Malcolm Guite - Lifting the Veil, and Keeping the Flowering Thorn

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Malcolm Guite - Lifting the Veil, and Keeping the Flowering Thorn

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2 жыл бұрын

In this episode I am joined again by the poet-priest-scholar Malcolm Guite for a wonderful wide discussion about imagination, Christianity, the relative success of Britain's blending of Christian and pagan stories in contrast with the 'missed opportunity' (so far) in the Americas, and finally, the intoxicating world of King Arthur.
Contents
00:29 - Introduction
02:53 - Malcolm's new book “Lifting the Veil - Imagination and the Kingdom of God"
03:41 - The imagination as “a truth-bearing faculty”
18:56 - Pondering the 'emergence/emanation' framework of Vervaeke, VanderKlay, Pageau, and...Shakespeare?
25:10 - Christ and the artistic, moral, and prophetic imagination
38:04 - The reassuringly honest depiction of bewilderment of the disciples in the gospels
43:24 - 'Credo ut intellegam: I believe in order to understand'
50:19 - A brief intermission to pour scotch
51:23 - Contrasting the appealing fusion of the Christian and pagan in Britain with a missed opportunity in the Americas
1:14:34 - Malcolm shares his love of the King Arthur stories, the legend which can't be hacked down
1:27:01 - How does a poet continue the tradition of adding to the Arthurian storytelling today?
Malcolm's new book:
www.squarehalobooks.com/lifti...
His blog:
malcolmguite.wordpress.com/blog/
His KZfaq Channel:
/ @malcolmguitespell
More links to poems and other things mentioned in this conversation here on TheCommonToad site:
www.thecommontoad.com/single-...

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@micheleshave323 4 ай бұрын

I love the way Malcolm explains things. Thank you so much for having him 🙏🕊

@thesecondlawandthetowerhou6026 2 жыл бұрын

I attended a First Nations pow-wow in Ontario years ago and I remember distinctly the sense of deep respect and awe created by the elder when he asked us all to stand as the sweet grass was burnt to create the beginning of the ceremony. It was the holiest memory of my life. Another man inquired into my well-being. He sounded like the great depths of the eternal.

@adriagutierrez5616 6 ай бұрын

Yes yes..Rupert and his ideas are finally, now, being recognized and accepted!! All such wonderful minds, coming together…and we are able to share and learn from you! Thank you

@grailcountry 2 жыл бұрын

I will definitely be watching this.

@mourningtheology3893 2 жыл бұрын

It is freaking me out how much that Isthmus idea is coming up in my own mind and in things I heard and read lately. It's so true! We are in between! And the in-betweenness is kind of a fundamental aspect of our existence.

@thesecondlawandthetowerhou6026 2 жыл бұрын

Dr Iain McGilchrist’s book, The Master and His Emissary, nails this fundamental reality. Because Dr McGilchrist immersed himself in both literary and scientific knowledge, the book reads as an intricate dance of the creation of the good. It is mind-blowing, in the truest sense.

@matthewstokes1608 Жыл бұрын

Yes, amazing work!

@grailcountry 2 жыл бұрын

58:43 So Malcom is revisiting the Grail ... Man do I need to talk to him. Fantastic conversation btw. How the heck do you only have 70 subs and how is does this only have 50 views? Boggles my mind.

@thesecondlawandthetowerhou6026 2 жыл бұрын

The Norman Kings in Sicily created a magical kingdom unsurpassed. Jewish and Arabic scholars were highly respected and consulted in the courts. The art and architecture these kings bequeathed us in Palermo and Monreale literally take the breath away.

@dalenelson8254 2 жыл бұрын

There were some digs at "Protestantism" here, but remember that one of the great Arthurian works, and in its Christian use of mythology and folklore the great ancestor of the Narnian books, as well as being an inspiration for George MacDonald, was -- The Faerie Queene, Spenser's definitely Protestant, catholic work. Lewis said that to read Spenser was to grow in mental health. His discussion of the FQ in English Literature in the 16th Century, and the little essay on reading the FQ in Essays on Medieval and Renaissance Literature, should be read. I thought things got a little giddy in this discussion about the Native peoples' pre-Christian beliefs given what, for example, Black Elk had to say, in Michael Steltenkamp's book that gives the story of the long second half of Black Elk's life -- that is, the Christian half of his life, suppressed by John Neihardt who leaves Black Elk broken-hearted after Wounded Knee. We really need some discernment and we need to listen to people who were converted from what are now often called "traditional" religions, or say from real Asian Buddhism, and who speak of deliverance from fears and oppression of demons, now that they are baptized into Christ. There's some truth in remarks made here, but steady on, friends -- !

@dalenelson8254 2 жыл бұрын

Just to add to my own comment, remember too that Milton was a puritan -- Milton with his wonderful masque of Comus, which is another proto-Narnian work, for example. Some folks listening in here might not know about that. I'm a Missouri Synod Lutheran, so, in a sense, I don't personally have a dog in the fight, but if Lewis were here I think he might want to remind y'all about Spenser and Milton, etc. Let's not just have a sort of Duffy Stripping-of-the-Altars agenda here. : ) (Btw for Lutherans see Zeeden's Faith and Act.)

@thecommontoad59 2 жыл бұрын

@@dalenelson8254 Thanks for your whirlwind of a response. There will be a few things I will be looking up and into, including Steltenkamp's book, which sounds fascinating. Currently looking into the Orthodox presence in Alaskan tribal peoples, which is its own interesting thread.

@dalenelson8254 2 жыл бұрын

Reference is made at about an hour and twenty-seven minutes to two goddesses and C. S. Lewis. See Malcolm Guite's essay "Telling the Truth Through Imaginative Fiction: C. S. Lewis and the Reconciliation of Athene and Demeter," in the book C. S. Lewis at Poets' Corner.

@JB-zo7ln 4 ай бұрын

I only discovered your channel recently, but this was a wonderful video! I am a huge fan of Malcolm Guite. His videos where he reads to us and lectures a bit from his home are wonderful. I would really enjoy some day to see him give a lecture somewhere in the states or maybe at Cambridge.

@thecommontoad59 4 ай бұрын

Agreed, he can seemingly talk on any subject at many levels of sophistication. So glad you enjoyed

@grailcountry 2 жыл бұрын

59:49 This is why I think Pageau and Rohlin miss the mark. The Grail is deeply sophiological it's not just "the Eucharist" it's the about extra sacramental grace and the cosmic Eucharist, Bulgakov's meditation on the Grail, which seems indebted to Rudolph Steiner illustrates this perfectly. It's about Christ saturating everything with Grace.

@MrHwaynefair Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this clarification, Nate - an edifying comment which I appreciate. I do so hope you can get Malcolm to come onto Grail Country!

@grailcountry Жыл бұрын

@@MrHwaynefair Me too, he said yes but then ghosted me, lol

@MrHwaynefair Жыл бұрын

@@grailcountry Well - there is still hope ❤

@anthonyhulse1248 Жыл бұрын

Your idea of the Eucharist is too small.

@caroledrury1411 5 ай бұрын

This is a brilliant talk. The point about the importance of imagination brings to mind the terrifying scene in the movie minority report where all the sleeping bodies are being fed their information in dreams because they can no longer imagine on their own. This is a real risk. And the most hideous of critics of the imagination are the psychologists that blame narcissists as being people with too much imagination. Let’s keep psychology out of artistic reverie.

@mourningtheology3893 2 жыл бұрын

Lilith is amazing. I've never seen a book bold enough to actually subvert the associations of basic realities (hot/cold, sleep/death, a waterless world, etc.)