Totally. I’ve watched this 20 times since it’s release, maybe double....

Lmao Rameshs quote was hilarious

@@bovrilbadboy1 those are rookie numbers

corrupted peanut I need to pump myself up.....

same

Did you notice his eyes after saying that?

Mr. Irons, always a truly class act...

Yep it's like he glares at the other two like y'all are already in enough shit, you're not going to bully him right now

@@masukuma for sure! He looks over at those 2 like “you better not scare him into holding back the truth.”

The way he walks them into saying, out loud, the answer to the problem even though he already knows it too. Just so good.

Why did they do it for free?

This movie is something different and allows for a unique way to act. And thinking about it's cult, you get payed in a different way

⁠@@Airyedaccording to tvtropes they liked the script so much they agreed to be paid the minimum amount to be on the movie

Spacey has been found innocent. Just a great veteran actor now

@@chrisfearn4837He is a joy to watch

Maybe this sort of calm confident talk is copied from the military. I worked on a trading desk for 8 years and none of my bosses ever showed such calm. Infact the motto was that if youre calm and aure of yourself, you're not carrying enough risk. 😂

I second this.

@@kth6736 Interesting. Could it be that this attitude is precisely why the market has needed to be bailed out by the government time after time?

@@Primitarian banks were bailed out only once... Not "time after time"

@@kth6736 Except that the Fed bailed out the banks in 2009, also in 1998 (with $3.5 billion for Long Term Capital Management). And of course the New Deal was bailout of the entire economy from the Great Depression, which was triggered by the collapse of a Wall Street that had experienced a huge bubble fueled buying stocks on margin, i.e., with loans. So they have been bailed out and yes, time after time.

Couldn’t disagree more. Everyone in this scene shines. Every note rings true. Even the non speaking roles are on point

@@broheme8922 I mean, you're right, but I think you're looking too deep into it lol. It's not that hard to make distraught gestures and expressions without speaking.

I'd be happy just to sit there for free

Fake it till you make it

Pea brain

Own all three. I like your angle. I'd only add one more to the mix. 1987's Wall Street as it sets the table.

Quadrology: Floored - The Trading Docu

The Big Short is so we'll Acted

99 homes the peoples side sort of

but you forgot the wolf on wallstreet

That actor had more screen time in The Big Short (2015). 😂😂😂

Every well-run company needs a Carmelo on their staff 🤣

“It’s done” Carmelo drives to Eric’s house, classic 😂

I really wish they had done more with Carmelo's character...

@@hmbpnz I just like how subtle but impactful the character was. Kind of like an extension of Iron's power. The whole movie gives heft to every level of management they move up, and by the time it gets to Iron's it feels like they summoned an ancient creature of vast power lol Carmelo's absolute assurance reflects the standards Iron requires of those in his circle.

Yeah! Not “I will try” or “let me see what I can do”…Carmelo delivers!

And he ultimately could not deliver! 😂

@@TheAdarshMehta true… Will beat him to Eric. But I am guessing the vehicle that pulled up was one of his?

@@masukuma Yes, it was. But from what I remember, it was not clearly shown if he really did go with them or chose to stick to his ego and deny going with them. It was left to us. I chose to believe he did not, haha.

@@TheAdarshMehta he went with them after they threatened his options. he earned $176,471 an hour to sit with Sarah in a room as the events of the firesale took place.

+ bigmaxy07 --> I agree totally. No special effects, no overpowering musical score. Just dialogue that actually advances and tells the story in a very entertaining and comprehensive way. Along with actors and actresses that keep you riveted to what they are saying.

This movie is brilliant. I can watch it over and over.

@@petergriffin7401 i

Well said

12 angry men.

Hard work is intimidating?

I took it as he got where he is through aggressive; possibly violent means.

Yup, comes off as an innocuous and humorous comment until you realise what it really means, and contrasts very well with his charming demeanour.

Brandon Daniels hahaha

@@Duzz14 I thought of it more as man who understands that being charming, likeable, and absolutely ruthless is what has got him ahead, and he says as much later in the scene. He understands that ability and brains are important but knowing people and how a market acts is much more important than being smarter. That's why he earns the big bucks. His job is part fortune teller, part axe man, part being the face of the company.

Yea at that moment he was probably aware they knew this was a problem and they were part of the problem and him saying 'youre speaking to ME" is like you two aren't going to bully him

The look over is a serious power move that’s also remarkably nuanced for them to direct and capture in this scene. The attention to detail is fantastic. I’ve sat in many of these rooms and this is exactly how it goes.

Never noticed that! Incredible acting from Irons

ohhh

It is also his way of telling the analyst Sullivan here that he is protected from retribution of his nominal superiors, so he can speak freely without repercussion.

The effect of all of that is subliminal on first viewing. Thank you for the analysis.

This whole scene is the bees knees.

Very astute, sir. Yes, there are layers in this scene as there are in any good piece of drama. What bothered me was Jeremy Irons who, although right for the role, over-emoted at times. I can't see a seasoned, deep-pockets CEO losing his shit like that in a company meeting.

Your comment deserves more likes! Totally agree!!

This is technically true, there is however a sound track used in movies like this which can't be heard they way we are used to hearing sounds, the sound is a low pitch noice which slightly irritates the body to cause tension, its not harmful but that's how a lot of 'soundless' scene create the dramatic effect, combine with great acting.

I keep coming back to this damn clip on KZfaq. It's like some sort of drug.

It’s our generations 12 Angry Men.

Yeah they make fuck tons of money and have a lot of people slurping over them.

I am with you...but it turns my stomach every time!

Ha! Same here, somehow this scene has some strange addictive quality that defies analysis.......replay!!

Ok so its not just me. I watch this over and over. Its just so well done.

These and the Big Short

This is my first time seeing the scene (I'll need to watch the full movie now). I love the way they showed Tuld side eyeing the man and woman executives while the younger guy was trying to speak.

Yeah totally agree. And the way he 100% understands the severity of the problem immediately and screams ‘this is it!!’ - he’s only been briefed about 60 seconds ago !

Totally agree, I noticed that too.

@@ajwebb220587 He's known about the potential problem for quite awhile. Peter just pulled the alarm, notifying Tuld (and more to the point, the other partners) that the smoking excrement pile in the basement has just flared into an open blaze and the blaze is now racing up the elevator shafts into the executive suits.

He understood the problem before the meeting ever started, he probably understood it months ago. He was waiting for this to happen and his job is/was to make as much money as possible for the company while getting out before it went sour. He knew everything beforehand - the problem, the solution, the repercussions, and the personalities involved. In the end, he got exactly what he wanted. That's why he earns the big bucks.

It aggravated him but he is a fair manager - he realizes that there’s a limit he can rely on an associate like Sullivan (who has already exceeded his role) and so he then directs his annoyance to those above Sullivan who failed to see this coming and should have brought it to his attention sooner

A true bro

It’s pretty realistic actually it’s a little nice addition of your every day life and who you’d meet. That’s why this movie nails everything so well. It feels like the real world

@@Elias-kb6wt I agree with you observation. Not only that, he was in the know, even if he was totally unimportant, the knowledge he possessed could destroy the company so it only makes sense to keep him in the loop until the deals were done. His knowledge was pretty much worthless when they had sold everything, but if he had been kicked out because he wasnt important enough that could really fuck them over. So you keep him there, even if he is totally unimportant and way over his head.

Yep. I find it hysterical that he was even at the table.

Even leaving aside the dangerous knowledge stuff they could’ve just told him to not say a word to anyone and sent him home for the night. It was clear he barely understood what was happening. Maybe the Paul Bethany also included him in this meeting as a courtesy since the smart analyst was his friend and called him which started off this whole thing

I just found out about this movie 2 seconds ago wtf thus is underrated

Me too! I think I need to watch this!!!! This scene is incredible

It was only shot on the KZfaq Red camera too. The best of the best casting was made here. Plus the directing

Meaning he got replaced by a ponzi scheme? lmao

It's way above any standard!

Thats what i tell people about myself

@@Dreamformeable /r Iamverybadass

@@josephtownsend7481 r/woosh

"If you're smart, play dumb. If you're dumb, play smart. If you're strong, play weak. If you're weak, play strong" Sun Tsu :)

Wait, What? I don't get it.

Really nice work

The CEO is not concerned about the firing but more about the information leak from Eric Dale, if he gets in contact with some other entity. They were all making good money but knew it would not last long. Eric Dale was fired because he wanted to stop risky behaviour, but others still wanted to make money. The problem with Eric Dale was, he could not figure out exactly, how much risk the company was in. He did not have a concrete model. This is where Sullivan came in, and provided an exact solution. The result was that, if they don't deal with this immediately, the upcoming loss would be insurmountable.

@@saurabh1087yes and no. When you lose a job like this you usually are not allowed to talk about what you did or things that are going on. The firing of Eric Dale was kind of personal by Demi Moores character which is why the President and CEO were out of the loop. The CEO was hedging his bet. True he does not want Eric Talking but he also wants all hands on deck. If he needs Eric during the last day he has him.

​@@MTMT7777 That only applies for things like being pushed by a competitor. These guys just realized that if Eric Dale is allowed to, the federal government has electron microscope images of the most disgusting segments of their corporate colon. He can release basically anything to the IRS or SEC and tell them exactly what accounts, funds, and projects to look at to inflict maximum damage.

nah dont be naive. tuld dont give a damn on these kind of things but money. and eric is just a piece of chess to give clarity into this crisis and to shut his mouth while they sold off all the stocks. the fact u'd watched this movie and still thinks these higher ups care about the company? really ? the company and its structure are merely a facade, a money making tool. paul bethany emphasized exactly that early in the movie. none of them are immature. all of them knew this shit was going to happen sooner or later but they just kept the money running in for as long as they can. tuld, baker, moore they all "knew". now this meeting is just a show, a display so to speak. they already know what's coming and it was determined long ago that they would resort to selling all these trash stocks. it's just a matter of time. the only "immature" guy here is kevin spacey who still hold to ethics ground.

‘This is it!’ Amazing that Sam didn’t know what this meant, however being the audience with hindsight we know exactly what he meant. It really was it

so basically he was saying that this is the end !

And Tuld knew some of those people they were gonna sell to were gonna go out of business so pissing them off would be irrelevant.

In the earlier meeting with Jarod, Sam also said “do you” and Sam just confirmed. Seems it gave Sam the strength to say it again to Tuld, but he underestimated him. Beautiful how hierarchy is processed through the scenes all the time…

And John knows damn good and well when the dust settles he will be able to either get those same buyers back or find new ones bc in a later scene he puts it best "we can't help ourselves"

Most definitely

Because Chandler was not well known back then. My favorite is ‘A Most Violent Year’ though.

I have been a stockbroker for nearly 20 years and sold all manner of securities. Unfortunately this movie flies over the head of 3 out of 4 licensed stockbrokers.

@@christansdad That is very interesting. I have been interested in learning about investing in the stock market. Could you give me a good resource to check into where I can learn about that stuff? Thanks so much.

I never saw this so I'll take a look. The big short is good as well

LOL

Haha, I like that

nice

Yes, very true 🙂..Always better to speak in simple language than some jazzy numbers and terms

🤣🤣

"Silence"

The silence of this scene would've been torture to Christopher Nolan.

@@Sirvanic Haha, that's very true. I honestly want someone to add the "docking with endurance" from Inception music to this scene!

still in the business?

@@lordrataxes5192 lol

Nobody talks like this. Some terrible film exposition in this scene.

*Then throws a dog treat to him

Lol

what do you think camelo would have done?

😂😂😂

lol

omg ... omg what ? ... pinkyring ... 2:54

Excellent and believable script too.

Thanks go to the actors themselves, many of them top tier actors, who weren't paid well for this low budget movie, but made it because they thought it was important.

but it was. the power of duality/contradiction

It is such a great line, because it is true in so many places.

Anyone who thinks this is good has never been in a business meeting, knows nothing about finance.

Don’t talk bull.

@@MrIahora Exactly. The claim that this monologue is great is BS.

@@fjccommish Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

@@MrIahora haters gonna hate hate hate

I've been the youngest person in a board meeting and had this done to me. A question that should have gone to the executive leading my department was instead addressed directly to me. I answered as plainly and honestly as I could, but it was nerve wracking. I thought I was being tested or something, turns out the board member who asked it really just wanted a straight answer without any fluff.

@@nickc3856 I had it done to me a few times in my 20's (I'm 60 now) I was the guy who prepped all the number slides , so same role as the guy in the film clip. My boss stopped taking me to the meeting . When I got to be the "boss" I always aimed to know more about the numbers than the person who compiled them.

I think its because young people are generally innocent(in comparison with corporate dudes) and he has the least to loose

@@nickc3856 Yep, been there done that to.

@@iliyanpetrov4686I came to the same conclusion It makes sense ( in my opinion)

You just described an algorithm. Ironic, isn't it?

Most time they royaly screw up and it's abbandon ship time. Not for the CEO though, they always have excelent recomandations and good friends up there.

Indeed. Can confirm, since I am one of them :-)

The best leaders are never experts - they are team builders, or I guess you could say they are expert at team building

@@Tony07UK tbh, times back then were different. As soon as a girl had her first period she was a "woman".

you motherfucher have eagle sights, jesus christ😂

I also like that Mr Tuld picks up on the fact that Sullivan feels intimidated by his bosses (3:37) during his explanation and says, " 'you're speaking with ME' Mr Sullivan" and give them a warning glare. He wants a direct, unvarnished account of the company's problems.

Seen that multiple times in real life senior management meetings

Directors are always very high level low detail. The line is very accurate.

Haha exactly. ...but that's part of the brilliance, wouldn't you say?

@@ilovebrandnewcarpets i like the folding paper and putting a pencil through it to explain timetravel in Interstellar lol

The douchebags on top believe it or not don’t know the meaning of technical jargon. The line is there to show that these douchebags are never as smart as the frontline. The one thing they posses is to take all emotion out of decision making.

GizmoMaltese 1:20 nuff said

Not exactly, but yes it's a great story. It's _loosely_ based on the Lehman Bros debacle of 2008. The scriptwriter even took the liberty of naming Irons' character "Tuld" after Lehman CEO Dick Fuld. 🤣 The BIG difference is that Fuld was told by scores of people under him and at Treasury to dump Lehman's toxic mortgage-backed bonds and sell his firm at a reasonable price. But Fuld was far too selfish and greedy to do that at the prices he was offered that first week of Sept 2008 and prior. Then, at the last minute on the 2nd weekend after the heads of all the other major US wire houses met with Treasury chief Hank Paulson, Fuld wanted to broker a deal with a Japanese bank which had shown interest in buying Lehman. But it was too late; that bank had lost interest because Lehman's stock had fallen so precipitously fast, and they were rightfully scared that the toxic assets were worth even less than the book value Lehman had assigned them. So instead of drafting a letter of intent to sell, Lehman counsel had to finish that weekend preparing the largest bankruptcy filing in history; basically over 25,000 employees lost their jobs the next day (9/15/08). Wall Street went into a panic, and the stock market into a tailspin that took years to recover from. TLDR -- Had Dick Fuld done what fictional Tuld did (sell the toxic assets off in pieces before the rest of the market knew how bad they really were), OR sold Lehman earlier, the company might have survived in some form, many of those jobs likely would've been saved, and perhaps the financial crisis wouldn't have been as bad as it turned out to be.

@@Sharky165 It's actually not based on Lehman. The name similarity makes it confusing. This is actually based on Goldman Sachs (the first firm out the door). They did exactly what happened later that morning.

So that WE May Survive. Sad story but cold performance

At a fair market price not current

....Like Doge coin at 60 cents🤣

well someone like Tuld needs distilled information free of fluff or extraneous babble, because he doesn't have the luxury of time, he needs to make his decisions quickly and without hesitation.

To understand that line you have to include the scene right before they go into the room, where Cohen looks at the others and tells them to be completely honest and sugar-coat nothing... because "nobody here is smart enough".

But then you see later he is quite intelligent, as he rattles off the list of financial crises over history as he eats lunch (the "it's just money" scene). And of course he is a step ahead of everyone in the room but needs to get them on board with dumping those assets right away. He is more than an entrepreneur or a Cassandra for the market; he has cunning and manipulation skills too.

“It wasn’t brains that got me here, I can assure you of that”

Meh. Irons' accent is inconsistent. If you can't hear that you need better ears.

Jared had already come to that conclusion before even calling the higher executives.

To my mind, it's very impressive conclusion. Nice job, my man

oh... that explanation runs rings around my brain..

He gave them a head start to offload all the shit, he should expect a fat bonus at the end of the day and a promotion to the top floor. Or to retire and come back as a consultant charging obscene amounts per hour/

​@@swangelok I mean, at the end of the movie it's shown that Jared's personally bringing Peter up to the Executive's Lounge, where Sam and Tuld are having a meal. And considering they just let two of the highest ranking people in Risk Management go... (Eric and Robertson) Well, there's a few seats that need filling, just saying.

@@flyerton99 the CEO literally told Sam in that scene that Sullivan is going to be promoted..

For a good portion of those meetings Sullivan doesn't realize he is the smartest person in the room, but the CEO could tell and knew they would need him in the times ahead (the other execs knew it too, but their reaction was more along the lines oh sh*t this kids background makes what he's saying indisputable and unable to be spun by them).

@@swangelok This is low-level analysis.

Yes, it's just you. See you tomorrow.

@@scottmcgaffney6712 lol

I keep re-watching the whole movie...

And what have you mainly learned from it?

Wonderful acting

#metoo

Me too, it's like my coffee now

@@yair1010 I have seen the movie atleast 10-12 times. This scene for more than 20+ times. I have learned the subtleties of dominance and power play in an corporate environment. How jeremy irons use eye contact as an acknowledgement, empathy and use hard stare as a form of dominance. How kevin spacey's character subtly assures his employee to be confident. How to acquire information in decision making by downplaying one's ability while maintaining reputation. How to establish hierarchical dominance and send the signals of fairness even though Iron's character is an amoral one. How to simplify a complex topic and present it well to layman through analogies and facts. Look at the eye contact, hear the voice and feel the tension. This scene is masterpiece.

and the exasperated look he gives to Sarah at 9:24 - assuming he was looking at Jared ('we are trying to locate him'), his eyes then shift one person further (to Demi) upon hearing the news that Eric was no longer with the firm

Because he knows that Mr Sullivan has more brains then anyone at the table. The man is literally a rocket scientist, no one can top that and it's just sheer luck that they happend to stumble across it. They are big but it's obvious they aren't the biggest fish in the pond. There are bigger fish out there with even bigger brains on their payroll, they just happend to find out first.

​@@Vollification Aa

I noticed that to a degree when he holds his finger up at 6:51. Certainly seems less of a “oh that’s an idea” as much as “now you’re getting it.”

Right. But if Tuld knows so much, he should have been on top of this issue weeks ago....

He was, he was letting music play as long as someone else notice what's wrong, it is covered in two others seen, one in elevator where the guy and the lady discuss whose going to be the scape goat and the lady says she had informed about this to him, another scene where kevin and John are in a room and Kevin says 'obviously you are operating with more information than i have' , this is a gem of a movie everytime you watch it you discover something new about the scene which was

He's an efficient businessman. Ethically, selling stuff you know has no value in order to save the company while screwing over the buyers, is more than a little murky.

@@HastyElderHaman It has value. Not all the mortgages in a given bunch will go bad. In fact, most will pay off. But enough will likely fail that the price they are selling at is a BIG risk. That is assuming that the staff are actually right in their guesses about the future. Remember, at this time NO ONE knew that the market would go belly up. Most indicators were that everything was hunky dory.

Whereupon Jeremy Irons delivers the most eloquent "Fuck this shit I'm out" in the history of the planet.

Exactly. Lot of power dynamics going on in this scene. Notice how at 3:46 he puts Cole, whom Sullivan kept glancing at , in place with a single look.

I think the biggest line is "what do you have for us?" .. it would make me squirm a bit lol

It also shows that he has more faith in Sullivan then he has in the other two.

@@empnadajhhh9469 Actually perfect analysis, you're the garbage Empnada.

@@empnadajhhh9469 Be careful.

And ignorant

whatttaa star!!! love the comment

Wow, accurate description. Have you worked with one of them close before?

@@gforcedod Yes i work in finance and do presentations for the high management. As long as you do your job they wont eat you for breakfast and are generally cool.

Carmelo

I have…and thank you for that. Lol

The writer(s) chose to make it real by using jargon.

When you hear "fair market price" it usually means someone is about to get bent over a barrel

You the man my friend you the man.. accepting what you don’t know and yet appreciating the situation…😮

Market Capitalization is just the current price of a share of the company's stock x the total number of share outstanding, which is usually millions / billions of shares. Example: Microsft has a Market Capitalization today of a little over $3 Trillion ($407 / share * 7.434 Billion shares)

I think there's more to it. If you watch the first meeting Bakers' character is already thinking about selling it all (asking how long it would take under normal conditions to sell it, how many traders there are).

fred fredburger yes but it shows how amazing he is in this movie... but the casting in this movie is superb. Everyone is great and on the top of their game.. I watched this scene many times and each times I discover a new thing, a look, an intonation, a pose and it adds more to this amazing scene.

He’s good at playing an uncaring bastard

@@animaljustice7774 true, the way he acted in the bathroom scene with that crying employee. Ruthless douchebag. Great acting there.

in corporate talk, its called managing upwards - he does so with extreme finesse, allowing his boss to arrive at the same conclusion as he did hours ago, and the moment he senses the time is right... BAM! he's the first one to speak up. and we all know the significance of being "the first" in this film :)

This is it! I'm telling you, THIS IS IT!

I didn't realize but in the first meeting about the problem Keven Spacey's character makes the same argument to the Mentalist, and the Mentalist says "I understand." Kevin Spacey asks "Do you?" and the Mentalist just says "I do."

wow, ty for the invaluable information, it was very hard to tell

For #4, just a quick thing: it's the nose grab/sniff and finger tapping on the table for me. How would you even direct that? It just gives a little oomph in this character. I'm not even sure what it conveys beyond his comfort in this meeting, but at the same time he's infinitely more human and real because of it. I love it

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Wisdom is acknowledging the smartest person in the room, and relying on their expertise. John explained that himself, when asking Sullivan to dumb it down for him.

He is terrific here, in the midst of a great cast.

LMFAO! Genius!

sorry but why should we be swimming in bad financial ideas tomorrow? can you please explain? i don't know this movie but i watched the big short and the only bad idea i see is to do what all those bankers did when they got greedy and gave mortgages to virtually everybody

Looks like someone is taking himself too seriously. *cough*@@silasmaurer7835 *cough*

I would add 99 Homes to that list

@@silasmaurer7835 Very few banks were involved in giving out those sub-prime mortgages. It was mostly predatory lenders like Steve Mnuchin's now bankrupt mortgage company. And they all walked away with huge amounts of money.

Vernacular is common phrasing and speech. You must have meant "jargon" which refers to technical, industry-specific language.

​@@jaymkz3225"Vernacular? That's a Derby!"

@@bartsanders1553 😂😂😂

Vantage Point I've known British bankers like him at the time this is taking place. He's portraying your typical Public School (meaning private and expensive) educated Brit, who is very sophisticated on the outside and totally ruthless on the inside. He got into this business but he could have got in any business. He doesn't give a shit about the consequences, but who cares, tomorrow will be another day.

what is going on in this scene

This Is Where is Eric Dale?

@@binitials I see exposition of the problem - John Tuld is the audience, Jared Cohen is the failed intial attempt at explanation whilst Peter sullivan offers the actual diagnosis. Sam Rogers has the simple solution with Ramesh Shah supporting it mildly and then Sarah Robertson offers hope of the maverick Eric Dale who will come back and win the company.

This Is it's a bit like this. But Eric will only be seating in a nice comfy chair for 12 hours waiting for all shares to be off the books. Then, he'll piss off to Florida to enjoy the sunny weather before Lehman Brothers goes down.

Irons performance in the scene dominates. He really is a something else,

@@Sanguillen39ify Die Hard With A Vengeance, Watchmen... He has a way of embodying a steely, disarming sociopathy that no other actor can capture.

So are their hearts! (If they have one to begin with...)

Just like Irons' character says at the end of the film these things are cyclical. It'll never not be relevant unfortunately

thats a good catch, for all the people who wondered why jared and tuld is above sam in hierarchy at the firm

This is a point I've been thinking a lot about recently, in light of current political discourse. The reason autocratic systems inevidably fail is because nobody is ever willing to give the boss bad news, for fear their displeasure will come down on them. This only allows problems to grow and compound, untill the whole thing collapses.

I took it as a double meaning: "You're speaking to me" = You don't have to filter it through these intermediary bosses. "You're speaking to me" = Speak it plainly because I'm not a math nerd.

Joye D - This is not the kind of movie that appeals to most of the general movie-going public, don't you know. I literally had never heard of it until another KZfaqr I listen to recommended it. I found it very interesting because I know next to nothing about the world of finance. I remember telling a an old boyfriend of mine back in the late '80's that most movie-goers like action-packed movies with lots of dazzling explosions, pyrotechnics, and half-clothed women. Movies like Margin Call appeal only to more cerebral individuals who like to think while being entertained.

Underrated? Watch by almost nobody? Sure. It's just not the kind of movie that is going to draw lots of people or make a lot of money, in a sense the movie is boring, it takes place essentially over the course of one day and it's all just a lot of talking, not really what many people want in a movie. However if you want to get a small idea of what the hell happened it's an amazing movie.

rjh00 Back to the original point, your argument does not clarify the issue, what you just described as boring, is anything but that to me. Movies like this are the reason I watch movies. This, big short and miss sloane id say is the best in this genre.

The mortgage backed securities was just the match that lit the crisis ---- this was not the problem, the problem was when the repo markets seized. Repo markets are what run the world and this is what was what the bankers were really afraid of --- nobody was willing to give anyone over night credit and this would have shut down ALL OF WORLD COMMERCE. Reason why no banks were willing to extend credit is because these derivatives are all opaque and no bank knew the exposure any other bank had to this toxic mortgage backed securities thus they would not lend to each other. This is why FED and other central bankers has to flood markets with liquidity. Guess what?? These markets have never functioned properly since and when the next crash comes -- it will stop commerce. Bankers are nothing but dressed up smart criminals --- they have brought havoc and pain and suffering on the world for centuries (they are behind every war and almost every crisis) ---- IT IS TIME THIS STOPS. Block Chain tech will reduce back to what they should be a well regulated utility. BANKERS ARE SCUM BAGS --- no if, buts or whats --- SCUM BAGS.

I remember when I saw the news that the People who owned my mortgage, Lehman Brothers went under. The next months were a roller coaster ride. This movie and specially The Big Short remind me of alot of things i went through back then.

True evil

*livelihood

Yeah just get that 90+ sale percentage. No biggie. It's the oldest trick in the book. If they get those over 90 percent sales done, he makes hundreds of millions. They get a few millions spread across them. If they don't get the 90+ percentage, he still gets paid like crazy, and the sellers are fucked.

This is why some things cannot be replicated...like a good story....no amount of action can beat that.

I feel like they had a script of course but these actors had to have been let of the leash

For only those in the finance industry or understands how it works though.

@@elvisenyiaka5890 yep they defo had them shadowing someone for months learning the lingo, "fill or kill" line i had to laugh, like in wolf of Wall Street "first person to speak loses" can tell they done some work or the whole Glen Gary Ross rant at the manager

@@sew_gal7340 but my favorite saying "buyers are liars" Oh I forgot bout the morning meeting in "cars" (not that cartoon) because everyone was laughing cos its funny on its own but I was laughing because its exactly how it happens 🤣

this whole movie is incredibly cast.

@@ncommerce yeah..... Absolutely.... Agreed...... Well said....

See, I gave you a thumbs up but respectfully disagree, in that, while Irons performance is, as always, stellar, so is everyone else's, in this movie. Spock is stellar, Spacey is great, Tucci, Pettany, Moore, all top notch.

MARINE!!!!

Well, with our crayon-eating brethren the concepts of brains and skill develop much later a few ranks up....

When I was an E4 I sat in on a meeting after an FTX where all the senior NCO's and officers were giving glowing reports of how well the training went. The general asked my assessment and I made it perfectly clear that his ammo section spent 2 weeks digging holes and filling sandbags and never once worked around ammo or did any real ammo related training. I further clarified that if the unit was activated he better not expect anyone in the ammo section to be proficient in our job because our only chance at real training had been wasted for the entire FTX. 2 things happened after that. Heads rolled and training improved for the ammo section.

May I introduce to you Glengarry Glenn Ross And also In The Loop

idk, man. Independence Day was a banger! 🎉

Then Oppenheimer manages to combine both (mostly dialog but still 😅

@@royaltyblessed2454 I missed the chance to see it in IMAX. Did you see it?

brit1958ian that's actually my favorite line of any movie.

100%

brit1958ian All I heard was Scar.

Kumquat Perk lmao 😂

"And please, speak as you might to a young cub, or a hyena. It wasn't brains that got me king, I assure you of that."

That's the "Don't you try and intimidate Mr. Sullivan out of giving me the full SITREP look. You're busted, this is happening."

@@DAClarkism Might be the best moment in the scene.

And just before that Cohen was giving him a nod of encouragement. You're right though, Tuld was telling everyone "this is now out of your hands."

He was not having them trying to intimidate Mr. Sullivan. He wanted them both to know who the real boss is.

@@DAClarkism When he looked at them ..they were not looking at him you peasant 😂 stfu

That wasn’t the main thing that caused the housing market crash of 2008!!!! Just like in the movie The Big Short, “Well blame it on the poor and the immigrants.” All that was, like the repetitive lies about WMD’s, people kept repeating that lie how the 2008 crash was caused by the poor and immigrants, many that studied NOOOOO economics, read economic reports, or researched a thing, just parroted many other’s!!!! What they FAILED to show is all the crap the Banksters were doing King before no credit checks on mortgages were even starting!!!! As to what is written above, who knows this better than anyone on this thread? Does the name, Gary Bernard Gorton, ring any bells 🔔🔔? Research, NOT only Gorton’s educational background, but his lectures and where he teaches!!!! He’s also the one the White House called for answers!!!!

Be first Be smart Cheat

They don't care if they can pass the hot potato in time.

Hard not to when the government tells you to do it or face charges of violating the civil rights act.

It was fraud. Just like student loans.

'This is it, this is it' !!!! I believe all words quoted including yours is being uttered in The Houses of Parliament over this bloody Brexit - Sara - London, England :(

the levels and connections here are incredible...bravo on a phenomenal reference chain

Hugely underrated comment, my friend.

This comment is so good

That voice

He killed this scene..right up there with the scene where Bud Fox meets Gordon Gekko for the first time in Wall St.

He killed...Mufasa! It left a scar on us all.

It was more like, now I know who to blame. He just had to figure out which one. Once he heard Peter's boss was let go and no one can find him, he knew Demi's the one to axe.

Awesome little add on to the scene, the glance back

When the Boss's Boss steps in and you see who actually has power.

"Why I Hire them?"

@@RK-um9tu women responsible . not happening in woke times today

i had a manager once that not only acted like Jared, but look a lot like him too; i learned alot from him about sitting back and just letting things play out sometimes

Great point.

A better movie about the financial crisis of 2008 is Too Big To Fail.

Lol same

Kathleen Mitchell This one looks pretty good

Aeimos The Big Short is a better movie

Barry Obama I can watch all three

capitalism is a joke

oh comon Barry. You probably worked in the mail room.

@@ronyeahright9536 🤣🤣🤣

Right down to the handshake and direct acknowledgement of 'John'.

@@ronyeahright9536 stop hating on uncle Barry lol

Such a great actor

Such a superb actor....he's been amazing since day 1

Which is saying something, considering the collective charisma in that room.

He has that aura every time I have sen him on the screen. His voice is also unique and powerful.

@@adeshas83 I'm not sure if his early work on Play Away was quite up to the standard of his other pieces. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m81-drap2q6sYKs.html

reminds me of a job interview anxiety

Well..that means you haven't heard many intimidating sounds....

@@stefanciocan1605 well.... all are not born king, that too elder.

@@accessadi granted..this scene is awesome. I don't know what the fuck you are saying though...I hope you are a nice guy.

Super Paris lol 😂😈

Except Spacey. This scene only works with Spacey as the counterpart.

@@bobbwc7011 true, in some aspects, but nonetheless, amzing acting from everyone involved.

Kevin Spacy did a great job in this movie too.

One of the best moments is when Irons asks "Sullivan" for his opinion. Sullivan looks over to the two honchos (Demi and the other guy), Irons sees that Sullivan is intimidated by them, and says directly to Sullivan, "You're speaking to me." He then keeps focused on Sullivan but after a few seconds casts a sideways glance at Demi and the guy as if to say "knock it off." I don't know if that level of detail was in the script, but if not, it shows how deep Irons was into this.

That’s because Jeremy Irons isn’t in Hollywood.

@@richardiredale4375 Thats my favorite bit too, it shows how theres no time/room for bullshit. The CEO wants to find and make the best decision ASAP or heads will roll

It's a masterclass in controlling the pacing of a scene (with a noble assist from a good director and editor). I watch it over and over like listening to a good song.

Lol fool

It’s not that deep wow

its Carmelo not Caramello, you numbskull

@@JohnLutherable Fitting username, as you are very crass.

Punny, very punny.

“And Carmello when you find Eric Dale tell him something’s come, he can’t go to Vegas and everybody will have to leave without us. Also tell him to go back to the house and wait for my call.”

Big short better

Huevo Duro702 they’re different films.

while related, big short is about the housing bubble and malpractice of financial institutions at large. Its covered timeline is longer and the movie focused on several characters / firms and their pov through the burst. It examines the real estate crisis on a over all scale, and really the focus is on the pitfalls of the whole banking system as a whole. While this movie (margin call) gives you an up close and personal look, putting you in the seat of the other-side like a roller-coaster, really lets viewer experience the critical point / decisions that initiated the 2007/8 financial crisis as if you are in the room, watching the them lighting the fuse. Anyone is of course entitled to say which they like better, but they are very different movies like Boris pointed out.

yes, have watched the Big Short about 6times, and this 3 or 4, both execellent

@@FreshArtsy the whole plot of this film margin calls falls kind of flat, but this is the main point of the film, the people in the fine suits in the banks are basically just worker ants with better clothing ....

With the exception of several rants having nothing to do with the movie. They remind me of an observation by writer Raymond Chandler: "Like a little boy with a fence, a piece of chalk, and no one watching.".

"The Big Short" is better IMO.

@@eTengu They're both great but from opposing angles

wait for the upcoming second movie

@@indianastones9884 directed by Vladimir putin

@@eTengu They're so different. Apples to Oranges. Big Short is for more of the general population to understand the crisis. Margin Call is more of a dark drama that just dives right in and expects the audience to know a bit about finance or the crisis of 08.

yea, its clear he already knows the situation, and is prepared for this day. having sullivan simplify for a child or a dog is to ease everyone else who's tired and pissed into what he's about to order and why his actions and reasoning are justified

This definitely makes sense. I think irons is impressed with Mr. Sullivan as he caught the issue (finally), but come on.....Irons knows its been a house of cards for the last few years, computer models or not. He alludes to this in his steak scene with Kevin Spacey too....its basically a market correction that comes every 15 to 20 years. It was really a matter of time by insuring crap mortgages, world economy crash, Ukraine & hyper inflation, 911, student loan defaults, Covid.....any of these can trigger a larger market correction.

When the exec secretary greets Cohen & Sam in the scene before this, she tells Cohen "He's waiting for you" - so yeah, Cohen briefed Tuld then as a follow up to his initial phone call during the 2:15am meeting.

"I don't hear the music, just silence." *_Tuld, CEO of the Company, 2008_* "There's a hurricane coming!" *_Jamie Dimon, CEO of JPMorgan Chase, 2022_*

@Некто в Сером Makes a lot of sense. The CEO even hints at it when he says "what is it you THINK you have STUMBLED on". So hes basically implying he knew what was going on all along.

Every time I hear his voice, I visualize an actual lion

@@MindlessZombie2006 he is lol call back to lion king

Well the whole Michael Douglas "greed is good" speech is just as riveting.

Good catch! Exactly! I didn't notice that. The Wolf in Golden Retriever Clothing. In Truth, this is exactly how a ruthless, adept and keenly socially intelligent CEO should act. Notice how he treats all his employees differently because he knows exactly how to act to get the best out of each one and their individual personalities. He is fair and tries to act as unintimidating as possible for his rank and file analyst to get the clear information and frank conversation he wants, he rewards him not only with his subtle approval but also promotes him later to an exec position for basically saving the company. 6:08 I also love how the subtly contrasted Peter Sullivan with Seth's attire. Everyone in the room is in suit and tie like an adult, but Seth is tieless like a disheveled adolescent frat boy and has dazed and confused body language.

They'll never hear it. + The dell is darker.

Probably gave these employees the same pitch as scar did with the hyenas "stick with me and you will never go hungry again"