Man O' War...

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17 жыл бұрын

A newer, better version with the same song and all. This time with videos.
Have you wondered what it was like to see Man O' War take on Sir Barton? John P. Grier? Go to www.freehorseracegame.com and you can experience that from the grandstand, over head, and even on his back.

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@SageRiddle 17 жыл бұрын

Very true. I went to Kentucky Horse Park 5 years ago and they had the retired model horse of him. I got it in a heartbeat and I haven't seen it sense. I also have a signed photograph of him. He's just amazing.

@clevii 17 жыл бұрын

Your Man o' War montage was so lovely it made me cry. I don't always get so sappy but I have been a fan of Big Red since I was a young kid, though I came along too late to see him on the track or off and all I could do was visit his grave to pay my respects and say Hey big beautiful horse.... So yeah, I found this very moving--gave me goosebumps and tears all at once! Thanks so very much.

@MiffetBlue 5 жыл бұрын

maewkaew me too, the music was inspiring.........

@luannburchard4668 4 жыл бұрын

With comparing the comformation of the two horses. Man O' War had the tall lanky build plus the muscular build that could carry him fsr away from Secratariat any time of the day. Also once he was im the lead he would be held back but not on this day he would have his work cut out fore him. But he would win in the end. Our Mighty Man O' War. There will be only one lie him & one Sevretsiat. Secritsiat was a long distance cousin of Man O" War

@barbaraphear8298 Жыл бұрын

This is a piece of history of the most wonderful race horse in history. 😢😂❤ I was a baby when he was racing. There is something about his photos. He never changed his expression. It was you want a race horse you got it. Thank you for such a treasure.

@sharonleekeim Жыл бұрын

I have been in love with Man O' War as long as I remember. Most kids had posters of bands on their ceiling to look at, I had Man O' War LOVE LOVE LOVE him

@heatherdobson7151 3 жыл бұрын

Truly a beautiful horse, a champion, and a legend!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️

@captainamericaamerica8090 Жыл бұрын

Still strong bloodlines at stud. Amazing.

@SageRiddle 17 жыл бұрын

He's just amazing. My grandfather was nuts about him and cried when he died

@misstinywho 13 жыл бұрын

I think that they are all amazing. Naturally, everyone is going to have a preference as to whom they think is the best. The fact of the matter is, that for whatever reasons, MANY horses have captured the imaginations of horse lovers around the world. I'm not a religious person by any means, but when horses were created, perfection (in many forms - fastest, strongest, most courageous, most beautiful, etc) was created too. All of the great horses in racing history deserve accolades.

@thefunkyJ 10 жыл бұрын

I love the image of Man O' War drinking out out of the trophy that he had won.

@carlykaiser 17 жыл бұрын

Thats why I make these videos, for reactions like that. Very glad you liked it so much =D

@JoSinger14 17 жыл бұрын

Goosebumps here. This was just magnificent. Thank you for honoring this great horse so beautifully. Jo

@nicmart 6 жыл бұрын

The earliest photo of MOW was taken with my grandfather holding him. Mr. Martin was MOW’s first trainer and the first to ride him. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1e/Man_o%27_War_with_trainer_Joseph_Bryan_Martin.jpeg

@theOlLineRebel Жыл бұрын

Seen it before. Looks like man is from the '40s, not '10s.

@nicmart Жыл бұрын

@@theOlLineRebel Man o War was a weanling, young and small in the photo. He was old and died in the 1940s.

@theOlLineRebel Жыл бұрын

@@nicmart Not my point. The photo has a man who looks like he is dressed c. 1940s. He does not look like a man from the 1910s. Thus, I have never believed this photo is Man O'War. In fact, I don't recall a "foal photo of MOW" that I believe actually makes sense enough to be him (another famous one has a huge stripe on his face - no way that is MOW). I can't believe they were even ready to take photos so easily in 1917.

@nicmart Жыл бұрын

@@theOlLineRebel Maybe you could write your posts so their point is clearer. You are responding to a post about a different photo.

@theOlLineRebel Жыл бұрын

@@nicmart Sorry, the photo is linked so I know which I mean. This photo looks totally wrong era. I could be wrong but most of the time it has not been adequately sourced and referred. Another example, the alleged photo of MOW racing, but the horse is the filly Step Lightly - for on thing, MOW never ran in a race of 19 horses (blanket number). Even in "reputable" sources this bogus photo is displayed (Cooper & Treat). How much more questionable are generic-looking foal pix.

@downhomesunset 17 жыл бұрын

a gem,as I have learned to expect each time I see a new one from you. great work Carly

@seamesse 11 жыл бұрын

I love the heavy breathing at the end -- followed by lesser horses trying to catch up. Thank you for this wonderful clip....

@MiffetBlue 5 жыл бұрын

Simply the best, and I am in awe.........🐎❤️🇨🇦

@bon1042 16 жыл бұрын

He takes my breath away, at 1:40, 2:43, at 2:18 drinking fm winner's cup, 4:03 'lookin' right atcha', 3:47, on Ebay there was a TB Record w/red background that had that pic of him risen up on hind legs... and 3:07 with Will Harbut... well that says it all for me. My eyes filled with tears. Tho my heart is with Secretariat, this is why comparing any of them is meaningless... a world that hadn't had Man O'War, Secretariat, and others wld be that much poorer.

@elitewellnesstraining 9 жыл бұрын

LOVE..LOVE MAN O' WAR!!

@LadyTwenties 17 жыл бұрын

Incredible, amazing horse! Fantastic tribute to a champion! :)

@silvermoon2003 16 жыл бұрын

I love this video.....He's my all time favorite horse..

@larrylomascolo6289 5 жыл бұрын

Whata time racing with oats and hay and some lineaments for tendons ,natural god given talent,super horse

@theOlLineRebel Жыл бұрын

MOW ran without ANY special equipment. Just a simple bridle and saddle. He didn't even run with rear bandages (often for sand-chafing), much less front (weak legs). No hood/blinkers, no shadow roll - he was the perfect running machine.

@larrylomascolo6289 Жыл бұрын

@@theOlLineRebel your a horseman,rating Flightline to Secretariat what you say,i wish he ran at 4,this monster was gettin better each start, ,and only shadow roll, hand riden home

@captainamericaamerica8090 Жыл бұрын

NOT GOD. GOD IS A MAN' MADE FAIRY TALE FOR SHEEP🐑🐑🐑

@theOlLineRebel Жыл бұрын

@@captainamericaamerica8090 God is not a fairy tale, not to me. In any case, don't belittle so. As if atheists never behave like sheep or demand people be sheep. Communist societies prove this over and over.

@captainamericaamerica8090 Жыл бұрын

@@theOlLineRebel You've proved over that you're living in fairy land of make believe. You need a CRUTCH. I DON'T! SO YOU'RE THE SHEEP HERE.

@DOLARNICK Жыл бұрын

The greatest horse of all time

@Venya9 17 жыл бұрын

He was Eclipse and Secretariat. Or Eclipse was him and Sec. That's what I think. All of them amazing chestnut racehorses. Anyway nice vid, MOW is my all time favourite racehorse, I wish I would've been there see him run.

@CarolanIvey 9 жыл бұрын

I recently went to the Kentucky Horse Park for the first time and when I showed my husband the length of Man o' War's stride compared to Secretariat's and John Henry's his mouth dropped open!

@equine2020 10 ай бұрын

Horses are magical. As an owner of thoroughbreds, I know 1st hand of their qualities. He was a great magnificent animal.

@carlykaiser 17 жыл бұрын

Accualy, he was 2nd highest priced at his auction. And he retired, not because everyone was scared, but in handicaps he would carry 150lbs, Riddle didn't want that.

@Ivory3100 4 жыл бұрын

He was soooo beautiful. I can't imagine who would want to race their horse against him. No chance of winning.

@carlykaiser 17 жыл бұрын

At least he died at an old age. He had a wonderful life.

@wayneharris9263 Жыл бұрын

What a beautiful horse!!!!

@theOlLineRebel 15 жыл бұрын

The fact is MOW held 8 TRs total (3 TR, 2 AR, 3 WR), along with 2 stakes records as a 2yo. And he proved them with the margins - likely he had high BSFs. No-one has set records as MOW.

@BE109 16 жыл бұрын

I admit to being guilty of the folly of comparing horses from different generations. I do not think there is anything wrong with doing so. I have total respect for ALL the great ones. As for Man O' War, he is and always will be the FIRST HORSE to grip the American imagination! Take a horse with 75% of his talent and you can put him (or her) in my barn anytime.

@winstonwalford5471 Жыл бұрын

Man O' War and Secretariat are from the same lineage of Fair Play. The stallion of thoroughbreds

@Whoopdido777 Жыл бұрын

Yeah I can’t keep the lineage straight, but I’m pretty sure MOW, War Admiral, Seabiscuit and Secretariat are all related. In an alternate universe I wouldn’t mind having a farm and owning those 4 beauties.

@carlykaiser 16 жыл бұрын

The groom's name is Will Harbut

@equine2020 10 ай бұрын

The greatest. He sired many Outstanding horses.

@misstinywho 13 жыл бұрын

@greatbigbubby You asked about my horses... My first horse was a thoroughbred whom I named Sugar Magnolia (after a Grateful Dead song). She was wonderful but developed a hip problem and couldn't jump anymore. My second horse is a quarter horse mare (was a champion reining horse). Her name is Miss Tiny Who, but the person I got her from called her Dixie. I ride her hunter/jumper and do LOTS of trails with her. Sugar passed away in the spring of 2010.

@theOlLineRebel 15 жыл бұрын

Actually that is a common conclusion, and seems proven by the record. In fact, Riddle was concerned the horse would be broken by the high weights Vosburgh suggested for the next year. He wasn't as worried about losing as about hurting the horse. Just being careful. Somehow I don't think that applies to MOW, who was tough as nails - look how many times he hurt himself and kept winning. No wimp was he; no abcess on a lip would've hurt his running.

@rebecca11391 17 жыл бұрын

there's a man who lives near me who was a part time owner of him (he died like last summer or something) i think his last name was fitzdickson? but anyway, great vid, he truely was the greatest racehorse ever

@theOlLineRebel 15 жыл бұрын

You cannot directly compare times! This is why Andy Beyer developed his Beyer Speed Figures. He knew that track variants can vary DAILY at the SAME track much less over years at different tracks! The tracks had very different make-ups even over the 50 years between those horses. Never mind other changes (steel on one's feet vs. light and airy aluminum).

@seggymon 17 жыл бұрын

Man O' War= the GREATEST racehorse EVER. great tribute to the fastest, most amazing, and best horse ever to set foot on the track. =]

@theOlLineRebel 17 жыл бұрын

I don't think that was necessarily the case. Although it may have happened after races had passed! This beautiful painting was done by a Canadian a short while ago. It was a celebration of the Sir Barton match race. Sir Barton was owned by the Canadian JKL Ross, and the race was in Canada at Kenilworth Park.

@Dorian-wf1iv 4 ай бұрын

Man o war is a grandsire of seabiscuit what a legend ❤❤❤❤❤❤

@carlykaiser 16 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@captainamericaamerica8090 Жыл бұрын

Beauty

@carlykaiser 16 жыл бұрын

Sam Riddle himself that MOW was retired because he would be carrying 150lbs+ and because he had no one left to beat.

@evyn10014 13 жыл бұрын

@cmf4321 Then Fager is in the running for #1. His mile record still stands on dirt, only equalled by a horse running with far less weight.

@Szheherazad 16 жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh! You guys...watch the video part of Man O'War vs Sir Barton clip. The jockey on MOW is leaning in towards the rail like a motorcycle rider! Sheesh...MOW is MOVING! LOL! love it!

@GBeret83 14 жыл бұрын

For the horse that many consider the greatest, or #1 ranked thoroughbred of all time, he sure did have a sway back. But he sure could run like the wind!!!

@theOlLineRebel Жыл бұрын

You may be thinking of the old stallion.

@Sherlock1217 16 жыл бұрын

Because Sam Riddle didn't think a 3 year old horse should run 1 1/4 miles in early May, so he held him out of the Derby. It wasn't known as the Triple Crown back then, so it wasn't a big deal. Thoroughbred racing was a dying sport till Man o' War shocked the world. Not to mention he would have had to ship him by train all the way to Kentucky then back for the Preakness.

@Szheherazad 16 жыл бұрын

Sam Riddle also refused to send Man O'War to the kentucky Derby stating that the race was too long a distance too early in the year...again, looking out for Man O'War's welfare. Personally, I think he could have carried the weight, but just for a race or two before it would have taken its toll...but then what would have been the point? Awesome vid, thanks for sharing Carly.

@TimesUp777 Жыл бұрын

And how would you know that ManOWar could have carried the weight? You weren't even around to see the horse so how could you even make that statement? What some of you people dont come up with.!! 🤣😃😃😃😃😃

@carlykaiser 16 жыл бұрын

I agree with Sam not sending him to the derby. Racing was really only in New England. The racing America cared about. Why ship a horse, by train, all the way to Kentucky for one race no one really cared about, then go all the way back to Maryland for the Preakness, a race people really do care about. No one really cared about the derby at the time. The real races were the Preakness and Belmont. And though Sir Barton won the "triple crown" it wasn't known then.

@Ashley.falcon 17 жыл бұрын

its said you could'nt really tell how fast he was unless he was running with other horses becuse his strides were so big. He actually had alot left in him after he retired, but peaple were afraid to race him becuse he beats everyone. Also wehn he was a yearling peaple didnot want him becuse they thought he would stumble over his own feet becuse he was so tall.

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@MelC54 Then MOW's recorded times in training of :11 for a furlong and :33 for 3 should count, too, eh? After all, he "ran it".

@carlykaiser 16 жыл бұрын

OH man. I never noticed that!

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@BigPetrov BTW, I just watched a "clip" show from MSG (Madison Square Garden) network the other day. Don't know what its point was, but mostly they showed old Travers clips from '70s on. Before all that, they had a whole thing on Sec's loss to Onion in the Whitney, including commentary by Allen Jerkens. Jerkens ended saying he didn't think Sec was any better than Citation or Slew. Last word: "He could be had." No mention of the fevers by narrator, either.

@carlykaiser 17 жыл бұрын

Of MOW, or just in general?

@theOlLineRebel 14 жыл бұрын

@theOlLineRebel I must correct myself. MOW did not have an *additional* race record; it was just that the existing TR should've been upgraded to American/world record (along with Sir Barton). So he still would be 8 total.

@gizmosgal 16 жыл бұрын

My horse is related to him. =]

@carlykaiser 17 жыл бұрын

=D Thanks so much!

@gingereaves4097 Жыл бұрын

He is gorgeous! I can't believe his stride! I wish I could have seen him, but I wasn't born. I wonder what his personality was like!

@theOlLineRebel 16 жыл бұрын

BTW, where it says "equaled and tied" - should be something such as "tied and bettered". "Equal" and "tie" being the same thing. Specifically, 1 tied, 2 bettered for the track marks only. Not to mention the ARs and WRs.

@SageRiddle 17 жыл бұрын

One of his jockeys. I don't have it with me right now. Its of him at Saratoga.

@AngeloSlyfox7 17 жыл бұрын

what's with that picture at about 2:10 into the video? did they allow people to stand on the track back then and cheer as the horses ran by? what the heck is that all about? haha

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@MelC54 I still want to know the source of this timing of a gallop-out for 1-5/8. The few people who mention it, none cites the source. Who did this? Who reported it? Either way, times 50 years apart are very different for many reasons - see the technologies involved. You cannot compare them directly; even Andy Beyer knows you can't even compare the same track directly on 2 consecutive days when the technologies are the same.

@carlykaiser 16 жыл бұрын

Go see my latest video on Man O' War All videos, no photos.

@carlykaiser 17 жыл бұрын

Its a painting, of the match race...? What are you questining?

@carlykaiser 16 жыл бұрын

I meant New York. Whoops. I was watch and Patriots clip ^^ Thanks for catching that!

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@rscarbro100 I didn't say there is no source; I want to SEE it. I've never even heard of this stuff until a year ago, after debating on racing forums for 15 years. DR "Manual"? What and where exactly, please? "Hatton Sec. PPs" - what does that mean?

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@BigPetrov The abscess, and maybe even the fever, are now being called into question. There is no public documentation of an abscess for the Wood - the only info via vet is that he had one between the Wood and Derby, and it popped only days before the Derby. It was apparently never mentioned in public discourse - strange if you want to excuse your horse. The fever likewise seems unmentioned after Whitney time, or only sporadically.

@TimesUp777 Жыл бұрын

Bill Nack who followed Secretariat very closely said that Secretariat had the abscess. It's in a video on KZfaq.

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@BigPetrov I've heard that or similar (not sure that Cicada wore them). I've also heard Penny wanted an easy way to identify them on the track. I've also heard Secretariat was a "lover" and a bit distractable so they "needed" it. But those are only various rumors I've seen - haven't seen any mention about blinkers in actual publications.

@misstinywho 13 жыл бұрын

@greatbigbubby That's my hope!

@misstinywho 13 жыл бұрын

@greatbigbubby - hey, I'm sorry. When I said I was "not a religious person by any means", I meant I'm not a big fan of organized religion. I actually sport a bumper sticker that has a picture of my 2 horses and says "Horses are proof God loves us."

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@bbmtge Why? I have DirectTV. som 600 channels. I search for "horse" and "horse racing" frequently on the DVR and record things. Sometimes we have to watch the races on MSG.

@ciaranspiddal 14 жыл бұрын

@FlashyJewel Secretariat's record was 16 from 21. He was awesome. Just don't give out about other people's facts when yours are flawed. We all love horse racing , no need to argue. Peace

@theOlLineRebel 15 жыл бұрын

?? The music is from "Rudy". Maybe they used it for that trailer because they didn't have any music yet.

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@bbmtge Are these articles *timely*? I.e., April-May 1973? Because I'd think the DRF would write about that, rather than constantly about an "inexplicable" loss like the Wood. Too bad this stupid site doesn't allow direct hyperlinks.

@carlykaiser 17 жыл бұрын

princessofwales?

@carlykaiser 17 жыл бұрын

Clearance Kummer?

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@bbmtge I'm just citing Jerkens because everyone makes it out that every horseman thinks Secretariat was best. He seemed an exception. That doesn't mean Jerkens honestly believed his horses were better than Sec - obviously that would be silly. He just stated he didn't think Sec was any different class than BigCy or Slew. Personally I think Sec was better than they, but that's just me. Interesting to hear an "expert" for his differing opinion.

@captainamericaamerica8090 Жыл бұрын

Sec was NOT BETTER. CHEAPER HORSES BEAT SEC. JERKENS' WAS RIGHT

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@bbmtge No, I wouldn't expect him to say that. Lots of trainers (top ones) have had their horses beat XXX great or top horse and still said the great/top horse was better. I didn't say that Slew was in the same class; just reiterating 1 man's opinion. There wasn't much analysis because it wasn't an analytical show - just very brief commentary from a very brief overview (~10 min) of a particular race. Maybe he'd give more if asked. But we don't know.

@carlykaiser 17 жыл бұрын

Breyer model? I have that one too! Signed? Who by?

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@rscarbro100 Actually, if you mean the DRF's American Racing Manual, of 1974, perhaps I could check that easily. I have ARMs straight from 1955 to 1977 or so. Interesting - Hatton wrote c.1967 in those ARMs that he didn't like horses who wore "the rogue's badge" - blinkers. They do indicate a flaw in purity. Guess he dropped that idea.

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@BigPetrov As for the "last-minute" Woodward - they had him entered in case things were wet so Riva Ridge wouldn't have to run. There is no doubt NY tracks in the Sept/Oct could get wet, so that is a "lame" excuse. Maybe Laurin was really incompetent and despite knowing a wet track could happen, didn't bother ensuring Sec could be put in. Of course, he was a superhorse, so it shouldn't matter - maybe that's what Laurin thought as well as his supporters. But it did matter, apparently.

@theOlLineRebel 17 жыл бұрын

He was not tangled with Bro Derek.

@theOlLineRebel 14 жыл бұрын

@FlashyJewel Sec never ran as frequently as MOW. Check out the break-times.

@manikato75 14 жыл бұрын

@cmf4321 ,so does that make Spectacular bid the greatest over 1 1/4 miles??cause his record still stands after 30 years?? time is just a small factor in horse racing,there are more important factors,track,type of going,pressure being blocked for a run,ist easier to win a 1 and a half mile race with 5 horses competing,than a 2mile handicap with 24 horses running Kingston Rule has the faster time for the melbourne cup richest 2mile race in the world yet he isnt even rated in the top 100 horses

@carlykaiser 16 жыл бұрын

He didn't run in the Derby

@theOlLineRebel 17 жыл бұрын

I do not think MOW was 2nd highest. He was not "cheap", but IIRC at $5000 he would've been about the top half or so. Also IIRC the top price was about $15k, a considerable leap from 5k.

@carlykaiser 16 жыл бұрын

He was looking out for the welfare of the horse. I honestly don't know much about Seabiscuit, but the only horse I know off the top of my head to carry 150lbs is Phar Lap, and he lost.

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@BigPetrov Look at SI archives and DRF archives. There is no public record apparently that whole year - no mention in horsie news - that Secretariat had any excuse for the Wood. Constantly called "inexplicable". The VET film was only in the last 10 years, and he was recollecting from some 30 years out. That also conflicted with what NACK wrote in his (in)famous "Bible" of Sec, whom I suspect is behind alot of myths about Sec, as he is a total flackey big on poetic license.

@theOlLineRebel 15 жыл бұрын

No, Sec's 1-5/8 was 2:41+change.

@theOlLineRebel 14 жыл бұрын

@cmf4321 Phar Lap ran 40 years prior to Sec, and MOW earlier. Sec hasn't been GONE that long! We'll see if he still holds them as MOW held various records for 30-70 years!

@TimesUp777 Жыл бұрын

The Derby, Preakness, and Belmont have all been going for over 140 years. Secretariat holds the records in all 3 races. He has beaten an awful lot of horses in those 140 years plus.

@theOlLineRebel Жыл бұрын

@@TimesUp777 Yes, but you aren't accounting for many different conditions. And they are really only track records, not all-time (the Belmont is ONLY dirt - in '73 it wasn't even then an all-around absolute world record. That was held by Fiddle Isle, who had broken the great Kelso's record also faster than Secretariat). MOW has no such qualifiers on his WRs, etc.

@TimesUp777 Жыл бұрын

@@theOlLineRebel from what I have read Secretariat does have a world record. Even if he doesnt he has the records in the TC races which is the greatest test in horse racing by far. Running those 3 races in 5 weeks isnt easy which is why their is rarely a TC winner. Btw, I noticed that when I replied to you that your comments were from 12 years ago. Glad to see you are still kicking. ✌😃

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@BigPetrov I disagree. Any injury - especially to the running gear - during a race is a legitimate excuse, I'd say. The question here is that some have raised the possibility that the Sec excuses weren't quite true. Maybe they are, but I'd like to look into it more than just go on the say-so of forum people. In Ray Wolfe's book, e.g., he never mentions an abscess IIRC. Just "the horse wasn't right" sort of thing.

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@BigPetrov It's very possible he was hampered - although I think you need very good reasons. Mostly, something that happened in the race a`la Alysheba's fall or Touch Gold's. Or War Admiral or Count Fleet cutting themselves and bleeding during it. But they won. The fact we can't seem to find direct reference to a mouth abscess in the news reports, e.g., before the Derby or well after it is strange - maybe it WASN'T a reason at all.

@TimesUp777 Жыл бұрын

Bill Nack followed Secretariat and he said that Secretariat had a mouth abscess.

@theOlLineRebel Жыл бұрын

@@TimesUp777 Bill Nack was a lackey for Sec. A schoolgirl. He is the ONLY reference for having a tooth abscess right at the Wood. The vet who checked on it checked on Tuesday (there was a YT film of him discussing this years ago - don't know if it still exists), not Saturday or Sunday. Further, the Ray Woolfe book doesn't mention it. And most damning of all - ZERO media reports about it for months. A researcher said it was a year, but my own checks into 1973 reveal DRF reporter still mystified why Sec lost the Wood - in August. Every time there is some lore about poor ol'Sec (abscess, votes on greatest, etc), it's Nack - I lost any faith he is truthful. Nack the lackey.

@TimesUp777 Жыл бұрын

@@theOlLineRebel it was in the Secretariat movie so apparently Penny Chenery must have knew about it or they probably wouldn't have put it in the movie. It doesn't really matter if he had it or not Secretariat list races because they raced him a the damn time. 2 different times he raced on 9 days rest and during his 21 races in 16 months he raced an average of a little over 1 time per month! That is running a horse to death. It says that Man O War raced for 2 years. Regardless, they are both great horses. Btw. Just because something isnt documented on paper doesn't mean it didn't happen.

@theOlLineRebel Жыл бұрын

@@TimesUp777 Yes they are both super-great horses. We just get caught up in "who is #1", single placing. As for rest - MOW raced with 2 days between, and maximum - MAXIMUM - 28 days (every month). Average was 13 days (under 2 weeks), whereas Sec averaged 19 days (under 3 weeks). (Yes, I've been involved with these wars a very long time and have sifted the data myself, still on hand in the computer from primary sources.)

@theOlLineRebel 17 жыл бұрын

Great compositions! I like that you mentioned all his time records most accurately. Although, you need to correct the "TR" comment: "equalled and tied" are each the same meanings. 1 record was tied/equalled, 2 were new. Maybe you could add more data, such as max/average weight, days between races, etc? Also, you could mention he lowered a WR by 3+ seconds. (All this makes him look scarier!) Great summary, though, great music.

@TimesUp777 Жыл бұрын

Geez dude. Maybe you shouldn't complain and make the video yourself😭🤔

@theOlLineRebel Жыл бұрын

@@TimesUp777 Geez, I only made a couple comments. I've been in contact with the lady back then, very much. It's been a long time, though. Hope she is still OK. As for me, I don't know how to make films!

@TimesUp777 Жыл бұрын

@@theOlLineRebel okay. My bad!!

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@MelC1954 MOW does - the 1-5/8 at Belmont. Look it up, NYRA - Belmont site. Not sure about others, but probably not. And what is your point? Sec is 50 years younger. He's more likely to still hold records; that's not shocking.

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

@bbmtge The problem is sometimes things are simply repeated enough that people believe them, even when false. We need to look at primary sources, not after-the-fact 2nd-hand info. It's like the Man O'War stories - the "turned around" at the start is likely exaggeration and embellishment. It seems indeed he AND the other 2 outer horses were facing maybe sideways or not up to the start, but not facing backwards. They all got off poorly. Facing backwards sounds better, though.

@theOlLineRebel 15 жыл бұрын

"His great grand farther comes from morroco" Uhm....excuse me? Huh?

@carlykaiser 16 жыл бұрын

You do know that book is fictional right? Danny didn't exsist.

@carlykaiser 17 жыл бұрын

But, he was still the 2nd highest priced, to Golden Broom.

@theOlLineRebel 14 жыл бұрын

@cmf4321 "how MANY speed records a horse breaks shows his true greatness." You admit it. Then MOW blows away Secretariat. In 11 races at 3 he set 8 records. Sec only 5 in 12 starts. Even if you give Sec the Preakness and make 6, you can give MOW the 1-1/4 Amer/world record and make 9 (the Whisk Broom II was bogus, and minus that, Sir Barton and MOW would've set the next record).

@fromthefuture9999 4 жыл бұрын

The Hungarian Kincsem was the best he won every race. 51/51

@theOlLineRebel Жыл бұрын

He was a she, and Kincsem was an English-bred in a bush-league country. She was (officially - some suspect ringers) 54/54. That's like great KY bloodlines racing in Montana. Kincsem only ran TWICE in serious races, one in France, then in England in the Goodwood. She did win, but it was only 2. And 6 were walk-overs, so the real recap is more like 48/48. Still impressive, but highly suspect running a bunch of amateurs.

@theOlLineRebel 13 жыл бұрын

"Dr. Gilliam found the abcess before the race." Why did they race him, then (again, see Copelan film)? Between that and not prepping a horse they know very well could have to sub for a rainy track, these connections must've been very incompetent. Another thing that has more links - Thoroughbred Champions website forum (look it up - can't do links here), then the thread called "If there was a BC and a DWC starting in 1979..." (got way off topic) which includes this argument.

@theOlLineRebel 14 жыл бұрын

@FlashyJewel He does not beat MOW in stride, either, although those measurements are arguable as apples and oranges.