While that is one of my least favorite of his running jokes, that one is pretty good.

We should see that lack of the joke as a testament on how much Linkara LOATHES this film.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Jonathan Kent was also over there during the tornado scene. Bad luck.

@@SpawnRevenge92 you win comment of the year

Rubber lips are immune to Superman’s charms.

I think that’s literally a robot chicken skit

That's hilarious, did they address it in the dub at all or just a straight up translation.

@@tinkerer3399 Straight up translation: we usually don't diverge too much from the script, unless it's some wordplay or reference that wouldn't make sense in our language. It would have been funny though.

@@PMbarbieri Yeah, I was asking because I figured it would count under wordplay that wouldn't make sense in translation.

🤣 dude this comment made my day, thanks alot

Sounds like a Seasme Street skit

I was thinking the exact same thing.

I recall HISHE's Godzilla 2014 video where Superman lamented how more people cheered for Godzilla despite the monster causing destruction. Well, the simple answer is that Godzilla is not bound to human standards. He's a creature that is a force of nature that happens to put an end to an bigger problem. Superman, meanwhile, is supposed to be one who follows human customs and standards, and yet he fails at his job.

​@@cadethumann8605Yeah, and Godzilla has the excuse of being a giant monster fighting other giant monsters he can't exactly easily relocate them, like Superman can clearly do with the other kryptonians.

Ah, CGI sand and holograms, such overused effects in movies & TV shows

It Is Overused And Overrated

Which sucks, cus the theoretical tech behind that CGI sand (claytronics) is pretty amazing, so it becoming boring CGI tricks to shorthand how FUTURE someone is!

And it goes everywhere.

​@@gratuitouslurking8610 honestly I think some of the best cgi is when it's boring. like both mad max fury road and district 9 have a ton of cgi in them( not always in the obvious places), but most of it is designed for you not to notice it. Honestly the worst cgi is when it's your brain going "I can see the polygons! Omg it looks like a cartoon!" Like the cgi becomes a distraction and takes you out of the movie. on top of that Hollywood (and marvel and superheroes especially) aren't planned out enough in advanced for the cgi to look good in those movies, the cgi that looks better is when the director has a vision early on in the pipeline. Though I personally think people are a little harsh on the cgi, I feel if it gets the point across in the story and it's not super distracting that people shouldn't complain as much.

Exactly why wasn't this called the last son of krypton? That title makes way more sense and it fits the the story. Kinda like the dark knight. This movie can't even get that right 🤦

The problem lies with your last passage. You said a talented writer. This is Snyder

@@williamcorey4700 Well technically this movie was written by David S. Goyer. It wasn't until BvS that Snyder started getting more hands on with the writing.

Also your title idea would make the 1st scene relevant. As is its completly irrelevant with the "Man of Steel" title

@@DinoDave150 David S Goy...wasn't he behind Blade Trinity?

Oh good lord, _yes._

That idea is SO much better than what we actually ended up with.

It be jarring though with gow Jonathan seems to hate everyone

@@demianoff Oh for sure, it would require a complete rewrite of his character in the movie, I was just thinking of the one scene

Although that would mean that Jonathan cared more about Clark use his powers for good than let everyone die and keep his secret, and this movie can’t have that.

Is this real.. wow

@@AlSidre 🎵 Is this real life? Is it just fantasy? 🎶

Mark Miller: *watches Man Of Steel* Also Mark Miller: *goes home and sees the stuff he's made* Still Mark Miller:... WHAT HAVE I DONE???

@@thatonea-hole Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality.

@@thatonea-hole 🎶caught in a landslide no escape from reality🎶

But oh yeah this is the guy we need to write DC characters. The most optimistic characters out of comic books.

@@AdonaiSaxon01 I still love how he saw a character who is a "billionaire child whose parents were murded that responded by becoming a genius inventor, ninja & detective so he can dress up as a bat and fight a mentally ill clown" and then thought him not killing people was the unrealistic part.

Ok can you link cause I don’t beli…….I don’t think someone will believe it unless I have a source

It's why I say that Snyder is pretty much the Rob Liefeld of comic book movies.

@@jackmonaghan8477 Except It's an actual competition who is worse. The only thing in the world I'll give Snyder for the DCEU was the Batman costume. That actually looked pretty good. I'm not even against an older Batman for the movie.

were the bully victims names a nod to the supermans creators sorry if this sounds stupid

@@jadenbryant9283 yeah, that’s what I was going for

@@MadameTamma oh thats cool

Friend, if you're not a writer already, I'd advise you to fix that as soon as you can. That understated bit of scene writing is pro level, trust me.

@@johnathonhaney8291 That's really nice of you to say, thanks

🎵 Hey now you're an Allstar! 🎶

Nuts. When it comes to comics, L stands stands for Laser Pony.

Take the L!

... WHY doesn't this have all the likes?

Omg thank you. People have mentioned ever since Man of Steel came out how jacked Henry Cavill is and even with the baggy shirt you can tell he probably has at least thirty pounds of muscle on this dumbass, I don't see literally anybody batting an eye on this guy getting his ass kicked.

Well in Superman 2 in the ending he deals with the same asshole as before when he was depowered and after coming back at the same diner again he allows the guy to punch him when he has powers again and he backs his hand from doing so. He then chucked him across a long bar into a pinball machine. Granted he didn’t work their and he was technically the less imposing Clark Kent there, but he dibertly went out of his way to go back out there to mess with the asshole knowing he has no chance to beating him up again. Not sure though if this was in the original Donner version or if it was a lester addition.

Small guy even tries to push Clark but has no effect.

He's also working at a bar. Wouldn't he be expected to deal with drunk unruly customers? If I was the bar owner and a big muscle bound guy like Clark came looking for a job, I would hire him to be the bouncer.

Facts. Clark could have literally picked that little asshole up and thrown him out the door and nobody would have given it a second thought. Honestly, wrecking the guy's semi was kind of a bitch move in comparison.

It's even more shocking because he's from Minnesota, yes we have them but out of every Midwest state, we get them the least

​@@doggosho3044our state has had several major tornadoes reshape things especially down in the lower part. Mayo Clinic exists because the brothers got together with the nuns in the area after the major tornado tore through Rochester in the 1880s

That was a great episode. I especially loved Flash's interaction with Ultra-Humanite.

Clark believing Santa is real as an adult(though to be fair, he lives in the DCU. Santa is probably real) and he used his x-ray vision to peak. That was great superman

@@ThePatxiao to be fair Santa gives Cole to dark side every year I think the belief in Santa be real is fully believable in this universe

@@ThePatxiao Not only is Santa real, but he's badass enough to fight through the forces of Apokolips just to personally deliver Darkseid his piece of coal every! single!! year!!!

It also reveals that Clark still believes in Santa and that's just adorable.

Between this and the Witcher, he really seems to be the right actor at the wrong time.

And James Gunn had a chance to give Henry one last hoorah, but no.

​@@Talyrion I feel it's more; Right Actor, Wrong Writers

One of the few times I’d be okay with Snyder actors in commercials.

What really gets me about that moment is that the cab probably belongs to the trucker, but if those are power lines and telephone poles, that belongs to the municipality of that part of Canada. Either that, or they are all of the lumber that the trucker was hauling. Clark annihilated a bunch of stuff that doesn't even belong to the drunk guy just to get back at him. A profoundly NOT Superman thing to do. So basically, even though Clark is like 6 ft 5 and made of muscle, thusly acting as something of a bouncer to throw out drunk jerks when they do stuff like harass the wait staff and cause a scene like this is totally within Clark's job description, he instead decides to quit for no reason. THEN! Goes outside and destroys someone else's property to get some kind of petty payback at a random loser who should have been thrown out by the management, and somehow no one hears this demolition derby nightmare in the parking lot outside, at a diner/bar that appears to be near a major roadway or highway. What the hell even IS this movie?

eh

@@tonystark106422 Well in fairness superman 2 had the scenes where he is depowered and had to deal with a bunch of assholes in a diner, then at the end where he comes back to the same diner he deals with the same asshole again. The guy punches him and seemingly breaks his hand from it, then he throws him across the table into a pinball machine. Granted it's not as bad as destroying an entire Truck, but his hand was damaged enough and plus the injuries from landing in a pinball machine would probably mean a hefty medical bill if he doesn’t have insurance. Not sure if this was in Richard Donners original cut or if this was a Lester addition though.

@@jlev1028 i don't see the issue. is that the logs had spark in them?

@@brandonlyon730 it ain't a bad a s destroying a truck? you sure

Also he's not the only youtuber who does this for content ID reasons. Like for example, Mauler and other movie reviewers

And the less we have to see of this movie overall, the better

@@TrackMaster844 You said it Man!!!

I actually really like spinning stills, it makes the video so much funnier.

That's true, it's better than nothing.

That sounds way better

This is a million times better!

It's actually a big problem that Linkara kinda touches on but Jor-El feels more human than Jon and is more hopeful and gives better lessons.

@@mikemorro140 Yeah, and I think part of the reason comes back to the argument that they made Superman Jesus. Man of Steel has Jor-El and Pa Kent be both of Jesus’s fathers, God and Joseph respectively. God is the one who gives Jesus his morality, Jesus becomes the savior because he follows and shares God’s teachings. Joseph though was just the man who took care of him as he grew up, the bible doesn’t touch on any lessons Jesus learned from Joseph, even as a child Jesus had better morals than him. It’s the same with Man of Steel. Jor-el is this distant ethereal God that gives Clark his moral code and his mission to protect and save humanity. Jonathan Kent is Joseph, he is just the guy who fed Clark as he grew up, Clark always had better morals than Pa Kent and just like Joseph, Pa Kent dies when his son is a young man about to start his savior journey. This is why Jor-el and Jonathan are given the roles they are given….but that’s not Superman, that’s Jesus. Jesus is a man whose godhood made him a savior. Superman is a god whose humanity made him a hero.

That would've been *way* better.

"You are *technically* correct. *The best kind of correct!* "

It also reminds me of "What Ever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" where he killed and then immediately retired because thats not ok, Superman doesn't kill. And stripped his own powers away, no longer being worthy of them. Yet we had 2 more outings with him as Superman plus a couple cameos. The real Superman would be ashamed.

my family's dog LOVES riding around in any vehicle, and often naps in the seat of our golf cart on the off chance someone will take it and she can catch a ride. Despite this, she still leaps out of whatever vehicle she's riding the second it comes to a complete stop (or sometimes jus slows down) 😅

I can only name one incident in particular where the dog was not only the last to leave, but was the only casualty; that would be the Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse.

Any animal can be afraid to the point where they just completely freeze and aren't able to move

The dog was out to kill Jonathan Kent. Its what instilled into him the never save anyone morality, he went back to prove it to Clark who clearly misinterpreted the situation.

Proving something Hitchcock was right about storytelling. In an interview he gave with Truffaut, he answered the question of why his characters didn't go to the police in his films by saying "because it's dull." So is the plot of Man of Steel.

A lot of the time "realism" in fiction doesn't mean "realistic", it means, well, having consequences for actions and being a bit (or a lot) darker because things aren't just gonna magically work out. Nothing is realistic about a group of aliens having a super power fight that levels part of a small town and the downtown area of a major urban center. The "realism" is Clarks dad dying, or "needing" to kill Zod, or his escapades over the years leaving a trail for a reporter to follow and learn the truth. Logic and good writing were definitely thrown out the window...but the "realism", in the way its used for fiction, is still there. Technically. Actual realism, the way you mean it, is when writers use the word "grounded" because what they generally mean is "grounded in reality".

"Realism" is a funny thing. For one thing, realism is subjective in fiction, especially speculative fiction, and most of us are looking for our version of "realism" in fiction. For another, _everyone thinks they're being realistic._ Everyone is a realist in their own mind.

the fact that the villain of that movie was literally Lex Luther big business real estate rich asshole furthers this point exponentially

@@kingdomfantasyomega Except that's not what Superman's about. Superman's whole point is that he does contemplate whether we're past saving, whether we need someone willing to say the ends justify the means, to put a permanent end to people who do harm. And the answer to those three questions is always a resounding NO. The entire point of every re-examination of Superman's morals is that while he has changed, we always need someone willing to be a paragon, and whether or not we deserve it, that's who superman is.

Also, some nits being picked are what’s remaining when all the big pieces are sanded off by 9 years of other KZfaqrs having their say

Cough cough final fantasy "fans" cough cough halo reach/4 cougg

The nitpicks that annoy me is when people are upset that every single thing isn't explained. Sure when something happens that seems implausible or unlikely then it might need explaining but if you stop and explain every detail of how every character knows everything they know or gets to every place they travel the film or show would quickly drag and the pacing would be really bad.

A friend of mine calls this the “Indiana Jones Principle” if you’re enjoying a movie you’re less likely to notice plot holes or little problems here and there. But if you don’t enjoy the movie then every little thing is gonna pop out at you.

@@SUPERMEDIABROTHERS6 Why the "Indiana Jones Principle"?

The way they spin kinda gives me an Obscurus Lupa vibe... which makes his mockery of the film all the more hilarious to me.

@@CrisisComics I got that vibe too.

I don't get it either, you're working with a mayor producing studio, why do you want to make a Blair Witch Project look-alike?

@@JuanLeon-oe6xe Me either. According to Linkara, it's the film maker's way of making the movie more "realistic" but as he's stated, we don't constantly move our heads around. Honestly, the filmmakers must of been shooting on a tilt a whirl whenever anything exciting or action packed was going on!!!

I can relate. I bought a 60" LG TV at a Black Friday for like $500 back in 2013 and a copy of "Man of Steel" on Bluray came with it (I have no idea why). I popped the "MOS" bluray into my player and seriously thought something was wrong with my then brand new TV. After checking the settings with other movies and shows, I found out it was the movie itself. Nearly nine years later, the TV still works, but bluray disc for "MOS" won't read in any player.

That lesson was, to quote Mr. Popo from DBZ Abridged: "Your father's an idiot!"

There's a moment I love in the Mark Waid miniseries, "Birthright", where we see Clark growing up with his adoptive parents on the farm. Jonathan, feeling strange about how his wife and his son are handling things, goes up to Clark's old bedroom on the second floor. We see a shot of the wall, and there are these little magic marker lines that have been drawn. Each line says one year, two years, three years, four years, and then? Jonathan looks straight up at the bedroom ceiling, and we see this huge impact damaged like something was thrown headfirst into it, a long time ago. Jonathan laughs and comments, "Clark, 5 years". Some great visual storytelling that suggests how life at the Kent Farm must have been like, and is also internally consistent with the pseudoscience of the Superman comic universe, just really good storytelling.

I'm not a big fan of the movie (I don't hate it, just think it's mediocre), but as a person that sometimes gets overwhelmed by certain sensory input... I honestly kinda like the line. I guess I have a different perspective on it for some reason?

@@oddtail_tiger different folks with different flavors of neurodivergency. If it worked for you, that’s awesome. I couldn’t relate to it. But I’m glad someone could :)

Weirdly enough the new show SUPERMAN AND LOIS one of their son Jordan Kent has social anxiety and experiences panic attack as seen in the premiere episode, then once his power develop he also experiences sensory overload.

@@oddtail_tiger As someone else whose senses are constantly dialed up to 11, I like the scene itself and the idea but the dialogue always felt a bit clunky

Why isn't someone sponsoring Linkara to review _that_ episode of Lois and Clark?

@@Avenger85438 Lois and Clark? That's almost directly from the script from the Superman: The Animated Series episode "The Late Mr. Kent".

@@retrofan93 There was a similar episode in that show were Clark gets shot, in front of everyone and has to pretend to be dead.

Because he’s the father. Superman the son, and this movie is the Holy Spirit. If Zack Synder is allowed to have a sacralige take on Superman, so can I.

A paycheck.

Never noticed that plot hole.....

Because he’s played by Russell Crowe.

Because Jor-El saw how stupid the other displays were and invented something better.

Funny how objectivism with only like four exceptions always winds up making superheroes less heroic to everyone with a basic sense of morality. Almost as if it's not a very useful ideology.

@@paulmahoney7619 Well said. Only looking out for number one doesn't work.

I remember Wisecrack explained he made Superman more of a Randian Objectivist like Batman (or at least his version of Batman) so the audience would sympathize with him human and relatable like Batman. That makes no sense.

It's worse than that. In order to prove himself to Earth, Clark has to sacrifice every trace of his alien heritage (represented by Zod and his men) in order to fit in as an American. He literally joins the (Daily) Planet by the end.

Snyder focuses on the super, not the man.

"Blind to the history of the character." That's it in a nutshell.

@@carloszapata847 For both Superman and Batman that is a terrible interpretation. Because both characters are so anti-Randian in concept. Both have amazing power, Superman with his alien abilities and Batman with incredible wealth and intellect, but don't set themselves above the rest of humanity with them. They want to use what they have to help humanity simply because it's the right thing. Ironically, the most Randian comic book character created is Lex Luthor.

Buttheads

Sounds like a good choice.

@@bthsr7113 IKR? Robert Zemeckis is a brilliant filmmaker. I’d LOVE it if he’d direct a DC Film. Especially considering he was considered to direct The Flash movie at one point.

And he probably would have put Alan Silvestri in charge of the score. Imagine a world where _both_ of the big epic theme music guys wrote their own Superman themes!

@@stevethepocket Would’ve been absolutely beautiful.

Brightburn was a better Superman origin story than this. At least he actually killed people on purpose 😂

I think it could have been tied into the story better, Superman killing Zod did not really bother me because this is not cold blooded murder. This is not like Zod was completely helpless and at Superman's mercy, he made it clear he was going to kill innocent civilians for no reason other than revenge and could have broken free at any moment. Clark pleaded with Zod multiple times to stop and he made it clear he was not going to and with less than a second Clark had to decide what was the lesser evil here. The fact that he's torn up about Zod's death shows that he is trying to hold onto that ideal of morality and is afraid that he failed.

@@jlev1028 like??

@@tobsonasanya4765 Fly up and out of range of the civilians and incapacitate him there Use his own heat vision on Zod to distract him and disrupt his concentration Turn his head up to redirect it harmlessly into the sky Turn his head downward so Zod would be forced to either stop or destroy himself Have Superman take the heat vision bullet himself And I'm sure there are even more

@@Jason_Ultimate he didn't give any permanent solution though

That was actually the starting point of M. Night Shyamalan's Unbreakable when you think on it, a MUCH better executed film.

@@johnathonhaney8291 I know people don't like m night shamalyn I do too but I genuinely liked Unbreakable its one of my favorite movies of all time

@@jadenbryant9283 Yeah, Shyamalan DID turn out to be vastly overhyped but I can never hate him for the existence of Unbreakable.

@@johnathonhaney8291 yeah agreed its actually and this may not be accurate its a better superman movie than man of steel

@@jadenbryant9283 Dude, it's a better Superman movie than most Superman movies. Being better than MOS isn't exactly a high bar. What IS a high bar is being comparable to both versions of Superman 2.

There was a book I read about the history of Superman and it had a whole chapter dedicated of people making claims of Superman being an allegory for various religious figures.

Not to mention that it's weird for someone who literally fights evil to be represented by a figure that was against violence regardless of the situation. Granted, Moses didn't exactly punch his way through Egypt, but he didn't turn the other cheek either.

tbf, Snyder is a pretty open fan of Objectivists and their philosophies, as he presents Rorschach in Watchmen as cool and valid in pretty definitive opposition to the text of the comic, and has been trying to get a Fountainhead adaptation off the ground for years, so i assume that by extension his opinions on Jewish people are...not that favorable

I know Superman is such a old concept but think about it when he was made and why he was popular Faster than a speeding bullet! More powerful than a locomotive! Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound! Look! it's a bird! it's a plane! it's Superman! Defender of the innocent! Bringing peace and love to all no matter what's Even if he has to go outside the law to save humanity! Superman was written to be the OC Mary Sue power fantasy for two Jewish 17-year-old kids from the Great depression! From Cleveland Ohio. Jerry Siegel(the writer) and joe Schuster(the artist wanted to create something they both loved "Clark Kent" derived from movie stars Clark Gable and Kent Taylor.[8] Lois Lane was modelled on Joanne Carter, a model hired by Shuster. She later married co-creator Jerry Siegel in 1948.[8](y Jerry was also a model for a Superman But they were both inspired by strong men the muscle bound men wearing only a thong and lifting incredible weights heck to show how Superman was to leap for a drawing jerry would leap off the couch! The whole reason the cape existed was to show motion on comics. (yeah he couldn't fly only leap it was because of the cartoon in the 40s that he gain the ability to flight because it was easier to draw for the [Fleischer Brothers cartoon which had the budget of films](kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ps18gKths63amJs.html) The original comics often criticize heavily capitalism and war profiteers, persecution of minorities! 12 issues and not a single super villain All 12 consisted of saving humanity from the worst of itself They are everything that Jerry Siegel and joe Schuster wantebecause they got screwed over the most they sold Superman for only 300 bucks (that's only 2,000 in today's currency give or take). When a(action comics #2) corrupt senator senator is looking to get the USA into war in exchange for a stipend of the weapons sales profit Superman goes in picks him up and makes him sign up for the military And see what the damage is those weapons caused (Ultimately making the arms dealer says oh no I don't want to die And Superman replies with oh so it's okay when you let others die in your place When (action comics # 3) a coal Baron is allowing for his workers to mine in unsafe conditions purely because it's more cheaper not to put any safety precautions in (and use immigrant labor because they're the lowest of the low in society's eyes) He goes on the cover, and sneaks in as an immigrant analysis the situation(Clark Kent was supposed to be a God damn Muckraker!) And in the end lures in the coal barons and the bourgeois And then causes a collapse in The mineshaft Saying, "I'm content to die how about you? He only allows them to exit after forcing them to swear to rebuild and improve the conditions He destroyed cheap housing blocks created as practically death traps for the tenants because they were far more cheaper materials And to force the government to have to rebuild it under the New deal system with far stronger materials! When he saw that children were going to prison because of the system screwing them over constantly that they have to go to crime ! he rebelled against the system he said screw the cops the people deserve better and staged a breakout he went undercover in prisons and reported on the horrific conditions and it caused massive outrage against the prison Superman in the radio drama[radio drama](kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fphpdc-Fxr--YIk.html) fought against the ku Klux Klan a racist xenophobic isolationist and anti Catholic organization! They actually got people to go undercover into a sect and reveal all of the insanely bunkers ideology Time and time again in the original comics he would be very critical of capitalism racism, imperialism xenophobia and so much more And he would help those in need He would punch wife beaters because of them beating their wives Personally it would be dishonest to even call him a Moses allegory originally, yes Moses elements were added the family of Kent's were added, But he is still a vital part of Jewish folklore He is a Golem, a Golem to help the working class and solve society of its ills.

It's a thing in Hollywood apparently, Moon Knight had his jewishness heavily downplayed in the MCU show, when it was a major component of his character in the comics.

Sadly. Maybe one day we'll get a multiverse themed movie like No Way Home that will allow him to play actually play Superman as Superman should be. Or DC reboots the universe in the Flash movie and decides to keep the cast while changing the tone.

@@mikegates8993 I pretty much had said the same thing ith Margot as Harley, while she still does not hold a candle to Arleen and Tara it just took a S Squad movie with better writing to show she is decent in the role. Jared though still feels like one of the back ground underlings of Bruce timm's Jokerz Lt from Batman Beyond

I mean, Geralt's quote about not choosing even the lesser evil could work in principle for Superman, and as others have pointed out, when your Superman is less inspiring and hopeful than Geralt of Rivia, WTF is wrong with your writing?

@@VulpusArmory Personally I'm still not fond of Margot as Harley, but that's more so because I've come to hate the modern Harley, so I probably will never be sold on her. And yes, Jared Leto is either bad casting or bad direction for the Joker, and we're sadly stuck with him until maybe the Flash movie, depending on how they handle the universe after that.

​@@VulpusArmoryI always liked Margot Robbie as Harley though. Even when she was just a sex symbol in the original suicide squad, she still brought this energy that made the movie somewhat bearable.

And he would be totally oblivious to the fact that Chester was created specifically to show Superman is correct and play it straight like Chester is the one who's right.

It works better there because "The Batman" is a reconstruction. It directly challenges certain ways the character has been portrayed in the past in comics and film. The entire conflict is built around Batman fighting a version if the riddler that is revealed to basically be a dark reflection of himself. Its showing its version of bruce wayne a version if what batman could be and then proceeds to ask bruce, and by extension the audience, if we really want batman to behave like the riddler (who in the film is effectively a modern day klansman dressed in a military mask instead of a white sheet.) In Man of Steel, the story becomes a deconstruction because Superman has to act against the ways we traditionally expect him to act as a character and those choices are made to make the character "more relatable" instead of being used to ask us what kind of "hero" we want. Part of this is due to the nature of each respective character. Batman is a little more flexible than Superman. You can write him as a kind of superstar James Bond esque global adventurer, or a hardboiled detective. Batmans personality can fluctuate between angry violent vigilante or one more like Adam west's 'friendly father figure' take on the character. With Superman you can't really do that because he is the first superhero. If the story of man of steel was about Clark trying to be Superman and trying to protect the world In a certain way, only to encounter general zod and realize that despite his best intentions he was at risk of becoming an authoritarian just like zod, then that would be an interesting story. Instead we just get a movie that is structured like a by the numbers Superman vs general zod story except that Superman acts in ways ways we don't want Superman to act, many of which are downright immoral. The film then vaguely promises that he will 'grow Into the role' and then expects us to want to come back for a hypothetical sequel to see all that "growth" after alienating us from the central protagonist by making him kind of scary. The batman uses the structure of an origin story to interrogate the concept of batman and then push the character forward. Man of steel just makes Superman more immoral for no real reason other than trying to appeal to people who want a more edgy take on the character.

Hell, even Fairy Tail, a group of characters who are KNOWN for MASSIVE property damage while on jobs OR saving the world, made sure that NO INNOCENT CITIZENS were injured or killed more than THIS Superman EVER did

The MCU finally has Wolverine in the classic yellow and blue, so there’s a hope for Cyclops.

I mean yeah, absolutely. Jonathan thinks Clark's powers will make him into something like Atlas. Jonathan doesn't want Clark to owe society anything. So he wants Clark to shrug. I hate Snyder's work. I really do.

@@tonystark106422 I was once an admirer but I now share your hatred. Leaving aside the repugnant Ayn Rand worship, what kills it for me is he's a ripoff artist. When he has source material he can crib wholesale, like 300 or Watchmen, he can mask the fact that he has no original ideas. And any original scenes he thrusts into such adaptations are always the WEAKEST part of the film.

@@johnathonhaney8291 he still misses the point though, look at the fight scenes in Watchmen, they are often slick and cool but in the comic they are much more brutal and desperate. The "heroes" in Watchment are not supposed to be cool its supposed to be much more grounded and nasty its the whole point that in real life this stuff would be horrible.

@@101Mant Further evidence of his dysfunctional storytelling, yes.

The first movie did this and did it better. Two nukes. One is heading to Hackensack, New Jersey... the other is going to the San Andreas Fault. Superman, even with his incredible speed, can't go after both at the same time. The reason it's a hard choice is precisely because of that. So he has to pick, and he goes with the one headed to NJ because someone he knows has family there and asked him to save them. Sure he time travels it and thwarts the other nuke as a result but we go along with it because it doesn't invalidate his choice. No, it just creates a paradox.

@@tcrpgfan Superman is dying from Kryptonite. Miss Teschmacher.... Luthor's mistress... reveals that her mother is in Hackensack. She gives a condition for her removing the kryptonite: he had to save Hackensack first. Superman is conflicted.... Lois and Jimmy were in California on the faultline, but he agreed because otherwise he'd die and nobody would be saved. She removes the kryptonite, and because he's Superman he keeps his word.

I'm pretty sure they named it "Man of Steel" because that was the name of the reboot miniseries in the 80s after Crisis on Infinite Earths. You know, the story that established the modern Superman as being Clark Kent first, only discovering his alien heritage after his powers came in during puberty, and having his Superman costume made by Martha Kent as a way of letting him rescue people openly while still having a life as Clark Kent. The origin that this movie totally retconned back to something more Silver Age.

I had the same impression

Didn't Christopher Nolan work on this movie for some time?

@@kimifw58 I think he may have just written a first draft but then eventually settled for a producer's credit.

@@DinoDave150 honestly tho batman begins is what if man of steel was good if you think about it

Snyder is someone who knows how to pronounce "words" within the language of film making, but doesn't actually know what they mean or how to string a "sentence" together. He's the director version of those hollywood execs who think "movie succeeded because of this reason and this reason alone. Do that thing" without realizing there was more to it than that. Its not that he's devoid of any creativity or skill or anything. He just doesn't know what every tool in the toolbox actually does and uses them regardless because they are "cool"

wasn't the phantom zone button destroyed?

@@tobsonasanya4765 If it was, I don't remember. But, then again, there's no reason they had to write it that way and it would have been an easy enough thing to fix when they were writing the script

@@tobsonasanya4765 In the original script, Zod and company were to be sucked back into the Phantom Zone, Goyer rewrote it.

@@joshheralal8758 of course he did🙄

I think this was in conversation with Kevin Smith, I forget he was talking to. Wouldn't it be much more impressive if Clark put his hand over Zod's eyes and just took it? He just tanks the blast and keeps letting Zod hit him and hit him, because he refuses to let even one more person get hurt after all this? Let all the people in Metropolis see how far he's willing to put himself in danger just to save one life? Anything?

I blame 9/11 for that change. If you see Superman as a metaphor for America and recall how nuts America got with the War On Terror, then the sudden switch flip makes sense. The 2000s was when we got the Injustice games and comics like Irredeemable, after all.

My favorite Linkara line from his “what’s so bad about truth justice and the American way,” review. Good people exist, so why wouldn’t people with incredible abilities be good too.

Power doesn't corrupt, it reveals. It allows you to do what you always wanted to do. In the case of Supreman, what he wants to do is help people.

I apologize, I can't remember who said it (It might have even been Linkara). The fantasy isn't that a man as powerful as Superman exists. The fantasy is that a man that powerful can be wholly, incorruptably good. Stories about Superman that don't get that last part, aren't really about Superman at all.

@@o76923 Abe Lincoln knew that by heart: "Nearly all men can stand up to adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."

I'm just wondering were his freeze breath was the whole movie. *COULD HE NOT HAVE USED THAT?!*

I want to agree with you desperately but if Supes just froze Zod in ice, Zod could just heat blast out again and we're back to square one. Definitely would've been nice to see him use it though.

@@joeberryman3563 he shoulda used that weird plastic S he can throw FTL his chest. That always works

Once Supes knocked out Zod,what then ??? Earth nor Supes have a means to contain/jail Zod,the super fight starts all over again.

@@powerbad696 I dunno, find some kryptonite?

Well he is an Objectivist and that's basically their viewpoint, altruism is bad and will hold you back, dont help the lesser people, concentrate on being exceptional. Unless you aren't, in which case it sucks but it's Nietzsche lite for narcissists so everyone following thinks they are in the exceptional category.

no good deed goes unpunisheed

@@jlev1028 green goblin lol. also i don't think the film is saying you should not be good lol

I mean, he's clearly a Miller fanboy. I wouldn't be beyond guessing that TDKR (maybe the whole trilogy, maybe not. Definitely the original though), Watchmen, and maybe Killing Joke and Batman:Year 1 are the only comics he's read. Just drinking Millers koolaide and missing the point of Moore's stories.

If that's Snyders worldview, then why did WB hire him in the first place?

@@natek4488 Warner Bros has this weird habit of hiring people who don't like Superman to write Superman. I couldn't say why.

@@cheezemonkeyeater That makes no logical sense. If you're making a movie about a character, you don't hire someone who hates said character. It's like with Michael Bay and the Transformers movies.

@@natek4488 Yet, they do. WB has weird ideas about how this works.

@@cheezemonkeyeater That makes a strange sort of sense. Look at James Gunn (not saying he's a bad writer or anything), they probably saw brightburn which is pretty much the perfect anti-superman movie and went "this guy is perfect" (which is hilarious as brightburn proved he and his brothers probably know superman better than many writers do if only to make the perfect evil version of supes).

Good gosh, in less than a page you just wrote a movie that is 1,000x better than this one. And I am so, so sad I’ll never get to see it.

That’s these versions of Superman in a nutshell, they assume we have very specific ideas of who he is going in and will hold up no matter what (not that unfair of an assumption I’ll grant), but this movie especially does a poor job of show don’t tell or even telling these things at all, they rush to the emotional climax while ignoring all of the necessary build up, say what you will about certain other reviews but Angry Joe screaming that they need to EARN Superman’s death is not an unjust reaction

Not only that, the scene (that for many reasons both in and out universe should be VERY impactful) has no real weight whatsoever. As Linkara says, the immediate next scene is a joke, and the fact that Superman had to kill Zod is never ever explored again, not in this movie, not in BvS, never; it has no impact on his character development, no impact on future stories, no impact on the worldbuilding, it's just Superman killing someone for the sake of having Superman killing someone.

@@joshpart3319 do we really need to explore it

@@tobsonasanya4765 we didn't need Superman killing zod in the first place, but if you're going to put that in at least show it was for something other than shock value 🤷🏻‍♂️

@@SerenityM16 i mean he comes back alive anyways

What else could he have done? Is a Watsonian (in-story) excuse for a Doylist (Out of story) complaint. My issue with the story is not made better by other parts of the story used to justify the bit I dislike

And that's the problem with Death Battle and its rip-offs in a nutshell.

@@Shades14 Disagree. Death Battle is for fun, and the people who make Death Battle are aware of that. I don't think they'd be foaming at the mouth if there was a canon battle between Superman and Goku where Goku won. It's the people who take Death Battle as their personal bible that are in the wrong.

Because these people are bad at their jobs.

The Batman 2022?

Good people never need an excuse to not kill.

@@shino4242 Well Daredevil did struggle with that against Kingpin. Even his priest asked him in S1 if he was looking for an excuse to not kill him.

I think the throwaway line makes it worse. Regardless of actual technique, such a thing LOOKS visually simple and the general audience doesn't need a quick exposition dump to explain what they just saw. And the only reason he's a "brawler" is because he's invulnerable. He doesn't need fancy footwork or to keep his guard up because he can't be hurt. I can't remember when, but in the past its basically been explained in comics that basically every member of the JLA (when it become supersized and not just the original 7) have basically all received some level of combat training from various other league members such as Wildcat and WW and the like. Obviously that's meaningless for this movie, just saying that its a bit of a misconception that Clark doesn't know how to fight. Besides, movie shorthand often just has you assume strong = knows how to fight. Im don't think most people would really question him head locking Zod into unconsciousness. Its a pretty believable suspension of disbelief. Again, this is just an long winded way of saying: I agree with you, just cut that needless exposition out. Its kinda clunky.

It should have been Moses. Important but not that important

Well, he consoled himself and made Pacific Rim and he said it was the only production he enjoyed from start to finish so that's nice. It's actually pretty sweet to learn about Pacifc Rim's production details. Also this kinda reminds me of that time Miyazaki wanted to adapt the horror manga Parasyte in film but couldn't get the rights, so he ended up making.... Ponyo. A very good and underrated film, but also a big tone shift.

... I don't see the connection to Jesus here.

Seriously, the Jesus allegory hampers the emotional core of the movie. I have real issues with how Jonathan Kent tells young Clark that Clark's biological father from the heavens, his Heavenly Father if you will, must've had a purpose for Clark on Earth. It's a very stilted and unnatural thing for Kent senior to mention because Jonathan has no way of knowing that, nor no reason for saying that! Maybe saying that the actual Abrahamic God YHWH has a purpose for Clark, or that Jor El must've cared enough to have wanted Clark kept safe. Or when Clark went to the priest for help, the priest could've given him true emotional guidance and have told Clark that self sacrifice is the most righteous of paths, but no. The movie has a strange tendency to both adopt religious language and framing for its allegory, while also positing Clark and Jor El as superior in morality to actual representation of religious belief! It's honestly bizarre. I'm a very agnostic theist verging on the heretical to fundamentalists, but even I don't mind the idea of a Superman who is christian. You can't tell me that the Kent household isn't one where grace is said before every meal (except for maybe breakfast before school, only so much time in the day you know). But the movie is way more concerned about us thinking of Clark as an allegory for Jesus Christ before even suggesting that Clark is a man of faith (beyond that priest scene, and again it only serves to frame him as a moral superior to the sole religious figure represented in the movie).

@@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec That's honestly a way better biblical allegory for Clark. It even makes way more sense for the idea of him freeing people to recognize and realize a material struggle for a better world, not a struggle for necessarily just spiritual salvation. Also, it makes it a touch less sacrilegious and allows for Jor El to be a flawed man without being a God allegory himself.

Wow for years I’ve thought a period piece super man movie series set in the golden age 30s and early 40s would be amazing, and I thought if done right, superman would not discover he’s an alien till the sequel and not fight any aliens till the third movie, build up to the big world building event, not start a franchise with one I will definitely check out this book

I love your idea... but there would be a lot of comparisons to Dragon Ball and the beginning of Dragon Ball Z. Heck I would have liked to see your movie for that reason ^_^

@@leafruns7672 well I mean doesn't man of steel already have a bunch of comparisons to dragon ball already

@@jadenbryant9283 I never saw man of steel, the trailers put me off and no review changed my mind. From what I have seen from those sources, bits and peices here and there, sure. This super man is in great need of a Krillin though.

@@leafruns7672 or jimmy olsen too bad hes gone

But together we can be justice (…I am not sorry)

He was also going to do the Hobbit as two movies.

I'd argue there is, given how this film planted the seed of WB's destruction.

Certainly not in America for certain people

That's a very good point. They're making Superman a very John Galt and Jkhn Galt is not Superman. John Galt is Lex Luthor, that's how Lex Luthor sees himself.

I know that Synder wants to bring an Ayn Rand novel to the big screen.

I recall I saw a picture where Martha Kent is saying the "you don't owe this world a thing, You never did" and Superman looking exasperated responding "You need to stop reading Ayn Rand, mom. Seriously"

@@GeneralKenobi75 I've never seen anyone describe it this way but yes you're 1000% right!! Superman is an example of someone with incredible power who's tempered by immense humbleness and compassion. He COULD do whatever he wants, but chooses to be gentle, kind and helpful to everyone. Lex is the perfect opposite because he's a man who thinks he has the right to do whatever he wants. He views everyone around him as small and insignificant, sees himself as someone who's owed admiration and respect. Snyder has it backwards; normal people have next to no value or place in his stories, and instead focuses on these incredible figures who deserve fear and reverence. It bothers the hell out of me seeing Superman and his comrades in the Justice League put on pedestals like this

@@brianriff8550 Why thank you. And yes, that is the perfect summation. That is why Lex Luthor and Superman are the perfect enemies. They are the complete antithesis of each other. All-Star Superman portrayed that the best, after Lex Luthor gains Superman's powers and claims that if he had these powers to begin with he could have saved the world, Superman's response is-"you could have saved the world a long time ago Luthor, if it really mattered to you." That sums up Lex Luthor in a nutshell.

ostia es el del superjueves

Because Hack Snyder wanted him to kill Zod. Like, fans have been coming up with various ways Clark didn't need to kill Zod right then for literally years. But it doesn't matter. Zack wanted Murderman.

A little line of dialogue of Clark explaining the pain of never understanding Krypton, the planet he came from, could’ve tied into not just the beginning of the film but also… how the fight will end. The real tragedy of Clark snapping Zod’s neck is that by killing Zod, he’s choosing humanity over Krypton (akin to how he chose to rip apart the ship cause “Krypton had its chance”). He truly ended up making himself the Last Son of Krypton. My issue with MOS most definitely had to be issues like the constant handheld shaky cam (which only worked when the World Engine activates its gravity weapon; it messes up Clark’s first flight scene), the constant science fiction snap zoom (this isn’t James Cameron’s Avatar), the rushed ending (after Zod’s death, we only get 2 minutes of an ending; I love film endings that take its time. The ending is supposed to be the conclusive paragraph of a movie), and Goyer’s screenwriting (which ends up being a bit borderline generic; hell he’s using “WHERE IS [so and so]??” which he’s used in the entire Dark Knight trilogy too and in BVS)

That reminds me of the lex/Clark friendship in Smallville. Aka of something actually good

Why do you have to make Superman Killing Zod "work"? It already works. There's nothing wrong with it as is.

I get what your saying. But for a lot of people (especially Snyder) killing Zod really isn’t bad.

@@orinanime Agree, i think it would have been better if we simply that next scene with the general or better change it so that the tone its more serious so to avoid the mood whiplash.

@@invisiblefan2387 killing Zod is to be expected. Zod dies in basically every depiction he's ever in. And 9 times out of 10, it's Superman who kills him.

What people don't know is that Superman had killed general zod before and the comic books he killed him and in Superman 2 do we not just see Superman literally through general zod and the bottom of the mountain in the final battle in the fortress of solitude he straight up murder him I don't see why people complaining about what Superman did there were other ways but this was the only choice he had and also the only time Superman didn't kill general zod was in Smallville season 9 when Clark defeated him in the final battle and sent him to the phantom zone

Yup. Also funny enough, it looks more alien in my opinion.

@@mikegates8993 Exactly, plus it's shown in multiple depictions as making basically holograms that people can interact with. Again making it come off as more efficient than the weird sand tech they have in Man of Steel.

But that would require having more colors than grey and brown! /s

Yeah I didn’t like the Kryptonian designs in MoS (PoS) it looks way too Giger esque with the strange shapes and gloominess. I should feel safe at the fortress of solitude not feeling like a Xenemorph is going to impale Amy Adam’s ass.

All good points...I just wish the whole "spinning round the Earth to turn back time" thing was less stupid. Six year old me looked at that and thought, "Huh?" Even as it is in line with the themes you outlined above, it made no sense to me.

​@@johnathonhaney8291 I took that to mean he was moving so fast he was going back in time and the world looked like it was going in reverse. Like yeah it looks like he's spinning the earth backwards, but that's not what's actually happening. Idk in my head that makes it a little less dumb.

Except for the Snyder Cut of Justice League. No review can be THAT long

@@Tareltonlives *ahem* MauLer's "reviews" tend to be rather long.

@@kingofthegundam7974 True; he accurately replicates how long the movies FEEL to watch. And that's not really a good thing.

@@Tareltonlives I actually think Kinda Funny's review of the Synder cut might be as long as, if not a little longer then, the movie itself.

I will always say that Eternals was Chloe Zhao's way of telling her good friend Zack (and they ARE friends, I'm given to understand) "Honey...THIS is how you should have done that." Never understood why Eternals got slimed while too many damn people overpraised Man of Steel...the former was far better written, directed and had better action sequences. It also was the first superhero movie in a long time to surprise me in ways that made sense.

@@johnathonhaney8291 Made sense? Also, from what I've seen, most people weren't thrilled about Eternals because of certain story elements, plus the movie had 10 or so leads. I liked the movie myself, but I guess they probably could have benefited from a Disney+ show.

Honestly, I hope Del Toro gets the chance to one day make Hellboy 3, because THAT is a series I’d like to see get a proper finale.

Prometheus made 3 times it's budget so it didn't 'fail horribly' [and was Oscar nominated for visual effects] and while the reviews were polarising, they generally were positive [73% Rotten Tomatoes]. The Del Toro project was actually cancelled in March 2011 [apparently more of a reaction to it being R rather than the ideal PG-13], a year before Prometheus was released. Del Toro has several projects on the go at one time [see his wiki page for 'unrealised projects'] and many never see the light of day.

@@TF2Fan101Ron Perlman in January this year was publicly encouraging Del Toro to do his 3rd film [ignoring the 2019 reboot] but Del Toro doesn't seem to have changed is February 2017 position it will 100% not happen.

I would oddly say check out "A Sucker For Love". Yes, it's a dating Sim parody, but it's a parody with Hastur (Sorry, Estir) and Nyalahotep (Nyanlahotep).

I would love to see it. MoM really stands out from other Lovecraft stories (and would be easier to adapt than most) because it's surprisingly un-xenophobic. The narrator feels sympathy for the plant aliens, admits they hadn't done anything he wouldn't have in their situation, admires their struggle to survive and even calls them "men of another age".

That requires nuisance

@@ForrestFox626 I think you mean nuance.

Both Batman Begins and The Batman are better versions of MOS, but done differently. The former puts a strong emphasis on having Batman not kill his enemies, but asks 'At what point does that mindset stop you from preventing more damage than causing it?'(Which is basically the thing his enmity with the Joker is centered around) while the latter forces Batman to realize that he's not protecting the innocent, he's punishing the guilty and that actually makes him only barely above the thugs he fights in the eyes of Gotham (That's the point of the kid who lost his dad to the Riddler).

I’d disagree with the idea of SHAZAM being a better Superman film than Man of Steel. Definitely a better film but Billy starts out very selfish even depositing an ATM clean which is very anti Superman

@@skibot9974 Fair point. Actually forgot about that moment myself. I was thinking more like how he develops by the end of the movie. Made him feel more like Superman to me than MoS Supes. Then again, that's not a high bar to beat.

Shazam really is just the best DC film in existence

@@shadowninja222 Not to mention, Dr Sivanna was a better Lex Luthor than the actual Lex Luthor of the DCEU. Hell, Lionel from Smallville was his father.

Especially since he was made by Jewish writers

As someone with a form of it, yeah. I always got that vibe from this and the Secret Origins book.

Smallville did an amazing job with this idea, although it wasn’t autism it was just parents raising a child with disabilities

The whole getting overwhelmed thing tracks with that. I am autistic among other things to be clear. I also have general anxiety and it works for that too. I mean the closet scene is just a fantastical panic attack kinda.

Yeah. Heck, it's why I transferred to virtual school. So many distractions. Mind you, I then found new distractions.... Still, it's not a bad idea, if done well.

Realizing this is part of why I became a Superman fan, as well as the subtext that in order to be accepted in society he has to be the absolute best, to the point where any one mistake will make people turn on you immediately.