to infinity and ...beyond?

bullshit. check Kolmogorov complexity

Or the other way around: reduction is an approximation that works well, but fundamentally nothing is reducible

Sounds like "turtles all the way down" to me?

Good riddance

Yes he can. Pain is a vivid belief which evolution manifested because it's so useful for making us care deeply about damage. i.e. It's an illusion but not in the sense of it being a _delusion_ but in the sense of it being a _misconstrual._ i.e. Not what it _seems_ to be.

+SeanMauer I see how they're possible components of the universe, but why necessary?

When you have a scientific theory which you use to make some assertions about objective reality you can always test it and see if it matches your subjective perception.

It's racist and sexist

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Then you're making a very arrogant claim: That no human mind exists that can comprehend facts and concepts.

I agree. I think Marvin Minsky was very stubborn. Although he was a great computer scientist, he was extremely incompetent when it came down to these issues.

Color is perception. Perception is based on the wiring of the brain learned through experience which is different for everyone because everyone has different experiences and genetics etc. It is only interacting with a group you will understand what people mean by "green" as their incoming perception is green when green photons hit their eye, however, their wiring may be very different. Your comment then is like comparing apples and oranges as being the same fruit. You can also think of it as like two computer programs doing the exact same thing as you perceive it but both were written in different programming languages and have different algorithms. It then does not follow to compare them line by line as that would be pointless. When I think I'm smarter than a genius, I stop myself and think maybe I don't understand the problem well enough. This has helped me not look like a jack ass.

You may be mistaken. Whether we "experience" color differently is irrelevant to human endevors as longs as we process the information in a way that produces identical responses. Proof doesn't matter. Explaining how we "experience" color doesn't matter - what matters is consensus. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_(computer_science) As long as there is consensus that we need to stop at the traffic light with wavelength of 680 nanometers, whether you experience red like I experience vanilla ice cream is immaterial. This is covered in distributed systems theory. The goal of the system is consensus for the purpose of avoiding Byzantine failure modes in the distributed system that is society. Have a look at the Black Box concept of en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box There is an infinite set of unique black boxes which produce the same output for the same given input. That is to say - they are indistinguishable form the "outside" even though none of them are identical on the inside. Color is just information measured by your eyes and interpreted by your brain.

I am no expert but try to understand and up to this point I only see that seeing ourselves as biological machines with computer brains is a perfect view but consciousness is not required for it. At best it's a emergent, powerless side effect. I thought for a while the placebo effect proved "the passenger in the backseat" indeed had an influence: sugar pills not only raising your blood sugar but also exerting other physical changes But now I read that these changes are mostly immaterial (like feeling less pain) or if not so caused by conditioning. The universe and so we too always evolve deterministic and so there is no free will. Our brains have already made a choice split seconds before we are aware of it. So defending dualism makes you seem like a fool. Yet in our daily lives and or justice system nothing changes. We keep the view that we are all free and responsible. ( Your honor, I really don't know why this brain is done all these horrible things but please, don't punish it because it is I, the innocent answering machine that will suffer then)

@@jasonsebring3983 explain then, why my city wires that transmit so much interconnected pulses of electricity, don't have a consciousness then.

We should all aspire to be as good as dogs. Worms, meh.