I would like to point out the fact that in one episode where Worf was describing Klingon mating rituals to Wesley Crusher, Worf said that the female yells and growls a lot while the male reads love poetry.

She was going to say: "...Beauty with a beast..." but caught herself at the last second and said: "...Beauty with a Klingon..." LOL

Off topic...I always thought Comander Chakotay and Captain Janeway were a better fit than Seven and Chakotay

It's so good to see that the actors from back then actually cared to learn their characters' backgrounds and what was going on in other shows, thinking about how it impacted them etc. Personally, the Worf/Troi relationship hit me completely out of the blue. They lacked chemistry and build-up.

Worf was trying to be human for Troi while Dax was trying to be Klingon for Worf. I wasn't thrilled with either pairing, but I see the rationale in both.

Worf isn't your typical Klingon - he's more complex. Also notice how Worf really wasn't enjoying the wedding - he seemed to find it pretty depressing.

Sir, I protest, I am not a merry man!

0:04 On Betazed we have a saying- "don't be a pussy."

The Troi / Worf relationship made absolutely no sense. Considering Worf’s friendship with Riker dating his ex would seem dishonorable.

Well, in my opinion the Word on TNG, characteristic were changed when he arrived on Deepspace 9. The Klingon conflict, and lack of a ship seeing the D was destroyed. It's mentioned in his first appearance as a line.

Always remember Worf's line to Guinan from Yesterday's Enterprise _"I would require a _*_Klingon woman_*_ for.... companionship, earth females are too fragile"_ then I saw Troi and Worf together, I thought to myself _"Man, she's in trouble!"_

She belonged with Imzadi, not Worf! By the way, read the book Imzadi and you get a great backstory on the whole Troi/Riker origin.

Marina Sirtis and Jonathan Frakes had the best chemistry on TNG, and they should have milked that for all it was worth instead of looking a gift horse in the mouth and try to hook them up with other characters.

That's an interesting take. I personally never liked Troi with Riker, but I did like her with Worf. The thing was, Worf was a klingnon but that wasn't all there was to him, and it was nice to see another side to him and see his character develop. Troi brought a warmth and adorableness to the relationship that was healthy for Worf, and he brought a compassion and sweetness that was great for her. It was an example of great writing and a well rounded relationship.

0:11...BEST part of the video! Love the dirty talk! LMFAO!

Maybe it had something to do with klingons having 2 tools?

Agree 100%! Worf + Jadzia just made sense. It felt natural and flowful for the characters. What amazing on-screen chemistry they had!

I've heard that if Dr. Pulaski had stayed on she and Worf might have become an item.

Worf lived amongst humans for almost his whole life, he's going to adopt some human thoughts, emotions, perspectives, tastes, attitudes, etc. just like if you or I went and lived in a foreign country for 30 years. It adds a layer of complexity to the character that I always liked.

Ah yes, the famous relationship compatability of Trills and Klingons! :D

Even though it didn't work, I think this was the relationship that kind of helped Worf be more open to other species of women as mates. Plus, it was probably Guinan that planted that seed of Worf dating other women. Some of the Earth females found him tame. 🙂

It's pretty cool that she watched DS9 like all of us.

It also showed worf had a heart and having a romance heart is strength!

Seeing Marina Sirtis say the P-word was worth this clip 😛

She`s right. It was weird that they`ve became a couple. Their relationship was forced, fake and until season 4 or 5 (I don`t remember exactly) they`re even barely interact with each other. I don`t remember them having even a conversation in season one.

Just like Ogres. Klingons have Layers.

People are at different points in their life, even characters on a TV show. On TNG Troi helped Worf with Alexander and Worf saw the family life he never had with K’Ehleyr. On DS9 he got the warrior side of K’Ehleyr with the potential for a family but he had the best of both worlds and lost it in multiple ways as good guys often do.

Exactly right. It's a shame they couldn't give Marina Sirtis a better character to play. At least she got to pilot Big D and swoop in to rescue Picard and Riker in the last episode of Picard.

I never thought of it this way. I like her take on this. I didn't hate Worf and Troi but I also didn't want them to be long term (I was shipping her and Riker lol). I haven't gotten to his and Dax's relationship in DS9 yet but I feel like they are a better match

0:45 “..she was a trill. Whatever things that they had going on in their cultures that they brought to the relationship..” It wasn’t a culture thing. Curzon Dax had experience with Klingons specifically. It was that and Jadzia’s personality that made her pursue Worf.

The best match for worf was with K'Ehleyr the mother of his son.

Hate to contradict lovely if rough Marina, but Worf had a SOUL. He wasn't like other Klingons. He was raised by humans.

I completely forgot about the Troi/Worf relationship but the Worf/Dax is cemented in my brain.

A worf and deanna relationship was building up since season 5 but I do agree he was better suited with jadzia

Dax wasn't just a beauty. She was a 300 year old - plus brilliant badass beauty.

Is it bad that I dig Marina Sirtis way more here, how she is in this interview than I ever did in TNG?

If I remember correctly Marina Sirtis and Terry Farrel were friends in real life as well

And not only was Jadzia a Trill, but she was a Trill who could totally roll with the Klingons (thanks to Curzon’s experience). On TNG, Worf would have fared better with Yar. 😏

Maybe she didn't want Worf squeezing her nails into her own hand to the point of bleeding.

I agree with her. It did seem weird to me to see them together. But Word and Dax were cool.

My answer: Because Worf - Jadzia Relationship was just so much better. Me after seeing this video: Well, that was to expect.

I hated the Troi Worf diversion - I was glad when Troi got back with Riker.

Spot on. With Troi, Worf was trying too hard to act like a human husband instead of a Klingon husband. He wasn’t being true to his Klingon culture, which was really important to him - and so he wasn’t being true to himself. The Worf / Troi relationship wouldn’t have worked long term - eventually the psychological cost to Worf of massively repressing his own Klingon nature would have built up the stress within him to unbearable levels, and he would have exploded into violence. Worf would have ended up shouting at Troi, and maybe even hitting her. Given his Klingon strength, if he’d hit her she would have been severely injured at the least - possibly even killed.

Wonder how her opinion would have changed if she knew about the new Klingons' 'double barred shotgun'?

Whenever Troi and Warf were together it was in a different time line or alternate umiverse.

The Troi and Worf pairing always seemed to me one of the biggest mistakes in STTNG - it smacked a little of a series that has run so long it is desperate for novelty however improbable - like in sitcoms which are past their best and they do "dress-up" episodes where all the characters come on one by one in stupid costumes. Most sitcoms do an episode like that when they're wearing out and I think thr Troi-Worf pairing was STTNGs version of that.

Honestly, hearing a woman talk about what a woman wants from a man makes so much more sense than writers trying to guess. She wanted Worf to be Worf, and for him to retain his Klingoness, and that just makes sense

I agree with her assessment. Dax and Worf worked.

I asked her about the relationship and why and how did it end back 20 years ago and all she could say was that Michael Dorn growled after every kiss. I speculate that Michael Dorn lobbied to have a relationship so he could kiss the beauties.

But they looked so cute together walking down a corridor.

That is so I may say~

Never made sense to me either, for exactly the reason she states. Remembering that Worf is 100% Klingon by ancestry struggling to remain culturally Klingon despite being raised by a human family, he has to abandon all of that to fit Troi's half-Betazoid template for a romantic partner. Echos of Data's foray into human romance in TNG: "In Theory".

I liked them in that alternate reality when they were married. A bashful Worf.

Being around humans pussified Worf. In DS9 episode Children of Time. Worf’s own descendants were more hardcore Klingons than he was.

So Worf was so barely a Klingon that being tender made him not a Klingon? Well then.

..... "He kinda become an Oooooosy"!... LOL... She gets an Atta-Gurl for that!! 😂

I never found any relationship except O'Brian and his wife's believable. Everyone was so cold, so sexless and robotic, I couldn't imagine them actually being able to develop romantic feelings for one another.

Fun fact; did you know that Saavik and David Marcus were an item?

I shipped Worf and Troi, but I can her point here and in other interviews. It would have made sense if Lt. Riker stayed on board and wooed Troi, and pissed off Commander Riker. I would have liked to see the former clean-shaven, and the latter wearing a fake beard. But for some reason the showrunners decided there couldn't be interpersonal conflict, and it had to be wrapped up by the end of the episode, but then they brought him back to turn traitor on DS9.

She sounds like my neigbour. "You know, its like wheres me bo'le'o'wa'er? I been wai'in' abou' 'ere all day, wha' you muckin' abou' for, you know? Ge' on wi it."

It would have been hilarious if after, the scene where, they kiss, warf is walking away and Diana is sitting in a chair in the background, with her knees shaking, and she simply says I don't think I'm going to be able to walk!

I can't help but think of a certain other scene with Worf now whenever he says "Breakfast is served". Major Grin, what you've done to Worf's character is immoral, it's reprehensible ...ah - well done!

Beauty? You humans do not know a thing of beauty. A Klingon woman. Now THAT is beauty!

Once you go Klingon, you never go back. 🤣

Love hath charms to soothe the savage Klingon.

The only reason the Worf & Troi relationship _might've_ worked is for the same reason that the Worf & Jadzia relationship _DID_ work... she brought a playful & optimistic side to the relationship. Jadzia had the full package, though - the playfulness, the optimism, PLUS a warrior side and a familiarity with Klingon culture.

I absolutely agree with her take on this relationship. It felt forced and completely unnecessary. I have to admit, I was not a Troi fan at all. The first season was awful but got better after that. Troi was painful to watch. Marinas acting along with the terible scripts could have been the kiss of death to the show. Thankfully, what ever changed after season one saved it.

Love her!

What did she say? What did he kind of become? Anyone else caught off guard there?

I would like to know what movie/episode they split up? Or was that in the novels?

Marina... actually saying something positive about DS9? WHO IS THIS AND WHERE DID YOU PUT THE REAL MARINA?

She's right.

Everybody knows she's Riker's girl anyways

Yeah it could have worked but the direction and dynamic needed to be different. Maybe a little kinkier than TNG was ready to go. Even when DS9 tried to push the envelope on sexuality, it always came off as so subdued and tame. It's really in moments like that where you remember that you're on network TV, more than with the lack of gore.

Worf was the worst dad ever

Can't say I disagree. Worf and Dax made sense, because Dax was more warlike and able to match him in aggression. The Dax symbiote knew Klingon culture, new Klingon weaponry and fighting styles, and Worf didn't have to level down to be with her because she was more of a warrior. She was formidable in a way which would appeal to Worf. There was a lot about her which Klingons would respect. Troi was the opposite. She was empathetic, not a warrior, and Worf had to change to be with her, shedding a lot of what made him Worf. There was a tremendous amount in Troi that humans may respect, but not Klingons. It just made no sense.

I prefer seeing Riker with Diana Troi their relationship seemed better, and they had more chemistry

If Hitler and Lieutenant Worf were to kiss, their mustaches would never touch.

TNG had really bad character development compared to DS9, and Voyager was all over the place with it but had a few standouts like The Doctor of course

Yeah, she right.

Ugh. She hit the wall hard. This is Gold! She wants the big string alpha male to be more attentive, then immediately loses all attraction for him.

I agree 1000%. Sucks that Jadzia died but their relationship was best because she was also a worrier who understood his culture and she challenged Worf more. Deanna and Will always made sense because she’s the psychologist with peace and love and he’s reckless at times and very funny.

But it did work just in a different universe we seen it in the episode parallels

So Marina actually WATCHED DS9?! ;)

i mean, acting like troi is attractive to any man is a hard task - shows what a pro jonathan frakes is

But that assumes Klingon women are not attractive at all. However as we've seen throughout the series that's really not the case. The Klingon diplomat woman who died early on in the series I think was really the best match for him. Cultural compatibility really was Worfs biggest issue, because really not many other women besides a Klingon woman could really understand Klingon culture, as Martoks wife pointed out. That said Jadzia was a great match for Worf since she was Kurzon the Klingon diplomat in a past life.

I think maybe they should have done a few episodes with Worf/Troi together, then realize they were just too different and split up.

The Klingon anatomy was not suited for counselor troi shall we say😉😉😉

I love the fact that Marina Sirtis in real life is brassy, opinionated and hilarious. Not at all like the Troi character.

Shes right about Jadzia and Worf, but i have no idea what Trill culture brought with it. Beyond the symbiotic stuff theyre just boring with cold hands and spots... like space Canada

It was only put in the show for the weirdness factor.

It is because Worf had great taste, there were better options than Troi.

Beauty and the Klingon

The gentle empath and the violent Klingon were a ridiculous match. How could she be Worf’s idea of animal sex?

I agree

Worf-Dax made just as little sense. It was out of the blue without any previous implication.

Before stp3

Troi x Worf was a horrible idea.

The girls like their Klingons rough.

plus Klingon Johnson was just too van damme big