Probably a better use of time than the usual royal minutiae.

@@arynrowland862 Thatcher was a workaholic who did not know how to relax. The BRF .... reflect the British people European royals have always poked fun at the BRF's "middle class" attitudes. Because they sat through the Highland games and spent so much time visiting the "common" people.

The show is depicting Thatcher as a revolutionary here and I think there's truth to that.

It was the end of the post-war consensus.

​@boscovilante4068 People always assume Tories are fervent Royalists. But they're not. They hate the idea that we have a non-politucal head of state.

I've always thought that Mitterrand wanted to say 'the eyes of Hitler' but didn't dare to go that far.

HER FALL WAS A BLESSING TO THE WORLD

@@andrewnorth6472 Nah he would never have done that. Keep in mind he respected her, despite the disagreements. He was a strong support for her during Falklands. Also he would have avoided that, because the risk of some backfire regarding his own past during WWII would have been too strong.

@@andrewnorth6472 Thatcher was a negligent, divisive leader but definitely no Hitler. That man was a different kind of crazy.

@@andrewnorth6472Let’s not trivialise the Nazis..

Because she didn't want to tromp around in cold, muddy land; killing any thing & everything. Staying in a cold old castle with furniture you couldn't sit in because it was "Queen Victorias" Well get rid of the worn out chair. She was the Prime Minister. How dare the "royals" test her. For what. The joy of snickering. Because nothing better to do.

Indeed! Diana had a modicum of charisma and respect for people as human beings. Margaret on the other hand...

Diana was able to pass the challenge because she was already an aristocrat and grew up around the royal family and their staff. Her grandmother was a lady of the bedchamber to the Queen Mother. It would have been more remarkable if she hadn't known how to behave. Thatcher, on the other hand, was from a lower middle-class background and didn't know the unspoken assumptions and rituals of aristocrats.

@@joshuaclement1161 It was "remarkable" how the devious Diana fooled Charles and the royal family ( except for Princess Ann ) when Diana pretended to enjoy Balmoral. I'm guessing Diana is officially a grown woman now and at 19 a woman just has to do what she has to do to get that title of Princess of Wales. Poor Charlie - people don't see his side. What a selfish, stubborn and spoiled shrew Diana was!!

​@@joshuaclement1161Diana passed the test because her father and stepmother tutored on what to say and do. They never bothered to wonder how she'd cope with being expected to go traipsing through wet heather on _every_ holiday when she'd rather be shopping in Knightsbridge.

I am American so the RF has nothing to do with me at all. However, I always found it so nice that the RF spent time to speak with the people and interact with them. They don’t ignore them and float above it all. They shakes hands with the people, go to events, and speak to them. They are still Royal and carry themselves as such, but I always thought that was nice

Worth remembering it's not a documentary.

The worst part about Margaret Thatcher was her hypocrisy.

Worth remembering we were in Cold War

The worst part about Margaret Thatcher was the hypocrisy.

It’s rural and muddy

Right!? I would LOVE to go there for a visit. I would LOVE to watch these games! They seem like they would be so incredibly fun!

As a Mediterranean, I wouldn't love it probably. Its climate is colder and far too rainier for my taste. Not enough sunlight.

​@@AlexS-oj8qf And co-o-o-ld. Even for Northern Scotland.

@@anonUK Haha I look it up and it’s in a valley I bet it is windy af 😆

She was an obnoxious snob in this scene. But then she was an obnoxious snob in reality.

@@JimMac23 for better or worse,a butt-kicking obnoxious snob.

​@@JimMac23I mean thouse people participating in these activities she obviously hates are the hard working people for which she claims to stay for

She was criticizing the royal family not the people at the festival.

@@hans7686 there are also rich specimens at the cattle festival. They're the ones dressed up as Woody from Toy Story at the VIP area

Given that the camera pans to the right and focuses directly on the royal family I'd say she was criticizing them.

And one of the benefits of having a parliamentary system is supposed to be that the figurehead head of state is supposed to do all the feel-good ceremonial stuff like this, and the actual head of government is freed up to do the actual running of government executive affairs. While the President of the United States (which merges both roles) has to spend time pardoning turkeys and throwing out the first pitch of the baseball season etc.

@@IrishCarneyI actually think the Secretary of State is the real dogs body and does most of the actual work.

With a touch of french viking, dont forget

I thought it was a reference to The Windsors being Saxe Coburg Gotha.

remember this is fictional. I truly doubt she said anything like this just like how the Lord Mountbatten plot of forming a coup was based on rumours not reality.

Damn actors. Damn script…!

@@muhammadrizqiandrian2910 And Norse Viking, as one heads north

It is an atrocious parody.

Diana grew up in the country. She had her own class consciousness but she did not deplore the common people. *Thatcher was a snob*

​@@here_we_go_again2571 "Lady" Diana pretended to enjoy Balmoral before she married Charles. Poor Charles fell for this! After they were married Diana had to be dragged to Scotland! Shy Di was sly Di. What a phoney!!!

So it seems

@@user-sz4hp6kz8c Indeed.

They’re wanna be country folk, as evident that none of them know how to actually cook. Prince Philip being the exception but that’s cuz he was born to family that was exiled and had to learn those skills

She saw it for what it was

Tv shows have writers. Writers are ALMOST ALWAYS on the left. Leftists will always portray those in the Right poorly. (Also the average age of writers on this tv show means they were likely either not alive, or not adults during the time when Thatcher was prime minister.)

“Bread and circuses” is used by ineffective leadership to distract from very real problems. She wanted to be in government, not a pageant.

@@freemason4979 Thatcher was an elitist. The same type of person who dominate the WEF.

​@freemason4979 and mishandled it in the worst way possible, and not just her. Diana also noticed the bread and circuses, and also mishandled it in her own way. Thatcher:taking them away led to a widespread financial crises that many low to average citizens still never fully recovered to this day. Diana: gave herself over to the circuses so much, that the people never did stop chasing her up until all the way up to her car accident.

Yeah the writing for Thatcher was awful. It was even more awful seeing one of my favorite actresses, Gillian Anderson portray Thatcher the way it was written. I don’t get me wrong, I’m far from a fan of Thatcher, but she was so much more nuanced and complex than how the Crown portrayed her

Looks like there's some real skill to it, too. I have no idea how a man can toss an entire log like that without hurting himself. It's really quite impressive!

Oh it’s so much fun.

True enough, and Thatcher was blinkered enough not to see it

And that was her downfall

I never met her, so wouldn't know.

The royal one would never be addressed just as Margaret but Princess Margaret whereas Thatcher would be addressed just Margaret or in other terms, The Iron Lady

⁠@@e.leohassanmodeste756or worse. I can think of a few other names I’d call thatcher than her name or nicknames.

The miniature is an image of Margaret Thatcher and, as someone else has pointed out, Elizabeth's sister would never be formally referred to as Margaret, but rather as Princes Margaret, so I think there's enough context for any reasonable person to understand the title refers to the Prime Minister and not the Queen's sister.

@@e.leohassanmodeste756but colloquially, including by fans of the show, people refer to the royals without their title. As for government officials, people usually refer to them by their last names. I’ve never heard Margaret Thatcher regarded as “Margaret” publicly; only as “Thatcher”.

Yes, they made the character far too wooden and singularly minded which of course she was in politics but there is plenty of evidence as to her softer side.

​​​@@growinsane9123 I think PM Thatcher would have been careful and cautious with the media around and microphones would pick up everything. Scotland is a major part of the UK! Thatcher and her husband would have probably liked the fresh air and games and sports events for the day. I doubt Thatcher and her husband Denis said these insensitive things.

@@growinsane9123the creators of the show apparently have had a particular persuasion in politics, including, among other things, supposedly republicanism.

How dare you sully the reputation of HRH Charles and Queen Tampax.

@@user-ne3yw2cu6c 😄😄😄

There are whole articles on social attitudes devoted to the cruel pursuits of the upper classes - to invite guests and laugh at them, setting 'social traps' for them - what fork, spoon, etc. Delighting in humiliating people. Vile.

I don't think this is the intended impression. Thatcher was never anti-monarchy, she just saw the aristocratic class as weak-willed wets who let the country go the wrong way.

I mean it's kind of expounding on her perspective, that there were very very few actual competent powers in our society. And that a great period of reform would be required to properly remove them and reset the social hierarchy. Her ideas were sound. She was correct in her assessment of people who were supposed to be her peers, and they're people we all still agree today are bad leaders... Her only issue was that she pushed it too hard when she had basically no allies, none in her party or the opposition, nor in the media or public or monarchy. But she was right. About all of it and all of them. Her one single flaw was pushing it without support, but she only had no support because of how corrupt all other powerful figures were and still are.

​@@KvltklassikShe seems to resent noble birth privilege, can't blame her too.

​@@Kvltklassik tbh I feel she is more reviled because neo-librialism her main ideology failed to deliver the wealth to the masses it promised and only really succeeded in swapping one upper class for another. The power just went to corporate elitists over aristocrat elitists. And the workers suffered arguably worse.

You forgot to mention that she changed her accent into a snobbish exaggerated RP and switched from Methodist to Anglican!

No: there was an excellent book recently by a university professor solely devotee to the vexed topic of the Queen and Maggie's interaction. It was much worse than can be surmised, and giving tge OM etc to Maggie on her way out was the Establishmemts way of effectively silencing her and sweeping things under the carpet. Buck House and No. 10 were basically at loggerheads for the entire 11 years of Maggie's tenure.

@@JoeLondon-te3hf and I suppose her ceremonial funeral with full military honours and the Queen’s attendance at said funeral was designed to silence her from beyond the grave?!!

​@@JamesDevereuxWebber Parliament and the government of the day determine who is entitled to what sort of public funeral. The Queen's attendance can't be taken as a measure of her personal feelings either way. If her ministers advise her to attend, she must follow their advice.

@@joshuaclement1161 actually that is not correct. Parliament is only required to vote in favour of granting a STATE funeral. CEREMONIAL funerals only require the consent of the monarch who may or may not be advised by the Government of the day. Monarchs themselves are an exception as the right to a State Funeral is automatic in their case. In terms of Baroness Thatcher, the late Queen’s attendance was not presumed.

@@JamesDevereuxWebber Thatcher a monarchist? LOL, nope.

That's the Crown for you.

It IS rude, plain and simple. It's like spitting out the food served to you as a guest.

To be fair the Highland games do look a bore.

It was upper-class Scottish good time

How are the poor White Boers doing? For that matter, how are the murder, r*pe, literacy and unemployment rates in SA doing?

Gillian Anderson pretending to be an actress.

Yes. Indeed. I’ve also felt this way

Because she was the bad evil character in reality.

I mean the scots did not lile her when she was PM, they feelt very much neglected by her time in office

It's upper-class Scottish culture. Thatcher loathed the upper class, and this isn't real event

Not the Scots, the royals.

It's a fake scene, but Thatcher hated the upper-class. This event is an upper-class Scottish event.

in a way yes

My thoughts exactly!! I doubt very much she was that horrible

Yes, they were participating in the games.

Yes, goodness me Thatcher never wanted to be boorish, snobbish, or rude. :) She completely missed her husbands jab.

They really were. At least from the show's perspective. They were all incredibly rude to her and to Diana. They expected people to know where to sit, how to curtsy, whom to curtsy to first, what to wear for casual drinks versus dinner. I thought the entire family treated anyone not in the family abhorrently.

Is ……. And always will be

Hum, so @1:10 was her character referencing Scottish people or just the monarchy?

@@juliaalexander5788 I believe she was talking about the monarchy.

Salut, bună seara! 😀🇷🇴🇪🇸

Braemar, not Balmoral.

Pompous snob? Thatcher? You mean between helping to end Communism and the Cold War? While Scotland ate haggis?

@@justsayin3228 Thatcher wasnt working class.

@@justsayin3228you’re right. She was a pompous witch.

@@kb4903She was born to a grocer. She certainly was working class and worked her way up.

She hated Scotland, and she proved it, horrifically.

Too bad she fired Satan and closed all the furnaces....

this is a fictionalized story....the Thatcher I remember was far from what you may think, and far from having a stick up her behind.

@@maestroCanuck An absolutely horrible PM.

Stick? She was helping to remove Communism and the Cold War. Bit more important than parlor games.

@@anthonycovarrubias5949 that is your opinion but here's mine: she was a better PM than any other since.

She was the worst PM that the U.K. ever had.

It's tradition for retiring prime ministers to be offered a peerage or life peerage.

@joshuaclement1161 again, still doesn't make sense if the PM in question was not wholsomly loyal to your monarch.

No we don't.

Who would miss a dictator like her?

Or she values world events more than parlor events?

@@justsayin3228 Thatcher was a snob. The monarchy are not about world events. The British monarchy is about local events.

English visitors lap this stuff up more than most Scots. Most Scots find it boring.

Because she was a snob.

@@JimMac23 Thatcher was indeed a snob. Thatcher's contempt and disrespect of "the people" is the exact opposite of that of the public face of the BRF. I do not believe that her late majesty, Elizabeth ii or Prince Philip had contempt for the people, nor do any of any of the older royals (with the possible exception of Prince Michael's wife). The monarchy and the people's efforts to survive and to win WW2 was a unifying factor for that generation. It is obvious that Prince Andrew has contempt for the people. The rest of his generation do not appear to have contempt for the common British man or woman. Nor do William or Catherine. Harry has contempt for everyone; as does Meghan. The two of them probably have some sort of narcissism, or another mental/emotional disorder. Nearing 40, Prince Harry is probably realizing that he has failed at everything that he has set his hand to; except for disrespecting and disparaging his father.

No. Monarchy can be useful. Balmoral is a thing of the past but young 🤴 is what GB needs.

they have no idea what really was said, so make it up trying to be interesting and happily inserting their own biases. That's entertainment!

She was never right. She was a terrible person.

I think she had to learn received English.

She certainly had the characteristic lack of self-awareness or humility! XD

Hardly working class, her father owned his own business and when she went to grammar school it was fee-paying.

Middle/ working class. Her dad ran a local store and was a local politician. Small business owner. And she was given a good education as well, which took advantage of studying chemistry. I would call her solidly middle class in upbringing.

Not really, she was lower middle class, from Lincolnshire. Tellingly, when at school she was known as "snobby Roberts".

To be fair, an honest depiction of Thatcher isn't very nice either. She had her virtues, but her legacy largely rests on how cruel she was to the working class for the benefit of the rich.

@@jonathanraithel1025 That is not the case. She saved Britain and lead it from being the poorhouse of Europe, ungovernable in the suffocating grip of unions, back to a flourishing , wealthy country. Even if you completely disagree with that just watch and discussion or interview with her: she was brilliant and an animated speaker with lively mimic and intonation, not the ridiculous sounding sleeping pill Anderson made her to be.

She would have saved thousands of lives from idiocy

Thatcher was a monster. Had she still been PM today she'd have let a million die from COVID.

She was an old witch. She destroyed many people's lives.

I think it is more about the producers attitude toward Thatcher.

I'm not so sure that PM Thatcher wanted to change Scotland from "top to bottom ". Why!? What's wrong with the Scots? They are wonderful just as they are!! I'm a very proud American but my ancestors were Italian ( not sure how we got the Scottish name of Morrison ) and I enjoyed visiting Scotland. The Scotts were smart and nice and fun! Maybe Thatcher in reality had a great time in the Highlands and meeting with people. Thatcher would have known to accept people as they are. Elvis had Scottish roots. That's one for Scotland! A big one!! 😂 LoL

@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc If she really felt that way about Scotland, then she was a hateful old hag.

But freedom approves of her

@@justsayin3228Freedom to die of poverty?

​@@justsayin3228freedom to wait years for a flat. Freedom to lose your job. Freedom to lose your life for some pointless island in the ocean. Freedom to be taxed more and more eh

​@@justsayin3228 Negative freedom vs positive freedom.

@@ErnestoHerrera2002 pay them no heed. They’ve been going on every anti-Thatcher comment and singing paeans about her.

And she was quite wrong about that. As she was wrong about many things.

Her privatisation of public services has cost us dearly

Yes, one the greatest prime ministers ever!

@@cjjk9142 can you say if nothing had been privatised that things would be any better? I highly doubt it since from my experience the public sector makes an expensive mess of things, just as it was in the 1970's. It is accountability and smart thinking that is needed whether private or public, if you don't have that you get a corrupt mess.

She was a hateful old hag who destroyed many people's lives.