“The worst thing the bear can do is kill me.” Fellas, sit with that for a bit.

The problem with this argument is that it assumes the absolute worst in all men. Women who hike encounter other hikers/men in the forest everyday. You're telling me they would rather pass by a bear than a man? Also bears don't kill their prey prior to consumption like the big cats and wolves do. They just pin you down and eat. Pretty sure that's worse than death

The 1 in 3 assault stat is flawed as staring at a woman can be classed as sexual assault if she felt uncomfortable but it's framed as if 1 in 3 women have been raped which isn't true.

Here's a better way to phrase this question; If a woman has a random man 50 yards from her in the forest, and a bear staring at her 50 yards in the opposite direction, does she run toward the bear or the man?

The bear argument is just flat out stupid. I don't think there's a defense to that level of illogical thinking

Next time they complain about a man mot stepping to protect or assist them in any way, tell them to call the bear.

Nah man i tried to hear you out and its still ridiculous. 😂😂

WHO IS MORE LOYAL TO MEN? A DOG OR A WOMAN? LETS ANSWER THAT?

Really, man? Wow. 🤦🏾‍♂️

Bro you said a bunch of nothing. Sigh. I don’t car want experiences women have. All men do not owe you an apology cause of one dude. Or a few. Women love saying they aren’t all the same and shouldn’t be treated as such but then don’t give men the same treatment, the question simply said a man. Never said a bad man. So this is pure projection from women onto men. This has to stop men this pandering crap

"It's man bear pig I told you he was real." - Al Gore 😂

That answer is like a Black man saying he will choose the racist serial killer over a police officer in the woods. While, of course BM have had so many horrendous and deadly experiences with the cops, and like women, get routinely harassed and harmed by cops, a cop is still way more likely to help you in the woods than a racist serial killer. I understand women's fear of men in isolated and vulnerable situations like this, but to still choose a bear shows a lack of rationality due to emotions. And that emotional response isn't saying "I've been scared so much I'll take my chances with a bear" it's more so "I want all men to feel bad so I can make a point."

You're giving way too much credit to the "i'll choose the bear" argument. Lol

Bears don't have a killing bite. They eat you alive.

There are just some questions that are no need to always go deep and trying to understand the psyche or feelings of the person or group.. This is such question

If a bear was in Wal-Mart both men and women would run... Men peruse Wal-Mart everyday all day

Let's put the ladies' rationale in the form of a #syllogism to test their logic & see what conclusion we get: *Premise I)* Men are more dangerous to women than bears. *Premise II)* Bears are dangerous to women so women stay away from bears. *Syllogistic Conclusion/Deduction from the 2 premises:* If women stay away from bears because they are dangerous & men are more dangerous than bears; then logically women should also stay away from men. The logical conclusion from the women's rationale means if what they are saying & thinking about men is true, they should be running/panicking at the sight of men more than they do with bears, but they don't...🤔 👆🏾This is where lies the flaw in their reasoning and why the argument is irrational. By their logic, if men are indeed more dangerous than bears & yet women still date, rapport and sleep with men, that makes women foolish/crazy... However you rationalise the women's logic, the conclusion is that their behaviour contradicts (& invalidates) their claims, which makes them come across as irrational/hypocritical/disingenuous. Remember, gentlemen, *don't just listen to what they say, watch what they do to see if it matches their words.* "Actions speak louder than words." In this case, their actions aren't matching their words, thus someone is either lying/unreasonable.

Bro, we understand how women FEEL about the situation. They're still wrong. Even taking into account the, "worst thing a bear can do is kill me" talking point, the *likelihood* of a bear killing them is higher than the likelihood of a random man doing anything other than being *helpful* . We're not thinking about this from the perspective of a serial killer, why would we be? That think random man = axe murderer We think random man = US Part of our gender role is to die for them... And they have the nerve to pull this BS.

The problem is we are trying to have a substantive and rational conversation about a real issue but we are using hypothetical scenario that is wildly nonsensical, intentionally obtuse, and offensive Let’s have the discussion about how dangerous men can be and have been to women and all real things we can do to better protect women and be better men. And if we really want to get anywhere, we’ve got to figure out how to have that discussion without unfairly generalizing and dehumanizing men in the process.

Remember, we have totally eliminated the threat of wild animals so women don't have to worry about dealing with wild animals. As a result, women have been raised to learn how to move in a world where the only threat to deal with are that small % of men. The women are answering the question based on how they've been programmed to move through the world safely. They never ever ever have to consider the threat of a bear or go through the thought process required for that. So the answer they're giving is the quick reflex.

Solid analysis. I suspect that for our women in particular the tendency towards these hyperbolic statements (e.g. men are trash, etc.) is that they feel that is the only way to get our attention as they feel we don’t listen to them. Which is ironic as women tend to be terrible listeners, but I digress. Their point could have been expressed differently for men to get a better understanding, but as you have often said, the default is to assume the worst about black men. As I get older these conversations leave me a bit discouraged but I have to remember that most men and women are decent people and genuinely like each other. It’s mainly the broken or angry ones who are driving these discussions which makes it difficult to ignore.

I thought the whole thing was hyperbolic in nature, but you have a point Obi. One of my home girls was actually praising me for creating a safe space from the young girls, and women, I provide the fatherly/mentor presence in their life. Because some girls will never know what that's like; to just be seen, and treated as a person, and not just a piece of meat/a thing.

The whole argument is dumb

5:01 Alan: There are some things worse than death. Me: Did you ask dead people this?

Brother you are a breath of fresh air on this internet keep goin

We also need to understand that, the people who are more likely to record themselves or be recorded answering this question is not a full representation of women. I'm sure most women can acknowledge, numbers wise, that the number of men they have had a positive interaction with, an interaction that is neutral, or just not had any interaction with, out numbers the men who they had a negative interaction with. By negative I am talking cat calls, perverted behavior, and/or SA. Not talking about a guy that made them angry, because that's not the worry when they answer this question.

Most people learn the wrong lesson from their experience. I am just learning a lot of women apparently feel very unsafe around men(that is the lesson they learned from their experience). Since most women have no experience of bears, they incorrectly have less emotional reaction to the idea of a bear in the woods.

Should those same men protect these same women from bears?! Absolutely not!

I think it also points that we are a society that boosts negativity and that we only remember the most traumatic stuff and that we induce it when it comes to certain situations. Because how many times have we seen from documentaries, TV shows and whatever the case may be. People who have been left stranded and been found and it was either another man or woman or couple that found them in in these woods or in an isolated area and save their lives

I highly respect your opinion.. but i cant rock with this at all... i dont think this was ever about understanding it was just another opportunity to pile on men. But I hope you see this and clarify. You mentioned as a father you basically default to caution when it comes to men and your daughter.... I get that... but let's be real... if you were in the woods with tour daughter and the path split. To the left there was a path where there's men... and to the right a path where there's bears. You have to send you baby girl ahead of you alone.... how many times out of 10 would you choose for her to go right instead of left without you.

So my quesrion is why arent these women called misogynists for making these assumptions about men?

Why are u even giving credence to an argument made by someone who, im sure, never had a real encounter with a bear.

See I could understand the utility of this hypothetical if it wasn't your garden variety re-hashing of the same "women fear men and let's do nothing more with this information" talking point and actually tried to point to something un-discussed or less surface level. It's already been drilled into the psyche of every modern man that women are distrustful, fearful, and skeptical of men at large. We get it. It does absolutely nothing to push the conversation forward. Also the 1in4 stat was debunked many times to be highly exaggerated, lazily tested, and had a definition that was too broad to be considered potent imo.

Ok com’ on hair!!!!😍🤭…sorry I got distracted…let me go check out some of these videos because I have NO idea what’s happening 🤦🏾‍♀️

This assumes a power that most men don’t have.

Nah bro. This ain't it

Nah I'm not feeling your take on this one. I get the idea of there being things worse than death but plain and simple the chances of the worst case scenario you can think of a man doing to the woman vs likelihood of being mauled to death... Nah your a thousand times more likely to survive just being in the woods with a man vs a bear. It's truly disheartening hearing any men side with women on this. This the first video I've strongly disagreed with your take.

I think there are two things that are true with this conversation. As rational beings, the irrational answer of choosing the bear will never make logical sense to us. And… when women give an irrational answer or an answer based on emotions, we shouldn’t try to insert logic. We should focus on understanding why they think and feel the way they do.

Respectfully: no. Your sentiment seems to be that men don't give enough consideration to how easily any one men with bad intentions can overpower any one woman... ...except it's kind of impossible post-MeToo for men to ignore this. Men are more empathetic than they've ever been. Sexual assault is horrible. It is not worse than death. That's hyperbolic. (Not that I'm encouraging this macabre line of thought, but) There would be higher suicide rates among SA survivors if this were true. A bear is more likely to eat you alive than kill you. Have a lady sit down and watch The Revenant before answering this question.

I understand why women feel the way that they feel, but their feelings are based on a narrative not facts. I had a conversation about this bear thing with my wife last week. Unfortunately my wife believes that out of the 170 million men in this country, the vast majority are predators! It makes no sense. I didn't want to argue with my wife about this, so I just told her I didn't agree with her assessment, & moved on. However, I would challenge women to be honest & ask themselves: How many men have they come in contact with in their lives that didn't attack, rape, moleste, try to have sex with them, etc.? I am sure if they're honest, that the majority of men that they have encountered haven't done any of these things. I did talk to my wife about the unreported SA numbers. My wife believes that the unreported numbers are 10 times the reported numbers. I told my wife that I don't believe that & I believe that it is a relatively small percentage of men compared to the actual population of men that are doing this. & by women not reporting, they are allowing that man to go & do it to more women. My wife disagreed. Even though human nature shows that if you don't face a negative consequence for your actions, you are more likely to repeat that action until you do. Keep in mind that she knows a man that raped 5 women that she knows before he got caught. 4 of the 5 women didn't report it until he was arrested. You can't make this shit up.

There are women who are so immature or traumatized, that their fear of men is greater than their fear of a bear. I understand.

Regardless of your opinion on the subject, the one thing we can agree on is that women clearly view men in general as threatening and that's a serious problem. What makes the rabbit hole even deeper is that even though women generally view men as threatening, they also would expect a man to save them if he is a witness to another man doing her harm. You would not expect that if you truly thought most if not all men are bad. This demonstrates that the thoughts around this issue are not logical but based almost primarily on feelings. I had a convo with my girlfriend, who is generally very much level headed, and to my surprise she chose bear. We spoke about it and she explained her perspective but did on her own acknowledge that alot of women's perspective on this is not rational. She could see it in real time but I could tell the FEELING was still there. That FEELING is at the heart of a lot of our problems with each other. Fortunately my lady could see it

You can't care what a woman has to say sometimes.

Why FD Signifier steal your setup bro😂😂?

such beautiful intellectual insight...but I must say in all fairness women don't understand the powerful prowess of a bear...man/men cannot run at almost 40 mph and be calculated at 9 ft tall, but a grizzly bear can/is men don't have the mental capacity of natural animalistic carnivore-ish hunger that a bear has (unless they're sick in the brain) however, yes as you've stated looking through that glass of reality, some things are far worse than death.

You've been had

FUCK WHAT THEY TALKING ABOUT, THEY ARE NOT CHOOSING THE BEAR MY G!

I don't even know why men are arguing. It's been fun though. Seeing people pull out stats to buttress their point and seeing people adding more nuance or in some cases beinh reductive. My mentality from the start of this discourse has been that let women decide what they want. It's their choice 🤷🏿‍♂️. Whatever answer they give is okay with me, so i don't understand the back and forth. Men, let women make their minds up and you act accordingly. It shouldn't be this hard tbh

One thing I've hated about tick toxic is the vaguely short videos that always lack context. Basically, love the bear because it'll run away or off her and hate the man because of "xyz." (something never experienced) Considering the percentage of the type of males they choose and are in the same environment as, those numbers should be highlighted. Seems like that puzzle almost never pieces together in women's logic.

Ill keep saying this for clarity. Ladies are answering: what am i more afriad of. Men are answeing: what is most dangerous. The fact that theres no overlap between the two is causing issues... issues from the ladies answer. Even if we try to get the lesson from it that "the worst the bear can do is kill you", i take that as even lessor amount of men will go further than killing you. That compared against all men encountered in a lifetime... still adds to you being more afriad of the less dangerous choice. A single line of acknowledge of this would quite frankly not give ammo for men to speak on it. But they choose their words without giving any ground, so here we are.

So because some men are bad, some men cat call a maturing physique some women have been violated. The bear is a better option? Even with all of the good men, the good men that have done good by women. The fact that two heads are better than one in the woods, in ways of protection and provision, help of finding a way out of the situation? The bear is a better option? That answer is fully emotionally charged by underlying misandry. Flat tire they call men Heavy objects they call men Tight jars, DIY handyman jobs, scary intense moments they call men. Bear vs Man, bear. Ok

I stopped listening at about half way through. All of these conversations are exhausting. Everyone needs to disconnect from each other and go heal. All these circular conversations about who hurt who is just a trauma bond circle jerk. Damn, we get it people hurt people, the schitt ain't gender specific. It's your responsibility to heal and be a better person to stop the cycle of hurt. I'm done...good luck fellas

I personally think the argument is a bit contradictory from the female standpoint. On one hand, women repel the catcalling, emotional games, assaults, etc from men…on the other hand they want to know why men aren’t approaching them anymore, being emotionally available, nor physically available to an extent. I think it boils down negative male imagery and personal discernment.

People who believe traumatic experiences can be worse than death have likely not dealt with death. I have held the hands of those who have been through those things as they died- it's a whole diff thing.

I love how us men are trying to make sense of this and be objective. Lol there’s nothing to make sense here it’s a freaking bear lmao

When the premise is men are horrible human beings you get answers like that. So should I feel inclined to help women in any way if they see me as a threat? If they thought I was attractive would they still choose the bear? If women are justified in thinking this way then men are also justified in their negative perspective of women as well but only one is demonized for thinking a certain way.

People are underestimating what a bear will do to your body while you’re alive.

Women fear SA more than they do death. That’s the only reason why they pick the bear.

Ok, let them choose the bear.

Honestly the rebuttal of, "the worst a bear can do to me is kill me" is something my wife and I have addressed already. We also have 3 daughters. Here's the deal, I still choose the man and so does my wife. Yes a startling amount of women have been assaulted, still doesn't out number bear attacks. Women get plenty of cat calls yes, but that's not reflective of actual attacks. In most men improvement circles, the number one thing they teach is confidence and courage. Your argument implies is all the takes is for a man to be alone and he is instantly going on the attack. How many men do you have to remind to "shoot your shot"? I would rather have more faith in the common man that if my daughter is in the woods alone she would find more help from the man than trying to avoid a bear. As someone with the experience of losing a child, I can't tell you I would choose death for them over learning and living. And I think that's the real part of the conversation that's been revealed. Do you choose hope/life lesson or death? Do you fight on our give up?

I’d love to find a man vs bear t shirt for the gym

Question, which can do more harm, a 900 lb bear or a 900 lb man? 1st off, there have been bad men in the world since people have been around, but way more good men. Sorry ladies, you are not men so you don't always get to do what men do. Even then, many men don't do what other men do either. Check the stats if you don't believe me.

The funny thing that most of the guys are missing isn't that these individuals would prefer being consumed. My issue is the same that I've had to deal with from childhood. Being branded as a demon of sorts. (especially considering the amount of times I risked my health and life for people to willfully endanger themselves) What turns my stomach is the fact that I again have to be compared with animals, and walking dangers meat grinders. It's no different from, trying to help a photographer (in England as a child) when she dropped her camera bag and her lenses were rolling all over the place.

The movie Deliverence... End of discussion. Oh Misery too. 😆

So what is the pig part of the argument?

The issue is selection, picking the worst man over and over would make the bear look good. Modern woman love horrible men , conversation over

Yeah I found myself in the convo on IG and like most guys I didn't and still don't completely get it. A young lady expressed the worst thing the bear would do is kill and that made me think about it differently.

Nah not trying to be dismissive, I can see their side but when they bring up stats it don’t really help their case, most people don’t really live around bears to begin with 😂🤷🏽‍♂️ and then it’s like why is the assumption that the man is going to do something evil automatically? He could be a park ranger or something😂 I think this showcases what a lot of people have been saying, that men generally speaking are viewed as a “threat” while vvomen are generally viewed as “innocent”. I wonder what their answer would be if the man was swapped for a vvoman honestly cuz that could be said for both men and vvomen doing things that are worst than death to another person But I do get what you’re saying about teaching your daughter, and how men teach to survive.

This is two conversations forced into one under a heading that just makes no sense. Firstly, the discussion surrounding womens safety around men, and how they can't tell a good man from a dangerous one is valid and one men need to hear. One i soeak on often in fact because we just dont experience the world through that lens so have little perspective. Secondly, The idea that a woman would "feel" realtively safer with a bear vs a man is about her feelings. Not much else. Feelings. And those feeling are based on the romanticisation of what a bear is, almost fairy taling the nature of a bear. It also suggests a bunch of santising conditions that are not given the other way; the bear is minding its own business, the bear is way deep in the woods and not necessarily right next to her, the bear is a black bear and not a brown or a grizzly. On the other side, the man is right next to her. He is also the worst of what a man can be. From the offset the story makes no sense. Finally, as i said, it is forcing the very valid narrative of men not understanding womens feelings around safety, and the unpredictability of men, under the heading of men are more dangerous than bears. Its this comparison/narrative that invalidates the narrative in this instance, nit the narrative itself. It is further compounded by the fact they start doing grade school level statistical interpretaion. Women are killed more often than men than bears wrgo men are more dangerous. People are actually saying that. If we used the same logic, women are more dangerous to men than bears are. In fact, we can go a step further and say ladders are more dangerous than great white sharks. Its the forced framing of the discussion around bears vs men that makes no sense, not the subject matter of womens safety. And it is deliberately framed this way because men will inevitably disagree but without the necessary vocabulary to do so articulately, and this will be used as evidenece that men dont care and dont listen. Its the classic motte and bailey fallacy, but with an extra step or two. Present an agreeable premise, and then draw from that premise a compleltt disagreeable conclusion, and have the fact that people disagree with the conclusion serve as evidence peoppe disagreed with the premise. Its dishonest and fallacious. The whole framing of this, the failure to recognise what the hell a bear is, and the romanticisation of dying that women are wont to do, really illutsrates the divergence of logical analysis vs romantic, emotional "i want it to be this way" thought. Youve kinda fallen into the latter camp on this Alas, igbo kwenu as always

Yeah no. This is a perfect example of not learning the reality of the world. It goes back to how She feels vs. how He rationalize. It's a f###ing bear! Feels matter for the rich himan experience. Rationale matters when it comes to survival and getting outcomes... smh

Thank you for this. Unless you have moved through this life in a female body, as you said from age 11 up, you really don't know what it is to fear for your safety. It's one thing to be cat called or pinched on the behind while riding the subway- not to mention actual assault from a man who claims to love and care for you. One in four is not a small number.

She must’ve gaslighted you in oblivion. Regardless if we know where their argument is coming from its illogical. Again you are overestimating how evil most men. It’s not rational to base this convo off the most evilest thing a man can do lol.

I think these feminists should start hanging out in areas known for being occupied by bears and show us how much more safe they are with bears than with men.

I've been on cabin trips with my girlfriend and multiple couples out in the woods... TWO of those times wild animals appeared.... one was a bear one was a fox... both times they were scared SHITLESS.... they damn near wanted us to pull guard shifts while they slept.... so you have to ask why the lie.... and the answer is simple... they just trying to tell you that you ain't shit yet again.... because they COULD tell the truth AND deliver the message but they have chosen not to.... 7:07

Serious question: Why are we listening to what women say or want?

4:00 1 in 4 is not that different from 1 in 9

Lmao choosing a bear is wild work I’m sorry

Hypothetically speaking, if you were walking down a dark alleyway would you rather come across a white man or a black man? If white man why? If black man why?

😂 I'll be the sacrificial lamb here and say "hey go ahead choose the bear" BECAUSE the bear doesn't care to procreate with a human, doesn't have a need to care for our lives continuation 😂 No shit they are saying the bear it's convenient and bypass all need for us. I'm loving the wilderness, life is humbling, in learning to be of service and enjoy listening to all this chaos, y'all are fixing it, proud of y'all. You can clearly see that each time a "top of the pyramid" person gets hit with one of the Meeks problems THEN it becomes a need to change... Low class is becoming middle class, drizzle drizzle 🤣

After watching 5 times and seeing all the 'f what they feel and you sound dumb for siding with them' posts, it's clear there's some hurt males who won't differentiate the female spewing dumb stuff she never experienced from the women who have been sxually or ment-ali ah-salted. It is a deep conversation that most men can have without being excessively emotional like some women do, or so i thought. Abuse is a topic a lot of women can't always put into words easily and half of the issue is absent good male role models. And that's usually the common problem ive noticed on another channel i watch of street interviews of homeless youth.

Waiting for Kendrick vs Drake

Ok, a few things. If women are so anti strange man and pro/ bear then put down everything that a strange man has made for you and go be with the bears. Secondly, if we were in a society of 40% women, 35% men, and 25% bear, what do you think would happen to them? Any time a stronger force is consistently around a weaker force, the weaker force is going to be compromised until there is a force that equalizes them. Why are children consistently being abused/killed by their mothers. Why are teachers abusing students. Bosses abusing workers. Are you going to replace all of those superior forces with bears because they’re statistically less likely to attack you?

I have never heard a dumber take In my life than this. All you have to do to see how insane this is, is to flip it or add race to it Black man vs Bear. Black Woman vs Bear Hispanic man vs Bear It’s obvious Bear is the danger in 10/10 scenarios

Can a bear point you in the direction of town? Let's tack attack out of it, except for Yogi and Winnie; what bear is going to slow down and point you in the way of pic a nic baskets and people? But like you I had to stop listening to just what they are saying and dive into what was actually being said by women's answers to that question.