This is actually an onager. An old technology that had fallen out of use by about the 6th century. They were replaced by the real mangonel, which is a traction trebuchet (aka a petrary or perrier) which is capable of a much faster rate of fire of the same size of projectile. These were invented in China and brought west during the early Middle Ages.

just watched the trebuchet video, it's amazing how the mangonel and the trebuchet shoots EXACTLY the same distance. not to mention the odds of that lady walking by at the exact moment of the shot in BOTH cases... wow!

this device requires more engineers my lord

"Prepare to loose...aaand loo- WOLOLOLOL" *unit converted*

It's good, but it's not quite able to launch a 90kg stone projectile over 300m.

When I went to Caerphilly castle there were some dead carp in the lake. Now I know why.

Wow, I'm extremely impressed with the velocity. That big ass rock going at those speeds will surely leave a small crater.

Our pond is under attack once more, my liege!! The land walker again? Aye! By their trebuchet? Naye! By what then?! MANGONEL By the Shrimps!!!

They need to upgrade this to a Mangonel as soon as they reach the Imperial Age

This is great I am looking for something that lauches 90kg projectiles over 300m

Anyone else notice that they use the same shot of the moat for all these videos? The trebuchet uses the exact same shot and the Perrier uses it again only mirrored.

Good to see them load it caerphilly.

He said pull with all your might, Dan..

The whole idea of this video was actually pretty cool.. only downside is the footage that was taken. How far and fast it went didn't do it any justice

this thing is cool since it's possible to have many of these with only on man necessary to service it. would likely be easier to transport due to it's compactness compared to the trebuchet.

"This device require skilled engineers my lord"

They used the same clip when the trajectory landed in the water for the trebuchet

not mangonel, onager

This is the ancestor of Modern Mortars.

They definitely have to adjust the throwing angle. It almost shoots horizontally. At about 45° they would get a by far wider range.

Siege warfare was often about waiting. Defenders waiting behind walls and attackers waiting out the defenders within the walls. The only other option was to attack. Try to go over the walls, which created fatal funnels of the ladders used to scale the walls. That is assuming a ladder (or siege tower) could even be brought to bear upon a wall. Moats, ditches and barriers kind of made that tricky. Tunneling was an option, but was almost as time-consuming as a siege of attrition and dangerous for the attackers. So what was the solution? Breach the wall. You get a breach and ground troops can flood into the defensive position. Even small projectiles can breach a wall if you keep lobbing them. Catapults throwing relatively small but dense projectiles can achieve that, but it takes repetition. That may seem odd to us, but we have to remember what could the defenders do? Counter attack with their own catapult? Not likely. Their own walls deny them a clear line-of-sight on the attackers. They would have to fire over their walls and thus lose some range. Also, the attackers aren't worried about maintaining the integrity of a defensive wall. All of the advantage is on the attackers' side as they chip away at the walls. Let's take another tact. What if small projectiles are useless at breaching the wall even over the course of days, even weeks? What if they can only be hurled over the wall but cannot physically breach the defenses themselves? You still have a vital weapon against the defenders. It adds pressure to an already tense situation. It takes away any sense of personal safety such that you can be killed even if you are not manning the walls. It chips away at morale and conviction.

Maybe in middle age they would put a mark on the place the rocks use to hit, then they would put two of these catapults next to each other to shoot rocks attached with a rope or a chain, then when enemies armies reach the marks the rocks and the chain would do a mess on them, unless the rock falls in a right angle

The halt doesent have much to do with the release , the stop is there just to stop the arm , the actual thing that releases the rock is that angled nail on top of the throwing arm . Idk stopping might just make the process happen slightly sooner depending on how the angled hook is set

i was very interested in this video grrrr

I feel like I also learned somthing about the origin of the dude who invented the ratchet

Mangonel ready sire!

Why dont they show the projectile going through the air in slow motion and at real time to get an idea of power and range

awesome

Good Shoot

Catapult ready malord!

This fires a small projectile with fast speed so I assume its an anti-personnel weapon then? Does it fire multiple projectiles like in Age of Empires 2 may I ask :)

they should have added a second ratchet mechanism then it'd be a case of going backwards and forwards instead of taking the bar on and off all the time

Agreed.

Please, correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this an onager? Given how the thing is operated? I have a bit diffuclty understanding clearly the differences between onager, mangonel and trebuchet. Any clarification on the subject is highly appriciated!

torsion engine like a balista from rome or from that era, but more like an onager which ment wild ass and was more like a much smaller version of this engine using the torsion of the rope, on a ballista however they would often use rope and sinew from animals though, and since the arms moved they could and did break off, it was a very dangerous but very powerful wepon for seige warfair, well the ballista that is for its era in warfair, just saying though the way they power is the same.

Could anyone tell me what that metal wheel lock is and the handle they are using to rewind the swing arm at 0:12? What would those two thing be called these days?

isn't this an onager? I thought mangonels didn't have a torsion rope

CN anyone give me a site that this comes from im doing a research paper on this stuff and i need proper sources

This video was really cool, kind of.

Front on the ship+greak 🔥

With such equipment it's easy... (Asterix and Obelix Mission Cleopatra)

cool

Wow 😮

_maybe the only useful rooftop defense machine (in case ballista has difficult range of fire, from too high up).. is a mangonel.. it fires at the horde, if it invades from the outskirts of a base.. slower to load, so having them on roofs or behind palisade (if you're being 'forward defensive') is best.. since ballistae don't shoot through a Palisade, but this thing fires right over them, so it's great for defending those streets that are already barricaded, to gently bombard the enemy trying to break through.. a basic platform or flat frame can be used as a ladder to mount them on roofs, or take them down, to defend the streets if the enemy attacked from the other side of the base, and you're holding them back with Palisades.. they can fire medium rocks, like the trebuchet fires large rocks.. but with tens of times more strength than throwing them with a normal arm has.._ *Heavy Rooftop Defense (when you have average sized rocks, smaller rocks are for direct throwing attacks)*

so the advantage of this one is,,,you can transport it without disassembling it?

"God Sayve the King!"

a one way disengageable wrench would make this so much easier.

Woah…. Get me on it☠️

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It'll be more powerful if they put wheels on it.

it seems a small project, not enough to damage a fort. and what are the odds it hits somebody

They need something like a socket wrench that can tighten and reset without having to remove the bar!

use two cranks on both side with 2 guys pulling in turns. now instead of: pew pew pew you can now: pew pew pew pew pew

Mini? In my dream is big like a house

i like burritos

Could someone explain how the trigger rope works?

What is use for artillery piece that requires several minutes to load and fires at range that is less than archer's shot?

The teachers put this on the screen today

Who dredges the pond when it is full of projectiles?

How many times does he say "again?"

I showed this to an army of Arbalests. They are all dead now.

what is the range?

Catafolt ready for war

am i wrong to assume you'd require less turning of the cog if they use a larger cog?

so its like a modernized version of the roman onager

That thing may be a thousand years old but it still works...

That is not a torsion trebuchet... The lies! It burns!

I bet they used this to sling those dodecahedrons

Static mangonel

likely a lot safer to shoot into a lake than a wall, no shrapnel...

1:15 "oh shit"

im sure some used rope but didnt alota machines actually use animal ligaments? which ones used those? supposed to be more powerful than rope, more springy, rubbery right? im guessing meat factories use em for something? i wanna see some wealthy history lover buy some and make a rope and work with a group to see how it works, even if it doesnt work will learn alot im sure. seems like one of the only things i havnt yet seen attempted.

Upgrade

Torsion Engines

Long, width, tall?

This device killed de Montfort in June of 1218 crushing his face and changing the course of history.

The other half of the equation

Please consider adding captions for your deaf and hard-of-hearing viewers. I was able to watch but not listen and hear properly. Thank you.

Why are they showing how to operate this deadly weapon? don't they know someone can 3d print one???

All that and you probably would just take out a halberdier if you're an especially good shot.

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Thats not a mangonel

This is not a mangonel Mangonels do not use torsion

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wouldn't like to see the guy the rock would hit.

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I wonder how many poor fish were killed?

Why were these not in Civilization?

This isnt a mangonel...

Isn't that an onager?

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The mangonel looks a lot stronger than the trebuchet.

Age of empires 2

Difrent wood stronger

a lot of energy is wasted on the stopper

So much effort for that?

Onager not mangonel.

I dont think 1-2 minutes is accurate for loading time. Remember they had armies, so there were probably 6-7 people on one mangonel at a time. And if they had 8-10 weapons at their back, I bet those things were loosing every second.

This is an onager, not a mangonel, and neither would launch a 90kg projectile over 300m.

anyone here because of age of empires 4?