Mark & Carrie: There Are No Facts

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Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs

Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs

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Recorded July 10, 2020
Mark Blyth, political economist at Brown's Watson Institute, and political scientist Carrie Nordlund share their take on the news.
On this episode: unpacking the biggest SCOTUS cases of the last two weeks; Trump's not-so-good summer so far; questioning if Trump's numbers are really as bad as they seem; 2020 Election as declaration of culture war; the difference between affect (also known as bull***t) and truth; the racial, economic, and generational contours to the debate over 'free speech'.
To hear more visit: / markandcarrie , or download on your favorite podcast app
If you like Mark and Carrie, check out Watson's other politics and policy podcast, Trending Globally. You can also find it wherever you listen to podcasts, or on Soundcloud here: [ / watsoninstitut. .]

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@annlynch6658
@annlynch6658 4 жыл бұрын
I remain completely bemused by the notion that any employer should have anything to do with medical decisions. Unshackle medical insurance from employment. Give employees the money and let them choose their own health care. Then they can take it with them when the company lays them off. Make the insurance industry rethink the products.
@buzoff4642
@buzoff4642 4 жыл бұрын
@D Das Apparently you didn't watch the nationally broadcast Obama tried to have with the R senators, where they refused to say a single word, regarding reshaping health care, when crafting of ACA was in progress.
@ericdaniel323
@ericdaniel323 4 жыл бұрын
@@buzoff4642 that was exactly why the opportunity should have been there. The Republicans made it clear that they would not support anything Obama wanted, even if it was originally their idea (as ACA basically was). The Democrats were never going to pass anything without strident opposition, but Democrats and independents like Joe Lieberman decided to take advantage of the outsize power they had in the push to 60 votes in the senate.
@MonMalthias
@MonMalthias 4 жыл бұрын
@@buzoff4642 @Eric Daniel This is absolutely a lie. The democrats at the time had a majority and they could ram through healthcare legislation, Republican wailing and gnashing of teeth or not. Obama was the one who pushed bipartisanship and they compromised for nothing. Well, not nothing. They compromised and used bipartisanship as an excuse to push through extremely pro-insurance industry legislation that wound up quite similar to Mitt Romney's vision of healthcare. And what did the Republicans do? Wail and gnash their teeth anyway and reframe Romneycare as Obamacare.
@FrozenBoobies
@FrozenBoobies 4 жыл бұрын
It would be great if the articles mentioned in the podcast would be written in the description below
@TankUni
@TankUni 4 жыл бұрын
I guess for most people if they can't see something and it hasn't affected them personally, it's not real.
@TankUni
@TankUni 4 жыл бұрын
@M T Bolsanaro's a bit of a special case I think. But also, let's see if he's still as offhand about it in a couple of weeks.
@black__bread
@black__bread 4 жыл бұрын
Love how Mark does a pretty basic albeit brutal economic determinism (plus FT quotes) while Carrie farts about with headlines and op-eds we've already read. Very Cannon and Ball.
@grimfandango2006
@grimfandango2006 4 жыл бұрын
bit harsh on Carrie
@matthewstone1362
@matthewstone1362 3 жыл бұрын
That Cannon and Ball reference 😳 one for the kids....Topical.
@matthewstone1362
@matthewstone1362 3 жыл бұрын
Very Peter and the Corinthians.
@dopplereffect4278
@dopplereffect4278 4 жыл бұрын
There was also that small border dispute between two major nuclear powers, namely India and China, where 20 soldiers died on the Indian side and an unconfirmed number died (or maybe just injured) on the Chinese side.
@aliasoma
@aliasoma 4 жыл бұрын
Great show Mark & Carrie. Could we get time stamps for future episodes?
@webfreakz
@webfreakz 4 жыл бұрын
"on that bomb-shell, it's time to end the show" :)
@RickG151
@RickG151 4 жыл бұрын
As to sending the online students home, though, you should be aware that JAPAN decided one weekend in late March to ban re-entry to any working visa resident who happened to be outside the country. With only 72 hours' notice. And no indication of what tests or steps were needed to re-enter. Meanwhile, their own people (Japanese citizens) could go in and out with apparently no concern about COVID. So, to the extent that young Japanese taking online Harvard are told to go home, the approach the remaining Trump Administration (July 2020 - January 2021) is taking is extremely fair and consistent with what other countries have done.
@jamesp3902
@jamesp3902 4 жыл бұрын
It depends if covid is airborne or not. The masks are intended to limit spread by droplets. Masks are of limited use if it turns out to be airborne.
@aaronbono4688
@aaronbono4688 4 жыл бұрын
I thought that if your accounting firm screws up and you sign the forms, YOU, not the accounting firm, are liable for the mistakes.
@davidpearn5925
@davidpearn5925 4 жыл бұрын
Who signed off on it.............. right ?
@davidpearn5925
@davidpearn5925 4 жыл бұрын
.......and read the fine print .
@davidpearn5925
@davidpearn5925 4 жыл бұрын
Capone signs his........right.
@Luke-iq9yk
@Luke-iq9yk 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent discussion, though now I'm convinced the world has pretty much totally lost the plot everywhere :( Think I'll watch some Cheers episodes, to see Ted Danson before he was in Fargo and the world went nuts.
@shiahulud56
@shiahulud56 4 жыл бұрын
The NE is a lot cooler temp wise than, seems hot areas effected. This makes sense, most people inside in AC areas. CA is also seeing a spike in cases along with the rest of the sun belt.
@NamhadiNdemufayo
@NamhadiNdemufayo 4 жыл бұрын
New York is still going crazy. Sweden isn't doing to well either. Both are cooler temperature areas.
@itcamefromthedeep
@itcamefromthedeep 4 жыл бұрын
Look up "Stop FIring the Innocent" by Yascha Mounk. The Harpers letter is a Main Street issue. People like the signatories all report getting thousands of emails thanking them for saying in public what they think they can't for fear of getting fired.
@1martinlocke
@1martinlocke 4 жыл бұрын
I just want all this to be over.
@troywalkertheprogressivean8433
@troywalkertheprogressivean8433 4 жыл бұрын
20:00 agreed. the people that are willing to stand up and fight, fight for the wrong thing.
@marzuraanmarzuraan1226
@marzuraanmarzuraan1226 4 жыл бұрын
No Mustang vs Volvo metaphor? Saaaad...
@ViZionCreativeTV
@ViZionCreativeTV 4 жыл бұрын
I have used that one since! Epic
@hannahb950
@hannahb950 4 жыл бұрын
Please Mark and Carrie let us know your reading lists each week esp the international news sites.... because, if a bunch of us (esp me*) had prior knowledge of the events we'd be SO stoked 2 either: be proved wrong in prior thought: delighted 2 know of something you said before you said it. But, seriously, the smart people (not me) will put the theories 2 put your theories to the test....
@gking407
@gking407 4 жыл бұрын
Hit pause on the culture war stuff, and don’t fall for Tricky Trump. As Mark said one re-imagining at a time!
@grubernitsch
@grubernitsch 4 жыл бұрын
"I wanted to go into other domains where this surplus functions. Especially power and knowledge. In power we have 'surplus power'. That's for me the weakness of this contractual liberalism. Even with the most democratic power, where they say 'we're just your servant' [...] No. For power to effectively function [...] no matter how much they are bound by laws and regulations. There has to be this Superego message between the lines 'but basically we can do whatever we want'. It has to be that threat of omnipotence, which of course has to remain potential, but it has to be there." kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mL2mrMh5zs7QqZ8.html
@bn7441
@bn7441 4 жыл бұрын
I think you need better mice. the sound is not crisp
@mmmk6322
@mmmk6322 4 жыл бұрын
Damn that's a good take on Trump and Boris. Also the Chinese being Chinese is based. Talk about Russia some more!
@dannifredeiksen2228
@dannifredeiksen2228 4 жыл бұрын
why is no1 talking about the gorges dam in China, insane disaster waiting to happen, if it breaks 40% of chinas gdp lost, around 400 -600 mill people will die in floods. in this moment all citys near the dam and the river, is under 3-5 floors of water. keep up the AWESOME work Mark and Carrie, love your show, good luck from Denmark
@buzoff4642
@buzoff4642 4 жыл бұрын
Because "waiting to happen" takes a back seat to disasters in progress.
@davidpearn5925
@davidpearn5925 4 жыл бұрын
What is Hamilton?
@buzoff4642
@buzoff4642 4 жыл бұрын
It's a musical based on a book that's on the life of Alexander Hamilton. Aggrandized for all-minority cast, and for modern music. It is well done, but sexist. Hamilton, in the play, frets over his legacy. And the musical's author blows it from the start, "his mother was a whore", "his father was a Scotsman". Apparently Scots are capable of immaculate conception.
@Varlwyll
@Varlwyll 4 жыл бұрын
If you've seen it you're a 1%er
@spitezor
@spitezor 4 жыл бұрын
Trump isn't sick because he's one of the lizard people making frogs gay. #GetWithTheProgram :rolleyes:
@johndorney7812
@johndorney7812 4 жыл бұрын
What I liked about Mark Blyth when I first came across him was that he argued for the importance of concrete, objective economic factors in the rise of 'Global Trumpism'. Specifically the rise of economic inequality. I'm therefore disappointed to hear him (unless I misunderstood) endorsing the liberal left's campaign for symbolic and semantic 'goodness' and talking about 'cultural privilege' . Is this not precisely the kind of thing, divorced from real world concerns, that led to Trumpism?
@invanorm
@invanorm 4 жыл бұрын
I had a similar reaction. I think Mark needs to think through those particular issues a lot more.
@JoaoSantos-lv4rc
@JoaoSantos-lv4rc 4 жыл бұрын
I think... i think he knew that thing about him and Russia and information was going to come out about now. to explain the students thing. it was too random. and he stands to loose more with his base if the Russia thing gets more traction.
@cev12
@cev12 4 жыл бұрын
Comment on how letting in all these international students (because they pay full tuition, and thus disadvantage Americans) affects American students' acceptance rates at graduate and undergraduate schools, and also competition for employment against Americans in our very tight (aka liveable wage) jobs market? Doesn't sound like good policy. (Sounds like the stuff woke, comfortable liberals would love though fail to really understand.)
@buzoff4642
@buzoff4642 4 жыл бұрын
He's oblivious to the fact that CPT and OPT are cheap labor programs. 15% savings on the employer tax breaks for an OPT, to start with. The Mr came as an F1 student, with a bachelors, who was paid $5 a hour, as campus captive labor, working as a research assistant. Mark, economist, "We make money off them." equates to "the right thing to do". Perfectly in alignment with Wall St's very short term quarterly returns mindset.
@kalebdaark100
@kalebdaark100 4 жыл бұрын
I'm watching this on youtube and thoses jokes still didn't make sense. ;-)
@00BillyTorontoBill
@00BillyTorontoBill 4 жыл бұрын
Mark and Carrie. Whats going on in Israel ? Bibi back on trial? Hows that play if he is convicted?
@SentientStone
@SentientStone 4 жыл бұрын
While I have not done full research on the reeducation camps, I have to say that those reeducation centres were done in order to better assimilate the population and region into the system of the rest of China. The radical terrorist attacks (trained and brainwashed by Saudi Arabia I heard) from years back triggered the plan for these reeducation centres, but the numbers and exact details of these camps have two angles. The one portrayed by the West makes them look like absolute terror and the one portrayed by China make them look like high school where people just learn Mandarin, sing, and do sports. I am sure the truth is perhaps in between these two portrayals, those deemed radical may have been put in the bad camps, while regular citizens may be in the good camps. :)
@SentientStone
@SentientStone 4 жыл бұрын
@D Das Banned according to whom?
@joebrady6032
@joebrady6032 4 жыл бұрын
You seem to be lacking "facts" on China. You do have the state dept. talking points though
@johnnycto7576
@johnnycto7576 4 жыл бұрын
well what about Uigur camps? "Fake noos"?
@TheTalkWatcher
@TheTalkWatcher 4 жыл бұрын
@@johnnycto7576 Do you think the US has a leg to stand on given our history? What do you think Indian Reservations are?
@putrapratama-sq8hu
@putrapratama-sq8hu 4 жыл бұрын
Trump going to be won 2020 it seems... he played this games very excellently... damn it...
@autohmae
@autohmae 4 жыл бұрын
As I understand it the Dutch has no problem helping pay for the southern European countries, but it has to mean they reform so they strengthen their economy.
@buzoff4642
@buzoff4642 4 жыл бұрын
Do tell how Italy "reforms" (and Greece) when northern Europe issues a general "Refugees and migrants welcome", and then dumps the issue on those two countries? The two should've run the buses and trains full of the arrivals straight to Germany.
@autohmae
@autohmae 4 жыл бұрын
​@@buzoff4642 The in-flow of immigrants in the last 5 years or so has been reduced by about 90%. So the EU isn't doing nothing. Dutch still have a problem with not taking in enough immigrants. 100% agree it should be solved. In part I think this is because Eastern European countries that agreed to take in immigrants aren't doing so. So the Dutch say: then why should we ? That's obviously the wrong stance by the Dutch. Germany has taking in a lot more immigrants in recent times than before. But I don't know how it compares to Italy/Greece, but definitely a lot more compared to other northern European countries.
@buzoff4642
@buzoff4642 4 жыл бұрын
@@autohmae Same thing in the US. The pro-migration deflect. I'm Euro political illiterate. Looks (from here) like Merkel's decision, with no consensus, no plan.
@autohmae
@autohmae 4 жыл бұрын
@@buzoff4642 Seems to me Merkel and Germany are more willing to help the southern countries now than in 2008 because it effects Germany more this time around. Maybe it's just an Italy is to big to fail. Greece in 2008 was not ? Whatever it is: maybe Merkel can do more than before because she isn't trying to get elected.
@R00365
@R00365 4 жыл бұрын
The only problem with this show is the inexplicable scheduling. Appart from that I always love it. 👍
@johnnycto7576
@johnnycto7576 4 жыл бұрын
You get a fine if you're not wearing a seat belt, how is wearing a mask any different?
@Varlwyll
@Varlwyll 4 жыл бұрын
You don't have an inherent right to drive a car, you DO have an inherent right to leave your house.
@mmmk6322
@mmmk6322 4 жыл бұрын
So... Mark made a prediction pre Corona that Trump would win, and I agree. But now idk, did Mark make another prediction regarding Trump's winning chances?
@richardbarry04553
@richardbarry04553 4 жыл бұрын
He’s still going to be re-elected - the democrats are going to make sure of that
@timpat88
@timpat88 4 жыл бұрын
Mark England may get a spike but thanks to Nicola sturgeon Scotland is going well
@fuzzbouquet
@fuzzbouquet 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy these conversations, but how does a "political scientist" not know how to pronounce Angela Merkel?
@RKarabeckian
@RKarabeckian 4 жыл бұрын
There are Trumpies in my Mark & Carrie comments. How did they find this place?
@craigbowers4016
@craigbowers4016 4 жыл бұрын
Do you watch the other shows on this channel? They could easily find their way in.
@buzoff4642
@buzoff4642 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe your tribal purity expectations are your problem.
@andrewlankford9634
@andrewlankford9634 4 жыл бұрын
Oh, is that a fact?
@kyledrums
@kyledrums 4 жыл бұрын
Younger gens have a way better grasp to technology/information which is occurring at an incredibly fast rate (regarding changes of terms, language etc) but yea I'd be a bit annoyed if I were Carrie too. The olds just can't keep up and are mad. Oh and Hamilton ALWAYS sucked.
@pathevermore3683
@pathevermore3683 4 жыл бұрын
i agree with everything you say, except hamilton.
@buzoff4642
@buzoff4642 4 жыл бұрын
"The olds just can't keep up" Who do you think created the tech you're using?!?
@joeleonard9965
@joeleonard9965 4 жыл бұрын
I usually agree with everything Mark says, but I think he is misinterpreting the reason for the letter and overanalyzing the timing. It is an easy mistake to view the cancel culture movement as good faith, but there are and have been serious implications to both cancel culture and censorship online. In academia today, even seemingly benign statements that contradict dominant opinions will get you fired and attacked.
@buzoff4642
@buzoff4642 4 жыл бұрын
Ah, "dominant" opinions aren't "dominant", else we wouldn't be in this culture war.
@joeleonard9965
@joeleonard9965 4 жыл бұрын
@@buzoff4642 I see what you mean but I mean dominant only in academia. They are not dominant in the American populus.
@onedrop7967
@onedrop7967 4 жыл бұрын
Democrat policies are working.... as expected. Dumpster Fire in progress.
@TySeagraves
@TySeagraves 4 жыл бұрын
First, nerds
@riva2003
@riva2003 4 жыл бұрын
A Great talk. But Mark should really expose himself less to topics about China. Made him quite a novice.
@olibrooke-bailey333
@olibrooke-bailey333 4 жыл бұрын
In what way? Would you care to elaborate as to any point that he made being incorrect? Or are you one of the billions of people who think they can just will thier opinion into being fact by simply stating it?
@itsme-nt2lj
@itsme-nt2lj 4 жыл бұрын
you talk like trump knows how to play chess, much less 3d chess
@ViZionCreativeTV
@ViZionCreativeTV 4 жыл бұрын
Capitalism has been the guiding principle of the past 500 or so years...so has its peculiar institutions. White Supremacy grew out of the renisance and the enlightenment to justify the system and industrialization. The reality is that capitalism is a celebration of an aversion to work that has been propped up by free or almost free labor. You either win the game so everyone else does your share or you use everyone elses efforts to promote your world view. We naively fell for the idea that liberal arts would infect the halls of Money and Power when in fact just the opposite came to pass. Chomsky said there are only 2 positions on freedom of speech...'you are either for it or not' and that you have to stand up for it precisely when you disagree with it the most. Where is the reset button the world needs a reboot.
@Varlwyll
@Varlwyll 4 жыл бұрын
Capitalism has been the "guiding principle" for 300 years MAX. The purpose it served was the democratization of power with regards to non-nobility and in contradistinction to the nobility, who had power by right of birth.
@ViZionCreativeTV
@ViZionCreativeTV 4 жыл бұрын
@@Varlwyll um capitalism existed under monarchs. Nobility were just the ones that owned the property. Democracy is a political system, Capitalism is an economic system. It grew out of mercantilism
@liam3553
@liam3553 4 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the world of Right wing v Left wing fascism.
@Varlwyll
@Varlwyll 4 жыл бұрын
What these two credentialists dont seem to understand about cancel culture is that apologizing makes them come after you harder and conceding things that you dont believe makes you a hypocrite. The response "lmao why didnt Rowling just apologize and say she'd do better like it's not even a big deal lol what's her problem" is absurd given the wider implications of that attitude for society. Appeasers like these 2 got us into this mess.
@paulfadden8834
@paulfadden8834 4 жыл бұрын
31:00 The Hong Kong people were part of the British Empire until it went back to China. There is a huge difference between looking after people who are part of your Country and looking after everyone in the World! If you look at what is Right wing in the UK, compared to what is Right Wing in other European Countries, the comparisons are not even close! You will see that the UK is very tolerant of different cultures, race is just an easy way to distract the populace and keep them divided so they can't see the real issues. There are however a massive number of JAMs who do not appreciate their wages being trampled through the bringing in of cheap labor. It is important that the labor market is kept stable to stop wages getting too high, but the way the current system filters all of the money to the top 0.1% is not in the interest of anyone except those people at the top. The reason that the media portrays the issue with wages onto the populist attitudes toward immigration is to shield the people from the fact that the issue is not caused by the immigrants! They are the patsies, the issue is the way the rich use the immigrants as an excuse to reduce wages so that they can make more money. If immigrants came into the country, merged with the population instead of creating areas solely populated by a single racial group, which in turn causes conflict with their neighbors and wages were not suppressed, I honestly don't think there would be an issue! When I was in primary school we had one Black Boy, 1 Asian Boy and 1 Asian Girl in my year. These days the number of people from all over the EU and other countries is far greater, for decades now these people have been growing up together so racism is not even close to how it was when I was a kid. However where you do find issues is where the authorities give preferential treatment to people from other Countries over their own citizens and that is an understandable response, because the way we are conditioned is to believe that law's apply to us all equally which is clearly not the case! The problem with your left wing globalist mindset of open borders is that the base is unstable! In Tai Chi and Taoism the most important thing is a stable base, a strong stance. The problem in the West is that the base has been in perpetual eroded since the 70's and possibly before then. If a government wants to make big changes they are relying on not upsetting too many of their voters because doing so will destroy them and stop them from getting back into Government and although I agree with letting people who were Hong Kong Residents before the control of Hong Kong was handed back to China a right to live in the UK, and their kids. To protect the British Population it does not make sense to allow anyone in who has a serious criminal record e.g. GBH, ABH, murder, Pedophilia, rape etc.. The Left Wing Globalists sell the freedom of movement as a right that we should all have and if that was really the case I'm not sure people would see it as an issue, but that's not true! With the exception of EU Citizens moving within the EU, the only people who are being allowed to travel to where ever they want to go are those people who come from poorer countries, because they benefit the Company owners. As a Brit, regardless of my ethinic group or sex I have no right to go where ever I want to, so why do you see that as a moral slight if I consider other people being given this privilege as unfair! When I hear about people who have served in the UK Armed Forces living on the street or in tents along the river, because the EU countries have chosen to ignore homelessness and then I hear about someone who has not contributed anything to the UK being given priority why do you consider that as xenophobic? In some cases with people who are racist certainly it is, but in my case it more about prioritizing those who have put back into society over those who have not!
@alittlebitoflight
@alittlebitoflight 4 жыл бұрын
It'd be nice if Mark and Carrie were less predictable on culture stuff. Ah yes, the right ("extreme", of course, and comprising the lion's share of the problem); the far left (sort of a problem but only because they're mirroring the right); the clueless centre, desperate for relevance after failing to sufficiently extinguish the right; and Mark and Carrie outside it all comprising the all seeing eye - standard bourgeois progressive guff. They often talk about "people like us" vis. economic issues. Psst, it applies to cultural politics, too.
@zozmachine
@zozmachine 4 жыл бұрын
Who else came here expecting star wars?
@itcamefromthedeep
@itcamefromthedeep 4 жыл бұрын
Like a lot of lefties, you two are badly misunderstanding the Harpers letter. People vulnerable to being cancelled wouldn't publicly sign, because they'd lose their job, because they'd be cancelled. It was signed by the un-cancelable to give cover to the more vulnerable.
@MichaeldeSousaCruz
@MichaeldeSousaCruz 4 жыл бұрын
How can New Zealand with a sovereign currency take a hit economically when they can create as many NZ Dollars to employ people and purchase anything that is for sale for the NZ Dollar? C’mon Mark, time to smarten up on MMT, you know what I’m talking about, you know the people
@annlynch6658
@annlynch6658 4 жыл бұрын
This works only so long as New Zealand buys nothing they can't produce. International Money Exchange.
@MichaeldeSousaCruz
@MichaeldeSousaCruz 4 жыл бұрын
D Das printing money? How else do you think a sovereign nation spends?
@warhurst1968
@warhurst1968 4 жыл бұрын
Dear Oh dear Mark Blyth, do you really consider yourself a scientist ? Your diatribe on China is pitiful, or are you looking for a spot on the FOX network?
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