You dare insult me? Go sit in the "time out" chair!"

Malcador always the fool, he had no clue what big E was up to

no @#$%^!!!!!!!

@@alexwest2514 **sits on the golden throne and fucking dies**

Hear me out. What if Emp's miscalculated because he made an error in converting from metric to Imperial?

Just like a certain Mollusk.

Arhiman would concur

😂

Tzeench would relate

I request elaboration

@@eoctv4896 It means we have no idea how much of what Malcador says is the truth here, it could be almost all true, mostly true, half, or all lies. As far as I'm concerned we really learn nothing new from this story.

@@Kalicer I respectfully disagree, too much of what he says aligns exactly with what has been theorized, that much of the rebellion was intended by the emperor. I think the big issue, is that the emperor didnt account for JUST how extreme the rebellion would be in scale and scope.

@@elkpants1280 It is known that he didn't account for chaos infecting the primarchs specifically. Everything here has already been confirmed in some way or another.

If that's the last line, whats to stop us from taking that everything he told her was a lie to spare her sorrow? 🤔

Later,gman and lion be back Tzeench,finaly puts 2 and 2 together:...oh fuck.

This is canon now

@@lolbots686fabious Clones Curze Loyalist Curze Gman and Lion: oh… welcome back brother. Here are the restraining orders. Tzz: Slaanesh is on on this to??? Slaan: no, Bile just traded a Curze for one of Cawls dataslates. New Men: chaos, we don’t see any reason to use it. Tzz: Was this a part of Mal’s plan? Magnus help the New Men join chaos, you wanted to show people the light, right? A few weeks later. Magnus: i helped… Tzz: so are they joining literally anything chaos? Bile: wow Magnus really ingrained to them that the warp is just the mind reflecting itself into them. Wow i couldn’t wish for any other assistant. He even helped me make the primarchs for my new men.

Indeed they are

@@greywakez And add Emma Gregory to the female cast an it's perfect.

Beth Chalmers and Steven Colin are worth their weight in gold as well.

Gareth Armstrong is among the good ones too

@@Jmassey95 ehhh i almost thought he sunk the blood angels books I've heard bc i found him rather single toned and inflexible, though I respect your like for him

By the Emperor I hope you're right, but holy halls of Terra who ever is comforted by the idea that the Emperor was planning the Heresy is Insane

@@trialnerror3643 he was planning to get ride of space marines, and he knew that Chaos gods would cause something like Horus Heresy, but he did not know exactly what will happen. He had his suspicious, like which primarch was gonna turn, but come on, he was playing a game of 4 dimensional chess with an actual god of fate. Fall of Magnus and Fulgrim was never in the plan, and the destruction of the WebWay portal caused the entire plan to went to shit. The plan, in summary, was to reconquer the galaxy, unite humankind, gather the best stuff, remove the gene warriors (and few trillion humans by the way), and leave the material world to settle in thw Human Version of Cammoragh away from thw chaos god’s influence. The plan was just too fucking stupid to work.

Typical government, send your troops out to do all the dirty work then throw them aside-hello America (and UK).

@@jprp999 To be fair, WW2 Russia and China are probably better comparisons when it comes to disreguard for civillian and military lives.

But still, big E is a prick and a horrible father. Just ask Angron, Lorgar ore Mortarion

Yes, but I don't believe for a second that the REAL Malcador said any of this.

@@Jagonath Are you saying it's a deceiver of some kind or that this isn't canon?

@@Jagonath This is in fact the real Malcador

Angron - with the nails in his head Lorgar - always focused on belief, something Emperor wanted to eradicate Sanguinius - constantly battling with inner rage Horus - with his ego surprisingly crumbly(remember his jealousy when Russ was found) And probably to E's great surprise - Perturabo, when he turned for lack of appreciation. The rest performed their purposes well... until some time:P

@@Beriatan I mean, this videos says they were all intentionally pitted against eachother so it sounds like even those ones were controlled, just that they didn't know it.

That is the point of it. He's merely trying to comfort her before she passes away. But, the Emperor did know some of them would turn traitor though

I don't know if the Emperor "knew" knew, but I am sure that he had forseen such an eventuality. I for instance don't think that he for a second thought that Horus would betray him, but he probably saw Angron coming from a mile away.

@@1701Emperor lol, my 6 year old nephew said "he's gonna be a bad guy" when he first saw angron, SOOOOOOO I'm guessing the m****** f****** emperor had a hunch

@@patrickdwyer320 Lol this made my morning

They loved the primarchs but still used them and underestimated chaos empowering them and didn’t foresee some like fulgrim falling or the khan being loyal or the heresys early arrival but some were destined to die no matter how much they wished otherwise.

Same

Alpha Legion is following the Emperor's plan for both sides to kill each other, they're probably manipulating the other chaos marines into making foolish attacks with high casualty rates they normally wouldn't consider making.

@No One yes, but also no

@@minecrafter8589 They are loyalist, it's just their functions for the grand plan as a whole is to perpetuate the war into unabated stalemate unless there's great factor outside Chaos, Materium factions or even The Warp jumping in (such as 4th wall breaks that actually threatens Games Workshop itself), so yeah, Alpha Legion is loyalist in the sense that it's causes Imperium to keep fighting in their own twisted ways Oh they also adding fuel to Tzeentch's fiery plans too all while also wounding Tzeentch's monopoly of Fateseering in The Warp, considering the current loyalist Alpharius can only manages so much at controlling the Chaos-aligned portion of his surviving legion to this day (hence the confusion from the fandom of whether Alpharius is loyalist or not, which he is, instead Omegon was the one that got into Chaos then killed by Rogal Dorn), all while Alpharius himself is already trained, conditioned and guided by Malcador years before Horus was even found by The Emperor for the first time

@@ohamatchhams Dorn killed Alpharius on Pluto in Praetorian of Dorn. Alpharius was the traitor and Omegon was the Loyalist. Alpharius is 100% dead (He exploded in a flash of light like Ferus did when he died), Omegon is assumed to have been killed by Guilliman, but apparently the inquisitor who wrote that report was an Alpha Legion spy so he could still be alive. I seriously don't understand why people keep saying Omegon was the one killed by Dorn when there is literally story of Omegon (from Omegons perspective) waking up in a cold sweat and he knows Alpharius is dead.

@@namenull7399 Bold of you to assume that Omegron would know if he was actually secretly Alpharius.

Other fandoms be like “but the good guy said so, it has to be true, right”, only for warhammer to go “YOUR HERO IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR”

Should it? Let's look big-picture here. First, you have to accept that the established principle that the Emperor is an insanely powerful psyker that is tens of thousands of years old with a good understanding of the workings of the warp and Malcador is at least a few thousand years old with a similar understanding of the warp. In this scenario, they know and understand that as long as humans have souls, you are *_NEVER_* going to get rid of the warp or the chaos gods. The Web Way project was *_NEVER_* going to starve the warp or beat the chaos gods, it was just going to be a method of transit other than "driver through literal hell to deliver boxes of cereal", if he was indeed presenting at face value. Now, based on that understanding what purpose is there for an eons-old super-psyker creating a cult of personality around himself? To gain worship. As an incredibly powerful psyker, he'd have a huge soul-presence in the warp as it is, so getting trillions of people to give their devotion to "The Emperor, beloved by all" you begin to manifest that devotion and belief in the warp as their emotions are directed towards you. When billions of human and xenos die year in and year out in brutal conflict "for the Imperium" but also "for the Emperor" some of that emotion manifests your direction. Now, when the plan is almost done, and everything is in place to begin the process of your slow-but-sure ascension, you don't want to rely on a low-key and luke-warm resentment and distrust by "de-militarizing" your mighty, awe-inspiring ubermen armies and your demigod sons...create a civil war that will cause horror, fear, and rage, most strong emotions directed towards you in a universe that has already seen the super-convenient memetic-creep of the Lecticio Divinatatus so all those billions of civilians dying in crippling fear are muttering "the emperor protects", sending all that emotional resonance your way. The proverbial "shoe" in this franchise will drop when it's finally revealed the Emperor *_WAS_* in fact trying to become a god all along, and that the reason Lorgar got in trouble was because he was saying the quite part, loud.

Good idea but you’re giving games workshop too much creative credit for coming up with that

you still alive yo?

@@GentlemanBystander To this day I’m convinced Big E made only one mistake in his plan: Thinking he could fail an any capacity. He either thought his webway wall could withstand an empowered Magnus, or perhaps much more sinisterly, he knew Magnus would break it, and thought he could kill Horus without injury. If it’s the former, the Emperor wanted to slowly strip the Chaos gods of power by creating peace after his crusades and civil war. If it was the Latter, then as you say, he always intended to be worshipped as a god. No other being could handle the energy of the golden throne, and he would still end up sitting there for thousands of years, protecting and guiding a mankind that worships him. Uninjured, he would have enough strength to still give orders and not devour psychers on a daily basis.

While there is no lore on them, they probably were the first to rebel, or deny the Emperor. They did something that the Emperor deemed purge worthy. Knowing that Chaos didn't got them, and Angron wasn't purged instantly for denying him, it was possibly something worse. And no, I didn't think of furries. Those two sons however, killed an exceptional amount of Astarte. Meaning that with the size of the war, and their Empire, them having no Astarte, it's possible that they had Dark Age of Tech level technology, and knew too much of the Emperor, being too much of a risk to all of his plans. That tech means they were immune to chaos. But also that they could possibly deny the Emperor, brake his plan, or share information that could illegitimate him, both before his sons and the Imperium. As Angron had no chance of causing much damage to Emps, and no meaning behind denying the Emps. But a Primarch like Sanguinus, denying the Emps, and actually picking a fight with him, while having some better tech, could easily mean both the end of the Emps, and the Imperium.

@@Kareszkoma there is a little lore. no specifics but one did start a rebelion before horus and was killed by leman russ and the other was considered a failure do to some unknown mutations and was stripped of his postion and banished while the rest of both the armies where put into suicide squads or mixed into other primarch armies . there is a bit more but its really speculations.

@@deadbeats5640 Wait.. the other was Banished? What?! I thought they were both killed? Was that just a slip of the tongue?

@@Kareszkomayea I was wrong he was executed not banished. I also found out that horus has the intact body of the XI primarch. He never did anything with it thou.

@@deadbeats5640 He does?! What?!

Everything triggers them nowadays though, they ve shitting the bed a lot recently

hit 41,125 so close to the end of the indomitus crusade

Do upload more please

@@therealnoodledog6660 Next one will be quite heretical

@@leechristian6543 Then why is everything still up and available?

Well there were still not that much of them comparing to the wastness of the empire. Plus there is always an enemy at the door. On top of that take for example Ultramarines, they can be capable governors.

It would be so akward to exterminate the Space Marines, just for the Necrons to awaken and Tyrannids to arrive.

and top of that Some of the Primarchs would never allow to Purge their Sons Namely Vulkan he loves them

Why? Adeptus Astartes are powerfull there will always be rebelions in imperium,chaos has always unlimited hordes of demons also orks are many in numbers and heretics will always come to. Yes they can be tools but except of thunder warriors all Astartes can live they not roting alive and also they are not merciless murders so even if they are tools this not will be tools to be salvaged but to keep .And at the end emperor is not an idiot he is aware of fact conquered galaxy is safe only untill someone else will conquer it peace is temporary even in reality in 40k peace is joke he always will need his soldiers now there is nothing better than them and even if they start produce better soldiers than astartes they will still be needed for imperium cause they can fight untill new forces being trained in optimal numbers and even after Astartes still can fight until they all die on battlefield

The Iron warriors can die from old age, the Hrud proved that. and Dante is only 1400. So maybe good old Faboulos Bill was not lying this time.

Just as Abraham loved Isaac

Yeah if father let his son almost beat him to death by hammer (even through he can destroy him without any problem as we see after death of that human soldier which jump between them) and then being forced on golden throne in coma so he cant move and heal himself just because he dont want kill his son its exactly what father which see his sons as tool do when his tool start rebeling seriously what he get from that to benefit him how benefit him fact his son almost kill him and why he let him to almost kill him if its not even benefit him seriously theory about emperor not like his sons is trash and fact he sitting on throne dying its evidence

@@silverbladeofnorth7345 I mean the emperor also went out of his way too save ferrus' soul

Im sure after 30000 years of existence, he's numb to all emotions.

@@Eldor-117 actually no he called them his sons before they were born

this may be true however keep in mind his final words I lie to them to spare them their sorrow

If they were gunna be 9v9 and two were meant to be loyal then which loyalists were supposed to be traitors?

@@connorchenery977 magnus was supposed to be a loyalist, so was fulgrim, alternatively russ was unexpected not to fall

I think Malcador was comforting his dying friend by saying that the Emperor planned this, implying thereafter that the Heresy was a complete accident, and was just the Emperor being emotionally unintelligent and lacking a solid perception of details or implications, both of which are human flaws and nale sense for a man with as much vision and drive as Big E. He clearly loved Horus and Magnus at the very least, and people like Dorn or Guilliman were too useful and loyal to be cast aside, for example.

It is probably not true. Culling the Astarte does not make sense, as they could be easily destroyed during a waaagh and the Emps already purged two Primarchs. In case of Thunder Warriors, it made more sense. Those guys were Custode level of threat. Heavily armored, unstoppable, and could stomp orcs and fight in a way, that would make the orcs jealous. They fought techno barbarians, and their numbers didn't drop significantly. Also, Emps started loving their Sons. Like genuinely love them. Same in case of Malcador. Every Empire need a second age, like Rome had. Maybe Emps planned it that way, but it was not the action planned during the crusade. Something went wrong, and went wrong pretty badly. And but Also, most importantly. If the Lion or Sanguinius would've joined chaos, everything would've been over. Sanguinius was just moments from joining Khorne. That man, would've been nigh unstoppable. It is unsure, if all Primarchs could or could've not been tainted. Some, are just harder than others. Dorn, and Corvus probably uncorruptable. But that doesn't mean all. If any of the more combat significant Primarch, like the Khan, would've joined the rebellion, it would've been game over. No coming back. And Primarchs, can be corrupted through other means, like items, like how Fulgrim was corrupted.

I think it's probably Khan, even the Emperor couldn't read him. And his reason for staying loyal is entirely pragmatic.

@@aclock2 and probably russ was supposed to turn.

my guesses would be lion and ferrus (one of which did infact die) also im surprised emperor didn't want perterabo on his side knowing how least chaos the guy was like he hated concepts of religion and gods and such you would think he would never join chaos

@@HellishSpoon He might have wanted him instead of Dorn but then thats just such an unlikely theory

@@aclock2 im not sure about that i can definitly see him wanting to get rid of el lion and guilliman though (not cuz im some guilliman hater)

It should be on audible yes, but I bought it right off the black library site. And yes it was all recorded together for this one audiobook

@@greywakez Awesome, thank you very kindly for your reply. The Emperor Protects.

I have Stone and iron and I'd upload it if I could

@@greywakez Best not to endanger your channel and monetization mate, GW is on the warpath with copyright, what they can't coerce into compliance they destroy.

Yeah fuck supporting GW. They hate their fans and they hate good content from their IP. Don’t give them a cent

Don't worry, it's only half true lol

The Emperor protects.

@@jackmyers8687 Fuck the Emperor.

@@greywakez What do yoy mean half true?

@@JIMT412 The emperor didn't want a full on war, he only knew some of his son's would turn against him. He also didn't expect them to go to chaos

It wasent planned at all, its quite literally in this story right after where the video cuts off that Malcador rages at the fact he has to lie to a dying friend to comfort them in their last minutes

Yep, what the guy above said, this clip is literally modern news network in a nutshell, cutting things out of context and calling it gospel.

@@HalIOfFamer INN - Imperium News Network

@@greywakez yep

Indeed. They had a live action show planned but my hopes are honestly low for it

@@greywakez in this age anything "live action" is just pure trash

@@uberfeel GW can't even get animation done correctly lol anything live action from them will be beneath trash

I think they are right to be wary in this day and age.

I'm at 50/50 with your statement.

@@christopherholmes7324 how so?

@@jasonbrynn5633 I understand what you're saying truly! Still at the same time I would prefer that The Emperor didn't die(unless it makes total sense)cause the entire imperium is in dire need.

I think its more the Emperor had to pick Horace. Because he was not the best candidate because had he picked certain other candidates they would have been more popular, and that would mean that if they turned against him. For any number of reasons including simple things like them not believing in the emperors vision. Then said popular warmaster could easily usurp him without so much as a battle.

To be fair it may have partially been Horus' doing, from the moment he allowed himself to fall to chaos on Davin, to the Siege of Terra. He was the Emperor's favorite son of all the primarchs. Remember, he got Godbreaker (a weapon allegedly crafted personally by the Emperor) and was given the rank of Warmaster. How did Horus take all this? Well, we all know what happened.

To add to this, ten thousand years of sitting as a skeletal corpse on a varley functioning throne powered by sacrifices sounds like it would drive anyone even the Big E to some degree of of insanity. He may have loved them once, but I think he's lost that love now.

@Twisted Cogitamentum I would preffer that interpretation, but guilliman seemed to gain the impression that that was how he had always truly been. Idk though, i still hold on to the "human" emperor in my mind

I have a personal theory that the Emperor was essentially just telling Guilliman that because he knew it would motivate him to save the Imperium. Emps knew that, like himself, Guilliman prioritized the safety of the Imperium and its ideals over individual relationships, and though the Emperor genuinely did love Guilliman, he trashed the relationship so Guilliman would have no ties left to the corpse-Emperor - only to the people.

@@Pyxis10 yeah, at that point our beloved man-emperor had a psychic car battery hooked up to his balls for 10,000 years. If my son came up to me after that asking to play i’d be a little bit of a dick too.

Malcador, First Lord of the Imperium. Good book

I sadly don't know the sound effect name

Go for it!

@@greywakez thanks chief :>

😊

@Adolf Hipster Oh yes hehe

*Malcador the Monster.* *The Emperor of Ahnihilation.*

That's space wolves for ya. Very traditional lol

@@greywakez Ye i wouldnt be surprised for such high death rates

Mhmm that art style HIT DIFFERENT

@@greywakez it does ! Feels like the 80s.

It's a theory for sure. Why did the Emperor prepare the Golden throne to absorb psykers by the millions? To sustain himself in the future? Knowing he is the only capable psyker that can do the job.

@@Stylenwavin it was intended for magnus

@@luigijacoposantamaria7367 was that canon?

@@Stylenwavin if i don't recall bad in "fury of magnus" the emperor says it to Mag

It'd actually make me more sick lmao

@@greywakez yeah, if someone is comforted by this, there are problems

​@@lucaannunziata6503 I guess it implies they already have a plan to deal with each and every one of them instead of something completely unexpected l.

​@@lucaannunziata6503 I guess it implies they already have a plan to deal with each and every one of them instead of something completely unexpected.

We made the Salamanders to be a Police force of the future imperium. They fuking love humans and even live with teir families. Vulkan is imortal to comand tem in this new world.

@@ThiagoOliveira-yk5sy Im inclined to agree with this take. Some astartes were designed to be more ruthless, aggressive, and disposable than others. The Salamanders are the perfect impartial judge. Fair almost to a fault, and loving of humanity. Willing to defend it at any cost. They perhaps are not the best chapter to call up to purge a system in the case of heresy or xenos infection. Better something like the blood angels or black templars.

He's talking to his friend, Sibel Niasta, on her deathbed

@@greywakez Who's that?

@@ronanchristiana.belleza9270 if i recoll corectly one of the perpetuals that was ther with emps and malcador for along time that give off her essenc to heal malcador from his death wounds after meeting magnus when they tolled him they yeeted shard of his soul to one of his sons but not sure way to many faces in WH40k to recall them all

@@krzysiekknop4414 Thanks, i've tried to Read her in the Lore but Sadly there is none thanks for the Information by the way

First lord of the Imperium audiobook

This sounds like bringing the Lion down rather than up, it's basically like saying that his loyalty was baked into him rather than a choice. You're making him look weaker rather than stronger.

Yepp

First lord of the Imperium audiobook

Nah. Always good to start the Horus Heresy with Horus Rising.

Thanks!

@@chezlonian No problem