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Her mid belts were always extraordinary

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Caution era definitely was iconic and was getting me through life during that time. I listen to that album every day before after and during work lbs

@@raschiddeeon4510 same, i went through alot of stuff in 2019 (the stuff happened later next year didn't help lol) and i just listened to the Caution album on repeat.

It's so sad that her most spirited and optimistic eras post-prime almost always coincide with some of her worst vocal conditions, like Rainbow, Caution, even 2022...

@@VMariah wow I never thought about it like that

@@VMariah Emancipation too sadly.

@@PatchesNjosenow ntm

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Fully agreed. Best way forward for her would be to lower all her songs, strip them down and change the arrangements, and experiment with what she has now. It would be creative and fun for her. But it would also be a very public acknowledgement that she can't do what she once did, which seems to be very difficult for her, even though she can do all kinds of amazing things NOW. Aretha and Whitney adjusted their songs to their changed voices and nothing got lost in the process.

Also the edge sound on the voice is very notable

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@@CalebTizon Aretha and Whitney's voices were in much better shape. Whitney's vocals on her last tour eat up Mariah from 2019 onwards. We know that it would be cool to hear Mariah adapt but she's not that kind of a person. If she were, she would have done it long time ago. Remember that she's claimed to warming up by humming to the radio. She needs vocal coaching big time and she's actually been in a need of one for a decade. That would have stopped her technical flaws and helped her to regain some of her range. Lara Fabian and Celine know something about it.

​@@SPexHoS2137Whitney couldnt sing in her last tours 😅 That IWALY was atrocious

I agree, it would be hard cause a lot of her audience rn in places like Vegas don't really know or care if she's lipping, and they're mostly just there to see her and hear the music. But I think as long as she keeps creating and promoting new music, new eras there's a possibility of that happening one day

@@VMariah Yeah her preference for lipping is interesting considering so many artists use live autotune. But then again when belting range is the issue, autotune won’t really help. I still feel like she needs to take a step back and think about the journey of her voice- the abuse it’s been through and why it’s changed. I literally feel like she avoids vocal training because of 2 reasons: the first being her trauma with Tommy, and the second being that it reminds her about how much worse her voice has gotten and all the baggage that comes with people doubting her live singing skills. Figuring out why she doesn’t like to lower keys is difficult, but perhaps lowering keys reminds her of declining voice (and maybe Whitney idk).

@@VMariah wow I am really just ranting today. I just wanted to add that like her raising the key to vol felt like “I still can do that” (in the studio) almost as a way to prove to herself why her voice hasn’t declined that much or changed that much

​@@outsideskippy1997 yeah and I think she didn't feel satisfied with the idea of fully lipping VOL in -2 key, so she wanted to arrange it to be so difficult and impossible that it somehow better justifies her lipping, if that makes sense

@@VMariah that’s interesting considering a lot of the other songs are easier😭. Cause like I guess for hero she’s too used to the -1 key and it’s been that way forever, so it doesn’t make sense to raise it. I guess she likes forcing herself to lip 💀

fortunately the recent studio vocals (rainbow, portrait remix, made for me) have a lot more natural vocals which gives me hope for mc16

​@@andreibenedictmendiola1553Agreed, she is sounding beautiful in-studio as of recently. Her tone in Made for Me is delicious.

But her vocals in the 2020 special are... great? At least compared to caution. They were thin but not caution thin

@@issamoodissavibe Yes, her vocals on there were very impressive! But it still wasn't on par with her voice at its best, so I could see how she could have felt disappointed with the level of improvement after nearly a year of vocal rest. Personally though, I was super impressed and grateful that she redid all those songs, and largely stayed in her comfortable range. I hadn't been that excited since....maybe some of her 2016 SSFT vocals?

yeah and I like the simpler arrangement of the songs she chose, not like Idol 2013 where it was basically all the climaxes mashed up together

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ok I will😭 there will definitely be enough to talk about for 2 videos

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Right, watching Infinity tour, her attempting prime vocals left and right, and then bam she can't belt higher than B4

I remember thinking 2018 was better than 2017 at the time, maybe because the tone was better and she had more energy. But the belting definitely suffered. Her belting in VOL 2017 was on FIRE every night, but then she struggled to hold and resonate those Bb4s from 2018 on. I know she allegedly had a gastric bypass surgery during that time, so maybe that affected things. But the biggest drop was 2020 to 2022 to me. The clips of her singing at home were amazing, she was saying her voice was in great shape...then she hit the stage in 2022 and had about half of what she had in 2019. It's so strange, and makes me wonder if all the time off made things worse somehow. Like she completely forgot her technique after not being on stage for almost 3 years. Idk, I'll never stop being fascinated by her temperamental voice and her odd ways of handling the situation.

I imagine it could have been due to the supposed bariatric surgery, because it affects the diaphragm muscles, making them weaker. But 2020 onwards, in addition to not doing vocal exercises and warm ups, she wasn't performing, so her voice wasn't being trained in any way.

I definitely think Menopause partially contributed.

Menopause maybe, it can affect your hormones.

Yes! For such a prominent award show it might actually be the most live since Grammys 2006

@@VMariah Fly like a bird Idol Got Back 2008, how live was it?

@@Supcharged I think that had the same formula as the 2006 tour performances, so basically Grammys 2006 minus the first chorus

Yeah I totally forgot about that at some point while making the video ngl😅 I was mainly checking to see if there were any unknown 2019 performances but I forgot 2020

Was expecting a review of that show as well, that was like one of her longest televised performances ever and for the most part there were a lot of live attempts

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omg thank you so much! I'm glad you like it. also please tell me you're coming back live in Vegas this month, we're hungry for D5s😭

This would make so much sense but for so long it has been bad day, after bad day, after bad day, after bad day...

@@issamoodissavibe Let's not forget that Mariah has nodules and it's literally holding her back. Even if she wanted to, nodules restricts her.

@@danmarco3989 her not getting coached is what restricts her. She's had nodules her entire career, for example in 2000 as well as in 2003. Her approach during Charmbracelet was definitelly guided by someone cause she wasn't brightening her voice and you can her her singing with lowered larynx on many occasions. So yeah, the comment above yours is 100% valid. If it's everyday it's not an axception but a routine, a neccessary one.

@@SPexHoS2137 yeah I've gone back and forth about whether she had a vocal coach for Charmbracelet. I feel like if she did have a coach it would've been a faster more drastic shift- and things like vibrato and stuff would be more present. Her technical intuition was pretty good for belting until like 2006- for charm she was running on muscle memory. I feel like unfortunately Charm tour is one of the main reasons that Mariah believes she can take care of her voice by herself- by resting, sleeping, but only minimal warm ups.

she probably feels some sense of safety from it? idk its like relying on her live voice for a whole song just feels too scary, so lipping helps quell those fears, even if it is illogical.

I feel Mariah knows what to do cause she seems to be able to get her voice together whenever she really really needs two (cbwt, Beacon, 2023) but she just doesn't follow that strictly most of the time.

@@VMariahsuch an interesting point but I wonder what this routine or regime is? Do you think she cuts out all bad lifestyle things or do you think she warms up her voice before every show? Omg I want to know the real story so bad

@@michaelcolman5285 I think cutting off lifestyle things especially drinking and sleeping well are definitely part of it. But only Mariah knows the rest I'm afraid😩

@@VMariah I just wish she would put her pride aside and pay too dollar to get vocal rehab & coaching. I feel like she could get back so much confidence & dexterity If she worked with a coach. I wonder if it’s denial or if she doesn’t care. Must be disappointing to not be able to sing like you used too, not talking about 90s Mimi, but even 2012-14 era I mean like that’s not unrealistic to get back to that level of ability? I dunno

@@VMariah I don't think she knows what she's doing cause most of 2023 she held the mic at two arms lenght. Mariah getting her ish together will evince itself once she sings a song live again. Check Lara Fabian and how she discusses the voice in general. That woman knows what she's talking about.

those are not head voice at all...

That's something some late night shows and other télévised/DVD recordings do. Have a couple takes to decide the best take to use as the base. Then, if they think a line from a different take is better, they dub it over their base take.

Joy to The World and Hero vocals from December have the same robotic quality that her new rerecordings. They were carefully crafted and don't even get me started on WBT Valentine's mix cause that is some next level MIAM shit.

how can something be live when it is done multiple times and pieced together, your standards are super low.

@@SPexHoS2137 NTM, valentines mix wasn't as robotic as MIAM. MIAM is in a league all on her own 🤣😭

@@onedollarbleach6891 you can actually sing MIAM songs. Valentine mix is literally a mix of chopped words put together for the sake of variety of textures. It's a tired sister of Heavenly though

late 2019-early 2020 tone was just incredible sometimes

Well no 🌝

@@DaydreamCarey1234 she's got a point, she's an icon, and she is the moment

it's alll dubbed

Ulradeja is such an icon

@@braylonking574literally-

oh?! It could be a track from the earlier 2010s? Like I could totally see Infinityriah doing that growl

That someone being me😍

you're right I should have mentioned that one. I think it's mostly the same deal as VOL, though I'm really on the fence as to whether that whistle is live

​@@VMariahI'm almost certain it wasn't - it sounded so computerized, the way it just cut off so abruptly / unnaturally. She also hasn't sung that high live in a LONG time - she usually sticks to the E6-G#6 area nowadays.

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I've never heard this explanation before but it makes a lot of sense! I remember thinking some note changes in that era were also strangely reminiscent of Daydream. Maybe she was trying to move back toward that style

I don’t really follow news and stuff, but when she did get public backlash for her dark heavy tone? I feel like 2017 was about the body and being a diva, etc. Now on the other hand I could imagine that Mariah internalized some insecurities about her changing voice and aging and that led her to sing differently. But with how much her tone has changed over the years I honestly think she doesn’t really do a lot of intentional things with her voice. She discovered she liked a higher placement around 1994- probably in the studio and then kept going cause it felt good to her. Butterfly was unable to replicate it, so she just rolled with darker tones. But then again 2017-2018 does feel so drastic that it had to be something intentional? Like with unintentional changes it happens gradually idk. Sorry for this long rant

​@@outsideskippy1997I'm not sure how public the backlash was, but most lambs were commenting that they were NOT digging her tone during that time. It was similar to 2015 - heavy, dark, and oddly unpleasant for some reason. I love darker rounder voices, but it was weird for Mariah to not sound "pretty" like she always has. The higher placement was surely intentional, just like how it was in 95/95 - that's also how she sings in the studio, never really using her natural tone, which indicates that's generally how she prefers to sound. So I'm not sure why she WASN'T doing that in 2015/2017 - maybe she was just trying something different and decided it didn't fit her idea of herself as a singer. Sorry for my rant as well. 😅

@@outsideskippy1997Mariah always liked a higher placement in the voice. Have you heard weakness of the body from her demo? Tommy made her sing lower, and Tommy forced her to see a vocal coach during their marriage, when she was trapped in the mansion better known as “sing sing”. I think Tommy realized if Mariah recorded her songs in higher placements of her voice it would eventually backfire which is why a lot of her earlier songs have a darker heavier tone, and Mariah didn’t like singing like that, she even said she prefers singing her songs in a higher key because they sound better even if she can’t replicate it on stage. Mariah smoked during the years leading up to her debut, so 90 91 and 92 her voice was recovering from smoking, and with cigarettes being so hard to quite, I’m sure she would sneak one here and there, but it wasn’t until she was living with Tommy with constant supervision that she quit smoking entirely in my opinion. That combined with a vocal coach is the clear polished sound we hear from 1993 to 1996. Mariah also says the state of her voice depends on how much sleep she gets and I remember seeing an interview from 1995 where she said she tries to get 12 hours of sleep the day before a performance. After her divorce, I wouldn’t doubt it if she started smoking again rarely, I kno she started partying and drinking more and was around people that were smoking. But she definitely always preferred singing outside of her natural range which is why her voice was so inconsistent, aside from the nodules. I’ll also point out that throughout the years, the more singing she did, the raspier her speaking voice was, her voice hasn’t been raspy for almost a decade, I don’t know if this is a good thing or a bad thing

@@devenstout I agree that she likes singing in a higher placement in general- like TEOM is much more nasal and high than most people think. But I'm not sure that Tommy intentionally wanted to have a darker sound- I think it was more about training her voice to be good with adult contemporary ballads. I also a agree that she had a vocal coach, but I believe she stopped by 1994. I never thhought about smoking- I mostly considered drinking to be her problem, but smoking is also interesting to consider.

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I agree! early 2020 vegas was great too. It really seemed like she had regained a good grasp of her changed voice at the time

Omg the second verse of Fantasy sounds crazy now. The "images of rapture" part is comically bizarre.

@@CalebTizonshe doesn’t perform that part today

​@@coltonisalamb She did in that Abu Dhabi private performance

@@coltonisalambthere was one performance when she performed it I think 2023 or early 2024. A private event It was the most overproduced track, I think that’s what they’re talking about.

@@justicestewart8823 yeah, she’s not using that anymore, that’s what I meant

I'm aiming to finish part 9 next week and part 10 before the Vegas residency starts!

omg you're actually getting to the end I can't believe it😭❤ but I have to warn you a VOL Eb5 is coming your way💀

@@VMariah NO💀

Yes Im curious about this and the oh Santa performance on the tonight show. My guess is lipped/dubbed w sum live parts

Well u kinda included it in the end 😭 just finished watching it

I didn't even realize that was supposed to be a live performance based on how the video looks😭 but I was looking at the wikipedia list of live performances later on when I realized it actually aired on tv and received the same promo treatment as the other ones

@@VMariah yes, I remember even being a bit disappointed by TTR/MIH 😭 cuz the past two performances of Hero and ABMB really did sound rawer. I wish she kept the same style

@@coltonisalamb for me it was VOL😭 the vocals are great but I wish she did it more unplugged like the original 1990 GMA

@@VMariahi mean at lesst she didn’t cheat with lowered 90 vocals 😹 until 2023

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Thank you! I wish I did have inside info lol. At the end of the day for some of the really tricky ones it's just a lot like a lot of microanalyzing, comparing, plus a little bit of guessing

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wait you're right😭 I was originally thinking of the era (like CWT performances and Christmas 2019) but at some point I forgot 2020 existed and changed it💀

@@VMariahLMAOOOO it’s okay, I’ll just take it as if you meant just in the era

I was about to comment the same!!! She slayed the Emotions intro in 2020 ✨

Thank you for saying this and I 100% agree. Especially for those quarantine performances there's really no way of knowing what exactly is going on, it's just my inferences at the end of the day. And yeah I remember the 100% lipped mimi speech really took me by surprise too

@@VMariah Question, and this isn't criticism or anything but genuine curiosity...why did you include the acapella moments of her singing the mimi songs at home? do you think those were lipped?

​@@Mariahs5thOctave oh no definitely not, I am almost sure they are a live recording! I just included it because there's not really any other footage to use when talking about 2020-2021 lol

The celebration of mimi speeches are lipped? Please say no omg... My heart is broken

Not the lipped speeches chiiilllee 😭😭😭😭 I haven't been keeping up w Celebration of Mimi so this is news to me 💀

I talked about Jamaica in the previous video since it falls under that era! But I could consider doing a more detailed video on that in the future

yeah I think so. She seemed to be singing behind the track if you look at the audience footage, but it didn't show up in the actual televised one

Yeah that’s a tricky one. Christmas time Im pretty sure is just the usual arrangement (almost fully live except a couple of bridge notes). I feel like the Oh Santa Eb5s are lipped though? It seems like she did harmonize under the whistles though

oh yes you're right! why did I keep forgetting things when making this video💀

@@VMariahyeah that was in 2018 though BBMA was 2019

@@jeremyechols6828the belt in that iheart radio performance is so good! I mean better than the other one we are talking about. I feel like the iheart one has so much power behind it! Soo good!

oh I thought I heard a transition to playback at "time to" but maybe that was just something in the background

another example of her taking an outtake or recording something just to lip to it once.

@@VMariah actually now that you say it I do hear 2 voices at once right as she's getting into it so im not sure now.

What is there to talk about with 2021💀 tho I’m probably going to do 2022-2023 for part 9 then 2024 so the finale falls on part 10

@@VMariah I mean why not do 2022-2024? 😍😍 It would make sense tho if 2024 would be in another whole video cuz you know… 🌝

@@DaydreamCarey1234 cause 2024 is in its own league😍 but the real reason is I want to use the last video to review all 34 years in general, so it’s really going to be 2024 + 1990-2024

@@VMariah OHH well periodt 😍

yeah that was a mistake sorry, I totally forgot about the 2020 ones

Yeah not every song, but MIH deserves to be one of them imo

​@@VMariahSinging MIH in the same key since 1992 is insane, cuz that is a HARD song. She even lowered it during the Music Box Tour and it sounded amazing.

I agree that it could still be draining if they're all lowered but in the same arrangement. However, I really think she could change all the arrangements in such a way where it wouldn't be too taxing. Cut some of the bridges, slow some stuff down, don't belt higher than C5, etc.

@@CalebTizon in that case, she could keep the current keys. Like Always Be My Baby in Global Citizen. It was 100% live.

@@BLINGRIAH Yes I would agree with that! That song is still pretty easy for her minus the bridge/key change stuff. So she could stick with that arrangement, or lower it so she can attempt some of the climax.

yeah a troll account in the lambily who always posts comments saying Mariah's vocals are lipped/dubbed. But it's become iconic🥰

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@@VMariah Remember meegikang?

@@Supcharged She gotta Alt 🤣

@@Supcharged wait who was meegikang?

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