MALD Decoys & C-17 LRASM Rapid Dragon vs Russia's Black Sea Fleet (WarGames 137)

MALD Decoys & C-17 LRASM Rapid Dragon vs Russia's Black Sea Fleet (WarGames 137) | DCS

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We re-visit our scenario where the US Air Force attacks Russia's Black Sea Fleet using LRASM Rapid Dragon dropped by C-17. This time we add in more than one hundred ADM-160 MALD decoys to distract the Russia defences. How much different will the drones make?
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@patrickrk44 Жыл бұрын

Mald is being used in tandem with storm shadow (wild weasel tactics)

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

Yup, works well: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mpygY7yKxLy1io0.html

@waynesworldofsci-tech Жыл бұрын

@@grimreapers Container launch the MALDs. Four C-17 two containing MALD and two containing LORASM. No fighters needed!

@alexeyguskov8153 Жыл бұрын

Did you ever place human on to SU 57 at this attack😂 I would ljke ti see how many SU57 you will destroy😂

@hotfightinghistory9224 Жыл бұрын

Huge thanks to you gents (and ladies) for the incredible amount of work you must put in to cranking these videos out so often. I wish I could add a few more zeroes to this donation. These have become the highlight of my day.

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

Thanks hot!

@LT_Cobra270 Жыл бұрын

Props to you man!

@dnorrish117 Жыл бұрын

I would imagine that in a real attack they would time the LRASM launch to arrive right after the MALDs arrive on target. Maybe try to get the timing a little tighter next time

@pd28cat Жыл бұрын

and once they stop shooting at the first targets, send the LRASMs first and screw with their heads

@rubiconnn Жыл бұрын

And they'd be spread out across the front instead of lumped up which makes them much easier to shoot down.

@hanrockabrand95 Жыл бұрын

(Insert butthurt Russian comment here)

@jloiben12 Жыл бұрын

This is true but I also think this is useful for showing how hard timing it like that really would be

@jloiben12 Жыл бұрын

If there are an unrealistic number of B-52s, probably. That would make it too obviously a dummy. They would know we aren’t sending a spam level of B-52s to attack this fleet

@jimschofield8734 Жыл бұрын

Imagine the chaos if the C-17's dropped Rapid-Dragon/max loadout possible numbers of *MALDs*, and it's a smaller flight of fighters who drop a smaller number of LRASMs.

@stupidburp Жыл бұрын

MALDs on the C-17s and HARMs on the F-15s

@alexvives1335 Жыл бұрын

@@stupidburp followed by F-35s carrying LRASMs

@robjohnson5872 Жыл бұрын

You should be selling the movie rights to this Cap - a real thriller and the good guys won. US was looking at integrating them into their B-52's, with a potential capacity of 20. US has more than a few B-52's. And I suspect that LRASM can be programmed for time on target IRL than you could possible try to set up. Great stuff.

@dgthe3 Жыл бұрын

@@alexvives1335 Why unstealth the F35? Have other assets launch the decoys and cruise missiles, then the F35s come in with SDBs and pick off whatever is left over.

@alexvives1335 Жыл бұрын

@@dgthe3 fair enough.

@watcherzero5256 Жыл бұрын

Your missile tracking issues may be partly due to server load from the number of assets the game is trying to process at once, essentially its updating each asset less frequently so the course corrections are coming later than they would in a smaller engagement.

@jamison884 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video and I believe the US has their strategy down to a science in the real world with the latest versions of decoys, rapid dragon and JAASSM/LRASM, extended range HARM. Add to that the AIM-120D3, AIM-260, and several other missiles known to be in early development (but who knows which will make it to full implementation), and finally, the selection process for the NGAD fighter was just announced wtih an initial design decision anticipated in 2024. I feel for you Cap! I was going to mention it and then someone said it at the end of the video, just 25% PK rate for all blue missiles, and the reds had all of their damage done by firing only half the number of missiles. So odd.

@Maverick0451 Жыл бұрын

This was really freaking cool the last time you did this mission, and WAY freaking cooler this time around!!! Those decoys have really been a game changer, and to see this in numbers against a mission backdrop that you just recently did was a brilliant proof of concept!!! Great flying as always Grim Reapers!!!

@ryanerickson8138 Жыл бұрын

Kudos to the humans for putting up a decent fight despite being severely hamstrung by their highly ineffective missiles

@superflyguy4488 Жыл бұрын

I would imagine a simultaneous attack on the S400 and the BSF to overload the strategic C2. The Russian C2 is poor and very inefficient so a two pronged attack would crash their real-time reporting.

@dgthe3 Жыл бұрын

At this point, I think ordering a pizza would overwhelm Russian command & control.

@sulyokpeter3941 Жыл бұрын

This is going to be an interesting one! :D However iam missing the MiG-31 from here, because Russia would 100% use them to intercept the incoming C-17s (Off topic, The Type 26 Frigate is ready by CH. :D Iam waiting for your review of it! :D)

@ashblythe9598 Жыл бұрын

Still gonna be out of range, C-17 can just fire a little more faraway, LRASM's has 560km+ range, r37m max range of 400.

@charlietheunicorn5383 Жыл бұрын

One of the better simulation GR has put out. Intriguing stuff.

@tom23rd Жыл бұрын

I would love to see the US randomly put some guidance and warheads on some of the MALDs when adversaries start to get wise. Imagine the "code brown" not knowing if it's gonna blow up or not? 😅 What a battle though, cracking job Cap and fellows, that was a lot of fun to watch 🎉

@gibbo_303 Жыл бұрын

I think the F-15 could probably carry 14 MALDs each, 3 on each wing pilon and 4 on each CFT. Some things to note are that the SU-57 would not be used I'm sure you know that already, SU-35s are not stationed in crimea as they kept getting harassed by drones, there are 6 S-400 sites on crimea 4 of which are relevant to this simulation. Another thing is that the black sea fleet has much less capable ships in it with probably the most capable classes being the Krivak-II and the Karakurt

@t44e6 Жыл бұрын

Caught it at 35 seconds. My life is complete.

@trentvlak Жыл бұрын

Lots of fun, thanks. Fly did an awesome job up until the time he lost his F22.

@steffenjespersen247 Жыл бұрын

Wow missions are getting complex. Great job.

@jmtpolitico80 Жыл бұрын

Nice! I am so excited for this video!

@Anarchy_420 Жыл бұрын

I can't help but to wonder how the boys would have faired with AIM-120C-7's instead😅 All in all still brilliant work and bloody entertaining, lol just gotta get them D's workin ;)

@sabre635 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Would be interesting to see if a two-plane group of HARMs on the two attack vectors would fire a little bit after the MALDs are released and if that would affect the amount of SAMs going out

@haroldbenton979 Жыл бұрын

From what little I have gathered on that decoy drone it has the RCS of B-52. Now your a Russian SAM site and you see 100 B52's coming at you are you legitimately going to ignore a bomber that can carry 70K pounds of pain for your country coming at full speed.

@Elduderino1999 Жыл бұрын

The rumor I heard which take with a grain of salt is that they can make it model different planes RCS’s

@totalnerd5674 Жыл бұрын

@@Elduderino1999 Oh yes IRL, dunno about in game but since the AI shoots it anyway it doesn't matter.

@kdaltex Жыл бұрын

They'll make it look like a legit strike package.

@ashblythe9598 Жыл бұрын

@@Elduderino1999 not modelled in game.

@the3rdlung Жыл бұрын

Watching all these LRASM's go, is like the scene in Maverick with the cruise missiles

@superdudet1621 Жыл бұрын

Literally nothing could survive this. The battle was over after just reading the title and seeing the thumbnail.

@jmtpolitico80 Жыл бұрын

This is a great video of what could possibly happen or be used in real life!!!

@deadmeat8754 Жыл бұрын

Nice sim! Had me watching to the very end...🙂Having a SEAD group might help. The decoy and ASM attack timing didn't seem optimal.

@Gabriel_McMillan Жыл бұрын

Well done, Cap & Reapers!.

@kenhelmers2603 Жыл бұрын

You bet! Well done GR

@wandameadows5736 Жыл бұрын

War slows inflation.

@ohmss069 Жыл бұрын

25:35 HOLY SHIT NICE EVADE

@johnvoytko2424 Жыл бұрын

Cap "I dont think this going to go well" proceeds to sink everything in site. Lol, love it.

@timblack6422 Жыл бұрын

Well done!

@lenn55 Жыл бұрын

Also remember that the US would attack at night to give them even more of an advantage. I know that wouldn't make a good video though.

@ashblythe9598 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, superior situational awareness is gonna play a big part.

@gunzelloharris3348 Жыл бұрын

Nice! ;) Cool 1 CAP!

@shaocaholica Жыл бұрын

Larsm time on target could be tighter

@thegrizzlyoldtiger Жыл бұрын

Am I the only one who has wondered and looked for then finally just did the math myself to figure out how many rapid dragons a C5 Galaxy could carry? It appears the answer is 135!!!!! Damn I’d love to see that, lol!

@wolfgangamadeus1246 Жыл бұрын

That was good!

@jerrysullivan8567 Жыл бұрын

In one of Tom Clancy's books, Red Storm Rising, the Russians used Kelt Missiles to fake the Americans to shoot most of their missiles then launched their main attack from Backfire bombers.

@technoch33s3c4k3 Жыл бұрын

Al though it has the rcs of upto a b52. It would probably be pretending to be a few f 16s for example. I belive it can mimic multiple aircraft at a time and turn on and off. So you could in theory have real missiles killing phantom planea.

@TheCaptainbeefylog Жыл бұрын

A couple of HARMs to follow up on the S-400s would be a nice addition if possible.

@revolverswitch Жыл бұрын

25:29 that missile was visibly confused.

@coreymoyers Жыл бұрын

Growlers and HARMs would be a game changer in DCS.

@johnaikema1055 Жыл бұрын

excellent look into the future of combat. next have decoy drones well forward as modeled here with XQ-58 50nm back armed with say 2x AIM-9x each and f15ex 50nm back from the XQ-58. the f15ex would command the xq-58's and act as offensive decoys against enemy fighters. the cost of 1 f15ex= 10 xq-58's. cost of the pilots =priceless.

@watcherzero5256 Жыл бұрын

Red fired a lot more SAM's which the tracker wasnt counting, the long range S400 missiles wernt being picked up.

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

Rgr noted, I guess I forgot to add that type into the scoreboard.

@SeanPower-yr9rh Жыл бұрын

Timing is crucial in the scenario

@TraditionalAnglican Жыл бұрын

As the Russians have had problem with Fratricide (SAMs taking out MiGs and SU’s) you should show a SAM taking out 1 or 2 SU’s. Problem with the SU-57’s - The Russians aren’t flying them in Ukraine because they don’t have more than a few of them, and those they have aren’t production versions. I was wondering if we could do an ALL Stealth (F-22’s, F-35’s, F-117’s & B-2’s) on the Russian fleet with a “Time on Target Attack” as the Russians did with the Patriot Battery.. I think it would be really good if you could show the effects of stealth in this kind of battle.

@benjaminshropshire2900 Жыл бұрын

Has anyone IRL sketched out a "missile bucket"? A unmanned and cheap "decoy with teeth" that can be loaded down with missile and flown in large numbers head on into heavy CAP with it's only goal being to get close enough fast enough to fire all it's missile before getting shot down? The tactic I'm thinking of would be to launch missiles that are just good enough to force the reds to expend time, countermeasures and fuel avoiding them. Actually shooting anyone down would be a bonus, but the primary point would be to just keep them occupied and unable to accomplish their defensive mission.

@johnfinnegan9647 11 ай бұрын

any chance you will make any of these mods available to the Public? just curious if that is possible for you to share or if there is any plans of sharing. thanks for any response and appreciate the awesome videos! having a blast watching them, only been messing with DCS for just over a week so barely flying right but getting there!

@prrichgaby Жыл бұрын

Taking the F15 missile truck to the nth degree!

@patricktho6546 Жыл бұрын

32:20 I think the seekers are a bid wild today. The one AIM 9 X going for the flares didn't even go for the flares, but like 10 degrees below them

@ziaullahkhan8968 Жыл бұрын

In real life scenario they would recognize the bait and go for real target ❤❤❤❤❤ love the game by the way 🎉🎉🎉🎉

@_Addi_ Жыл бұрын

You'd be wrong. The decoys were used in Ukraine recently, and russia shot down their own air assets as a result of them being used.

@josephgrant6511 Жыл бұрын

This is a variant of Russian attrition doctrine in that whereas Russia would commit approximately 300 planes expecting 100 to actually make it through. Sending decoys uses the same reason... much less expensive though.

@jeremyaudet3810 Жыл бұрын

I'd like to see how many rapid dragon pallets a C5 Galaxy could carry

@tryhardfpv5351 Жыл бұрын

Would be great if an engagement ring could could be displayed on the map which would adjust according to the selected aircraft or missiles speed and altitude. Perhaps as a 3d map option. Good for visualising the gaps in defences.

@I_dont_want_an_at Жыл бұрын

This is an obscenity! How dare you!

@doublebackagain4311 Жыл бұрын

Imagine being in the fleet, trying to defend against everything being thrown at you from the air, then the sea-drones show up 💀

@maaku6210 Жыл бұрын

These are fun, but one thing that isn't accounted for is Submarines.

@Stinger522 Жыл бұрын

There are no subs in DCS.

@elladakku1300 Жыл бұрын

Given this fictional scenario would it not be true that if you did see all those decoy missiles clumped together you would still have to fire at them because they are decoys for a reason? What country is going to spend near $50 million firing decoys if not to hide real missiles among them? So surely even this brute force attempt would have to be defended against...

@GiGaWattMan Жыл бұрын

I enjoy the video. Instead of the su57 wouldn't the mig-31 flying long range support for russian airspace make more sense?

@henrygibson9613 Жыл бұрын

In the news recently: UK Type 31 to get Mk 42 VLS Type 45 to get 24 Sea Ceptor nd 48 Aster 30 Type 36 Frigate 48 Sea Ceptor and 24 Mk42 VLS Wildcat helicopters with Martlet and Sea Venom Would love to see these assets modelled for UK and European Naval war games, understand the complexities and expense but the RN seems to be modernizing and expanding its forces a lot atm.

@8ofthe7deadlysins Жыл бұрын

I wonder if the decoys could be used against aircraft, I am thinking cause a scramble. Then wait for the enemy to run out of fuel, RTB then throw missiles up their tailpipes.

@Vadatajs666 Жыл бұрын

decoy can destroy radar if direct hit :D

@aliefekurtca4400 Жыл бұрын

do u guys have drones in the simulator and can you compare them

@totalnerd5674 Жыл бұрын

Ahh yes, SEAD is all coming together now! It would be nice to see a full scale SEAD strike complete with F-35 AGM-88Gs against an integrated S400 regiment!

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

At your service: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/e6iqpthkutiqcWw.html

@petrhala9830 Жыл бұрын

Could the decoys be launched truly mixed in with LRASMs / Strom shadows? I mean, could the same plane carry both at the same time? Maybe the F15 could manage 2 LRASMs and 10 MALDs, judging from what we have seen here... That would explain why the SAM cant just let the decoys go...

@lyricalmusicchanel Жыл бұрын

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@eskildscott7841 Жыл бұрын

why are there no lightning 2s?

@philswede Жыл бұрын

Greetings from Sweden!

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

@philswede Жыл бұрын

@Grim Reapers Your vids on a huge screen and max resolution made my gf "air-sick" THAT'S realism! She says HI and that your video's looks awesome and it looks like great fun. Keep up the great work with this channel!

@ziaullahkhan8968 Жыл бұрын

In my view within visual range Russian jets are more lethal than American missing that aspect😮😮😮😮😮

@YTPeregrine Жыл бұрын

Makes me wish the US Navy would have followed up with the VLS version of LRASM

@xenaguy01 Жыл бұрын

2:40 Do we know for certain that any of those Russian ships are seaworthy? It would probably be a more realistic test if the Russian fleet was tied up in port.

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

It's a bit of a guess TBH.

@MkD_SENS Жыл бұрын

War game/ video idea: could the modern Dutch Air Force withstand the ww2 German air attacks in the country?

@benjaminshropshire2900 Жыл бұрын

Has anyone fielded a decoy/missile? That would be a platform that's primary intended to act as a decoy, but with enough teeth to make it a very expensive mistake to not take it seriously? It would be a real annoyance to have a decoy get all the way thought a defensive network and only scrape paint.

@terencyowens9491 Жыл бұрын

This. But with B1, B2 and B52's spamming HARM's AMRAMM and Tomahawks.

@S.Madman Жыл бұрын

Isn't the radar emulated in DCS for the Russian SAMs? And if so, wouldn't it cause the SAM sites radars to work harder if the decoys are spread out more.

@deeznutz8209 Жыл бұрын

If the missles are in a tighter group, it's harder to distinguish between individual targets at longer ranges depending on the pulse width. If you're using a long pulse width, you have a longer range but lower resolution. If you're using a short pulse width you get a higher resolution but a shorter range. You can increase the range of a short pulse width with a higher output power, but at a certain point a certain point you run into the principle of diminishing returns. I'd recommend you refer to this Wikipedia article for the theory. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_width#:~:text=Increasing%20the%20pulse%20width%20increases,length%20of%20the%20received%20pulse.

@nevinflynn Жыл бұрын

What I love about these videos is basically how can we nerf USA versus the best of everyone else. The amount of American support that's ignored and the amount of the let's trust the reported numbers from other nations is outstanding. Recently Russian specs have been proven horribly wrong.

@the3rdlung Жыл бұрын

Hey random question, does the cost depletion account for human lives lost?

@acersin2 Жыл бұрын

Imagine if he did it with 20 C-17 with Rapid Dragon 😭

@Anarchy_420 Жыл бұрын

Imagine how many C-5 could drop lmao or Boeing's Dreamlifter!😆👍

@anthonykodaski6161 Жыл бұрын

22:10 there are some weird artifacting that looks like a hit marker

@jameslloyd5819 Жыл бұрын

You guys do great work despite being biased against the USA. I was wondering if it is possible to model the cost of the armament on each ship in addition to the construction cost?

@ashblythe9598 Жыл бұрын

Can't blame technology being biased towards the Americans, it'll be bit difficult to calculate cost of the armaments from the ship and SAM sites, you'd have to count individually.

@jeffcooper7258 Жыл бұрын

This is what $6B in ammo looks like.

@rebelliousfew Жыл бұрын

I would like to point out, S-400’s do not turn off their radar. They are equipped with IFF, and such systems have been in use since WW2, so not sure where you heard that from. Also, Russia’s aircraft are specifically designed to operate within their SAM net, making it a much more powerful defensive package. So, not sure where people got this idea from.

@AlTheBarbarian Жыл бұрын

It’s because you can’t imply that the Russians are competent or capable of beating the west on KZfaq.

@AmirShafeek 8 ай бұрын

@@AlTheBarbarianlooking at ukraine a third rate millitary thatnrussia is stuggling to beat , they probably can't

@AlTheBarbarian 8 ай бұрын

@@AmirShafeek already wrong. To say Ukraine is weak or third rate is the weakest talking point out there. They are the second largest military in Europe. They are backed by the entire west.

@dexlab7539 Жыл бұрын

Remember: Exact same thing can happen to US Patriot and Carrier strike group! 😮

@_Addi_ Жыл бұрын

If the US decided to shoot at themselves, sure lol. No other nation has all of the tech that was displayed here.

@Iginigmite Жыл бұрын

Cap, I love your videos, watch them daily and always mash the like button. Has anybody ever heard of using the AGM-88 against ship radar? Will the DCS damage model allow you to damage or destroy ship radar?

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

It hits ships in game BUT doesn't damage the ship's radar.

@j4s0n39 Жыл бұрын

Since the S-400s' threat areas are so much farther north than the launch threshold for the LRASM, why not attack from the northern coast of Turkey?

@Nealetony Жыл бұрын

Again there would always be real missiles mixed in they would never not fire at them because that could be worse.

@the3rdlung Жыл бұрын

Hey guys, any chance you can do another Australian defence video? As an Aussie, you locked me in with the Darwin defence. Would love to see how the c17's with LRASM's, and the b52s would do with the darwin defence, with the f35 scrambling closer than katherine. OR even a scenario where Australia is on the way to help with a Taiwanese defence of an invasion from China

@Blank27 Жыл бұрын

Can the decoys in game jam? Apparently they can jam IRL.

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

neg

@xxdaggerxx5 Жыл бұрын

now do on the crimeria bridge. on a low budget.

@imellor711 Жыл бұрын

Lol, what it cap, because the Pentagon will be knocking at you're door soon, asking you to be their War games master!!!!

@user-yy1uu2is8z Жыл бұрын

hope to see the mod of this agm158c，it's wonderful!

@Kenneth_James Жыл бұрын

Does the game see the decoys as several planes or missiles like they supposedly can show up as on radar. Shouldn't you have used HARMS before the others?

@terryweedon8431 Жыл бұрын

I know it makes for better videos, but the Russian pilot skills are set way to high lol, from all the reports I've seen most russian pilots don't even get 4 hours a week, some don't even get 4 hours a month in a plane. Keep up the great work!!

@romain5967 Жыл бұрын

I CRAVE MORE!!!! seriously though..... Have you guys done ship launched LRASMs? Also i like having the lines showing direction of travel on the map, very much helps with understanding..

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

Not yet.

@romain5967 Жыл бұрын

As mysterious and enticing as ever... I'll wait patiently..

@SD-pj8dl Жыл бұрын

Is it just me or does the 3d model of the ADM-160C look wrong in terms of proportion?

@grimreapers Жыл бұрын

I have no idea TBH.

@jamesmaddison4546 Жыл бұрын

the 57 has an rcs of a clean f18 so how exactly is it half stealth lol its been pretty much decided that it doesn't even make it into 5th gen categories