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Nolan's logic was like: A) Flowers are an expected and cherished gift for a date B) Tree is flower but bigger

To give Debbie some extra credit, Mark was kind of pushing it at the end. Like he was trying to get her to say she regretted meeting Nolan, to the point of asking for a completely different reality in which she wouldn't be herself.

I swear Debbi is such a good mother.

Nolan bringing Debbie a tree because "tree = bigger flower" is kinda adorable though

Damn she accepted Oliver so quick 🥹 such a beautiful mom

Those questions have "Would you still love me if..." vibes. You can't answer those without offending the asker, they are trap questions.

"You dated, right?" Seems like an odd question, but his dad is part of an alien empire that takes what it wants. And if a certain character is appearing, Mark might see that directly.

Nolan really did love his family but was torn between his new life and life mission...

My parents got divorced, and my mom, deapite having a LIBRARY's worth of reasons to leave my dad, says shed marry him all over again just to have me and my siblings

It’s the right choice to say “I don’t know” because that answer will hurt not only Mark, but Oliver as well when he gets older. But Mark should know she would have normal life with no super power family.

Debbie’s humanity rubbing off on Nolan is what changed him, and her outsized influence on Mark as the more present parent is what made him such a good person. She’s the whole reason Earth had a chance.

This really hurts. Mark cannot balance it because it is always impeding danger that he cannot control. With nolan he could control it and even then it hurt her so much. The thing that bugs me most is that there is this constant narrative that you have to do something. Some of us want a simple life.

Debbie might very well have changed the course of events in a major way. she both taught Nolan things that might have stuck, concepts he likely thought over when he left earth. She also instilled the best parts of being human to Mark, which gave earth its protector with those morals in him.

It's actually Canon that Debbie is the driving force on Marks good side. This is cemented when mark's evilest version was when his mother died at a young age before he got his powers(and that guy is a cannibal)

Debbi is so much more of a better mother in the show than the comics, it's crazy lmao.

I think Mark wants to set his mom free from the bs he has to go through. If it meant that Debbie would live a normal, happy life, I'm sure Mark wouldn't mind if he never existed.

Debbie really is such a strong person being able to deal with all of that for so many years and still want to be with Nolan. I mean the fact that her love actually changed a Viltrimite is still amazing to me. It truly speaks to Debbie’s strength as a person.

Nolan is the epitome of “if he wanted to he would” “Hey babe let’s take a trip to Columbia” builds an island

The voice acting from Steven Yeun and Sandra Oh in this scene is just so perfect you can have all the action, drama etc but this feels a lot grounded too and I that's what I love about Invincible it seperates from most animated superhero animated and live action series

Poor Debbie.

1:16 hits different man!

Nolan: If flower good and flower plant then bigger plant better (casually rips off a three)

I feel like we missed a good story of Nolan acting like Son Goku

I’m honestly shocked she feels in connection with Oliver you would think she would just feel indifferent to him

i love hearing stuff about nolan getting used to earth's culture, him bringing debbie a tree instead of flowers because "tree is big flower, so better" is amazing

Mark is just asking for reference on how to proceed with Amber.

I thought these were weird questions to ask… Debbie loves her family unconditionally and Mark should know that

Vegeta vibes

This is kind of similar to Goku and Chichi relationship.

I ABSOLUTELY loved both dialogues in the backyard, top tier for me, it gives SOOOOOOO much depth to Debbie compared to the comics.

Remember what Ben Parker said to Peter?

I have had this conversation almost word for word with my mother

Damn good answer.

wholesome

My parents had an arranged marriage then had me so I was dead when marks mom was like do you think we just got married and had you

Great scene.

So Nolan was a himbo 😂

He surely learnt a lot feom his "pet"

Debbie knows that this whole experience was like a blessing in disguise, because although Nolan turned out to be a genocidal maniac who lied to her for 20 years through that experience she had Mark, and so it’s a hard question to ask because in retrospect you’d like for that thing that turned out to be bad to have not happened but at the same time you look at the great things that that life has given you and it makes you doubt that you actually would want to trade that for a different life

I like the way he asked that question, it must be that time in the anime for Mark and Amber’s break up… makes sense it’s too dangerous dating someone who isn’t a superhero when you got your own alien race threatening war

Is it ethical for Mark to date any human who's not super and put them through this? Even if they accept the cost. Even if they make that choice. Is it okay? And would someone who's okay with being alone most of the time with only a brief nearly estranged relationship... is that really a relationship?

You know, I almost asked the same que to my mum, I mean, if it weren’t for us, she could’ve be the boss’s assistants taking care of hundreds of employees, getting better paid, getting respect from people instead of earning meager wages for the same 30 plus years under my dad. I didn’t want to ask her that, it would be rude to me and my brother, n sister. I wouldn’t want to not exist, but I wouldn’t want her to be unhappy. I know she will be happier without us, but I love my siblings and wouldn’t exchange for the world.

Dang!

As a son of a Control Freak, Criminal and Felon father that grew up with a single parent for more than a decade and there being issues in the family, I think of questions like this and wonder the same thing, if my dad and me gone would've been better for my mom, the permanent mark I come from a bad and problematic dad included.

Outro song?

Why did she lie to him, she should have just said no. Mark would understand. I too would understand if i was in his shoes.

I mean what's wrong with a tree? Mans could literally plant it in the back yard too lmao..shidddd ill take a few trees that grow fruit😂

Love her

😅 I don't know pet could talk

Title needs a full stop somewhere in the middle. Sounds like she dated all of them. Even if two of them are the same and the other two are them.

Another thing to consider: Nolan was the most powerful and dangerous person/creature anywhere outside of other Viltrumites or whatever. Anissa shows up during a date and he actually can stop her if he wants to. But she wouldn't show up because...Nolan was On The Clock. Mark might be the strongest and fastest Earthling right now but he isn't "The Danger." Lois Lane and Debbie Grayson were safe because Superman or Omniman would keep them safe. And they could. Because no one was stronger than them. That changes the equation. It is the same reason WonderBat works. Batman MIGHT have problems with Wonder Woman's Rogues Gallery but she wouldn't with his.

唉 有次 我老妈以前也这么跟我讲过 if we dont meet i would not have you

🐶

It would’ve been nice to see what she’s describing.

Weird question to ask your mother

I think deep down Debbie wishes never met Nolan after all the bad things he did and she better with a normal man after all.

to be fair kind her take nolan kid in not her own show how much love her husband other wise stay oniman she clear love want him come back honest

"Uh, yes, we dated. You think we just met and married and had you?" [Cue flashback to the 90's when his parents met at a nightclub dancing to Snoop Dogg]

I ship

They dated so hard

Why isn't that pet wearing a Leash

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This is why Lois Lane can't be with Superman Noland and Debbie are a perfect example of why this scenario of a superpowered woman falling in love with a human woman would never work out...

If I was mark I’d try to help her with her loneliness 😈

I like how the writing constantly tries to make Debbie look like a deep and insightful person, but the reality is she dated a tall, jacked super strong handsome guy without really knowing anything about him just because she is your average shallow woman who goes for looks only and then gets abused by assholes.