Marshall JCM 800 Studio vs Chinese 2204 "clone"
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Thanks for watching my comparison of the Marshall JCM 800 Studio SC20H Studio Classic and the Wangs 2204HW, a boutique handmade/handwired amplifier. Which one would you buy considering the sound, price and build? Let me know in the comments!
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@joanesinu 6 ай бұрын
Suprised how identical they sound.
@kesamek8537 3 жыл бұрын
Wangs has the sound I wish a stock 800 had. Winner. Excellent video thank you.
@mountainpeakcloud8442 4 ай бұрын
Been listening to this clip for a while as I’m trying to decide if I want a Wangs. The Wangs does sound a bit brighter, but the Marshall seems to have more low end, despite being only 20W. It’s tough, because what I like about JCM800 is the balance in the low end with the glassy high mids.
@sundrenched6248 Жыл бұрын
In Europe these are about the same price (around 900 euro). It's very subjective but I'd rather have the SC20H. I prefer the Marshall's slightly warmer/thicker sound and it looks right for a Marshall. The build quality of the Wangs seems stellar though, and for someone else that one could be a great choice as well.
@jcwm01 3 жыл бұрын
I picked up the Wangs based on your last video on it and I'm blown away by this amp! I was very interested in how it compared to the Marshall so I was very happy to see you did this comparison. It is clear to me now that I made the right choice for the kind of tone I am after. Thank you so much for making these videos!!!
@wangsamps 3 жыл бұрын
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@Stashmanfpv 3 жыл бұрын
Johnny M, Same here… picked up a Wangs 2204 as of last month. (cream with a 1x12 cabinet) The amp is really incredible and took me back to 1982, while playing through a Marshall #2204 and a Mesa Boogie (the one with EQ on the righ hand side.) … the Boogie was SICKENING LOUD and could be heard for blocks and blocks! I’ll never forget that one! But the Marshall had that “magic tone” that you could feel through your guitar and your entire body, almost as you were one with the amp and could do no wrong. I get that with this amp and a good 4x12. It doesn’t need pedals (Wangs) but with an SD-1, it most certainly throws some fire in front of the amp and is a huge tonal reward! All in all, I’m extremely happy with my Wangs and plan on doing more business with them soon, as well as adding a video of the seriousness of this amp! 🔥🔥🔥 Best! ✌🏼
@highsocietyskate 3 жыл бұрын
The wangs was a nice surprise on the boosted metal tones! Very responsive and open sounding.. Definitely an interesting amp! Love your work man!
@acexxxoasis 3 жыл бұрын
As a proud Wangs owner I really wish people would give them a shot and for the price let's be real nothing is touching them at the rate they're going for.
@wammbarro 3 жыл бұрын
It's only in the name...
@acexxxoasis 3 жыл бұрын
@@wammbarro if it was pronounced how it looks... But no I bought it so I can make playing with my Wangs jokes. Aside from the tone I get. I'm a grown child lmao.
@wangsamps 3 жыл бұрын
@@acexxxoasis 🥴😂🍻
@wangsamps 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshmuz9018 EF X loop would ruin the ‘simple circuit’ and would no longer the shortest most direct circuit path and therefore would not be an honorable build.
@chadhudson2046 2 жыл бұрын
@@wangsamps Can’t play half my material without a FX loop. If you offered it as a option, I would already have ordered your amp. The Metropoulous FX loop is completely transparent. You can switch it out of the circuit as well.
@ytb917 2 жыл бұрын
this guy makes the best guitar sound comparison videos on the internet. 100% no doubt about it. the hand-wired amp had a better sound. the marshall had a sheen to the sound which can get annoying over time.
@fytakytemusic 3 жыл бұрын
Great comparison! - really well done, and I appreciate the high production value of demonstrations. For me, the Wangs was a clear winner on the clean-ish tones, but the crunch tones were taken hands down by the Marshall. The Marshall has a very particular "woody knock" in the low midrange, and an aggressiveness to its attack that isn't "pretty" like the Wangs, but it is quintessentially "Marshall", and the reason why I fell in love with that tone 30 years ago. With the metal-is tones - again - the Wangs sounded excellent, but a little "prettier". The low end was less muddy in the Wangs too, but I was missing a little of the Marshall's "punch to the guts". Once again, congratulations on a really excellent video!
@Qaaqqutsiannguaq 3 жыл бұрын
I like more open sound so I would pick Wangs, and it could be my next one. Nice channel as usual and keep nice work
@timeshock1255 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant amps, tones and video, my friend!
@grayaj23 3 жыл бұрын
Who even is this "Marshall" guy, copying a great amp like the Wangs 2204HW.
@shredgd5 3 жыл бұрын
I agree 100% with your own description of the differences!
@slash196 3 жыл бұрын
The JCM800 is such a fantastic amp.
@cmd_f5 2 жыл бұрын
The Wang's has more open feel and brighter cleans. Distortion/drive is also more open and full. Not surprised really, but it's interesting how similar they sound. It's like the Marshall is just a Wangs with a powersoak or half watts, but they both are awesome. Great jamming as always. If I were buying one of these, I'd pick up the Wang's and try to metal it up with a boost or two but let the amp retain its character. Something about the Marshall sound just works for a lot of different extreme genres if dialed in right. Great vid!
@russellklassen7951 Жыл бұрын
Very well done comparison, thank you sir
@SonicDriveStudio Жыл бұрын
Cheers
@Full_Deflection 2 ай бұрын
Just ordered a Wangs and really looking forward to it.
@jnvo666 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure you can get a closer sound to the marshall with th wangs by lowering the presence knob. Great video as always!
@harryanderson7282 3 жыл бұрын
If anyone's interested in a detailed examination of the Marshall's internals, Tony McKenzie's done a rather in-depth/ deep dive vid on them. That said, I believe they are made, and not just assembled, in the UK.
@jst601 2 жыл бұрын
Correct. The Studio series is UK made.
@axrip1 3 жыл бұрын
I just got the SC20H after selling my 2525H and now this video after the friedman going against the SC20H. I Might just get a full JCM800 and be done with it!
@tschuld1 3 жыл бұрын
@axrip what are your thoughts of the 2525h vs the SC 20? Just curious!
@nothingEvil101 3 жыл бұрын
@@tschuld1 Jube has bit more gain, brighter, little less mid grunt, need to crank the mids higher than you first think on a marshall. Both are glorious
@axrip1 3 жыл бұрын
@@tschuld1 So i tried all 3 of them, the SV20h too. The SC20 have a better more direct sound its more clear and louder but havent got as much gain as the 2525H. The 2525H has this more modern tone, more "metal" saturated and thick tone but at the same time also probably a better clean tone ironically. I miss the 2525h a bit but for a more direct marshall sound I think I did the right choice going with the SC20H It can give you more "plexitone" as well (im using a carl martin plexitone) and with a revv g3 and a lovetone silver I can get some more modern tones. SC20H takes pedals better also. The SV20H is probably the best amp of all of the 3 but its got its distinct vintage tone and if you want a more modern tone its the other two. I guess....
@tschuld1 3 жыл бұрын
@@axrip1 thanks for the info! Really helpful. I like the 2525..it does a lot..it is a little thick at times..the cleans are pretty good. I am a huge Smiths fan, and I can get there with it. Only pedal I have that it likes is my TS. My OCD not so much. Great amp but I wonder if the SC 20 would be more what I am looking for.
@axrip1 3 жыл бұрын
@@tschuld1 They are different and excel at different things so im sorry to say the only way is too really test them in real life I would say! I also think that you cant really replicate the exact sound of the other one using pedals neither. You can get close but not there quite. I miss the softer saturated tone from the 2525h when pulling out the left pull channel to get some more middle not over the top bluestones, bonamassa overdrive tones. I think its better at that. The more you turn down the input gain on the 2525h the better it takes pedals. SV20 is not good with pedals either. Jons comparison vid. is the best one out there, if you listen at the end isolated back and forth carefully, it gives you the best youtube feel but its more after playing them irl that you also can relate to that: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jbiknNmLq5-0nGg.html
@tigspencer 2 жыл бұрын
I like the Wangs better in every side-by-side comparison. I'm really liking the boosted tone of the Wangs and putting it in my "Want to Buy" folder.
@gil_evans 2 жыл бұрын
Finally somebody showing the clean tone possibilities using the low sensitivity input on 800s. Nice! Circuitwise it is a bit strange because the first stage the signal enters is already biased cold. But I like the sound.
@bazazzzz4347 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a Vintage marshall nerd, but that Wangs is absolutely fantastic!
@ShaunNelson 2 жыл бұрын
Both sounds great, I still like the Marshall's grunt more.
@Superjet113 3 жыл бұрын
Love Marshalls, but here, the hand wired Wangs FTW!
@stevendugger3722 3 жыл бұрын
They both sound pretty damn good!
@wangsamps 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! I would like to add that Wangs 50HW series are called “Simple circuits” It means Mr. Wang chose (the shortest most direct circuit path..so adding a loop would break a code known as an “honorable” build..handwired by the same 3 ladies since 2010. Achieving the desired tones without IC’s or anything to change the shortest most direct circuit path from input to output. Plus the components are much larger in Handwired turret builds. Thy to get a Marshall with IC’s repaired vs Wangs “Simple Circuit” and your looking at huge repair cost value in Wangs... Hope that helps 🍻
@shane1034 3 жыл бұрын
Just out of curiosity is it possible to use the legendary tones hotmods with this amp like you can with the Marshall?
@ivanbrasla 3 жыл бұрын
Seems like a bad tradeoff, especially with a higher gain amp. Time-based effects won't sound as good without an effects loop to properly route them after the preamp.
@wangsamps 3 жыл бұрын
@@shane1034 Never tried but I don’t see why not
@wangsamps 3 жыл бұрын
@@ivanbrasla we have 15 models most have loops. These were designed on purpose to be an honorable build. (In a specific series of up coming amps called the HW series) But we have plenty other low-medium-high gain heads and combos all with loops available
@ivanbrasla 3 жыл бұрын
@@wangsamps Good to know, thanks!
@christianboddum8783 3 жыл бұрын
Wangs sounds great. A little more polite than the 800. The classic raw tone is the 800. I would be tempted to go for the Wangs. FWIW
@goobiecaro8135 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video comparison. I have an SC20H and a 4104 (2204) in a head shell. By far the difference can be felt and heard in the room. Basically the girth of the 50 watts (power transformer, etc.) The SC20's are modeled after the 2203's which had a slightly different preamp than the 2204's. This included more gain and quicker onset of break up along with where the midrange eq sat. In all: shades of greatness. The 50 watter is a great workhorse. I know now that the SC20 is a great smaller version of the 2203 full or half stack for users especially if have running through the same speaker types (ie: 8 G12M's for 100, 2 G12M's for 20) helps to keep the same percentage of speaker break up and response. Looking forward to your next video.
@gil_evans 2 жыл бұрын
Can you elaborate what the preamp differences between 2203 and 2204 are? I know of a difference between head and combo: the combo versions had a cap off the mid pot wiper to ground to make them sound closer to a closed back cabinet.
@goobiecaro8135 2 жыл бұрын
@@gil_evans harder to explain schematics, etc. Marshall put out a handbook circa 1987. Just to name a few: onset of distortion, middle eq frq different, sweep ranges in treble, input sensitivity, etc.
@jimmyjames7720 3 жыл бұрын
You are always doing the awesome guitar/amp nerd things I was always doing when I was younger, but you have way more gear. Keep it up!
@markn4526 3 жыл бұрын
The Wangs has a bit more "width" to the sound, but that's to be expected with more wattage, bigger transformers, etc. The Marshall holds its own nicely though with its 20w.
@stiffrichard2816 8 ай бұрын
It's so close, any differences can be mitigated with different tubes or pickups.
@howtoshootstraighthtss4948 3 жыл бұрын
I want a wangs just for the name, the good sound is just a bonus.
@louarthur7648 2 жыл бұрын
Superb comparison video. Concur on all your points, the 2204HW was as smidge brighter and "wider" to my ears. I felt that carried though in the overdrive segment but a little less noticeable/more nuanced. They both sound great and quite close to each other. I venture to guess that a double blind test would leave most folks (those who do not listen critically) unable to tell which was a JCM and which was not. If ii was to pick one on my ears alone, it'd be the 2204HW. But my preference is not on the metal style sound. If I was oriented towards metal, I suspect I'd pick the JCM.
@grimoirehexe3721 2 жыл бұрын
The wangs clean tone has more complexity I think. I think I'm sold on it
@Ari_Calamari 3 жыл бұрын
I’m actually surprised how close it is. I somehow prefer the Wangs. Sounds a bit more open. Both sound great tho. The Wangs is definitely worth the money. I’m not sure I’d buy it new tho, I would think the resale value would be way less than the Marshall.
@brandonbuell3519 2 жыл бұрын
No one sells their Wangs, though! No pun intended. I haven't seen many used for sale at all.
@zippy61 2 жыл бұрын
Both sound great but sorry Wang family I’m just not playing a amp that says Wangs glued to the front of it. I’m going to choose the historic Marshall name with all the legendary history behind it. So rock on Wangs you sound great too but ya might consider a new name. Just sayin…..WANGS
@jonv5489 2 жыл бұрын
Darker/bass always sounds better to my ears. Too much high end sounds horrible. A lot of times it’s due to hearing loss, but whatever..
@SheepWaveMeByeBye 2 жыл бұрын
@@zippy61 Nothing is more rock star than presenting your Wangs to the audience.
@TimMilliken 2 жыл бұрын
The Wang is more RAW and OPEN. Probably easier to get the tones of familiar songs with the Marshall but I’d save the money and put some work in to get a better sound with the Wang. Btw I bought the 1987HW last year on sale after watching your videos with the discount. Maybe the best deal ever on a new amp. Thanks
@EmiOst97 3 жыл бұрын
The marshall sounds 5% more fullness if that is the correct word, two perfects amplifiers!!
@SonicDriveStudio 3 жыл бұрын
I think what you're hearing might be the powertube compression. That happens pretty soon with this amp at this wattage.
@EmiOst97 3 жыл бұрын
@@SonicDriveStudio to me with a little eq 'problem' solved :D For the price wangs win
@rickleblanc8900 2 жыл бұрын
Ya, the Marshall sounds a bit more compressed and fuller overall. I preferred the Marshall but not by too much, the Wangs sounded a tad brighter but still excellent
@wes11bravo Жыл бұрын
There are so many old wives tales when it comes to tube amps, especially when you dive deep into components and manufacturing methods. Here's what I heard years ago about turret board/hand wired construction vs PC boards, which may or may not be complete bullshit: the board traces are very close together on a PC board and this conductor-insulator-conductor arrangement comprises a capacitor. Depending upon how the circuit is designed and laid out, this capacitance can act to roll off/attenuate desirable frequencies in the signal path. I'm sure this roll-off can be minimized with careful engineering, which doesn't always happen. So, aside from the obvious simplicity of a hand wired amp and the relative ease of maintenance and modification compared to an amp using a PC board, there can be tonal advantages to be had as well (apparently, haha).
@HugoPaulo 2 жыл бұрын
I like the low mids of the Marshall better. The Marshall also has more saturation even in low gain, so not as dynamic as the Wangs. The Wangs sounds more open and the high end sounds very alive and the amp itself is very articulate overall. But the Marshall has got that iconic low mid growl. It's all a matter of preference!
@Astrafigura Жыл бұрын
It’s placebo wangs sound 100% same
@aavavertu229 6 ай бұрын
@@Astrafigura Amps sound similar, but not totally the same. Marshall has more low mids and also seems to be gainier. However matching settings rarely work because of component tolerances.
@ChrisPartykaMusic 3 жыл бұрын
I have the Wangs mini 5. It’s a great small recording tube amp. You can even switch between Tube Rectifier or Diodes. I thought the Wangs here had a nice sound but maybe in many ways I liked the Marshall a bit better.
@BootleggerPhil 2 жыл бұрын
Great demo John. 2203 = 100w & 2204 = 50w. Anything with loaded PCB's generally require board swapping during repair, and anything handwired can be more readily fixed by a technician.
@natethompson1257 3 жыл бұрын
To me, the Marshall sounds more open and breathy, while the Wangs sounds tighter, chunkier and more "Modern". Both are good, but I'd personally take the Wangs, since I tend to play more modern stuff like Thrash Matal and Pop Punk.
@anxiousnation3820 3 жыл бұрын
I was in the market for a cheaper Marshall DSL but this thing is soooo close I may have to grab a Wangs.
@Stashmanfpv 3 жыл бұрын
I have one and it’s a killer amp on every level. $829 shipped to my front door and another $350 for the 1x12 cab. So worth it and the Wangs just kicks butt! 🔥🔥🔥 Best! ✌🏼
@Stashmanfpv 3 жыл бұрын
Man!!! I’m still luv’n it!!! ✌🏼
@ayeapprove 3 жыл бұрын
boutique and Biyang in one sentences is new to me, I remember when they made cheap guitar pedals.The amp sounded more scooped but easier to use in a mix compared to the Marshall.
@RiccardoPelli 3 жыл бұрын
Nice tones! It would be interesting a comparison between Wangs and JCM800 2204.
@wangsamps 3 жыл бұрын
Wangs sound more like a Friedman modified JCM than an original Marshall Santiago Alvarez himself (from Marshall) designed these amps and worked at Wangs custom shop for 5 yrs. although back at Marshall now. He uses the custom shop for his prototypes
@pumpkinheadghoul 2 жыл бұрын
I had a JCM800 50 Watt back in the day. I purchased it used for $50 and had it for years. I got desperate for money back in like 1995 and pawned it for like $100. I have been crying in my beer ever since. Oh to be young and dumb again.
@rocknut88 Жыл бұрын
I would be very curious how this amp would sound through a pushed celestion greenback speaker, the lower wattage speaker would have much easier breakup
@gergemall Жыл бұрын
Cool John.. I love Marsall amps but I'm cheap
@kushasaures Жыл бұрын
It’s the Marshall hands down all day for me
@SonicDriveStudio 3 жыл бұрын
So what do you guys think? Which one would you choose? Note: apologies for the noise on my vocal mic, they were doing a lot of work outside the house.... Cheers!
@endtimeguitarist 3 жыл бұрын
Marshall. I was really surprised. I like how bright and alive the tones were. They were very youthful and I would totally want to rip a solo with them!
@grayaj23 3 жыл бұрын
Well, as owner of a champ-style Wangs 5w combo I'm biased.
@wangsamps 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this enlightening video.. Explaining the importance Wangs 50w HW series are called “Simple Circuits” This mean Wangs use the shortest most direct circuit path from input to output. By adding a FX loop and IC’s this break a code known as “The Honorable build” becouse you’re achieving a desired sound without adding anything to the circuit path.. When you ad IC’s your adding integrated circuits (little dirt boxes, EQ, compression ect..) to the original circuit. This creates lots of repair issues and high cost) So Wangs #2204HW achieving the modern JCM800 sound without all the extra “stuff” is what’s makes them special.
@tomedwards6075 3 жыл бұрын
I have the Wangs 2204, love it. I have a DSL 5 that I modded with a Mercury Magnetics OT and choke that kills. The Wangs is LOUD, and kills through a 1960 cab. It's a bit on the bright side, but once dialed in, it is definitely in the JCM ballpark.
@user-lw9py 3 жыл бұрын
you test only with 10 o clock master. intresting is how it sound when you test with 3 o clock gain when the power amp distort too. in your tests i think they sound so sumilar that i buy the cheapest. because you use a reactive load you can get the power amp distortion with higher volumes very good
@tubo628 3 жыл бұрын
Way more clarity and string definition from the Wangs.
@NoelFernandes 3 жыл бұрын
it feels like the handwired have more headroom. The mids jumps out of the mix. The JCM sounds more compressed and scooped. I think these tone differeces comes from the selected tubes in both amps. I think there's no big voicing differences in selected EL34's, but, the 12ax7's at the preamp section makes a huge difference when you swap between aftermarket models. Does it make any sense?
@wangsamps 3 жыл бұрын
Wangs come loaded with EHX
@aquilarossa5191 2 жыл бұрын
What it probably is is the voltage drop on the Marshall that limits the power tubes to 20 watts. It is browning out the sound by over 50%. That means much less headroom, plus more compression and saturation etc. Even more so if you go to the lower power mode. A sacrifice you have to make to limit a pair of EL-34s to just 20 watt max, but if you are after lots of squish, it can be fun. The Wangs is running it's tube at full power it seems, i.e., 50 watts. It probably also has a bigger output transformer, which some folks say results in a bigger sound (I am still on the fence about that one).
@icenic_wolf 3 жыл бұрын
If you run them direct into a speaker cab, how well do the master volumes work for low-volume playing? I know not all Marshalls are created equal in this regard; there are some that definitely sound really thin, some get really fizzy (I hear the 2525 does this), and some still sound pretty good but are tough to get down to any lower than 95dB. Thanks!
@wangsamps 3 жыл бұрын
Wangs are specifically designed to hold tonal integrity at very low volume.. The use of bright caps allow the amp to stay bright at low volume and becomes warmer as you turn up the Pre amp and Master volume...When dimed the high end is rolled off quite a bit... Hope this helps Any questions pls feel free to ask
@jameslatham2655 3 жыл бұрын
The Wang has a bit more twang in it's sound compared to the jcm on the cleans. A little brighter sound in the Wang with the overdriven run but both sound amazing. So far I'd go with the jcm on clean and overdrive. Just barely though. Funny how we are hearing and saying the same thing but for opposite amps on the overdrive. Think I'd go with the Wang on the last run. Just barely.
@Superjet113 3 жыл бұрын
I think it has to do with the hand wiring.. You just cant beat it for tone, being reliable, and easy for techs to work on. Read this on the Wangs website: "Wangs sets itself apart by using a multinational component theory built to European preferred standards and giving each amp voicing Wangs famous low-mid frequency hump that magically pushes your tone upfront of any mix."
@florisbackx1744 3 жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure the difference in wattage and transformer is much more influential on the tone then it being handwired. But I agree with what you state about maintenance, handwired is much easier to fix for a tech. Considering the price of these two I would take the Wang anytime, handwired amp will last a lifetime and then some if you have it serviced once in a while.
@therifflair724 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. My redbear is hand wired P2P. I would throw it up against any other JCM type amp out there. With the 6l6’s, and slightly boosted, you’d be hard pressed to telm a difference in a blind comparison with offerings from Fortin/Friedman/etc. And not to forget that the cleans are straight out of a Bassman.
@Millo1868 2 жыл бұрын
The Wangs is 50w, correct? I suspect we might be hearing the difference between 20 vs 50 and size of transformers, AS YOU MENTIONED.
@larslevinberget9558 2 жыл бұрын
How about a hi-gain distortion on a clean amp setting? That's very much how we used them back in the day, as no venues could take the high volume levels from a 2204 half stack, and turned the guitars to zero in the PA. All we could hear was the drums...because PA-guys are drummers who never got the gig.
@KB_Joys 3 жыл бұрын
Marshall hands down. Warmer, more body. Why is everyone saying the Marshall sounds compressed, I'm hearing the opposite. The Wangs probably has higher plate voltage. Also I think the Wangs has orange drop caps. I bet it would sound a lot better with. Mustard caps. Anyways that's my. Opinion. The clean tones. After hearing the overdrive and boosted the Wangs holds its own.
@Stashmanfpv 3 жыл бұрын
You do realize you’re comparing a 50 watt amp to a 20 watt amp, in regards to plate voltage…??? ✌🏼
@KB_Joys 3 жыл бұрын
@@Stashmanfpv of coarse. That's also why I had the thought about the orange drops making things worse.
@nostomahawk9113 3 жыл бұрын
I prefer the Marshall, slightly beefier
@rickleblanc8900 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe with some eq adjustments, the Wangs would sound closer. Gotta admit i am a Marshall fanatic, though lol
@KhalilB310 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Jon, I have a question and I hope you can solve my doubt, Is there a difference in sound of use a Mark V 35 vs 90 watts with a reactive load using IR (I love the OH IRs by the way)? Or the same with ENGL Savage 120 vs 60. Thank you so much, great youtube channel.
@SonicDriveStudio 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think there is a big difference as long as you don't push the power-amp too hard
@KhalilB310 3 жыл бұрын
@@SonicDriveStudio
@xthexadvantagex 2 жыл бұрын
I’m very surprised how similar they are. I think the biggest difference is the headroom and transformers like you said. While I prefer the Wangs I can hear something that Marshall does that is just very Marshall. Almost that jcm 900 mushiness (in a good way)
@Tamajyn69 Жыл бұрын
I hear it too. I hate using the term mojo but even these little Marshalls just seem to have it
@aspharts 3 жыл бұрын
Tonal difference is very reminiscent to me. It is like between 5150 and 6505MH or Dual Rectifier and Mini Rectifier
@Tamajyn69 Жыл бұрын
I dunno the notes seem to bloom a bit nicer and are less chimey to my ears on the marshall. They're both the same price in Australia so a tough choice. I already own an Egnater Armageddon for metal and it does good rock tones but want something a bit more vintage voiced, leaning towards the Wangs tho as I do like an underdog and less dime a dozen amps
@dyonight 3 жыл бұрын
there's a low mid bump in the Marshall that I would certainly eq out in a mix. The Wangs sounds perfect in your demo, definitely my favorite!
@KenHorror 2 жыл бұрын
What is the db difference between the two? Tempted to buy the marshall cuz it got only 20 watts. I have a orginal 2204 that is a 50 watter. Just to loud!
@raymondjamesrivera 2 жыл бұрын
I'm curious about the Marshall with the master volume on 7, let hear some power tube overdrive. I still love the Marshall but the Wangs did sound good and if someone doesn't mind having an amp that is not Marshall then it could be a good choice.
@harmonicseries6582 3 жыл бұрын
Sound very similar but still, the resale value would be much better for the marshall.
@michaelmitchell5909 2 жыл бұрын
Wangs all the way...
@jaycee30865 3 жыл бұрын
The original 800s should have been Wangs sized. Could have been too.
@gustavocabral3101 2 жыл бұрын
They are soooo close, but wangs seems to sound better...
@deepghetto8968 3 жыл бұрын
Marshall has a chunkier, open sound. Wangs tighter and brighter.
@axrip1 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a Wangs 1987 vs the SV20H? Plexi battle
@SonicDriveStudio 3 жыл бұрын
Would love to!
@randr10 2 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised to say that I can barely tell the difference on the clean tone and the distortion sound is actually a little bit better on the Wangs.
@randr10 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly couldn't tell the difference on the two with the stomp pedal in front of them. Maybe it sounds different in the room though. I think ultimately if I was going to get one, I'd probably still buy the Marshall. The Wangs amp isn't exactly cheap, and since you're going to be dropping some serious coin either way, that little bit of extra money I think is well spent getting the real deal.
@TheJeffcurran 3 жыл бұрын
Damn, that was interesting. I have a Wangs 2204HW, so I'm probably biased. On the clean sounds the Wangs had a bit more "air". On the dirty sounds the Wangs had a bit more "air". Other than that, the "average" person, i.e., audience member, would be hard pressed to tell the difference. In all fairness, my 2204HW needs a re-tube. It hasn't been used much and the tubes are already garbage. So anybody looking for a bargain with the 2204HW should add the cost of a re-tube to the equation. It's inevitable. In a live band setting the differences would be imperceptible.
@GaryDGuitar 2 жыл бұрын
I choose the DSL20hr
@thomasbarnable9064 Жыл бұрын
They sound nearly identical .
@gimmickmusic8827 3 жыл бұрын
Both amps sound awesome, and the fact that the Wangs is close to half the price of the Marshall is just crazy. I think that, if money is not a factor, then I like the Marshall a little bit more, it just has that spank in the right place and the Wangs doesn’t seem to have it quite right, and the lack of an effects loop just makes it a hard sell for me.
@blendzofficial7814 3 жыл бұрын
How did you get all this!?!?
@reneotten7376 2 жыл бұрын
Can you do a similar video about the Wangs plexi vs the Marshall SV20H?
@SonicDriveStudio 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to
@wangsamps 2 жыл бұрын
Soon. 💪🤪👍
@reneotten7376 2 жыл бұрын
@@wangsamps ok great!!!
@philipdonovan6510 2 жыл бұрын
Both very nice, I find the Marshall has a notably more polite, smooth refined tone that I find pleasing, less aggressive and ragged than the Wang. But, I would be happy if my current JCM800 2204 build sounding like either of them! Thank you , good video
@in2itionalex 2 жыл бұрын
Great Metal Riff...
@justingreen8006 Жыл бұрын
Those amps are identical. Any almost imperceptible difference is from slight difference in tolerances and possibly bias setting. It's as if you are comparing two Marshall of same model and different histories.
@MichaelDespairs 2 жыл бұрын
Comparing a real 80's JCM800 2203 also would have made a perfect test.
@MichaelDespairs 2 жыл бұрын
I like the frequency response or the Wangs better but it's too strident. I think they got the amount of negative feedback or the frequencies of the negative feedback wrong in the Wangs.
@astro2069 2 жыл бұрын
What brand transformers are used in the Wangs?
@wangsamps 2 жыл бұрын
Wangs own proprietary designs.
@Screaming-Trees Жыл бұрын
Having watched this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aLt1as9y0rqngXU.html I've decided to hold off on the new Marshall stuff. What bugs me is all the cheaping out on components. Just makes the whole thing seem like a price gouging exercise. I.e. they make the amp for $500 and sell it for 2 grand. Bit of a piss take. Wangs sounds phenomenal and you can get it for $800. Hand wired too with, from my limited understanding, premium components. So I'll buy the Wangs. Thanks for the video. Much appreciated.
@averyadrian1534 9 ай бұрын
So similar
@cutchopweld5717 2 жыл бұрын
Amp sounds great but why build an amp that isn't foot switchable?
@progrob27 3 жыл бұрын
I dig the more pushed power section so Marhsall wins, but the Wang gets extra points for a great name as well as killer sound. I find my Marshall (modded JVM) loses a lot of top end when I run it into IRs any idea why? I don't think it's the input signal as if I send the line level output into a poweramp and speaker it's still all there.
@acexxxoasis 3 жыл бұрын
Probably because most IR are based off a mic sound and the mic will have roll offs and peaks most notable in the high frequency not to mention if there's any post on the IR, they will often times throw a further lpf and hpf to bring it more into the frequency range the guitar generally sits in.
@averyadrian1534 9 ай бұрын
Wangs is more dynamic- Open
@berni_iq5164 2 жыл бұрын
Are schematics the same
@MattGraunke 2 жыл бұрын
I'd go with the Wangs rig. Sounds more 'airy and open' than the Marshall.
@Tanax13 2 жыл бұрын
Great demo as always! Seeing as the price of the SC20H is basically exactly the same as the Wangs 2204HW, I'm not sure which one I would pick. Probably leaning towards the Marshall. If price is the same, might as well go for the real deal :) What would you pick, Jon?
@Dirge4july 3 жыл бұрын
That discount code doesn’t work btw.
@SonicDriveStudio 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for letting me know, I contacted Wangs and they said it has been rectified now.
@wangsamps 3 жыл бұрын
It works now SDS So sorry we had it SMS by mistake🥴🤷♂️
@bvanfossen01 Жыл бұрын
Marshall. If the Wangs was half price then it- but it's only a few hundred bucks difference.
@MRxr400 3 жыл бұрын
the wangs sounded to have the edge on headroom, bigger power section. balanced, open and broad tone. marshall had a hump in the low mids, not so open and broad tone, lacking the highs of the wangs. but the marshall sat nicely in the mix, the wangs was more in your face, modern and dynamic.
@MickH60 2 жыл бұрын
I used to play with my Wang but I started to go blind !
@jkf9167 2 жыл бұрын
The Marshall has more presence, but the Wangs also sounds great. The Marshall has that specific lower mid sound. If you want it to sound like a Marshall and you have the $$ , definitely get the Marshall. If you want a great sounding tube amp, the Wangs is one. Ordinarily when you're playing an amp, you're not a/b-ing it with another amp anyway.
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