouses.
@624Dudley
@624Dudley 3 жыл бұрын
Hello RSMP, I’m moving up in my chronological binge-watching of the channel and really enjoying the content. Just had to comment on this one because, well, it’s the first time I’ve heard an irritated Frenchman say “bugger”. Amusing, really! We all know that machinery resists repair. It’s the Universe’s way of punishing Man for ever having invented the things. My dad had a phrase that summed up the situation: “It’s the innate cussedness of inanimate objects.”
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
Hey I like your Dad already. Wise man :) Nico is always irritated.
@TheKnacklersWorkshop
@TheKnacklersWorkshop 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, Good to see cutting fluid being used on the mill... I am always surprised how lots of people don't use it. Take care Paul,,
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
It is there, and I don't want to have to sharpen or buy end mills more than necessary, so I use it for everything except cast iron. Video's look more exciting without it though :)
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
@@Varnaj42 :)
@mike9500
@mike9500 21 күн бұрын
great work!!!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 17 күн бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@airgunningyup
@airgunningyup 4 жыл бұрын
i always thought it was a brood of tool holders.. learned something new.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
I wasn't sure it wasn't a pod or tool holders, but thanks for putting me right.
@mrspeaky6885
@mrspeaky6885 4 жыл бұрын
Welcom back to my favorite youtube show
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
Welcome indeed. Thnks for the kind words.
@nikond90ful1
@nikond90ful1 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. Good idea to using the holder as a fixture. keep safe and stay well.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Colin, you as well. I was happy how well the tool post worked as a fixture for this. Saved a lot of time.
@MakarovFox
@MakarovFox 3 жыл бұрын
agree having quick release tool holder is very practical
@txm100
@txm100 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't expect the grinder. Everybody else on youtube seems to have a metal bandsaw. But I would have done the same without one :D
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
The sad thing is I have a Do-All 16" bandsaw, but have to fix the gearbox to get the slow speeds. I covered it somewhere around eposide 12 I think. Thanks for watching.
@txm100
@txm100 3 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP Ah, that makes sense :) I just found you through your Maho conversion video. Keep up the great work!
@wilcojuffer5940
@wilcojuffer5940 3 жыл бұрын
nice job 👍👍😊
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@matthewroepke4644
@matthewroepke4644 4 жыл бұрын
Yeahhhh buddy!!! Grinder, mill, tool cutter, saw and not packing cylinders!!! This content is mucho bueno!!!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it.
@MakarovFox
@MakarovFox 3 жыл бұрын
one minute of silence for the drill
@rickpalechuk4411
@rickpalechuk4411 4 жыл бұрын
The shim idea sounds like a good fix. Thanks for sharing, Cheers
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
I was using shims on the worst ones while machining them as well. Two layers of beer can made quite a difference. Thanks for watching.
@NicoCarsAndCookies
@NicoCarsAndCookies 4 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP What about adding material (welding) and then remachine them to size?
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
@@NicoCarsAndCookies That would be polishing a turd. If I epoxy shims on correctly, I never need to think of them again.
@scotticus66
@scotticus66 3 жыл бұрын
Love your work holding solution
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. It seemed like the easiest way.
@argee55
@argee55 4 жыл бұрын
I really like your tool grinder.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
It is pretty cool. These things need a lot of acessories and consume a lot of time. But are fun to play with.
@claeswikberg8958
@claeswikberg8958 4 жыл бұрын
poor nico ;) i laughed so bad when the he asked the question about a tool to open up the gap and you said nope ;)
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
He needs this. :)
@robertallen9659
@robertallen9659 3 жыл бұрын
I had ptsd flashbacks to cutting seals back when I did automatic transmissions especially. Nico adds a welcome comedic relief and helps the channel bring that little something that gives it its own feel. Yet again I am a fan with or without Nico making an appearance. Keep sharing your tour.
@knowltek
@knowltek 3 жыл бұрын
Port band saw might be sweet buy at some point
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
Try. Although I have a 1957 16" Do-All bandsaw. But it has a defective gearbox I need to fix before I run it slowly enough to cut ferrous metals. Thanks for watching.
@Mimerneos
@Mimerneos 4 жыл бұрын
Noooo! Not the carrot holder!! :'(
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
You noticed. Shame Ididn't nail the focus there.
@kickinthegob
@kickinthegob 4 жыл бұрын
Nice to see a Clarkson tool and cutter grinder. I have a MK II myself but don't have the radius attachment.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
Hi.Th Clarksons are pretty cool. The friend who had it before me is a big beleiver in tracking down all possible accessory for every machine (and he had many). Shame he didn't get one of those air bearing flute grinding attachments as well.
@kickinthegob
@kickinthegob 4 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP You can get some aftermarket air bearing setups but they are pricey and they normally need regrinding or the seals changed. I'm in Norway so attachments of any kind are pretty hard to find here.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
@@kickinthegob I haven't actually tried flank grinding yet. It probably doesn't work as well with the guide bushings, but should still be better than a blunt end mill.
@kickinthegob
@kickinthegob 4 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP I have several mates who have Clarksons and they reckon it's no problem. Clarkson used their own grinders to sharpen their own endmills back in the day and they did it without air bearings so it will likely be down to practice and getting a feel for the pressure against the flute guide.
@MF175mp
@MF175mp 4 жыл бұрын
As a lazy-ass cheapskate myself, I don't do the secondary relief every time when regrinding an end mill end.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
I don't tool grind often enough to get good at it, and tend to take too heavy cuts, wiping out the original grind.
@TomChame
@TomChame 4 жыл бұрын
Very nice job, thanks.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the kind words.
@andresgodinho
@andresgodinho 4 жыл бұрын
Great video as always, you should have clamped the bar on the 4 corners or first in a vice to square it and then on the table! They are functional and that is what matters!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
i only own 2 clamping blocks ;( Good point though.
@andresgodinho
@andresgodinho 4 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP One of my first projects at home was to make 8 clamps and T nuts for my Anayak. I made them out of 1.2311 steel and then surface ground them at my work ahahah it's great to have Access to a surface Grinder!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
@@andresgodinho I would really like a surface grinder. I be I could make a whole bunch of new different screw ups with that machine. :)
@clypeum5063
@clypeum5063 4 жыл бұрын
@@andresgodinho lol i threw Mine on the shaper. Just a poor mechanical engineering Student though ^^ surfaces Grinder at Work Sounds fantastic!
@andresgodinho
@andresgodinho 4 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP the worst thing is if the part flies of into the darkness of space and you try to find it without success ahahah it happened to a coworker of mine, he didn't Turn on the magnetic table and shattered the grinding wheel along with it... He got to listen to our employer for a good 10 minutes!
@davers1610
@davers1610 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video. Would be very interested to get a few more videos on or with the tool grinder.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
Good idea. I am sure I'll get to them, but want to finish the min lathe first.
@davers1610
@davers1610 4 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP absolutely. Really enjoying the project. Makes me wonder why I haven't got round to finishing mine.. 😂
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
@@davers1610 Start a youtube channel. This has been very good for my focus on a single project rather than skipping between many.
@Mimerneos
@Mimerneos 4 жыл бұрын
Loving the episodes! Small suggestion: As a newer viewer, that cutaway to that other guy in the basement with the seals was a little confusing. I thought you were maybe trying to do some mocking accent, haha, and then I realized I was watching someone else. I think what would help is a little title card saying something like "Meanwhile in the basement with (this other guy's name)", or like a 10 second flashback to that one episode where you described all those things he dropped off at your place
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
Yep. I screwed up the edit there. I thougth I put in a scrolling text to introduce that Nico, our #1 fan,was back to work on thehydraulics.
@TrPrecisionMachining
@TrPrecisionMachining 4 жыл бұрын
buen video..gracias por tu tiempo
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
Gracias.
@Rustinox
@Rustinox 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, i just discovered your channel. I have to say that i really like your videos so i subscribed.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
Welcome. on board.
@alexkart9239
@alexkart9239 3 жыл бұрын
4:30 pressed in the middle by vises, so it's wider at the end
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
It was probably more down to me not taking the skin off both sides of the steel to relive those pressures first. Only doing one side meant the bar warped.
@shedtime_au
@shedtime_au 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a dozen for AU$80 off ebay. Seems like a good deal compared to making them.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
That is a really good deal.
@Thorhian
@Thorhian 3 жыл бұрын
Someone get this man a cold saw lol, or at least a decent band saw.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
I have a 16" Do-All, which is a pretty decent band saw :) But it has a damaged gearbox, so I can currently only use it in High range, where is too fast to cut ferrous metals. Fixing that is a project to follow this one.
@Thorhian
@Thorhian 3 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP Oh awesome! BTW, your MAHO and the lathe are looking great. I'm just starting to get to the last 20-30% of my milling machine and it is terrible since I'm back in uni again lol. So much time needed, not a lot to give ATM. Good luck!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
@@Thorhian I struggle to make progress on my projects all the time.
@sparkiekosten5902
@sparkiekosten5902 4 жыл бұрын
I would not have that grinder myself!....It's a Quitta....It will just give up halfway through the job....LOL Keep up the good work!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
It is weird to jump between the MAHO, where you are constantly working with numbers, to the clarkson, which doesn#t even have scales on the feed.
@DPTech_workroom
@DPTech_workroom 4 жыл бұрын
Next episode - Setting Up Tool Table In LinuxCNC.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
Getting there. Patience :)
@DPTech_workroom
@DPTech_workroom 4 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP ok! I already figured it out, but interestig, how will you do. 😉
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
@@DPTech_workroom Poorly I suspect. I started mucking around with this last night.
@schwellenzaehler4564
@schwellenzaehler4564 3 жыл бұрын
Hmmm, you have a band saw and cut the tool holders with, in my mind, a to small angle grinder ? Is the cutting speed of your band saw , m/s to high for metal ?
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. The gearbox of the band saw is damaged, and I only have the high range of speeds until I fix it. I talked about this back in an earlier episode of the series.
@henri1511
@henri1511 3 жыл бұрын
4:40 ...... nope, it's because you have it tight in the vise.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
Nah, the slot was still too wide when not in the vise. I have since been told by real machinists that I should have skimmed both side to take off the skin, as taking only one side made for unbalanced stresses in the stock.
@billmcleangunsmith
@billmcleangunsmith 3 жыл бұрын
Dude needs a band saw.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
Dude needs tofix the gearbox on the Do-All to be able to use low band speeds :) I think I covered that at around episode 15 or so. Thanks for watching.
@brendanbarbour8568
@brendanbarbour8568 3 жыл бұрын
Hi There, I'm coming to your channel relatively recently and enjoying the content greatly as I catch up (binge) watch the videos. I have a mini lathe also, which is similar, or rather was initially, similar to yours. I recently acquired it and it has seen very little use up to this point. I've begun a tare-down and inspection and I'm contemplating a CNC conversion, which is why I'm so interested in your project. Very impressive, really top content and skills. I'm a complete novice when it comes to machining, but I'm stuck with trying to fit a quick change tool post, as I have no riser to mount the post to the cross slide. Did you make the riser yourself, or can they be bought online. I don't feel confident of my skill levels to make one myself, although I'm practicing...!! Keep up the great work...I'm hooked...
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
I started off with only that mini lathe. No drll press, no mill. I made my first two risers on the mini lathe. Only the last one got made on the mill. They dont need to be fancy. Thanks for watching.
@UberAlphaSirus
@UberAlphaSirus 4 жыл бұрын
Bootiful.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@DanielHeineck
@DanielHeineck 4 жыл бұрын
I suppose you don't need to use rulon/turcite type products as your shim as this isn't a sliding surface. Little epoxy on some thin sheet steel or brass shim stock? Just gotta make sure nothing comes out of square in the process. Nice work!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
THat is the plan. I just checked it out with my 0.3mm shim stock, and it looks about right.
@archerry6457
@archerry6457 3 жыл бұрын
A bloke massacring the English language. And an Italian too. 😉 only joking. Great series. 👍
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you like it.
@dizzolve
@dizzolve 2 жыл бұрын
what is the base material
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 2 жыл бұрын
Scrapbinium. In this case probably just a low carbon mild steel.
@ihateemael
@ihateemael 4 жыл бұрын
whenever I drop my drill I always break whatever's in the chuck. Just to be consistent.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
I got lucky this time.
@Mtaalas
@Mtaalas 3 жыл бұрын
Why use approximators for measuring a dovetail that's at least supposed to be somewhat accurate... no? :D
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
That is the way I had learnt to measure dovetails. What method would you use?
@hedning003
@hedning003 3 жыл бұрын
waiting for a quickchange set..this is definitly something i will make..is it 60 degrees dovetail-cutter?
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, its a 60° cutter. I should have been more careful of the clamping, and also machined both sides to release the internal tension.
@hedning003
@hedning003 3 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP noted,i will make sure to do so
@waldemarii
@waldemarii 4 жыл бұрын
Face on dove tail side? I would imagine that face is what makes contact with the tool post and also affects to position of the locking leaver. You should face it when making dove tails?
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
I just lapped those faces with sandpaper on flat surface.
@waldemarii
@waldemarii 4 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP Ahaa.. ok :DI personally would face it with endmill.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
@@waldemarii That would have been the smarter move. Becasue the bar was already at nominal thickness, I didn't want to waste thickness. Really I was to lazy to dick around with moving clamps. A couple of bad decisions. Should have bought larger material, and surfaced it.
@mike9500
@mike9500 21 күн бұрын
from 7:35 to 9:15 somehow someone else's stream got meshed into yours. you may have to redo yours.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 17 күн бұрын
That is also from me. It shows our #1 fan Nico doing some hydraulic cylinder work. I must have screwed up something in the edit there. Weird that it was never pointed out before. Shows how random my videos are, people expect it :)
@mike9500
@mike9500 17 күн бұрын
@@RotarySMP haha, it's ok, i love watching!
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 17 күн бұрын
@@mike9500 Thanks Mike. I think I got a little better a smoothing some of the most jarring transitions since then :)
@jesseservice7828
@jesseservice7828 4 жыл бұрын
Muito bom !
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching.
@chrisrhodes5464
@chrisrhodes5464 4 жыл бұрын
Yes warming the seal up does help you can do it by placing team in a glass of water and nuke them in the microwave for a minute
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
Good to know, but I don't own a microwave, and dont what to encourage Nico, you never know stray he would bring in next :)
@chrisrhodes5464
@chrisrhodes5464 4 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP in the meantime you can boil some water and drop the seal in the water to warm it up
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
@@chrisrhodes5464 Good to know. Thanks.
@trahtrebor
@trahtrebor 3 жыл бұрын
I've been farting a round with one of these lathes myself and I've enjoyed your channel probably the best. Thanks for the info. One question. The auto tap had the tap wobbling around. Is that normal? I
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for joining in. Yes the tap matic allows the tap to float, and align to the hole. Not necessary for this machine, but they can also be used on a drill press.
@LunchThyme
@LunchThyme 3 жыл бұрын
What's the point owning thousands of dollars worth of tools if you can't spend two dozen hours saving 80 bucks.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, a hobby ... they best way of making the least output with the greatest input of time and money :)
@rodfrey
@rodfrey 3 жыл бұрын
9:17 -- "Nnnnnnnn... No." 😁
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
UNfortunately....yes.
@joell439
@joell439 4 жыл бұрын
👍😊👍
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks.
@GavinM161
@GavinM161 4 жыл бұрын
But you have a bandsaw...
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
It has gearbox damage, so I can't use the low speeds necessary to cut steel. Thanks for watching. I did a bit on that back around episode 15 or so.
@TommiHonkonen
@TommiHonkonen 4 жыл бұрын
my thinking is there is no point in making if it can be bought for 10 currency units
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
I did consider buying, but then I''dhave no content for you, and the 3,7mm lower flange on the bought ones looks too flexible to me.
@MF175mp
@MF175mp 4 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP you should've made at least 30 or you'll run out of them at some point, but of course you can add the chinese ones on top if you ever need more.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
@@MF175mp The X travel on the Maho is only 400mm, so this was the longest stick of steel I could start with, but you are right, if I'd put in a little more effort to repeat the first ops, once cut into individual holders It would have been more efficent to have made more. I think I have 19 AXA sized for the Boley, and that is only nearly enough.
@MakarovFox
@MakarovFox 3 жыл бұрын
no!! the cool screw is dead
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
It took one for the team.
@MakarovFox
@MakarovFox 3 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP it will be remember for is sacrifice
@gangleweed
@gangleweed 4 жыл бұрын
What a weird machining sequence........I had to stop watching near the end as it was getting to me.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 4 жыл бұрын
How would you have done it?
@gangleweed
@gangleweed 3 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP Well, first of all I would have cleaned up all the faces by first machining them true and square. The next thing I would have machined the dovetail using the tool post as a reference to ensure it almost locked on the post with the wedge at the top of it's travel..... this will ensure you can clean up the tool holders on the outside face of the dovetail.....you cannot measure the internal fit of the dovetail by using 2 rollers between the vees as is used for other methods as the tool holder fits against the outside of the dovertail face and between the fixed jaw and the moving wedge...... the bottom of the dovetail face is clear so does not give you a face you can measure from.......check this out with a feeler gauge and you will see what I mean. Finally cut the tool holders off to length ......NOT WITH A F##KING ANGLE GRINDER......this is a hack merchant's way of doing things, then machine the outside face of the dovetail to get the fit with the wedge tight and half way down. If you attempt to replicate the tool holders by measuring between the dovetails with 2 rollers from another tool holder you will not get a good result.......it is very difficult with this dovetail design for a fit to get a size that means anything..........so final fitting by trial and error machining of the outside dovetail face is the only way that is guaranteed to work.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
@@gangleweed Thanks for that. I made a number of mistakes and bad decisions on those. Will keep learning.
@gangleweed
@gangleweed 3 жыл бұрын
@@RotarySMP I am actually in the same boat as regards to the same type of tool holders that do not clamp tight...... I bought the tool post on Ebay cheap and sourced plain tool holders separately from a different seller then added some more tool holders from a different seller again....cost advantage etc.....in the mix 2 tool holders were totally loose.....the seller offered me a $12 refund and I keep the holders. So now I have a choice....sell them on and have the same problem of a return etc, or attempt to "rework" the holders by some devilishly clever engineering. I'm just getting back into a Tig capability again so I will attempt to weld a coating of steel or bronze onto the outer faces of the tool holder dovetail and then machine it down as that is the only way to increase the gripping effect on this design. There is another way but more costly and that is to get the clamping faces of the tool holders hard chrome plated then ground down again......not very cost effective. If you insert two .020" brass shims between the faces of the outer dovetail and the clamp face of the tool post it will clamp up tight, but you would have to glue them on or braze them etc.....not very sophisticated.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 3 жыл бұрын
@@gangleweed That is basically my plan. Epoxy a shim to one side. Half of mine came out okay..ish, but the ones at the end of the bar are too loose. For the AXA sized QCTP on the Boley, I have 19 tool holders from Phase II, Shars, and Ali, and all fit perfectly.
@robertbutler8004
@robertbutler8004 2 жыл бұрын
It was interesting up until you carried on with the childish gibbering.
@RotarySMP
@RotarySMP 2 жыл бұрын
I got over that.
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