Male Headship: Is it REALLY Biblical? Women in Ministry part 8

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It's undeniable that the Bible explicitly teaches that a husband is the "head" of his wife. While church history has pretty much always believed this means the husband is the primary leader in the marriage and household there has been serious pushback against this view from egalitarian scholars in more recent years.
Time Stamps!!
0:00 - Intro
1. 10:33 - Part 1: Medical Claims That "Head" Means "Source"
2. 31:47 - Part 2: Bible Context Claims That "Head" Doesn't Imply "Authority"
3. 54:20 - Part 3: Church History Argument
4. 1:01:10 - Part 4: The Battle of Lexicons; does kephale mean authority?
5. 1:33:33 - Conclusions
Their basic contention is that "head" doesn't mean what you probably think it means when you read it in Scripture as the description of the relationship between husbands and wives. They tend to offer 4 main arguments to support their case.
1) In the Greek speaking world of New Testament times, general medical opinion was that the heart or liver controlled the body while the head was merely the "source" of nutrition. The egalitarians say that we need to factor in this popular medical understanding of "head" or we will mistakenly think the husband is the leader of his wife.
2) Egalitarian scholars say that when you look carefully at Paul's use of the metaphor "head" and the specific context of the passages when it is used you come to see that Paul is NOT meaning to imply anything about authority but is speaking of nourishment or source. For instance, they will say that man is the source of woman in the sense that Eve was formed from Adam. Adam was her source.
3) Surprisingly, some Egalitarians will actually share a quote from Chrysostom to show that one of the church fathers understood perfectly well that this term "head" didn't mean to imply authority. Catherine Kroeger, founder of CBE promotes this view and many echo her.
4) Finally, we get to the biggest one. They will claim that the Greek word translated "head" really means "source" and not "authority." I've found that egalitarians will repeatedly make very similar claims that ancient lexicons do not support the meaning of "authority" and that one very respected lexicon in particular (the LSJ) defends their case.
I'm going to analyze each of these claims to see what the Bible really says about husbands being the head of their wives. This is super important because it doesn't just impact who is in church leadership, it impacts every single marriage in the body of Christ!
After years of being a bit confused about the topic of women in ministry I set out to spend months researching the topic in great detail to produce this exhaustive teaching series on the topic. This is part 8.
CLICK HERE for the playlist of ALL the videos in this series (more will be added as I make them). • Why We Can't Think Bib...
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BibleThinker.org
CLICK HERE for the notes from today's study biblethinker.org/wp-content/u...
Stephen Bedale’s overly influential little paper on kephale from 1954 www.jstor.org/stable/23953502
Wayne Grudem’s initial survey of over 2000 examples of kephale (he also addresses Bedale’s) biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/tj...
Plato’s passage which refute Payne’s use (use this same link to find 44d, where Plato speaks on this again) www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/t...
Frank Freeman’s article on “Galen’s Ideas on Neurological Function” www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/1...
Catherine Kroeger’s article chopping up a quote from Chrysostom. Still on CBE’s website. www.cbeinternational.org/reso...
Egalitarian’s regularly quote Cervin for understanding kephale. His work is suspect but his conclusions don’t actually support their position. Here’s his article, and please don’t miss his conclusion, which supports a generally complementarian position. margmowczko.com/wp-content/up...
Wayne Grudem wrote a response to Cervin and several other critics which is well-worth reading. www.waynegrudem.com/the-meanin...
World renowned Bill Mounce discusses the relevance of the LSJ lexicon to NT studies. www.billmounce.com/greekalpha...
A final resource from Grudem going over 30 years of debate on kephale. www.waynegrudem.com/meaning-of...
I have other references and data in my notes from this series, which you can freely have through my website BibleThinker.org

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@MikeWinger Жыл бұрын

Time Stamps!! 0:25 - Intro 10:33 - Part 1: Medical Claims That "Head" Means "Source" 31:47 - Part 2: Bible Context Claims That "Head" Doesn't Imply "Authority" 54:20 - Part 3: Church History Argument 1:01:10 - Part 4: The Battle of Lexicons; does kephale mean authority? 1:33:33 - Conclusions

@markwebb7576 Жыл бұрын

Using Plato to determine Paul's meaning of a word would be like reading Shakespeare to define the meaning of words used by Mike in this video. "When Mike said 'brave' he must have meant handsome, because that's how Shakespeare used it!"

@djwarkentin3572 Жыл бұрын

@agcm7471 Жыл бұрын

Waiting for the scarf video =)

@urlyadoptr Жыл бұрын

Hi Mike, thanks for the series - yes I made it to the end! What consideration would you give to Numbers chapter 30 in this discussion?

@kathleens.laroche754 Жыл бұрын

Mike, you are pouring yourself out like a drink offering to do this series. My brother, I do so appreciate the massive amount of labor you have put into preparing and teaching. However other listeners were affected by all of this word study today, it made me bend my knee in deep surrender to the Lord's intent. So between the Holy Spirit working through you and working on me through you, just know that as far as this one listener today is concerned, you did your job and did it well: mission accomplished.

@tanyalawson6261 Жыл бұрын

I appreciate your dedication to helping us understand this topic!

@kennaheaton3307 Жыл бұрын

I agree! You are doing the work I wish I had time/know how to do. Thank you.

@estherdaflucas6511 Жыл бұрын

Agree 100%!

@DavidGuzik Жыл бұрын

"You don't need it dumbed down - you just need it accessible." That's so true.

@rebeccab719 Жыл бұрын

If I had a nickel for every time the Passion translation was the only translation that supported the egalitarians’ argument, I’d have two nickels - which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.

@thelogicalpentecostal7262 Жыл бұрын

Great philosopher Dr. Heinz Doofenshmirtz!

@samuelfakelastname7464 Жыл бұрын

A phineas and ferb reference on a bible video, it's so beautiful.

@thirdplace3973 Жыл бұрын

The Passion *reinterpretation

@zacdredge3859 Жыл бұрын

Next thing you'll be telling us that the Tower isn't entirely trustworthy in their treatment of God's Word. 😱

@XeenMusic Жыл бұрын

It's not. The Message does too.

@itsmekellee1 Жыл бұрын

As a woman who wants go to into ministry, but to do so in a biblical way. This has been incredibly helpful in my journey to discovering what God is calling me to. Thank you for being such a great resource! I’ve been binging this series and can’t wait to keep going!

@user-iz8np3vv4i Жыл бұрын

I came across an extremely long post on woman in ministry. I will copy/paste if you wish. I don't know enough to support or reject many of the ideas in it however. Let me know.

@KM-zn3lx 8 ай бұрын

@itsme...what did you decide to do? I'm curious. I've felt women pastors is wrong for some of scriptures but mostly in the context the church was contending with paganism which was transexuals, women priestesses with shorn heads as temple prostitutes and strange babblings from these pagan religions which most gentiles were part of.

@heikelouiseoberholzer 6 ай бұрын

@@user-iz8np3vv4i I would love to read it. Are you allowed to share the link?

@trithos7308 3 ай бұрын

God is calling for you to have less.rights then men.

@pierrenel5767 Жыл бұрын

Among all the “ big names” of christian teachers, I have not come across one so humble, so careful and kind towards those who twist the truth, so careful to be true to scripture, so rightly dividing the Word. The Spirit of Christ is clearly using you powerfully. You are a giant ( in Christ of cause) in my eye!

@Notevenone Жыл бұрын

I agree completely

@themorningping9075 Жыл бұрын

@@skippy675 who stole your cookie

@themorningping9075 Жыл бұрын

@@skippy675 nah Satan did tempt him

@themorningping9075 Жыл бұрын

@@skippy675 not exactly

@themorningping9075 Жыл бұрын

@@skippy675 so basically Satan tempts people to do bad things. The more bad things a person does the more his monopoly over the world grows. So while he did not get the cookie itself, he profited from it's mere act.

@Obi1Classic 10 ай бұрын

What this series is teaching me is to check the sources rather than take someone's word for it. Great lesson in analysis and study methods.

@moomin8251 Жыл бұрын

Well done! The main thing I've learned so far is that when the motive is PURELY to find out what the Bible actually teaches, you will find it. But when the motive is to make the Bible agree with your pre-conceived ideas scholarship goes out the window. Sadly they know it's not being honest to use bits of quotes etc so there is no fear of the Lord. "itching ears".

@mary-elizabetharndt Жыл бұрын

Woohoo! One of my brothers and I are going through this series together and have been waiting for this one! I am the only girl in a family of 13 boys 😄 so I have been able to be exposed to very healthy male leadership and have had great training in what women’s roles are!!

@francesbernard2445 Жыл бұрын

What a blessing that must be having 12 brothers!

@mary-elizabetharndt Жыл бұрын

@@francesbernard2445 it is!! And I actually have 13 brothers and am the only girl! Lots of fun and teasing as you can imagine! 😄

@shurnbrendt7581 Жыл бұрын

Wow, another family of 14! I've only known one other, but they were 11 girls and 3 boys.

@mary-elizabetharndt Жыл бұрын

@@shurnbrendt7581 oh wow!! That’s like the opposite of us with them having mostly girls! 😅😅 I love it!

@meloraboyd 5 ай бұрын

I have five brother and one sister. Not near as many as you, but I agree that it’s great! My mom jokes that my sister and I have five bodyguards. 😄

@WontonDisciple Жыл бұрын

Dude! Mike! This video has been such a blessing! My girlfriend and I just got out of the NAR camp a couple of years ago and have been so encouraged by the teaching you’ve provided in this series. Thank you for your incredible work thus far, I can guarantee you that it has done wonderful things for people like us who really desire to live our daily walks with a biblical worldview.

@LlamaMamaAlpaca5 Жыл бұрын

Mike: finds a way to warn against the Passion “translation” whenever possible.

@SarahBenest Жыл бұрын

Thank you so, so much for this series Mike. This one is possibly the clearest, most well presented and most powerful yet! I'm in the UK where the church as a whole is heavily dominated by egalitarianism. I have spent most of my Christian life in egalitarianism and assuming it was right, but have begun to really question it and do the research for myself over the past 18 months. I've been so thrilled that you've done this series. Today's session has been a huge confirmation of what I feel in my own conscience. The more myself and my husband begin to understand how God intends us to posture ourselves in our marriage, the more freedom I'm finding to embrace biblical womanhood and be at peace that I don't have to compete to look and behave like my husband. Being faithful to God's design brings with it such a blessing 🙂. Thanks again Pastor Mike for all your hard work!

@FollowerOfChrist144 Жыл бұрын

Your time and effort isn’t going to waste ! Thank you thank you thank you! You are my second source for the word. (after the word) I greatly admire how well studied your studies are, how carefully spoken your words are, and how good intended your heart is. Thank you man!

@scottranck2225 Жыл бұрын

I have trouble calling this a secondary issue due to the fact of how it impacts marriage and the entire order of God's created world. The same type of poor scholarship is used to promote the LGBTQ "Christian" movement. Sketchy at best! Thanks Mike for doing this series and presenting all the evidence in a balanced way!

@branver1172 Жыл бұрын

Secondary issues are important, but primary issues are those that would not only affect our live but would affect our salvation.

@golvic1436 Жыл бұрын

Secondary issues are important because they so often lead to primary issues. Primary issues are obviously more important because in spiritual triage you want to address issues that will jeopardize salvation first but secondary issues are less an open wound and more a poison. If not treated it can open you up to primary issues. Treat both as very dangerous even though one is monumentally more dangerous than the other.

@thirdplace3973 Жыл бұрын

Things are called secondary or “open hand” doctrines simply for no other fact than they don’t have to do with Theology proper, Christology or Soteriology.

@chaboi7 Жыл бұрын

"A little bit of leaven damages the whole lump"....it isn't a secondary issue, it's an issue that needs to be corrected.

@thirdplace3973 Жыл бұрын

@@chaboi7 leven is a Rabbinical metaphor for sin, we aren’t talking about sin here. 🤦‍♂️

@elizabeths5896 Жыл бұрын

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Mike, Bravo! Great job! I can’t believe I understand what you’re saying - you teach so even I can get it. Thank you a thousand times over!

@matthewmeiring6521 Жыл бұрын

I'm so glad you are putting out real, Bible-based videos like this to help clear the muddied waters for young believers and to provide accurate information to more mature believers who may still be struggling to answer these questions for themselves or their friends and family. I also really respect that you have enough intellectual integrity to admit when you don't have a clear answer, in the moment, to questions about the minutiae of certain theological concepts.

@mariebo7491 Жыл бұрын

Here for it all, Pastor Mike! You’re doing great! I’m learning so much and it’s helped me finally understand 🙌🏼

@melissa7777 Жыл бұрын

I love how you talk about these topics Mike, need more brave shepherds seeking truth, to do this like yourself!

@wendyritchie205 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Mike 🥰 This issue (of the role of woman in ministry) came to a 'head' recently for my husband and I when our pastor preached an overtly pro-egalitarian sermon. You have so wonderfully and thoroughly articulated the unease we felt at our pastor's words and given both of us clear, biblical justifications for the views we had long held. You have also helped to 'soften' a few of the strong complitarian views we held. Your efforts are greatly appreciated. Many blessings to you.

@codyjlee Жыл бұрын

Pastor Mike, I have unashamedly bing watched / listened to all of the videos in this series! I just wanted to take a moment to say thank you for all of your hard work on this... as well as your transparency in working through all of these arguments. Just watching these videos gives me more confidence in simply questioning and verifying claims from "PHDs". In all things we should trust God's perfect intentions for His commandsto us, you do a great job of reminding us of this fact. Thank you

@aspenmiller5092 Жыл бұрын

As always, so helpful. Thank you so much for your hours of work! What a huge blessing. :) Also, loved what you said about not dumbing it down but making it accessible.

@wiggydebates3944 Жыл бұрын

Goodness. I am CRAVING this information. Thank you for being balanced, thorough, and humble in your exhaustive study and teaching. I am learning so very, very much.

@crystalgrice3612 Жыл бұрын

Such great work Pastor Mike! Thank you so much for all of the work that you've put into this series! My husband and I have benefitted greatly from your ministry and we are grateful that we've been able to think more biblically! Sending love and prayers for good rest for you.

@karenros5384 Жыл бұрын

I love this nerdy stuff! Keep it coming because it is SO important. I know God will bless you tremendously for your integrity and careful, reverential treatment of his word.

@valerieperez8649 Жыл бұрын

I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your teaching on this subject. And thanks so much for including all the notes. What a gift to the Body of Christ! You are so thorough and articulate. I pray for you regularly, that God would bless you and broaden your reach even more.

@philiphoule7170 Жыл бұрын

Pastor Mike, thank you for doing the hard work required for “rightly dividing the word of truth”.

@Alice-ll9et Жыл бұрын

Thank you, brother, for all the work, time and effort you put into this! May God bless you, your family and your ministry abundantly!

@jayakare Жыл бұрын

Thank you Pastor Mike. I appreciate all the effort and time you put into researching this very tricky topic.

@matthewbaldwin3595 Жыл бұрын

Mike, thank you so much for your deep and thoughtful study. That research takes a lot of time to do well, and it makes your videos stand above the KZfaq noise. Your work is always enriching!

@brendawilson3390 Жыл бұрын

Mike, thank you so much for this series! Been here from the beginning of it, and will stay til the end!

@TernaryM01 Жыл бұрын

This whole video is one piece of fine scholarship! Well done, Mike! Keep up the good work! 👍👍

@Truthwar. Жыл бұрын

The long awaited part 8. I really am following closely. It's really thorough and thoughtfully done while it remains very objective. Thanks Mike. God bless yah man.

@gunnarpaternal7495 Жыл бұрын

This is fantastic research which is clearly communicated in an organized way. Thank you for the excellent work on this topic. The thoughtful, open, and honest examination is genuinely appreciated.

@jason1carnley Жыл бұрын

I realllllllly appreciate this series it is something I have always wanted to dig into. But never really had time to do it. So again thank you so much for this study.

@comfortablynumb72 Жыл бұрын

Wow , I’m sure I speak for many, thankyou so much for your consistent ,well presented , thorough bible teaching , plus notes ! since the conception of bible thinker , your a machine 👍

@austriasnextgen225 Жыл бұрын

Mike, the church needs this, the kind of work ur doing. It is really a huge blessing for the body all over the world. God bless it and use ur ministry in this same godly way. Keep bringing clarity to the word and love it

@TabithaDavis Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this series! Thank you for the time you invest into it and give back to us!

@davidjcheney Жыл бұрын

Kudos on highlighting the Grudem/Cervin debate; I came across it around 4 years ago because of a sermon series at the church I was attending, where the theme was about gender roles in the church and family and the lead pastor essentially publicized the church's long-held (as of 1992) stance that 'kephale' = source, prompting some investigation that brought up the back-and-forth between Grudem and Cervin. Very glad to see it get some significant exposure, and I hope it's as helpful/clarifying for others as it was for me.

@jicudi Жыл бұрын

Arguably the most cogent offering on the topic I've been exposed to. This man is brilliant, objective, and talented in the extreme.

@meredithbeatty4157 Жыл бұрын

I can't tell you how helpful this whole series has been. Thank you!!!!!!!!!

@jackiepeddie7127 Жыл бұрын

That was just wow...you enjoyed it and we got so much from it. Thank you, may your ministry be a blessing to many.

@trinitycreek01 Жыл бұрын

Pastor Mike, wow just wow. First let me tell you that yes, as I open each the Women in Ministry series , I do so with the thought " this sounds complicated and grueling but lets dive in". ( I am sure it is so much more the case for you) BUT man what a eye opener and blessing! Thank you!!! Prayers and blessing from God to you!!!!

@refinersforge1781 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Pastor Mike for helping to equip other pastors out there that don't have the time to do the exhaustive research that God has given you a ministry to do! You're ministry is such a blessing. I am a bi-vocational pastor, full time blacksmith and part time pastor at our small country church. I have been preaching through Colossians verse by verse for close to 2 years (I preach about 2 times a month so that has contributed to the time it is taking). I just happen to be preaching this next Sunday on Colossians 3:18, so your video will be a great resource in my sermon preparation. I've already listened to it twice. Being able to listen to your videos and others while I am working in the shop is a great blessing in helping to equip me as a pastor. Thank you again for your passion to think about all things Biblically, and teaching the Word!

@feleslucis-emanueldearaujo6237 Жыл бұрын

I study Ancient Greek, Latin and Hebrew, and I'm flabbergasted by these arguments they used about the meaning of the word κεφαλή, since the word is also quite frequently used to pinpoint what's the most important aspect of a phrase (which does denote domain over a topic). Maybe, just maybe, they mixed up their data of the Greeks, and got the Ancient Egyptian notions into the debate instead (since it was through Ancient Egyptian custom that the heart was known for bringing emotion and having a link with one's soul). I'm trying really hard to follow the old saying: "do not attribute something to malice, when it can be easily explained by ignorance", but, man, do they make it hard... Also, I cannot find this meaning of "source" in any place outside of this debate. Maybe it also meant source in Koiné? I dunno, but I cannot find such use outside of this debate, neither I find it in good Ancient Greek dictionaries.

@au7-721 Жыл бұрын

So basicaiiy you can choose from all these sources to twist the scriptures to say what you want them to say. Simply put you don't believe the Bible. You can't. Not if you are constantly trying to correct it. Its funny. If Greek is such a clear concise language how is it that religions and cults all go to Greek to prove their various doctrines which all contradict one another. I actually dont believe what you said anyway. You are lying and simply trying to cast doubt on the Bible.

@feleslucis-emanueldearaujo6237 Жыл бұрын

@@au7-721 wait? What? No source treats κεφαλή as "source of something". The pastor did a good job demonstrating that too. My comment basically matches what he's saying on the video, so I don't understand where you're coming from with these accusations. Ancient Greek is a greatly concise language. However, you have to understand that not all languages work the same, and translations may end up losing some nuance and aspects that were obvious for the original speakers, but that may be differently perceived by modern students. Because of this, there are people who use the commonplace ignorance of what the originals say to push corrupted ideas on modern people. We can see many cults doing that, especially the ones who defend the idea that homossexuality is OK according to the Bible. They simply ignore the facts at hand, the long Church history, and the cultural and religious history, while focusing on aspects that shouldn't even be considered, such as them saying that homossexuality is not used in the Bible (while ignoring this is a word that was poorly devised by a German who knew very little about Latin and Greek word formation in the XIX century).

@Triggerhawk Жыл бұрын

@@feleslucis-emanueldearaujo6237 pretty sure he either completely whiffed what you were saying, or is one eyed egalitarian. I think it's the former though lol 😂

@Window4503 8 ай бұрын

@@au7-721 Friendly reminder to read what people say carefully before typing kneejerk accusations.

@norandavis856 Жыл бұрын

Very thorough. I have also heard a lot of the same misconceptions about what people believed back then but just kind of brushed it off like “if they weren’t Christians who cares what they thought” so it was very interesting to learn that they actually don’t seem to have believed any of that stuff that “refutes” the biblical understanding of headship.

@MaryObasi Жыл бұрын

As another Biblical KZfaqr, im loving this series Mike! Great work

@lizzard13666 Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike! This series is so helpful. This video helped clarify some massive confusions I've had for years, I've done some light reading on the "source" v "authority" comparison, but I really didn't know how deep the rabbit hole went!

@brendahankins7871 Жыл бұрын

Thanks again for the tremendous amount of work you put into preparing this video. I look forward to the next one!

@ToddFrazierShow Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for all of your hard work and careful study! This series has been such a blessing for me and I pray that it will make a great impact for the Kingdom. 😁 🙏

@xamnShorts Жыл бұрын

Man, Mike I’ve followed your content for a good while now and have always appreciated your content and hard work. I have an Mdiv in biblical languages and can say I truly appreciate the level of work you put in. I find I agree with most all of your content (except Im a convinced Calvinist). Im so glad you didn’t fall for the woke deception and have stayed level headed amidst all the continuing controversies and battles. Stay grounded and praise God, brother.

@MrJB4Speed Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Mike! The Lord is using you to impact lives around the world! I praise God that I have found your ministry. Thanks again!

@BIBLE-UNBUTCHERED Жыл бұрын

Bravo Mike, the most thorough and exhaustively accurate teaching on Women in Ministry on the internet.

@JeffHenneforth Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike! You are doing a fantastic job!

@PilgrimStanding Жыл бұрын

Really appreciate this series. It has been alongtime that I have been waiting for something that makes sense from a Biblical point of view in this discussion. I have read whatever egalitarian books fellow believers have offered me and they always seemed to fall short. As much as I wanted to be convinced by them, and then have this annoying complimentarian viewpoint erased... it just never seemed to fit Biblically. Having a series that goes nack and looks at the source material and quotes from egalitarian scholars helps to put this in a proper light. It also inspires me personally, to step up and prayerfully take hold of the responsibility for leading. It feels intimidating, but also I know that I need to. Stepping forward in leading, by example of sacrifically serving, taking initiative, making decisions, following through. Thanks Mike.

@scottspeig Жыл бұрын

Amen - It is so hard to find anything approaching a balanced view on this subject. You have complementarians saying "Its obvious because of these passages", or you have egalitarians confusing the passages to make them mean the opposite of the straight forward reading ("Why not women" by Loren Cunningham & David Hamilton)

@AwakeNotWoke Жыл бұрын

Fantastic job, Mike. I always walk away from your videos smarter and better informed. I appreciate the effort you go to.

@petroswheels Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike for your diligent work. I appreciate you, as you said, making these in-depth studies accessible. They have truly edified me.

@joybadham-thornhill8291 Жыл бұрын

Love, love, love this series thanks Mike 😊 ❤

@ictkanzin5314 Жыл бұрын

Awesome research and teaching. Wish this was available 20 yrs ago! You are in my top 3 favorite biblical teachers

@Ryan-dl3pe Жыл бұрын

Who are your other two? I'd love to check them out! I could always use some more biblical teachers to listen to!

@ictkanzin5314 Жыл бұрын

Doug Wilson @ Cannon Press and Joel @Right Response Ministries.

@mrmonay Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this brother, it is so important both personally to me and for the greater good. God bless!

@jackiesmiley5538 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for breaking this down for us. This is important work!

@margaretstrauss1645 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for all of your hours and study. So much tie in to changes in society rather than the Biblr

@benjohnson9224 Жыл бұрын

Pastor Mike, thank you for digging deep into this topic. My wife and I have been studying this for the past year, and the egalitarian arguments against husband's being authorities always seemed "off" to me, but I didn't know why. Thank you for taking the time to explain and bring clarity to a topic that has been muddied quite a bit.

@susanbarackman-artist7670 2 ай бұрын

If the husband is the head of the wife, who is the head of unmarried women? Christ? ---or is the head of unmarried women her pastor? That puts the pastor in a precarious position. Does he have time to answer all the needs and questions and make decisions for all the unmarried women in his church and lead them as a husband would? Does he want to even do that? And if he is married that puts another whole dynamic in the situation of leading unmarried women. So if the head of unmarried women is Christ, they have a much better head as married women only has a fallible men and perhaps unreliable or even abusive, as their head? Even if the husband is good and kind, that puts the husband in a very precarious position because he will never be the equal of Christ.

@lookingatdaisies9901 Ай бұрын

@@susanbarackman-artist7670the head of the wife is still Christ

@susanbarackman-artist7670 Ай бұрын

@@lookingatdaisies9901 yes but under pat.comp teachings the husband still has the last say and a woman who marries is supposed to give the headship of christ in her life and have her husband now be the head

@richardbmaala Жыл бұрын

I appreciate your work Pastor Mike. Thank you!

@hopeinternationalchurchwal5155 Жыл бұрын

Great series, Mike. Very insightful. Thanks for all your hard work.

@realhusbandslovetheirwives7912 Жыл бұрын

That was a great stream Pastor Mike. God bless.

@linak7155 Жыл бұрын

Hello! Where does pastor Mike teach? What church denomination does he prescribe to?

@tam4givin Жыл бұрын

@@linak7155 He teaches what the Bible says.

@HopeKuhn Жыл бұрын

@@linak7155 He’s full time online now. He used to teach at a Calvary chapel and you can find some of those videos here on his channel. But he just teaches the Bible and does that all online now.

@linak7155 Жыл бұрын

@@HopeKuhn thank you for your quick response!

@ReformedNerd Жыл бұрын

Still here !!! Keep up the good work brother

@kristyleavitt8007 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this video, Mike! I really appreciate your thoroughness and the time and energy you invest into creating your videos to ensure you’re accurately communicating the truths in the Bible!

@PT121551 Жыл бұрын

I agree with the comments I have read here . Mike, again God has used you to make clear of a very difficult issue in our church today. I hope you will continue to use this wonderful gift that God has given you to bless many people.

@jesusfierro1721 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your hard work brother

@cbak1819 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Mike this really helps me understand some areas I was struggling in in my marriage..

@christinebarnes899 Жыл бұрын

I didn't write this comment, in case friends who are following this series think that David and I are having problems!! Will pray for you, Christine B.

@AnnetteMurphyger Жыл бұрын

Thank you so very very much for all your work on this video Pastor Mike. Very challenging and informative.

@groganz5221 Жыл бұрын

Well done Mike 👏 👏 Ultra impressed!

@MrWright83 Жыл бұрын

Amazing mind blowing work Mike! The work you have put into this series is showing up. Your genuine heart for truth is apparent every time I listen. I would assert that egalitarian scholars are not ignorant of the truth but would prefer to stay in an echo chamber that supports their worldview and selfish desires. I have seen many people on platform that wholeheartedly embrace these views and use story telling and extreme examples of abuse to make their case for the evils of patriarchy. They like to pick on evangelicals and complimenatrian views but oddly avoid any mention of views in other faiths that clearly denigrate women. I cannot thank you enough for your clarity and thorough teaching through this series. I want to know and follow the truth. God Bless!!

@dollysumrow1062 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for taking God’s word seriously.

@alexandrasutter7805 Жыл бұрын

I love that on the title screen you have a cut-out of your head floating around. For being such a well-researched scholar, I love the geek you bring to it!

@marshaboner2804 Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for all your work. It’s not in vain. You are doing the work of God. You are a breath of fresh air. 🙏

@silentlandthousandvoices Жыл бұрын

Great work, Mike. Oftentimes we don’t check the references or veracity of claims made by scholars, and it seems a lot of scholars don’t either.

@hannahtedeschi673 Жыл бұрын

EVERY 👏🏻 TIME 👏🏻 you’re like “can you guess which translation?” I almost yell “THE PASSION TRANSLATION?!” 😂😂😂😂

@BaijoGosum Жыл бұрын

This has been super fruitful for me. Best teaching I have found on the subject , thanks!

@cameronramm778 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Mike for doing this series.

@renatakiss8501 Жыл бұрын

I’ve had a hard time with the headship/submission debate because I come from a abusive/trauma-filled background where this concept was constantly abused. Because of the amount of hurt I’ve been through, it’s been really hard for me to desire this model because of the lack of trust I have towards many men. I probably met 1 guy in my 29 years on earth who I thought was a good leader. So I guess my question is, how do people with trauma overcome their hurt and pain so they could be more biblical followers of Christ? I also wonder how many women who endorse the egalitarian model come from abusive backgrounds.

@scottsimon9435 Жыл бұрын

First off, I am so sorry to hear of your abusive and traumatic background. I pray for healing and full recovery for you by the power of God who is able to work all things for good to those who love Him and submit to Him. I also hope that if the effects of your background are still a physical or spiritual burden to you, that you will seek to find a solid female Christian counselor who can walk you through a recovery and healing process. Second, hopefully you can acknowledge that while your experience with male leaders has not been good thus far, the ability to mistreat and abuse other people is not limited only to the male gender. There are plenty of accounts of women having authority over children or men have also abused their authority. Abuse and bad leaders come from a fallen, sin-cursed world that we live in and every human being must submit to God if they are to be free of these actions and behaviors. The solution is for men, women, and children to seek the LORD and submit entirely to Him first and foremost. He is indeed a perfect leader, and He has the very best intentions towards those who come to Him by faith and seek His love, mercy and grace. When fallen humans put obedience to God as their highest priority, and then actually follow His commands they will also be honorable and trustworthy with regards to how they treat others. Beware of hypocrisy of course. God calls us to surround ourselves with and to follow such leaders who are above reproach just as God has called and appointed them to that role. We can know who such honoroable leaders are the fruit they bear for the Kingdom (still with caution though). I pray you will find such people in your life and that God will show you how perfect His Word and His divine order for families and the church are when people properly submit to Him and obey His word. If not already in one, I also pray you will find a healthy church fellowship that demonstrates God’s love and truth in their everyday lives. Also, I hope you feel free to separate from people and relationships where any level of abuse is occurring presently in your life. You must establish proper boundaries in relationships so that abusers cannot hurt you any longer. Hope that helps. Blessings and brotherly love in Jesus Christ!

@chaboi7 Жыл бұрын

Hello, I suggest you do not allow yourself to be led by your fear....God di not give you a spirit of fear & the word of God calls women to be daughters of Sarah who called her husband "lord".....this doesn't mean you're a doormat, it just means that you're a woman full of the holy spirit and his fruit, look at all the good women in the Bible, none of them were disobedient to their husband's or a thorn on his side....again, women are made to be help mates to their man and that is the position you should seek....don't be led by your fear because God didn't give you a spirit of fear...God bless.

@BexandDeanFraser Жыл бұрын

@@chaboi7 help meet, not help mate. Ezer kenegdo - a help suited to, worthy of, corresponding to!!! Not a helper for. How did help meet turn into helper or help mate!! Terrible translating!! Corresponding is the notable word in mind!!

@JayaSavannah Жыл бұрын

I also wonder how many women become egalitarian with abusive backgrounds as well. While I have no relatable experience with church hurt because I was born again later in life, I do have trauma and pretty extreme abuse in my past. The more I remember that my old life died at the cross, the more free I feel. Also remember, the Lord knows what your betrayals and rejections feel like and he will always be there to comfort you. I pray you heal.

@stephaniewelch825 Жыл бұрын

I come from 3 abusive relationships spanning over a decade so I can empathize with you. I struggle with the same things 😭 This is one of the main reasons why I just want to be single.

@thelogicalpentecostal7262 Жыл бұрын

I really like the new bullets at the bottom of the screen!

@stratisconstas1315 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the videos. I look forward to the next one.

@emmielouchim1342 Жыл бұрын

Thank you, for going so in depth as to speak the Truth, but teaching it in such a way that I can understand. You are a great gift for those of us who just want to live walking in God's truth 🙏

@thereal1650 Жыл бұрын

When we as an individual take the Books of the Bible and imply our own understanding out of context from the Bible. We are changing the Bible to fit our own worldly views and this is wrong period. There is zero debate. The clams are wack and this is a solid video sir. Thank you.

@DavidGuzik Жыл бұрын

Mike, this is great work. Your deep dive and clear explanation of these issues is a gift. I'm really interested if anyone from the egalitarian side will respond. Thanks for all you are putting into this series.

@xixingpooh Жыл бұрын

I think he does an excellent job of explaining this. However, my wife would never watch something like this. She's very vehemently egalitarian rather than complementarian. I wish I could get her to understand this.

@chaboi7 Жыл бұрын

@@xixingpooh show her throufh scripture what it means to be an "daughter of Sarah"....if your wife is not submissive then pray for her and keep bringing up scripture because she either fights the word or submits to God...there's no middle ground there

@xixingpooh Жыл бұрын

@@chaboi7 Thank you for your advice, I appreciate it. The thing is, she is submissive in how she lives her life and how our dynamic works spiritually and otherwise. However, she will not acknowledge it as she feels that means she is of lesser worth/value. A lot of the issues she has with it have to do with her being raised in a pseudo-Christian cult that had a very lowly opinion of women. Essentially, she believes that if women are not exactly equal to men in their role capabilities (being a pastor, male headship) than there is no point for women if they cannot attain the same roles within Church or leadership as men. Trying to explain the complementarian view for her just doesn't appear to stick. One way or another it always unravels to her past trauma. It's never an easy discussion to have.

@chaboi7 Жыл бұрын

@@xixingpooh I get it but if she's already like that then she should not be led by fear, my suggestion is to read the Bible together and let her know it isn't your word but Gods word and on top of that you're not them guys, she can't take that out on you, that isn't fair

@xixingpooh Жыл бұрын

@@chaboi7 For the first time in 6 years, we've been reading the Bible together at least a few times a week, and it has helped quite a bit. I agree with you and I will definitely try that, thank you. It speaks volumes to how trauma can damage a persons disposition. She lives by that role in many ways Biblically, but will not acknowledge it as such. It's polarizing, but I appreciate you hearing me out. Thank you.

@christinebarnes899 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for all your hard work and thorough research. Have shared your teaching on this subject with others and will continue to do so. May the Lord richly bless you! Greetings from South- East England!

@shellieupchurch5931 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for researching this and looking at sources. Thanks for doing all this homework for us.

@thirdplace3973 Жыл бұрын

This seems to me like a SUPER weird debate. If Egalitarians want to claim head in the verse simply means "source" and has nothing to do with authority they have to immediately affirm that likewise Christ has no authority over His own church, Paul says the exact same thing with the exact same word about Jesus and His church. How is the debate not over with at this point?

@chamberlainmiller2991 Жыл бұрын

The necessary madness brought on by poor scholarship… Thank you Mike for going through these lexicons and being respectful of the scholars

@therayn0 Жыл бұрын

The best series on KZfaq and this video is a bomb! 🔥🎩

@lfroglfrog4962 Жыл бұрын

U are sooo Thorough & the places u take us to show us why is ASTOUNDING!!!!

@thereseservais924 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Mike for the quality and seriousness of your work. You earn a medall ! What comes through all of this is that an agenda behind a study makes the results and conclusions of this one very doubtfull. In that case, you have 2 kinds of approaches : 1. People who are just interested in some subject or topic but not scholars; they do it (for example psychology) "à la petite semaine", a french expression meaning " to handle the thing from very common points of view without deep and accurate knowledge". 2. Scholars know how to manipulate all their knowledge and ways of treating datas to reach the conclusions they want to see appear. In that case, I wouldn't call it failure by lack of information(s) but DISHONEST ABUSE. See Romans 1:18. I don't consider this subject of your series as a secondary issue at all. It's so important to know God's will for our lives and to discern good from bad teachings. So thank you for your input in helping us to think (and handle) biblically. Very high appreciated ! God bless you and your family.

@guarionex4672 Жыл бұрын

Difficult to speak about but hard truths that we have to start looking into and understanding why the church is so far behind or so close to the worldly standards. Great study and great lesson! Thanks for all you do Pastor Mike! And thanks for not hiding behind social pressures. It is such a big deal these days. I think the kicker in this one was where all their resources came from. Too much extra biblical leads to extra biblical thinking. We need more bold, honest and sound Biblical truth! Keep it up!

@jenniferwalsh1731 Жыл бұрын

This is amazing. Mike, can’t wait till you tackle whether we can lose salvation. Thank you for all you do. Praise God 💜

@rashaebyler5659 Жыл бұрын

Pastor Mike, I cannot thank you enough for this series. As someone who has recently graduated from a Bible college, it is so hard to find quality, Biblical, and free resources to use when researching weighty topics such as women in ministry. During school, I had a female friend who deeply wanted to become a theology professor, but wasn’t sure what she actually believed regarding it. I remember feeling so distraught that I didn’t know how to approach the topic biblically, without allowing emotions to play a factor. Thanks for all of the time and effort you put in series like this and for allowing open access to it. I’m so glad that I stumbled on your channel!

@user-iz8np3vv4i Жыл бұрын

I came across an extremely long post on woman in ministry. I will copy/paste if you wish. I don't know enough to support or reject many of the ideas in it however. Let me know.

@ruthvansandt9713 Жыл бұрын

I wish so much that I could respond with questions without getting lambasted by over zealous complementarians…

@DaveBaldwin1 Жыл бұрын

Pastor Mike, your teachings on this subject have been very well done. It baffles the mind on how much time you've put into this subject matter. I thank you for your dedication. On a side note, pertaining to this topic, I feel some are looking at it in the wrong light. Some may think that to have authority is a power thing. I see it as an accountability thing. We, as husbands, will have an accountability to God for how we attended to our wives and children. Because I am far from perfect, that's accountability im not looking forward to. The egalitarian view I believe thinks we relish in a position of authority when, for many, the opposite is true. But, because Gods word and ways are perfect, even beyond our understanding, we press on and persevere in our duties. Thanks again brother. With love in Christ.

@viperstriker4728 6 ай бұрын

That is very well said. The Bible seems to view leadership very differently then the rest of the world. I recall first coming across this in a Star Wars book of all places. Since then I have heard the same idea from Mike, another pastor, a navy seal, and football coaches. You just captured a big part of it relating leadership to accountability. A verse just popped into my head while typing this. Mark 12:41-44 "41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents. 43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything-all she had to live on.”" The widow had no social status or wealth, yet what she did was greater. The Bible seems to say repeated that our value isn't derived from our status, job, or role. While we in our own intuitions seem to keep insisting the opposite.

@lookingatdaisies9901 Ай бұрын

😭😭😭😭 thank you! Someone who saw what I saw, the reason why we have a problem because there are men that are actively involved in making women think they got the wrong end of the deal, cos they beat so much about being leaders and heads... Being appointed authority should scare you into seriousness. It's not a reward.

@SirandLadyWarrick Жыл бұрын

I'm a lady and this is so much fun to nerd out together with you about about these things. It's relieving to realize (once again) that the Bible stands up to criticism and transcends culture and time. Truth isn't shy. Thank you for all your hard work!

@viperstriker4728 6 ай бұрын

The more I read of other cultures the more I see just how much the Bible does transcend culture. Glad to see I am not the only one using that phrase.