Alhamdulillah for Islam and Allah’s guidance. May Allah continue to bless Dr. Zakir
@youngwise81478 ай бұрын
Wow this nigerian tour has been a really hard watch, why do the Nigerian people insist on making long speech and not clear questions. Praise Dr Naik for his efforts.
@abdulmoheymen19638 ай бұрын
scammer mentality
@neilhenriques94358 ай бұрын
Dr Zakir Naik is a hoax and fraud. Stop listening to Dawah people and him.
@wesleywarhol77728 ай бұрын
They believe they are all preachers lol
@neilhenriques94358 ай бұрын
@@wesleywarhol7772 to me they are crooks not preacher s. In the long run you will have to contribute to the community. Don't break your head with them. They just want to make a mockery of Christianity
@wesleywarhol77728 ай бұрын
@neilhenriques9435 I am a white American, but I have many Nigerian friends. I was even a musician at a Nigerian Church here in the States after I converted to Islam and yes. It's very theatrical and dramatic. Nigerians are very nice and accepting people, tho. They are the best Muslims AND Christians from what I know. But yes...the Christian Nigerians put on a show haha.
@GuruSarj..4 ай бұрын
Dr Naik is one of a kind. He quotes chapter, page, paragraph, and line to substantiate his talk, and it's for the viewer to verify. I have never come across a comment that specifically questions his references
@anasibneykamal74552 ай бұрын
why don't you do it your self and verify if he is right or wrong? if u find mistakes u ask him he will correct himself and if he is right then he is right then.
@khalifamusa14818 ай бұрын
I am a Nigerian Muslim. But I know how hard Nigerian Christian are... so pls forget them
@bakeery8 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@yaxyeyaaska8 ай бұрын
False is false always Christianity is a pagan religion
@kareemsvlog55908 ай бұрын
Very strong headed people
@akolarin-sann87738 ай бұрын
But for me I know how destructive Nigeria Muslims are, the simple reason why they always attack people that doesn't believe in what they believe, this is evident.
@apachekafka7738 ай бұрын
The problem is they don't read and study, they just believe their Pastors. Also, they are raised upon lies with so much hatred for the muslims.
@user-ve4ee4lk5t8 ай бұрын
Alhamdulillah, may Allah swt continue to bless u with sound health and reward u and us "Muslims" with Aljanal firdausi Aameen.
@salihusuleiman67637 ай бұрын
Ameen
@nasirbilal.naikoo34978 ай бұрын
Ocean of knowledge...❤
@wolefatunmbi97278 ай бұрын
Ocean of lies !
@d_d26268 ай бұрын
Of knowledge*
@Dr.k6248 ай бұрын
@@wolefatunmbi9727beta ye baap hai tumhare. Baap se aise baat krte hai., ye gaai hamari mata hai saandd hamara baap hai . Nhi hai. Beta.. tumhari do takke k guru b bhagte hai yahan se
@@wolefatunmbi9727what lies lol? May Allah SWT give you Hidayah
@alfatkhan89017 ай бұрын
The knowledge of Zakir naik is on another level❤️
@mirwaiszazai90442 ай бұрын
100 % true brother Alhamdullilah 🏳️☝🏼 there no God but Allah the one the most and high generous and almighty and the most and high merciful ❤️
@cHeVaLiEr214 күн бұрын
but a student of Ahmed Deedat.
@user-ve4ee4lk5t8 ай бұрын
Alhamdulillah, may Allah swt continue to bless u with sound health and reward u and us "Muslims" with Aljanal firdausi Aameen ya Allah.
@darzubair97918 ай бұрын
Allah gives u long life my dear Dr Zakir Naik
@2niner775 ай бұрын
Knowing Four Arabic Words May Save Our Civilization from Islamic Takeover Those words are takiyya, tawriya, kitman, and muruna. Belshazzar's Feast (Rembrandt) Rembrandt, Belshazzar’s Feast (1635), National Gallery, London Each of these words describes a different style of deception used by Muslims when discussing Islam or their activities as Muslims. Muhammad famously said, “War is deceit.” (Bukhari, Vol. 4, Book 52, Number 268) The Quran boasts that Allah is the “master of all scheming” (Surah 13:42) and that he is “profound in his machinations” (Surah 8:30). Western civilizations are not accustomed to dealing with people, who have developed deception into an art form. Knowledge is power, and the best way to combat the Islamist agenda is to say, “We are wise to your shenanigans. Knock it off!” Takiyya Takiyya is defined as dissimulation about ones Muslim identity. It comes from the verse in the Quran that says, “Let believers not make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful - he that does has nothing to hope for from Allah - except in self-defense (illaa an-tattaqu minhum tuqah) (Surah 3:28). This “self-defense” justifies dissimulation. Islamic Sharia Law provides, “When it is possible to achieve an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible, and lying is obligatory if the goal is obligatory.” (Reliance of the Traveler, Para r8.2) Examples include lying to protect Islam or a Muslim. Tawriya Tawriya is defined as concealing, and it could be called “creative lying”. It is OK to break the intent of the oath, as long as you don’t break the letter of the oath. (Reliance of the Traveler, sections o19.1 and o19.5) How does this work? Suppose someone protests that Surah 1 of the Quran demeans Christians and Jews, because it is a supplication Muslims make to Allah seventeen times a day to keep them from the path of “those with whom God is angry” and “those who have lost their way”. A Muslim might respond, “Surah 1 never mentions Jews or Christians.” He is practicing tawriya, because while Surah 1 does not mention Jews and Christians by name, but he knows full-well that the words “those” refer to Jews and Christians. Another example would be when a Muslim responds to your greeting of “Merry Christmas!” He might say, “I wish you the best.” In your mind, you think he has returned a Christmas greeting. In actuality, he has expressed his wish for you to convert to Islam; he wishes the best for you which, in his view, is becoming a Muslim. Kitman Kitman is characterized by someone telling only part of the truth. The most common example of this is when a Muslim says that jihad really refers to an internal, spiritual struggle. He is not telling “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth”, as witnesses are sworn to do in U.S. courts. Often, kitman results in a gross distortion of the truth. In the example given, the Quran uses jihad and its derivatives 59 times. Of those, only 16 (27%) could be considered “internal” with no object as the target of the struggle based on the context of the surah. Another common form of kitman is to quote only the few peaceful passages from the Quran, knowing full-well that that passage was later abrogated by a more militant, contradictory verse. Here is an example: “There is no compulsion in religion” (Surah 2:256) Early Medina “Are they seeking a religion other than Allah’s, when every soul in the heavens and earth has submitted to Him, willingly or by compulsion?” (Surah 3:83 Later Medina) Another example: “Permission to take up arms is hereby given to those who are attacked, because they have been wronged.” (Surah 22:39) Late Mecca “When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them.” (Surah 9:5) Late Medina Muruna Muruna means using “flexibility” to blend in with the enemy or the surroundings. The justification for this kind of deception is a somewhat bizarre interpretation of Surah 2:106, which says, “If we abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten, We will replace it by a better one or similar.” Thus, Muslims may forget some of the commands in the Quran, as long as they are pursuing a better command. Muslims striving to advance Islam, therefore, can deviate from their Islamic laws in order to cause non-Muslims to lower their guard and place their trust in their Muslim counterpart. At times, Muslims practice muruna in the same way a chameleon changes colors to avoid detection. Muslims will sometimes shave off their beards, wear western clothing, or even drink alcohol to blend in with non-Muslims. Nothing is more valuable these days to the Islamists than a blue-eyed Caucasian Muslim willing to engage in terrorism. Another common way of using muruna is for a Muslim to marry a non-Muslim or to behave like a non-Muslim so their true agenda will not be suspected. The 9/11 hijackers visited strip clubs and bars during their off-times while taking classes in the U.S. to fly airplanes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the White House. Many Americans believe Hillary Clinton’s aide, Huma Abedin, married Jewish Congressman Anthony Weiner at least in part to burnish her security credentials so she could infiltrate the highest levels of the Administration. The implications of these highly-honed tactics of deception could be enormous for unassuming Western societies. Twenty years ago, psychologist Paul Ekman wrote an insightful book, “Telling Lies”, which demonstrated that people give off recognizable clues when they are practicing deceit. Their consciences cause them, involuntarily, to sweat or raise their voices or make other recognizable gestures. However, Dr. Ekman’s research was exclusively with people from Western cultures. Muslims, on the other hand, show no discernible signs when they are being deceitful because there is no feeling of guilt. In their minds they are doing exactly what Allah wants them to do to advance Islam. Because any Western person who has raised children knows almost intuitively when someone is lying, so they assume they can do that in all cases. Unfortunately, those same Western people can be easily duped by Islamic deceit because there are no tell-tale signs in the deceiver. Hopefully, this article will be a wake-up call to the unsuspecting infidels. Trust but verify - as was an old American strategy in dealing with potentially hostile parties - is the way to go in dealing with Islamists.
@abdullahimutalib60128 ай бұрын
This man is so incredibly talented..wow
@wolefatunmbi97278 ай бұрын
Mumu, you better wake up before it's too late ! He is one of many deceivers, deceiving Africans like the Christians. Islam and Christianity are both pagan religions.
@zaharavideo35538 ай бұрын
Which man 😂
@neilhenriques94358 ай бұрын
@@zaharavideo3553 yes which man?
@neilhenriques94358 ай бұрын
@@zaharavideo3553 jokes aside he is a talented idot and a talking parrots saying things with out analytics skills
@user-hq2nz7cu6v8 ай бұрын
Talented in memorization and recitation , not in understanding. He should start memorization and recitation training centre for school going students.
@sajjadmehmood29438 ай бұрын
وَإِذْ يَمْكُرُ بِكَ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا۟ لِيُثْبِتُوكَ أَوْ يَقْتُلُوكَ أَوْ يُخْرِجُوكَ ۚ وَيَمْكُرُونَ وَيَمْكُرُ ٱللَّهُ ۖ وَٱللَّهُ خَيْرُ ٱلْمَٰكِرِينَ And [remember, O Muhammad], when those who disbelieved & plotted against you to restrain you or kill you or evict you [from Makkah]. But they plan, and Allah plans. And Allah is the best of planners.
@mubarikwasky21288 ай бұрын
May Allah keep blessing Sheikh zakir Nair n the ummah 🤲❤️✅
@user-jw7zr8 ай бұрын
The man of brain 🔥🔥🔥
@pratyushguptapremium7 ай бұрын
Washing
@Connecter0028 ай бұрын
Thank you sir, may Allah bless you Amen. May Allah guide us to be among those who benefits from this program Amen.🎉❤
@miyamaruku85578 ай бұрын
Allahuma ameen
@dewwangfu58336 ай бұрын
ignorant n innocent people of the world, god not exist.
@habibasalim30928 ай бұрын
Doctor zakir naik a person doesn't forced to accept Islam, just his heart has not yet soften ,may Allaah soften this young man and find the truth
@JumaJambia8 ай бұрын
Mtume Muhammad alikua akimwambia mtu silimu lakini hamlazimishi
@noorulameen8048 ай бұрын
The way Zakir is asking the young questioner to say "yes or No... If No than get out" is indeed arrogantly rude and not the way of the Sunnah of the prophet salallahu alaihi wasalam.
@hariranormal55848 ай бұрын
@@noorulameen804 Sure. It is true. But with the modern world and these people being arrogant yeah, I am not condoning or saying we all start act like him, but we gotta understand it in his feet also
@noorulameen8048 ай бұрын
@@hariranormal5584 whether it's modern world or ancient world, or anywhere in the world, we follow the Sunnah of the prophet salallahu alaihi wasalam. The best example for us and mankind. The questioner was not rude nor arrogant, why should Zakir treat him in this manner in front of the large audience. Imagine yourself in the questioner's feet. How'd you feel?
@Rarely_Seen0018 ай бұрын
@@noorulameen804He treated him well, despite the fact that the man was not being straightforward and truthful to Dr Zakir Naik
@Muhammad-HasanP78 ай бұрын
may allah give you more and more strength Dr Naik and the rewards
@syedajuveria93158 ай бұрын
The master is back into the business
@hakeemahmed28748 ай бұрын
You mean those sage who take money and jewellery from poor Hindu temple attenders 😂😂
@harooncoulibaly42718 ай бұрын
You're a liar. Which business? Show me a single business Dr Zakir Naik does behind the religion. There's none. Basically, Dr Zakir Naik is a graduaded doctor in medecine. He spends his full life in the way of God, of Islam, striving and struggling to make Islam easy to understand to people whatever muslims or non-muslims. You don't really know Dr Zakir Naik and his son Fariq. That's the reason you're telling a such bullshit behind your screen.
@emmy_gaming8 ай бұрын
@@hakeemahmed2874 don't mind them, they embrace shit, this man is always aggressive about bible and the bible, he would make u ask questions in his own favour, so foolish with his own intelligence
@atchakpekpassi31288 ай бұрын
Allhahou 'Akbar❤❤ Mach'Allah ❤️ Tabarak'Allah ❤️
@harunaabdullahigarba44028 ай бұрын
Allah is indeed the greatest
@nobleprince66928 ай бұрын
Ibn Kathir would be laughing at you. Which Allah? Allah that couldn't protect Muhammad from being bewitched and poisoned? Dey play!
@MariamRomoke-yn1lt4 ай бұрын
May God punish you for what you said inshaa Allah useless fellow@@nobleprince6692
@delontareeves32304 ай бұрын
@@nobleprince6692Lol So What’s Your Point???? Be Truthful and Don’t Hide
@magezyusufu6368 ай бұрын
None is worthy of worship but ALLAH, the One alone, without partner, There is no mighty or power except from Allah, The Most Forgiving. Glory be to Allah and all praise be to Allah, The Exalted, The Great One.
@nagamanu91158 ай бұрын
Can he cast out demon in allah's name
@efechaofou998 ай бұрын
@@nagamanu9115 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the demons (spirits) are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. Lk 10:20
@nagamanu91158 ай бұрын
@@efechaofou99 I'm asking can he they cast out evil spirit in allah's name as Christian do in Jesus name
@MariamRomoke-yn1lt4 ай бұрын
@@nagamanu9115why not because he is the most powerful
@dragutaku47174 ай бұрын
Wr do that very frequently actually @@nagamanu9115
@user-zv9fm4hc1v7 ай бұрын
May Allah SWT continue to bless you and your family with good health and sound knowledge and protect the Muslim umma All over the world, amen.
@salihusuleiman67637 ай бұрын
Ameen
@umaridibarde49748 ай бұрын
This is a preaching……….no association no difference no sectionalism’s……….May almighty Allah s.w.a bless and protect you Dr. zakir Naikh
@wolefatunmbi97278 ай бұрын
Be deceiving yourselves !
@olawalemuritala33258 ай бұрын
Ameen
@Spider-man56578 ай бұрын
Allahu Akbar ❤❤❤
@hariranormal55848 ай бұрын
It's amazing how fast he can recall even other books. I cannot even recite the Qur'an like that, I don't even know 80% of the Surah's
@fatirafimor13268 ай бұрын
Allah gift to him MasyaAllah
@BeldenClement2 ай бұрын
Most muslims do not really know the koran and that is dangerous for your believe.
@rukaiyatahmadadam32638 ай бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤❤May Almighty Allah continue to bless Dr Zakir Naik
@nagamanu91158 ай бұрын
Can zakir cast out demon in your allah's name?
@tewfikahmed20648 ай бұрын
Thank you i always rejuvenate myself whenever heared
@neilhenriques94358 ай бұрын
Don't pay attention to Dr. Zakir Naik. He is a Dawah guy. They twist scriptures and do anything to make you follow islam. But her is the problem. Allah is a Handicap statue without a spirit and soul and has 2right hands and no left hand and no left leg. Allah has never created anything. In the Quran Jesus made a bird of clay and blew life into it. Allah if he went to the toilet which hand he would use. And which leg to enter the toilet. And which direction he would face ,the Khabba??
@mkhanmotiwala8 ай бұрын
The christians come only for arguments not for seeking the thruth
@harooncoulibaly42718 ай бұрын
I think too
@larry17258 ай бұрын
And tell me one truth about Islam
@goodmanners_71648 ай бұрын
@@larry1725Allah is one
@larry17258 ай бұрын
@@goodmanners_7164 Yes Allah is one, the one black stone idol that lives in the Kaaba and the black stone Allah that Muhammed kissed and worshipped and gave to Muslims to kiss and worship. Bloody pagan. Muslims are pagans, idolaters
@user-me5er9wv2n8 ай бұрын
If Christians are having issues with Jesus birth without a father, Prophet Adam should be more convincing to them because he has no mother or father. The same reason I have not seen them think twice on why Jerusalem is in Palestine. They should be asking themselves lots of questions.
@uniquerebel3858 ай бұрын
He was trying to take up as much time as possible, he knew very well what he was doing. Plus a windup artist
@SpreadingPeaceKnowleged8 ай бұрын
So excellent Masha 😅😅😅❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@ZXTXM7 ай бұрын
"Therefore woe be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands and then say, "This is from Allah," that they may purchase a small gain therewith. Woe unto them for that their hands have written, and woe unto them for that they earn thereby" [Quran 2:79]
@yassenmoses58768 ай бұрын
Allahu Akbar I love Dr Zakir Naik
@ibrahimhussaini89978 ай бұрын
Masha Allah!
@IdrisUsmanngulde-cc7km8 ай бұрын
Every being knows that God Almighty is only one God; every being created from day one should be a being of total submission to the will of God Almighty - meaning Muslim. People decide to do and think the other way for reason known to them only ; but not the teaching of God Almighty. All the messengers(prophets) are the only one God Almighty; and all are Muslims.
@farhiyahaji49537 ай бұрын
Alhamdulillah, may Allah give is knowledge of our din.
@iskaykandarkar8 ай бұрын
The audiences outfits , are this the traditional costume of Nigeria? The head cap and the outfit is really beautiful. I really like the style.
@maymunatuu8 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's the traditional outfit of Hausa's and also worn by other tribes in Nigeria
@apachekafka7738 ай бұрын
Yes
@zainoolabedeenseenath35618 ай бұрын
Yes the dressing is traditional..even ur not muslim u wear csp..n women cover their heads
@truthbetold248 ай бұрын
The first guy looked like an employee at 'In-N-Out Burger.'
@Halalwood8 ай бұрын
Yes this is our traditional attire and this belongs to the Hausa muslims and anyone non muslim who dressed like this it seems he is from northern part of Nigeria where 80 percent of the muslims in Nigeria were living
@SpreadingPeaceKnowleged8 ай бұрын
Masha Allah baarakallah 🎉
@don_w61028 ай бұрын
Mach'Alllah well spoken !!🤲🏾
@NgisahIsmail7 ай бұрын
May God open our easy and were what is going on God bless Dr Nick ❤❤❤ nice one
@lightfromthedark30624 ай бұрын
Have watched few video of this tour. In all career of give Dawa of Islam Dr. Zakir have most hard time. May Allah bless him and his Son.
@AMBeatz898 ай бұрын
Very hard to watch. I believe they read the bible but fail to understand the literature correctly, Most of the questions are just out of context and what they taught is very misleading. Good Effort Dr Zakir, ,May Allah guide them.
@muhammedjamiuabdulraheem21593 ай бұрын
Literature 😂 u go explain tired 😅
@samueljesufemi60162 ай бұрын
The bible explain all things
@user-tx7li9sk3g8 ай бұрын
May Allah blessing you. And bless your son to get knowledge of Islam more than u amen summa Ameen ya hayyu ya qayyum bi rahamatika astagisu.
@ndobyahakimu85908 ай бұрын
A salaam alaikum warahumatullah wabaratuh thank you Dr Zakir Naik for work done my humbly request is that to come to Uganda also very interesting.
@user-sk1gn9yc4z8 ай бұрын
ALLAH is the greatest of all no partner but him alone to be glorify.
@tmc26277 ай бұрын
Amazing speech from Dr Zakir Naik,,
@2niner775 ай бұрын
Knowing Four Arabic Words May Save Our Civilization from Islamic Takeover Those words are takiyya, tawriya, kitman, and muruna. Belshazzar's Feast (Rembrandt) Rembrandt, Belshazzar’s Feast (1635), National Gallery, London Each of these words describes a different style of deception used by Muslims when discussing Islam or their activities as Muslims. Muhammad famously said, “War is deceit.” (Bukhari, Vol. 4, Book 52, Number 268) The Quran boasts that Allah is the “master of all scheming” (Surah 13:42) and that he is “profound in his machinations” (Surah 8:30). Western civilizations are not accustomed to dealing with people, who have developed deception into an art form. Knowledge is power, and the best way to combat the Islamist agenda is to say, “We are wise to your shenanigans. Knock it off!” Takiyya Takiyya is defined as dissimulation about ones Muslim identity. It comes from the verse in the Quran that says, “Let believers not make friends with infidels in preference to the faithful - he that does has nothing to hope for from Allah - except in self-defense (illaa an-tattaqu minhum tuqah) (Surah 3:28). This “self-defense” justifies dissimulation. Islamic Sharia Law provides, “When it is possible to achieve an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible, and lying is obligatory if the goal is obligatory.” (Reliance of the Traveler, Para r8.2) Examples include lying to protect Islam or a Muslim. Tawriya Tawriya is defined as concealing, and it could be called “creative lying”. It is OK to break the intent of the oath, as long as you don’t break the letter of the oath. (Reliance of the Traveler, sections o19.1 and o19.5) How does this work? Suppose someone protests that Surah 1 of the Quran demeans Christians and Jews, because it is a supplication Muslims make to Allah seventeen times a day to keep them from the path of “those with whom God is angry” and “those who have lost their way”. A Muslim might respond, “Surah 1 never mentions Jews or Christians.” He is practicing tawriya, because while Surah 1 does not mention Jews and Christians by name, but he knows full-well that the words “those” refer to Jews and Christians. Another example would be when a Muslim responds to your greeting of “Merry Christmas!” He might say, “I wish you the best.” In your mind, you think he has returned a Christmas greeting. In actuality, he has expressed his wish for you to convert to Islam; he wishes the best for you which, in his view, is becoming a Muslim. Kitman Kitman is characterized by someone telling only part of the truth. The most common example of this is when a Muslim says that jihad really refers to an internal, spiritual struggle. He is not telling “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth”, as witnesses are sworn to do in U.S. courts. Often, kitman results in a gross distortion of the truth. In the example given, the Quran uses jihad and its derivatives 59 times. Of those, only 16 (27%) could be considered “internal” with no object as the target of the struggle based on the context of the surah. Another common form of kitman is to quote only the few peaceful passages from the Quran, knowing full-well that that passage was later abrogated by a more militant, contradictory verse. Here is an example: “There is no compulsion in religion” (Surah 2:256) Early Medina “Are they seeking a religion other than Allah’s, when every soul in the heavens and earth has submitted to Him, willingly or by compulsion?” (Surah 3:83 Later Medina) Another example: “Permission to take up arms is hereby given to those who are attacked, because they have been wronged.” (Surah 22:39) Late Mecca “When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere for them.” (Surah 9:5) Late Medina Muruna Muruna means using “flexibility” to blend in with the enemy or the surroundings. The justification for this kind of deception is a somewhat bizarre interpretation of Surah 2:106, which says, “If we abrogate a verse or cause it to be forgotten, We will replace it by a better one or similar.” Thus, Muslims may forget some of the commands in the Quran, as long as they are pursuing a better command. Muslims striving to advance Islam, therefore, can deviate from their Islamic laws in order to cause non-Muslims to lower their guard and place their trust in their Muslim counterpart. At times, Muslims practice muruna in the same way a chameleon changes colors to avoid detection. Muslims will sometimes shave off their beards, wear western clothing, or even drink alcohol to blend in with non-Muslims. Nothing is more valuable these days to the Islamists than a blue-eyed Caucasian Muslim willing to engage in terrorism. Another common way of using muruna is for a Muslim to marry a non-Muslim or to behave like a non-Muslim so their true agenda will not be suspected. The 9/11 hijackers visited strip clubs and bars during their off-times while taking classes in the U.S. to fly airplanes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and the White House. Many Americans believe Hillary Clinton’s aide, Huma Abedin, married Jewish Congressman Anthony Weiner at least in part to burnish her security credentials so she could infiltrate the highest levels of the Administration. The implications of these highly-honed tactics of deception could be enormous for unassuming Western societies. Twenty years ago, psychologist Paul Ekman wrote an insightful book, “Telling Lies”, which demonstrated that people give off recognizable clues when they are practicing deceit. Their consciences cause them, involuntarily, to sweat or raise their voices or make other recognizable gestures. However, Dr. Ekman’s research was exclusively with people from Western cultures. Muslims, on the other hand, show no discernible signs when they are being deceitful because there is no feeling of guilt. In their minds they are doing exactly what Allah wants them to do to advance Islam. Because any Western person who has raised children knows almost intuitively when someone is lying, so they assume they can do that in all cases. Unfortunately, those same Western people can be easily duped by Islamic deceit because there are no tell-tale signs in the deceiver. Hopefully, this article will be a wake-up call to the unsuspecting infidels. Trust but verify - as was an old American strategy in dealing with potentially hostile parties - is the way to go in dealing with Islamists.
@aliiyakub8 ай бұрын
Maa shaa Allah ❤
@matirjeux54818 ай бұрын
When he brother asked a really good question you know what time its 😂
@mahasham47598 ай бұрын
This man came to entertain himself and waste people's time. 10 hours down the line he would have still been arguing.
@muhammadaudi82088 ай бұрын
Dr zamir Naik. Allahumma baarikh fikum
@Mehnawaz_Ashraf4 ай бұрын
Proud to be a Muslim
@abdalrahmanmahmoud92098 ай бұрын
Quantum physics is less complex than trinity.
@jenkinsokeremute24038 ай бұрын
Quantum physics is less complex than Trinity . Yes,Because Trinity is the the most important thing in the world next is quantum physics. Very important things are not simple. But if you insist I will make it simpler for you. 1x1x1=1! It is as simple as that.
@jareddoubell95478 ай бұрын
@@jenkinsokeremute2403you mean 1+1+1 because they are not the same beings. You couldn’t even get the sum right 💀💀💀
@jenkinsokeremute24038 ай бұрын
@@jareddoubell9547 yes they are same being but separated. Why do you do the sum of the maths only? You forget there is multiplication too? 1x1x1=1. This must be a surprise to you. Please,I give you an illustration to help open your blind eyes. According to the Bible and Christianity Jesus is the "word" of God. John1:1, Jesus is the express image of God.Col.2:9. We also believe God is omnipresent, that is been in multiple places at same time. To illustrate this verses I use a simple analogy. Please,use your cell phone take yourself a selfie or video footage and take the picture or video to anyone and ask who is in the picture or video and see their reply. It will choke you to say everyone you ask will tell you the picture or video is you. Now,are they wrong? No! Because it is your reflection in the picture. Now,is it the very you that is inside your phone.No! Because, you are outside of your phone and at same time inside of the phone. Your are now two separate entities one inside a digital world and another of yourself out side the digital or virtual world. Consider or Imagine yourself as God,the picture or video of yours as Jesus,the digital or virtual world ( inside your phone) as the earth and our real world as heaven where God dwells. This analogy should be an eye opener of why Christians say JESUS IS GOD and yet not same person as God. If this simple illustration can not open your eyes I am sorry you are blind forever.
@abdalrahmanmahmoud92098 ай бұрын
@@jenkinsokeremute2403 1+1+1 =? bro, you made it look worse, You should have left it there.
@jenkinsokeremute24038 ай бұрын
@@abdalrahmanmahmoud9209 many of you Muslims are so dumbass. You think everything is a whole. For Instance an egg is made of shell ,white and yoke. It is this combination that made up one egg. Shell+White part+ yoke=egg. The same way ; 0.1+0.2+0.7=1.0. The human being is made up of soul+body+spirit=human. Thesame way,the Father+Son+Spirit=God. Just because you are brainwashed to believe in certain way doesn't mean there are no other ways to go about thesame thing.
@buddha67848 ай бұрын
Much better with echo 👍🏼
@habeebmusa12163 ай бұрын
Am a Nigerian Muslim but truth be told we are hard to accept lose. Both we Muslims and Christians 😅😅. A Nigerian is not easy preach to but when we finally understand, trust me we will do the job better.
@ibrahimumar97288 ай бұрын
The Mujaddidun of our time. May Allah SW bless you and your family
@chater4538 ай бұрын
From beginning i was feeling he will waste the time of Dr.Naik, he came to act like he is smart, foolish man wasted all most 1hr 🙄🙄🙄🙄
@bakorumuhani26808 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@ganiahamed8678 ай бұрын
But the answer is for everyone, many people might have got the guidance through his Truthless argument..
@chater4538 ай бұрын
@@ganiahamed867 yes sir true 👍 that's why a Scholar of Islam, an he is also a Doctor degree holder a Wise Man mashaallah 👏🏻 that is his responsibility to give a correct answer, isn't it??
@mallamtasleem4 ай бұрын
Máy almighty Allah bless Dr. Zakir naik
@mufuhtijohn26618 ай бұрын
Masha Allah
@habeebdauda66068 ай бұрын
Nigerian Christians, forget them especially those from the Northern part
@larry17258 ай бұрын
You child of Shekau, son of Boko Haram and bandits
@user-xb8di8bo3t7 ай бұрын
Dr.Zakir naik ❤️
@nuhuidris8807 ай бұрын
Jazakallahu khaira Dr Zakir Naik. Thank you Sir
@abdulkarimalatifatu8 ай бұрын
Allahu Akbar God is good May Allah give you long life and strenth.Aamiin
@slimnaz008 ай бұрын
To all Muslims! If a Muslim can tell me the answer to this question I will happily believe in Islam. The question is, if Allah is all knowing, why didn’t he know that the trinity of the Christian’s constitutes of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit, but instead in Quran the Trinity is Allah, Mariam and Jesus? Why did he get this simple concept wrong if he was warning against idols or polytheism? I encourage every Christian to ask this to every Muslim they come across! Surah 5:116-120! Repent and believe the Gospel, Jesus Christ is soon to come if you reject that the son of man died for your sins you are already condemned! God loves you and wants to save you! I believe in the only creator of the universe! And all it consists of!
@elizabethbello37465 ай бұрын
Because allah didnt know...simple
@t-time96904 ай бұрын
No where in the Quran does it say that the Trinity includes Mary. However the Quran does condemn those who worship Mary, and if you know anything about Christianity, you know some Christians even to this day worship Mary. You think otherwise because you engage in a favorite habit of Christians when reading any religious book, including their own: injecting their own beliefs into the wording instead of reading what it says, and understanding how the author intended. This is how you have the trinity in the first place, women preachers/teachers, or that Jesus is a god-man (dual nature of Christ), when none of those things are supported unambiguously in the Bible. In fact your Bible speaks against all of those things unambiguously. But here's a question for you Christians: Why should anyone fear your mediator even if he does come back? You people actually believe that he (Jesus) is so powerful that he was involved in the creation of stars more enormous than the sun, which dwarfs our planet, the universe in all its glory, that he is one person of the trinitarian Godhead, but he got killed, and suffered an agonizing death due to 3 small nails on planet Earth. The real God is far better than such things. The real Jesus (Yeshua, or Eesa) was more righteous than to claim to be a god of any sort. If you are Nigerian, clean up your Nollywood, and stop your internet scammers before you come trying to 'teach" Muslims anything. Nollywood is saturated with Christians, and non-Muslims.
@delontareeves32304 ай бұрын
Yall Already Believe In Islam & Hold Muslim’s in High Regard 🤣🤣🤣
@ebrahimdumbuya30614 ай бұрын
Why can't you go and ask by yourself since you are the writing the question here
@t-time96904 ай бұрын
Why is it you don't know that some Christians do in fact worship Mary? Don't some of you even call her "Mother of God?" Those Ayats you refer to, do not say anything about a trinity. They do show that worship of both Mary, and Jesus was well known even back then, and that Jesus disavowed the lie that he ever taught anyone to worship him or anyone other than God. However, why don't you find in your Bible anywhere where Jesus unambiguously commands his own worship, or any gospel written by Jesus, or where Jesus claims that God is a trinity. You won't find it. That means your whole religion is a concocted lie that's not even in the Bible that has endured through the centuries. If you continue with your polytheism you and all like you are going to hell.
@MScamara88 ай бұрын
Wallahi they are only denying the truth may Allah 😢 grant him and us all good ending and allow us to see the truth
@JaponicaBelichii8 ай бұрын
Ameen
@MariamKebbeh-wf9kv4 ай бұрын
Ameen
@ameermrm8 ай бұрын
Mr.zahir your safety is very important, when he is coming to your near my heart is beats more.
@elizabethbello37465 ай бұрын
Only muslims shout allhuakbar and stab. No christian does it.
@user-ny3tg9ik4d8 ай бұрын
May Allah continue to guide sir and bless you and your family.🤲🤲🤲
@hanasjibril85588 ай бұрын
The videos have serious issues on Audio. Qudos to your effort. Barraka Llahu fihi.
@ahmedaliyu14958 ай бұрын
Many still hate him and called him a Terrorist 🤦🏾♂️
@Junaid-dr9oj8 ай бұрын
Haters are in all generations like Abu Lahab was a biggest hater of Prophet Muhammad(ﷺ) and the disbelievers of Mecca also used to curse and use different names of him(ﷺ) like soothsayer magician liar deciever and different names but still most of the people accepted Islam in Arabia
@namedclaiming8218 ай бұрын
Don’t worry about it Terrorist means nothing now but any brown looking Muslim It’s a disgusting stereotype and those people who say shall taste the flame if they don’t revert to Islam after hearing That’s what Allah says
@harooncoulibaly42718 ай бұрын
I know none rightly and normal person invited a terrorist in his Land to give a speech to millions of people. But Dr Zakir Naik is invited in many parts of the world including in Nigeria to give a speech, convey the message of Islam. He's one the first persons who condamns a terrorism and all terrorist acts done in many countries like Israel which kills babies, girls, mens palestinians every day.
@jessicajellason51158 ай бұрын
But he is nah😂😂
@ArnaldoDaddinho4 ай бұрын
May Allah bless you and give you more knowledge likewise us
@nerubianbolt75438 ай бұрын
Smart people will choose Islam, unless they are denial.
@Bisharajoshua-qp8mg7 ай бұрын
HAHAHAHAHAHA
@SorifMiah-fq9hu8 ай бұрын
I believe in Islam because I believe tht nobody can crucify GoD nobody can kill God...how can God create human beings .after tht human beings have power to kill Him....common sense there it's not possible people good people stop denying the truth making lot of storys confusing peopl
@user-ii6fh7ll3g8 ай бұрын
There is no god but one god that’s allah
@Synclon8 ай бұрын
Correction: "There's No god But God, That's Allah"
@larry17258 ай бұрын
And prove to me Allah is God
@Synclon8 ай бұрын
@@larry1725 read the Qur'an if you need proof That Allah Is God.
@F.H.8 ай бұрын
Prove that HE..the only n ONLY God..Allah isn't. @@larry1725
@chinedbbomeire318 ай бұрын
@@Synclonin the Bible Jehovah is God and not Allah
@TravelwidAam3r7 ай бұрын
Masha Allah …Allah hu Akber❤❤❤❤❤
@egolekelvin54898 ай бұрын
Bro knows the Bible more than me 😢
@abdullahilawal46997 ай бұрын
read ur bible, know ur religion
@egolekelvin54897 ай бұрын
@@abdullahilawal4699 I would advice you to do the same
@Thegenzfamily3 ай бұрын
All his saying are off keys
@FnaticJW12 күн бұрын
@@Thegenzfamily no shit one verse on bible can go for pages
@madubalaabdulhamid5918 ай бұрын
The guy isn’t there to help himself but to make fun of the glorious event, he has nothing to gain here because he doesn’t seem to come here for guidance.
@harooncoulibaly42718 ай бұрын
Dr Zakir Naik has never aspired to be famous. The celebrety is short-lived that people like you like, not a godly person. There are millions of people around the world who converted to Islam just watching videos of Dr Zakir Naik with a opened mind. And Allah gave them a guidance. You bring nothing to the world and you critize people who do.
@WalidNaima8 ай бұрын
@@harooncoulibaly4271I think hes talking about the questioner
@user-oj6cf8jj7i8 ай бұрын
Yes cause you believe in going to the night clubs...try like he do 😂😂😂😂😂😂and he is not looking for fame... even his sun is an example
@TruthVsliesTv8 ай бұрын
Brother be sincere with yourself what guidance is in islam to follow? Islam is a balloon when sharp object comes on it, it get deflated!
@aishaaliyu9918 ай бұрын
This man came to know more about Islam because he wants to be a Muslim. What you are saying is not nice as a Muslim and it’s discouraging
@user-iw5so2ww7f8 ай бұрын
BaarakaLlahu our legend
@patriot47864 ай бұрын
Damnn I praise the patience of Dr Zakir Naik in Nigeria.. these people are so arrogant in talking and having a very tough accent to understand
@user-sq5ny1xr4w8 ай бұрын
You all don't believe that he said, "When you see me you see the father". You don't believe he said "Me and the father are one".
@Bisharajoshua-qp8mg7 ай бұрын
God bless you bro he have less understanding even if his old
@aryannmusicc8 ай бұрын
May Allah gives dr Zakir long healthy and happy life
@user-lv5pu6mh6s7 ай бұрын
Alhmlh Masha Allah, may almighty Allah bless you Dr-zaki naik
@janinewashington-dv1xm3 ай бұрын
Alhamdulillah ☝🏾
@Itsme_cjayraw8 ай бұрын
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men
@user-zj5kj4tc8e8 ай бұрын
A Jewish man said that
@Itsme_cjayraw8 ай бұрын
@@user-zj5kj4tc8e really so who inspired him to say it. He must be a visionary of the spiritual world to say that
@user-zj5kj4tc8e8 ай бұрын
@@Itsme_cjayraw. It ended with the word was with God. The rest was add ons by the Church.. God made everything, not through anyone. That's just stupid.. Stop adding embellishments
@xgrapher8 ай бұрын
hahahahahahahahaha you got him@@user-zj5kj4tc8e
@ajajjjaj92338 ай бұрын
@@user-zj5kj4tc8eif you read the Greek it says “in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god and the word was from god. That’s the original translation and if you look at the end part it says and the word was from Satan in its original Greek language so you follow satan not god according to the Bible
@smaq94378 ай бұрын
Zakir naik action these days resembles with sheikh ahmed deedat ...!
@abdussalamtaofeek63708 ай бұрын
Yes true maybe it’s old age I don’t know 😂😂
@Steadyvibestv8 ай бұрын
@@abdussalamtaofeek6370no not old age but is a result of how the people asking questions behave so as Ahmed deedat 😊😊 People asking questions either don’t follow rules, try to make it a debate or try to change or twist the Quran when quoting
@toreyetheservant14378 ай бұрын
He inspired him btw
@jessicajellason51158 ай бұрын
That is how he has been twisting bible and saying s different thing and guys could not understand him that everything he's saying is a lie
@smaq94378 ай бұрын
@@jessicajellason5115 just laying allegation won't help you or other ... just go read and come with evidence of verse so and so twisted .... page n verse no.
@emmanuelobioha20448 ай бұрын
Jesus, in response to the Pharisees’ question “Who do you think you are?” said, “‘Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.’ ‘You are not yet fifty years old,’ the Jews said to him, ‘and you have seen Abraham!’ ‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds” (John 8:56-59). The violent response of the Jews to Jesus’ “I AM” statement indicates they clearly understood what He was declaring-that He was the eternal God incarnate. Jesus was equating Himself with the "I AM" title God gave Himself in Exodus 3:14
@officialonojamonday8 ай бұрын
So he is saying Islam is d only accepted religion? This is d most funiest part for me
@AbimbolaAdekeye7 ай бұрын
He can say that bcos he is nothing but devil incarnate
@muhammadsyusuf21558 ай бұрын
Hahahaha he wants to run.and he is ashamed of himself 😂
@harooncoulibaly42718 ай бұрын
😂😂
@isaacyah-donyina48158 ай бұрын
Read LUKE 19:41-44…“As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace-but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”” Luke 19:41-44 NIV
@gianafargose73285 ай бұрын
Proverbs 18:15 15 The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge, for the ears of the wise seek it out.
@dimejib.38238 ай бұрын
I KNOW THIS MAN VERY WELL FOR YEARS NOW. HE FEARS THE WRITINGS OF PAUL. Dr. Naik is smart coz He knows the writings of Paul would convert him.
@Bisharajoshua-qp8mg7 ай бұрын
Guy he don't just understand the bible that it
@MuhammadIsmail-do1xw7 ай бұрын
You're deceived But he knows bible much more than your pastor's Why didn't they attend to debate him but hide themselves and be sending people like you who're not good enough in English to understand what the bible entails
@Bisharajoshua-qp8mg7 ай бұрын
u wrong man .we don't do debate on JESUS CHRIST.. while i know the truth then why must i debate.? since DR .ZAKS IS smart let him teach and stop debating around like a child.. its only children that drink milk not adult in spritual rem....you get?@@MuhammadIsmail-do1xw
@mudathiruissa18246 ай бұрын
Paul himself never believed in Jesus. Secondly what he is preaching is very clear its only you to accept or reject. But you.will be confused till the day of judgement if u keep on turning blind and deaf about realty
@lainiecho96528 ай бұрын
2Tim. 3 Verses 16 to 17 [16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: [17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
@syedhasan58618 ай бұрын
I presume that you are an evangelical christian and you believe in the doctrine of the trinity and vicarious atonement but not doing good works then you also believe as long as a man who rapes and murders your daughter and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rapes and murders your sister and then repents and later on sin the same sin or a man rape and murders your mother and then repents and later on sin the same sin or rapes and murders your wife and then repents and later on sin the same sin and evangelical christian still believes in the doctrine of the trinity and also believes that Jesus Christ died on the cross for his sins that he will be forgiven and will go to heaven and despite continuing to rape and murder innocent people but will still go to heaven as he still believe in the doctrine of the trinity and also as long as he still believes that Jesus died on the cross because you believe that this man is your evangelical christian brethren who you will embrace him but you also believe that good works are just like dirty rags according to your apostle Paul as your apostle Paul also said that faith alone believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins they you are forgiven and will go to heaven is your only salvation. According to christian evangelical theology, good works are the consequence of salvation and not its justification. They are the sign of a sincere and grateful faith. They include actions for the Great Commission, that is, Christian evangelism, service in the Church and charity. So Good works is a consequence but not a necessity for christian evangelical salvation. That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. ~Romans 10:9-10 You cannot be saved by your good works, because no matter how hard you try, your “good” is not good enough for the perfectly holy and completely righteous God who alone grants salvation. Nor can you be saved by your moral perfection-no matter how moral or how perfect you are. As the Old Testament prophet Isaiah points out, your righteousness is about as good as a “snot rag”. (Isaiah 64:6 ). I have actually cleaned that up a bit, because the Hebrew phrase for filthy rags, ukabeged ehdim, literally means, “like as rags of menstruation.” Sorry if that disgusts you, but it’s Scripture-so blame Isaiah. The point is, both our acts of righteousness, and the quality of righteousness that we hope they produce, are disgusting to God. So if you are disgusted by Isaiah’s language, think of how God, who inspired Isaiah to choose those coarse words, is repulsed by our efforts to get him to save us. So what hope, then, is there for our salvation? Well, frankly, no hope resides within us. None whatsoever. Ephesians 2:1 says “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins.” That’s how hopeless we are apart from God’s work to save us. You see, all a dead person can do is lay there and be dead, let alone try to be righteous before God.
@ThatsTahir2318 ай бұрын
Reread this verse again
@ThatsTahir2318 ай бұрын
So who does he inspire?
@knowledgeiswealth72277 ай бұрын
May Allah bless Dr Zakir Naik.🎉
@abdulgafaruabdul-rahamani46676 ай бұрын
May Allah bless you Dr Zakir Naik. May Allah keep refreshing your knowledge for ever.
@paragraph339stgb38 ай бұрын
Why he has to read a script on his smartphone if he tell his own expierence😮
@raisnuru70218 ай бұрын
This Man is well prepared to be famous
@salihuabdul-nasir15718 ай бұрын
You got it right!!!😊
@user-nl9ls6mo6x8 ай бұрын
He is famous already for more than 30yrs,
@smaq94378 ай бұрын
He is already super famous might be you are new to youtube or peace tv or seeker of truth .
@neilhenriques94358 ай бұрын
Why does he not want to debate Christian Prince on Skype on KZfaq. He will be made into mash potatoes
@JomKiter8 ай бұрын
Why does PC reject debating openly? Can you arrange an open debate so that Dr Zakir and PC can debate? That will be nice..
@PeterChuks-fz9de8 ай бұрын
Muslim people know the truth that is Way the truth and life
@alusineahmadbangura66177 ай бұрын
Maa Shaa Allaah Tabaraka Allaah 😍 This brother is totally disturbed with his questions
@azeezbobo-bz6mt8 ай бұрын
All what Zakir Naik is doing is not really surprising me,if it's truly he's that knowledgeable and he believes Islam is the true religion,he should go and debate Christian prince or Sam shamoun,that's when I can accept all his teachings,aside from that,all is twaddle
@babs38728 ай бұрын
Man never accepts a debate, where all his selling points will be squashed in minutes except to give speeches amongst people who are dying to believe his words are true
@azeezbobo-bz6mt8 ай бұрын
@@babs3872 that's just it,I was even expecting maybe one of the questionnaire will challenge him why he is running away from Christian prince,at least both of them are apologist in their respective religion
@adamnazifi8 ай бұрын
He challenged the pope himself and they rejected any open dialogue or debate
@azeezbobo-bz6mt8 ай бұрын
@@adamnazifi does the pope knows the understand all what's in the Quran, I'm talking about someone who have the full knowledge of both the Bible and the quran,let him defeat him,then I can believe his teachings
@ismailabdullahiishaq19878 ай бұрын
Go and watch the debate between Christian prince, sam, and the third guy I can't remember his name. All 3 guys against sheikh Usman Farouk on one true message foundation
@ibrahimmuazzamabdullahi63188 ай бұрын
Allah is with you Zakir Naik.
@Wanted_Cookie7 ай бұрын
if he says good question = game over🔥
@babawaleibraheem91967 ай бұрын
Alhamdulillah, i am Muslim, how i wish more scholars are doing this, like that of imam Umar
@markabhassan84058 ай бұрын
To all the bjp and naija hate trolls and hate filled comments, go 'expire' no matter what you write our deen will always stand for truth, not lies and pretence, so abuse him and us all you want you will gain nothing.
@Itsme_cjayraw8 ай бұрын
Jesus' authoritative testimony that He was the Promised Messiah: "I am the Bread of Life." (John 6:48.) "I am the light of the world." (John 8:12.) "Before Abraham, was I am." (John 8:58.)
@ajajjjaj92338 ай бұрын
The gospel of John is a false book and soon to be thrown out of the Bible
@superkarim708 ай бұрын
😅 Who was John?!?!?!
@Itsme_cjayraw8 ай бұрын
@@superkarim70 John the Apostle was one of Jesus's closest disciples and is identified more than once in the New Testament of the Bible as the "one whom Jesus loved." John was the son of Zebedee, brother of James, and a fisherman by trade
@abubakarmabubakar89748 ай бұрын
During his lifetime the Jesus was the light, similarly during the lifetime of Moses he was the light same thing during the time of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him He is the only light
@superkarim708 ай бұрын
@@Itsme_cjayraw according to whome? While the authors of the bibles are unknown Who are you trying to deceive? None of the authors was an eye witnesses Try something else, this one is old