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Marx and Engels, The Communist Manifesto

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Philosophy professor and co-host of Overthink podcast Ellie Anderson explains key ideas from Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels' Communist Manifesto, a text that is often oversimplified and misunderstood!
This video was created for Professor Anderson's Spring 2021 "Continental Thought" course at Pomona College.
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@drbeavis4211
@drbeavis4211 2 жыл бұрын
Criminally underviewed YT channel. Good stuff. Thank you
@qunituabastard1754
@qunituabastard1754 11 ай бұрын
youtube doesn't value educational content, it's a hook place for many incels and reactionaries alike
@juandager5220
@juandager5220 9 ай бұрын
Do you think the average person cares about videos on philosophy? Or would you like to watch "philosophy for the masses"?
@DrDolan
@DrDolan 2 ай бұрын
you're welcome!!!!!!❤❤❤❤ 😘
@minhajswati3901
@minhajswati3901 Жыл бұрын
I have heard Communist Manifesto explained by many people, I would say this was the most simplified version of it. Thank you, Ellie!
@divyagracebenjamin479
@divyagracebenjamin479 5 ай бұрын
I almost had a mental breakdown because I have an assignment on this and couldn't understand how or where to start. This video made the concept so easy to grasp! Thank you!
@samuelrosander1048
@samuelrosander1048 Жыл бұрын
It's worth reading the document for yourself...with the intent to understand it, rather than the "I read it in 20 minutes and it's all garbage" nonsense that more than a few people push (at least one in this video's comments section. ~29 pages in 20 minutes says that the moron that claimed it was lying, and their other arguments likewise proved them to be dishonest parrots of propaganda). The summary in this video covers merely one facet of the manifesto. There's a lot more going on that requires time to digest and understand. A lot of people commenting here obviously haven't even tried. One thing of note that people regularly overlook, including in this video, is what is meant by "the State." For bourgeois society, the meaning is clear; we know it because we see it every day as the system of government that rules over us. For proletarian society, it's different: "We have seen above, that the first step in the revolution by the working class is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class to win the battle of democracy. The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible." If you replace "the State" with what Marx elaborated, you get something that provides a wholly different meaning than is presented (and assumed): "the State" is no longer some top-down organization of power, but is instead "the proletariat organized as the ruling class" in a bottom-up organization of power, so that the proletariat, by virtue of their number and position as the ruling class, can "win the battle of democracy" by democratically achieving the goals that the proletariat itself forms...which tend towards providing some amount of social welfare, democratization of workplaces, etc. Understanding that "the State" means something different in the socialist/communist sense than it does in the "normal" (bourgeois) sense is important to understanding why "socialism never works" and "the state in socialism never withers away like they promise it will" are ignorant statements. For socialism to work, the proletariat, not a political party, must both overthrow the bourgeois state AND replace it with bottom-up democracy. In fact, the ONLY way that the state can "wither away" is for the proletariat to collectively take on its bureaucratic, legislative, executive, and judicial functions through their workplace/community democratic apparatus, as well as through their voluntary and active participation in both the democratic process (discussion being the first and probably most important part, followed closely by both suggesting and then voting on decisions) AND the process of carrying out the decisions made, including how people will be held accountable to rule breaking, how work will get done (and by whom), etc. It can't be under-stressed: ALL of those things are not decided by some centralized "State" controlled by some party elite, but rather through community and workplace democracy that happens at the lowest levels possible; the distribution of goods and services, as well as labor, is likewise decided through that direct democracy. Not through "endless meetings where all of the minutia are debated until everyone dies of hunger from no work getting done," as the caricature insists, but through social interactions in every-day life, through social responsibility (which must be taught at home and reinforced in society), through social accountability (not to some police State, but to the people you call "neighbor," both on the streets and around the world), and when things need to be worked out above that most basic level, in gatherings of the people whose input is necessary, and who might be affected by the decision in a meaningful way (like people living down-stream of an industrial facility that might create pollution). For the state to be capable of "withering away," as Marx/Engels famously say, that is what the State must be. For that form of State to exist, the proletariat must be the ruling class in a democracy. If the proletariat is placed below a political party, especially one that it does not directly control, then the proletariat is not the ruling party (the masses of the Russian people did not control the party, but were instead largely controlled by it. "Why" is a matter for another discussion, but despite it having a strong proletarian presence fighting for proletarian interests, as well as some bottom-up democratic efficacy, it was still a top-down system controlled by a party elite, rather than a bottom-up democracy. That alone should make any thinking individual question exactly why it should be called a "socialist" country, especially after Lenin explicitly said that it wasn't because of those and other reasons). I realize this is a long post on a simple technicality, but to understand what is meant and what the implications are, you have to spend some time making the connections and such. You can't just read it in 20 minutes and claim to know anything, as some do, nor can you read only this work to gain a reasonable understanding of Marx/Marxism. Be deliberate in reading for the purpose of understanding; don't merely interpret things according to your own views. That's the only way to honestly learn, and to honesty criticize.
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy Жыл бұрын
Agreed re: taking time to read rather than jumping to conclusions! These videos were originally created as preparation for intensive class discussion (where students came to class having thoroughly done the reading and written on it), and aren't meant to be taken as replacements for the challenging work of grappling with material for oneself. Thanks for your thoughtful comment
@samuelrosander1048
@samuelrosander1048 Жыл бұрын
@@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy Thanks for the response, and for the video. It's great that you're providing this for that purpose, since it can be a challenge to understand anything by Marx. This video covered some things that aren't readily apparent in the document, and which I hadn't considered in any of my readings.
@samuelrosander1048
@samuelrosander1048 Жыл бұрын
​@@Cuyt24 I mean, sure, if your brain works the way that your argument flows, then anything can be called delusional. Until/unless you actually engage intellectually (and in good faith) with the ideas, and listen to the arguments actually being made, it's not really worth responding except to call you out as a POS troll. Seriously, going to the comments section to a video discussing something that you obviously have no real understanding of or interest in learning about, and then posting complete garbage as an argument proving that the other person is the delusional one, is something that only trolls and brainwashed morons would do...though I don't doubt you fit into both categories.
@julio1148
@julio1148 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate the long comment!
@dkblack1289
@dkblack1289 5 ай бұрын
Since the bourgeoisie are not intellectually alert but depend on animal insticts, ideology provides them with the justification to visit violence, the insurance of their power, onto the proletariat for resisting. A system that depends on violence for existence must necessarily come to an end. We are at a turning point just now for capitalism in which power is shifting to the proletariat. And as it does, like Ellie points out, it will look like the old capitalism before dispersing in order to create goods and services to meet needs instead of accumulation. I am looking for a polite word besides shill for Samuel's assertion but I can't. The fact that Ellie in a very short clip, introduces Marx and Engels in a way that ordinary people, who have a desire for critiacal thinking can understand, should be lauded by everyone. Ellie is not urging anyone to be a Marxist, but she is not throwing mud at Marx and Engels either. I guess by retaining a neutral academic approach, to the ruling class and their shills, she has already crossed the boundary. Finally, Ellie is going to be one of the greatest thinkers in our time. She reminds me of Herbert Mercuse.
@viyye
@viyye Жыл бұрын
It would be great if you done a full lecture series.
@fjmacuer
@fjmacuer 2 жыл бұрын
Ellie, thank you so much for this channel. is noticeable all the work behind every chapter. would you consider interviewing other philosophers and thinkers in order to withdraw bigger conclusions from the discussions. sort of old days philosophy schools. cheers and thank you again this is fantastic. keep those videos rolling.
@foysalshariar6925
@foysalshariar6925 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! I am finally starting to explore Marx, this helped.
@carcrash1875
@carcrash1875 Жыл бұрын
How deep. You need a time machine.
@MustadMarine
@MustadMarine 4 ай бұрын
You might as well explore a cesspool
@TrashyNO.2
@TrashyNO.2 2 жыл бұрын
Oh man, this is the first video I have seen and it's great. I was looking for an audiobook version of the manifesto to get a better understanding to use my words better, but these will be good 🤘
@myproxybloviator8467
@myproxybloviator8467 Жыл бұрын
Alluring and compelling This makes for a very positive presentation, and very helpful for a former philosophy major still struggling to 'get it all' Thank you
@stormyweather9917
@stormyweather9917 7 күн бұрын
How do you spend your days?
@philosophygeek551
@philosophygeek551 Жыл бұрын
I have long had an interest in philosophy. Thank you so much this wonderfully informative channel and your insightful talks.
@3g0d34th
@3g0d34th 9 ай бұрын
wow thank you Dr. Ellie! this helps me see why i feel uncomfortable and confused at any jobs: converting my abilities to monetary value simply doesn't make sense to me. i feel much relieved just knowing that about myself
@marekr.9339
@marekr.9339 Жыл бұрын
Like watching these lectures, few people are able to explain sophisticated things in such convinient way.
@johnsimmons6637
@johnsimmons6637 Жыл бұрын
I think Marx mistake in the simplist form would be to say that he assumed that people will behave in rational ways given these truths. We are simply not rational in mass as today's social and political events are demonstrating. ...thank you for this wonderful program. One of the most impressive
@RaLeTiNo
@RaLeTiNo Жыл бұрын
He didn't think that people are always rational, it's such a lazy dismissal of his doctrine. Marx thought that communist party would gather around it itself the most politically advanced sections of the working population which would guide the others. This party can fail if the leadership isn't politically advanced enough. The failure of a communist party to lead proletariat is not a failure of Marx because communist party acts independently of him.
@thepants1450
@thepants1450 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, you don't understand Marx. What's happening today has only proven his works correct.
@glennkoslowsky4631
@glennkoslowsky4631 Жыл бұрын
The behavior of people within the context of the "State" regardless which is in control the "Bourgeois" or the " Proletariat" never attain their desired goals due to Corruption and Tyranny of its individual members. Each Class resorts to corruption to preserve its power over the other. Machiavelli principles undermine the stated "Desired Philosophical Outcomes" in practice.
@thepants1450
@thepants1450 Жыл бұрын
@@glennkoslowsky4631 nah
@frostymarbles2655
@frostymarbles2655 9 ай бұрын
You are mistaking Marx simplifying capitalism's mechanism (explaining it in the most uncorruptable settings) and that it has unresolved tensions to Marx dismissing human lapses of judgement. He didn't. Read The German Ideology. But anyway that's not what the manifesto is about. It's not a good criticism against Marx.
@ucheosujia.u8092
@ucheosujia.u8092 Жыл бұрын
i must say you this really breaks down the manifesto in simple form. thank you
@hatsumomo5067
@hatsumomo5067 2 жыл бұрын
What a channel!! I'm loving your videos, professor!
@BartAnderson_writer
@BartAnderson_writer 2 ай бұрын
A presentation of the Manifesto that is relatively fair. There's much more of course, that one needs to be truly informed, but this is a good start.
@Joy3269
@Joy3269 11 ай бұрын
Brilliant Video. I really Love the way you explain things. This was one of the Best Videos. I have ever Heard. Thank You So Much. ❤❤❤👍👍👍.
@TheReyesTube
@TheReyesTube 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, this content is very awesome 💜
@Remarkablepepper37
@Remarkablepepper37 2 ай бұрын
please please please do more of this, I am ready to religiously take notes of ur explanations, buy materials and read things over and over again! :////
@erichaynes5826
@erichaynes5826 10 ай бұрын
I would agree that “The Communist Manifesto” has helped to reveal the truth of human nature.
@mooseymoose
@mooseymoose Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video and subbed, but then made the mistake of reading the comments and now have dislocated eyeballs due to the eye rolling.
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy Жыл бұрын
FR
@oats9755
@oats9755 Жыл бұрын
3:20 Note: Marx and Engels in fact anticipated what Lenin would later call as imperialism, in demystifying the “free market”
@mattiapiazzolla1954
@mattiapiazzolla1954 2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much, these videos are SUPER HELPFUL
@fredwelf8650
@fredwelf8650 Жыл бұрын
The CM states that the "workers have no fatherland." What does this mean and is it true. One aspect to consider is that migrant labor from the East seasonly entered "Germany" (a somewhat undefined large region before 1870); most workers were farmers, peasants. So, Marx rewrote the sentence, "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.," to address the "written history." But, everyone was becoming aware that the interference with kin-based society, the beginnings of social inequality, and the origin of the state were problems that had now to be approached by reference to archaeological data. Kinship structures however were not erased by capitalism as they served as the basis of marriage, long a religious value even if resented. This resentment became palpable in 1918 when the new government in Russia permitted divorce and men left their families in droves. Ironically, many families of the "motherland" lost their fathers but this was nothing new to the war-torn Europeans!
@GS-gq5is
@GS-gq5is 3 ай бұрын
Clear, direct and so well presented.
@leo09703
@leo09703 Ай бұрын
Great explanation I am from kashmir I love the way you teach
@DanWilan
@DanWilan 2 жыл бұрын
1:00 i like the bottom up approach.. no but seriously this is serious stuff
@hulkhogan8190
@hulkhogan8190 Жыл бұрын
How would you explain the cultural facets people have like languages, castes, dresses, traditional continuities which are apart from the notion' base' determines everything.
@91722854
@91722854 Жыл бұрын
I envy those who don't have adhd and able to stay focused and read a lot and become one of the smart clever bunch of humans
@DenkyManner
@DenkyManner Жыл бұрын
There is medication for ADHD which apparently works. That's if you really have it and aren't just distracted by your phone or whatever. In that case, you need to be strict with yourself and when you commit to reading something, or engaging with anything intellectual like this video, put distractions physically out of reach. I can concentrate great as long as my phone is too far away to grab it. I know I can't be trusted with it near me, so it's not near me.
@hongluzhang7771
@hongluzhang7771 Жыл бұрын
one of the most important concepts when reading Marx and Engels I would recommend to grasp is the "reproduction" of means&materials of production. after understanding why you are living only as a tool rather than a human from the perspective of reproduction values, you then can easily read through the arguments on "class" centered theories.
@pnjodaro
@pnjodaro 8 ай бұрын
Really loved this Dr. Anderson! Thanks!
@yasserwaleedyasserwaleed5578
@yasserwaleedyasserwaleed5578 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks my teacher
@riverbankfrank4896
@riverbankfrank4896 Жыл бұрын
Love this channel. A little audio tip here though from a nerd: try and take care of that sibilance. The “S” sounds are a little harsh. We cant have a revolution with sibilance.
@carcrash1875
@carcrash1875 Жыл бұрын
I believe I'm listening a lecture of socialism, back in my 80's high school, in the Socialist Republic of Romania.
@negritoojosclaros
@negritoojosclaros Жыл бұрын
Finally is something in booktube that is not Shadowhunters
@junkettarp8942
@junkettarp8942 15 күн бұрын
Very good.
@gavinyoung-philosophy
@gavinyoung-philosophy 11 ай бұрын
Love the detailed analysis mixed with a perfect speaking tempo!
@WagesOfDestruction
@WagesOfDestruction Жыл бұрын
Their views are much more complex than this. For example, they see the lumpenproletariat, a criminal class, e.g. criminals, vagabonds, etc., as a group of people with no stake in the economic system. Also, they see the tension between the existing ruling classes and capitalists.
@berniv7375
@berniv7375 Жыл бұрын
Are not the capitalists the real criminal class? The capitalists are exploiting the people. They are destroying the planet. They are even destroying our essence, our spirit. Marx and Engels never imagined that the greed of capitalism would have such a fast and devastating effect on us and on our planet. Our species is degenerating into demonic gluttons and our planet is being destroyed. Communism is not dynamic enough to change the course of this destructive trajectory. Neither is Christianity. Or Islam. Most other belief systems lack the essential dynamic to bring about fundamental change. There is one that can possibly bring about fundamental change and that is veganism. By changing the food we eat we will change how we think and act. We will view the world in an entirely different way. We will free ourselves from the shackles of primitive barbarity. This is our only hope. It is real and it is possible. Thank you for the video. Subscribed.🌱
@WagesOfDestruction
@WagesOfDestruction Жыл бұрын
@@berniv7375 To you but not in Marxist thinking. The lumpenproletariat are exactly what I stated " the criminal class, e.g. criminals, vagabonds, etc., a group of people with no stake in the economic system. " If you are interested in veganism, then clearly no Abrahamic religion is for you too.
@albertsonntag754
@albertsonntag754 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@TheSeafordian
@TheSeafordian Жыл бұрын
Marx and Engels wrote a lot of this manifesto near where I live in Eastbourne. There used to be a blue plaque on the building but somebody stole it.
@pallabidutta968
@pallabidutta968 Жыл бұрын
A "bourgeois political rule" in the present time is possibly where the citizens are treated as mere consumers. And where there is "socialisation of losses and privatisation of profits".
@alexmechnik2465
@alexmechnik2465 Жыл бұрын
I like this video very much. Indeed, communism is about human and their being, not about centralisation or collectivism.
@joseluizcarvalhosilva8055
@joseluizcarvalhosilva8055 Жыл бұрын
no, it's not. humanism is for hegelians or existentialists.
@jenalper1735
@jenalper1735 Жыл бұрын
Awesome presentation!! You go girl!
@hyacinthlynch843
@hyacinthlynch843 11 ай бұрын
Most people who read the "Communist Manifesto" probably have no idea that it was written by a couple of young men who had never worked a day in their lives, and who nevertheless spoke boldly in the name of "the workers."
@truthprevails8836
@truthprevails8836 10 ай бұрын
U must be a jordan pwterson fan. Even if they had not worked a day in life which doesn't make sense as they wrote a book, it still doesn't invalidate what they said. I would suggest to stop being an autistic re7ard and try to learn.
@hyacinthlynch843
@hyacinthlynch843 10 ай бұрын
@@truthprevails8836 It's proven time and time again, Marxism/socialism/communism doesn't work.
@fate91583
@fate91583 8 ай бұрын
You used the caps in the wrong letters.
@Zzywywyw
@Zzywywyw 4 ай бұрын
How do you define work? Karl Marx was a prolific writer and one of the greatest thinkers of modern times. He produced many important books and essays that would have easily earned him a tenured professorship at any prestigious university. If you argue that he never "worked," are you also implying that scholarly work doesn't count as work? Why would that be the case? PLUS, It's illogical to assume that a person needs hands-on experience as a plumber to understand how plumbing systems function. An urban architect doesn't need to know how to lay bricks to design great cities. Your counterargument doesn't stand on its merits, and that's disappointing.
@dees9478
@dees9478 3 ай бұрын
@@hyacinthlynch843 no, it has never been attempted. It was intended for a developed country, not some backwards nation looking to pull ahead by a few hundred years in the span of 5 or 10 (and on that level, what happened in the Soviet Union is pretty remarkable). But no, it has never really been attempted, mostly because developed countries still contain enough ignoramuses who own property (mostly on the backs of the poor) and who are afraid of change so they cling to a dying system with all the ignorance they can muster. Sound familiar?
@NegativSpace-pd6cz
@NegativSpace-pd6cz 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, thanks
@lolonyou6169
@lolonyou6169 Жыл бұрын
that was actually good i was preparing for my sociology exam and that came in handy
@robertwilsoniii2048
@robertwilsoniii2048 Жыл бұрын
This sounds like Rousseau's Discourse on Inequality.
@edcify8241
@edcify8241 Жыл бұрын
Rousseau was quite cooking.
@joeshmoe7899
@joeshmoe7899 11 ай бұрын
"Rousseau fathered five children with Thérèse Levasseur, his domestic partner, but left them all to a Paris orphanage."
@fredwelf8650
@fredwelf8650 Жыл бұрын
One historical point which should be understood concerning the result of the Communist Manifesto, namely the Communist Revolution in Russia in 1917 and the execution of the Romanov family, the last monarchs of Russia, is that previously in the 19th century, two other Russian monarchs had been assassinated! So, the notion that Russia was not "ready" for a communist revolution is defied by the historical context.
@danmcconnell5941
@danmcconnell5941 Жыл бұрын
I've always thought it was because of this critique of ideologies that we need to fully embrace direct realism in perceptual theory, ala J.J. Gibson, and along with it, the concepts of radical embodied cognition that rejects classic representationalist view of cognition.
@KayiWuzurg
@KayiWuzurg 10 ай бұрын
direct realism is a ridiculous notion
@tinfoilhatscholar
@tinfoilhatscholar 11 ай бұрын
It seems to me that Marx and Engels we're reductionist, mechanistic thinkers, and I do not believe the work has much value or relevance to modern real world scenarios. But hey, I do love the Socratic method and am just fine with being wrong
@SteveScottRootsMusic
@SteveScottRootsMusic Жыл бұрын
Well done!
@mitrikoudsi8060
@mitrikoudsi8060 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful lecture! Thanks so much 🙏
@benjaminblanco4531
@benjaminblanco4531 13 күн бұрын
I am very sorry to inform you, but, in case you have not already figured it out, the class of labour you refer to has already begun to be replaced with robotics and AI, not to mention the mass influx of lower-class labour into most of the Western world. The World Economic From (WEF) has so eloquently said we will own nothing and be happy, was not a predictor of communism but more totalism.
@josephshumake5989
@josephshumake5989 2 жыл бұрын
In a way Marx and Engels trust that the material conditions will create a state in which the proletariat, by way of the nature of spirit(as Marx inverted from Hegel's theory of spirit), will come to conscious awareness of their plight. Through this consciousness they will see within the system of capitalism the very conditions society must undo... The new conditions would be something like socialism and eventually communism. There is a lot of trust placed in the rationality of beings and a sort of natural movement toward a kind of harmony. Let me know if I'm missing the mark?
@al1693
@al1693 2 жыл бұрын
yes , basically he was on drugs.
@stuartwray6175
@stuartwray6175 2 жыл бұрын
Google: is Marx deterministic?; or, Marx and determinism
@samuelrosander1048
@samuelrosander1048 Жыл бұрын
You are missing the mark. Marx never assumed that "nature of spirit" would create a consciousness in the proletariat, at least not that he wrote about to my knowledge. Engels goes through it a bit in "Socialism: Utopian and Scientific," where he elaborates on quotes from Capital (quotations from Capital marked with "()" preceding the quote. Engels's words are marked by [], though you can certainly look up the document to read it in full for yourself. It's not an over-long read): () "the most powerful instrument for shortening labor time, becomes the most unfailing means for placing every moment of the laborer's time and that of his family at the disposal of the capitalist for the purpose of expanding the value of his capital." (Capital, English edition, p. 406) [] Thus it comes about that the overwork of some becomes the preliminary condition for the idleness of others, and that modern industry, which hunts after new consumers over the whole world, forces the consumption of the masses at home down to a starvation minimum, and in doing thus destroys its own home market. () "The law that always equilibrates the relative surplus- population, or industrial reserve army, to the extent and energy of accumulation, this law rivets the laborer to capital more firmly than the wedges of Vulcan did Prometheus to the rock. It establishes an accumulation of misery, corresponding with the accumulation of capital. Accumulation of wealth at one pole is, therefore, at the same time accumulation of misery, agony of toil, slavery, ignorance, brutality, mental degradation, at the opposite pole, i.e., on the side of the class that produces its own product in the form of capital (Marx's Capital, p. 661) ------- In short, the proletariat doesn't merely become aware by some "nature of spirit," but instead by recognizing the desperation in with which they struggle merely to survive, the desperation of others, etc; those conditions have always led to uprisings and revolutions, but without analysis to find out what exactly about the system needed to be changed, such revolutions were never guaranteed to come to the same conclusions as Marx et al provided. Analysis and education of the proletariat were/are necessary to overcoming capitalism and the historic conditions which preceded it, because the socialism/communism that Marx advocated for was not merely a benevolent social welfare state, but bottom-up democracy requiring everyone to take active participation in all aspects of governance. You won't find explicit blueprints or descriptions of what was to come by Marx, though, because as material conditions changed, so, too, would the path forward (which must be analyzed for the people to make informed decisions on). I'm not a scholar of Marx, and someone else who is more well-read might have another view, but that's what I understand of Marx's ideas from what I have read. Hopefully it was of use to you.
@josephshumake5989
@josephshumake5989 Жыл бұрын
@@samuelrosander1048 so, what I said... Just longer and more pretentious?
@samuelrosander1048
@samuelrosander1048 Жыл бұрын
@@josephshumake5989 If I'm wrong and Hegel's "nature of spirit" is the same as "recognizing own/other suffering (because it's hard to miss recognizing your own desperation), analysis and education" then I'll accept "longer," but not "more pretentious." My writing is habitually long and tends toward being more academic (since that's most of the type of content that I read anymore, and what I tend to emulate in thought and writing), so I put in a lot of effort to edit it down because I've been told it's a problem. I'm not trying to impress you. I'm just trying to convey information to correct what I see as an error, in the most neutral and informative way I can. And again, if I'm wrong about what you refer to or even what I understand of Marx, then that's great, because I'll have learned something new. But for me, it's not about ego or impressing anyone or gaining status, so please don't suggest it is.
@BIKASHKUMAR-gh7cz
@BIKASHKUMAR-gh7cz Жыл бұрын
You're doing a great job! Thanks a ton!
@garliclasagna
@garliclasagna Жыл бұрын
this was brilliant, thank you
@AzossAwwYea
@AzossAwwYea Жыл бұрын
Great video! I think the audio was a little weird. I think it was clipping
@alexanderd964
@alexanderd964 Жыл бұрын
Damn, that was deep, really appreciated!
@hospod163
@hospod163 Жыл бұрын
This might be too much to ask for but will you consider adding what Bakunin thought about the proletariat seizing the state ?
@williamhutcheson6511
@williamhutcheson6511 2 жыл бұрын
Marxism speaks of "the withering away of the state". I've been waiting for THAT for some time now.
@samuelrosander1048
@samuelrosander1048 Жыл бұрын
The fun thing about people who point at that as "proof" that Marxism fails, is that they conveniently forget or choose to ignore the fact that the state doesn't "wither away" of its own accord. A worker's democracy, where the workers themselves are the government through "the fullest democracy," is necessary to make it happen, because only by everyone participating in all of the acts of governance (bottom-up democracy, in the workplace, in the living communities, and among/between all of them) can the necessity of a state be made more and more obsolete. Put another way, you need everyone within the city, region (county, state), *and* country (and eventually the world) to actively participate in every aspect of governance (debating issues, proposing/voting on solutions, and upholding them) so that the state and its bureaucracy become obsolete, or else they never will, because that is what it means to "wither away." There's more to the topic, but this is the short version that doesn't even attempt to address the various excuses made against democratization (of which there are many, most of which are strawmen or made without any critical thought, such as regurgitating talking points that are laughably stupid but sound like "owns" to people who don't wish to engage intellectually).
@samuelrosander1048
@samuelrosander1048 Жыл бұрын
@@history.rhymes You could have just come out and said "I have no interest in intellectually engaging with this topic, and instead will spit out caricatures and nonsense so that I can feel like I said something profound and obviously true." That would have been honest at least. The last time I checked, "try" meant "attempt," and nowhere in the history of Humanity has there been any "attempt" to do what you claim. There have been small-scale "utopias" attempted, some even successfully so to varying degrees...but no socialist or communist in their right mind would claim that they were even TRYING to create a utopia. If you want to join in a discussion, you should at least know the bare minimum of what's being discussed, or else you'll be seen as nothing but a pest, or, if you were honest about your ignorance and had a real willingness to learn, help in doing so. When people say "it fails every time it's tried," they explicitly point to the very first steps taken away from feudal and/or ultra-poor conditions (like in the USSR, China, Cuba, or anywhere else), or in other cases steps taken away from traditional capitalism or imperialism (like in Chile and Yugoslavia). Except they're not pointing at what was accomplished, only what resulted from foreign interventionism (by the U.S. and its allies) to ensure that the movement either shifts towards their capitalist and imperial interests, or else fails completely. That's it. No "global utopia" nonsense. If you had been approaching this in good faith, it might have been worth taking some time to explain further, even provide some examples, but you either don't understand the meaning of words, have no concept of history, come from another spacetime reality entirely...or just don't care to intellectually engage. Either way, it's not worth wasting more time trying...as in, "making an attempt."
@Tejaspandya227
@Tejaspandya227 Жыл бұрын
Just superb.
@johnparadise3134
@johnparadise3134 Жыл бұрын
1:17 Which text are you talking about? I thought you were talking about the Communist Manifesto, but then you mention page 172. And the communist manifesto is very short. Only about 30 some pages.
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy
@OverthinkPodcastPhilosophy Жыл бұрын
It's from the "Communist Manifesto" as printed in the book Marx: Selected Writings (Hackett). This is the book I assign for this class to my students
@martinbarba7689
@martinbarba7689 Жыл бұрын
Ok, you got me! When we start?
@yavuzkestane9952
@yavuzkestane9952 Жыл бұрын
It would be great if you make a video Marxism itself and the representatives of Marxism in the 20th century as well.
@ahmedbellankas2549
@ahmedbellankas2549 Жыл бұрын
Is not the case that there's an incompatibility between the communist revolution and historical materialism? Because,look; It seems that the communist revolution only if free will. And It seems that historical materialism only if not free will. What you think about that.
@joeyrufo
@joeyrufo Ай бұрын
THE WHOLE REASON THERE CAN _BE_ A TELEOLOGY TO HISTORY IS THAT CONSCIOUS, SELF-MOVING SUBJECTS (human beings!) CAN CREATE THIS TELEOS! THIS IS ALL POSSIBLE SIMPLY BECAUSE HUMAN INTERACTION DOES INDEED RUN ON HEGELIAN POSITIVE SUM LOGIC, NOT JUST ARISTOTELIAN TRUE/FALSE LOGIC!
@Rico-Suave_
@Rico-Suave_ 6 ай бұрын
Great video, thank you very much , note to self(nts) watched all of it 11:05
@eveleconomakis2850
@eveleconomakis2850 2 жыл бұрын
Logical ideas expressed both logically and engagingly. Keep up the good work--and the struggle. Marx didn't say "Unite the Workers of the World." You can tell who his audience was by his "Workers of the World, Unite." The self-movement of the proletariat, no parties or trade unions (also tools of the bourgeoisie) is the only answer. Being a worker is a blessing.
@farmpunk_dan
@farmpunk_dan Жыл бұрын
Nicely done
@c0284
@c0284 Жыл бұрын
Excellent!
@abeguy7981
@abeguy7981 Жыл бұрын
Impact of averroesm on Marxism is significant specifically general intellect.
@robertwilsoniii2048
@robertwilsoniii2048 Жыл бұрын
The main issue I see with Marxism is that it lacks Hegel's notion of recognition and acknowledgement from the other and gets stuck in a lordship/bondage, master/slave dynamic (and so does a Lockean social contract).
@joseluizcarvalhosilva8055
@joseluizcarvalhosilva8055 Жыл бұрын
Marxism doesn't need Hegel. Marx isn't Hegel's disciple, he's Hegel's superior.
@gunturaji
@gunturaji Жыл бұрын
Bourgeoisie now develop into a much greater social class that has power over anything popularly known as oligarchs controlling nation state around the world
@carllelendt5452
@carllelendt5452 Жыл бұрын
These things are all mixed in together in capitalism, and in what it is to be human (contemplated in antiquity, or before!). This is why I'm a big believer of blended economic systems (maintaining a scrupulous, managed mix of capitalism with socialism), which, in my opinion, can (or has the potential to-) produce an ongoing positive synergy effect on society, done properly. But an added layer of greed from special interest groups, lobbies, etc. has the eventual opposite outcome or impact, if left unchecked (hence the need for an ongoing socially-responsible monitoring, managing etc. of the mix). It can be argued that the railroad lobby, the sugar lobby, the oil lobby and so on, all had their momentarily positive or beneficial impact. But they, and others, have and will, outlive their usefulness, their positive impact. Rather like a good wizard eventually becoming the pinnacle source of evil which controls and personifies the 'dark side.' It is the wizardly energy from nothing were talking about here...-Synergy. And it is a viable phenomenon when talking about capitalism and economic systems otherwise. We humans, as individuals, and as large working class groups bring with us an almost unknowable but tappable energy, which can, in sum, work one way or the other, for those responsible or irresponsible societal leaders and captains of the workforce. Invoking the idea of synergy moves the discussion into the meta realm, becomes pinned as New Age mind-sparkle and is then promptly dismissed. But I don't think it should be dismissed, since I don't believe it is, in fact, unknowable. Should we disregard distinctly known phenomena such as inspiration? depression? and other such matters of the human experience? They all come to the table as people go to work, go home, drive their car, create a work of art, and so on. We disregard these in our materialist thinking at great peril!
@JamieeeMaybe
@JamieeeMaybe Жыл бұрын
Not to forget the animal agriculture lobby: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal%E2%80%93industrial_complex en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_meat_production
@Email377
@Email377 Жыл бұрын
This was an excellent, consice and clear explanation. Have yet to encounter this on KZfaq. Perhaps the best video on the subject I have seen. Very well done. Maybe some editorializing on how Marx and Engles invisioned the "dictatorship of the proletariat," but nothing objectionable was stated. Very well done. Thank you.
@dilbyjones
@dilbyjones Жыл бұрын
Let’s go!
@chungchihsu2000
@chungchihsu2000 2 жыл бұрын
Dear Ms. I respect you. Since you talked about Sartre and Marx, can you do "critique of diabetic reason", the next book I am going to read and I failed twice. I think on Marxism he has more depth than Arendt and Popper.
@racine09
@racine09 Жыл бұрын
diabetic?
@chungchihsu2000
@chungchihsu2000 Жыл бұрын
Dialectical.
@MegaLotusEater
@MegaLotusEater 2 жыл бұрын
The best thing about your vids on Marx, is you dont have old rightwing white dudes in the comments saying shit like "MarXisM kIllEd 100 miLlion PeOPLe!"
@MegaLotusEater
@MegaLotusEater 2 жыл бұрын
@@magnuskarlsson8655 old rightwing white dudes is not an oppressed minority.
@MegaLotusEater
@MegaLotusEater 2 жыл бұрын
@@magnuskarlsson8655 You’re fractally wrong
@MegaLotusEater
@MegaLotusEater 2 жыл бұрын
@@magnuskarlsson8655 Sorry didn't mean to hurt your feelings, grandpa
@drcringe7873
@drcringe7873 2 жыл бұрын
@@MegaLotusEater In many places of the world, whites are an oppressed minority and are being forced to a minority everywhere in the western world.
@MegaLotusEater
@MegaLotusEater 2 жыл бұрын
@@drcringe7873 oh you poor thing lol
@Bokhari786
@Bokhari786 2 жыл бұрын
Nice lectures
@carcrash1875
@carcrash1875 2 жыл бұрын
Nice teacher
@adriancook9742
@adriancook9742 Жыл бұрын
Hello I am a 60 + yr old trying to wrap my head around marxism. I recently watched a talk given by Jordan Peterson on the subject and wondered if you might help me by giving a little critique on his video. I enjoy watching and listening to your shows so keep up the good work. Cheers.
@ultrad27
@ultrad27 3 ай бұрын
What makes capitalism(free market) exploitative?
@dees9478
@dees9478 3 ай бұрын
First of all, there's no free market under late-stage (our era) of capitalism. If you think there's a "free market" you clearly live under a rock. And that's what is exploitative. Capitalism has a vested interest in ensuring that the competitors (for increasingly shitty jobs and for precarious wages) are kept under the ruthless thumb of the class that oversees the system, namely corporations, shareholders, banks, etc... They've rigged the system, and you suck in that system. The middle class is shrinking because that is the way late-stage capitalism is designed. That's pure exploitation of a system for the gain of the bourgeois class.
@mrtienphysics666
@mrtienphysics666 Жыл бұрын
That will be the United Federation of Planets
@luisdominguez2087
@luisdominguez2087 9 ай бұрын
Very nice opening words, the whole point! the political economy is by nature forced to analyze the human psychological condition to be able to understand the economy more broadly. What you say in minute 0.50 is it somewhere in the manifesto? or anywhere else? I would like to see it somewhere precisely....my own opinion: I simply do not think that by changing the mode of production men and women will tend to be better or that humans will want to set forth a nicer society for the greater good. That is almost too utopian. The manifesto was somehow utopian why? many reasons, from Marx age (30), to his origins in Germany to the collective vibe of those central European nations that sprung up in this kind of thinking, it was possibly an intellectual trap. The search of collapse is natural to humans, to then be able to be saved or die. For me it is by mere chance that communism ended up anchoring in societies that had or were close to historical civilization collapse, hence Russia. Later in his life, he had Russian friends, and Cuban and french married his daughters.
@iamnotpablo
@iamnotpablo 11 ай бұрын
TALK THAT TALK!
@codebloke2200
@codebloke2200 11 ай бұрын
I particularly enjoyed the moment of cognitive dissonance at 9:12
@msmaryna961
@msmaryna961 Жыл бұрын
Excellent summary. Neither Marx nor Engels understood the fire of individualization that drives most people to create lives, art, and businesses based on their unique desires/skills. Collectivist thought is so anti-human I can't understand how any deep thinker would fall for it.
@kimo8941
@kimo8941 Жыл бұрын
Bruh really 😞
@mrcrowley3742
@mrcrowley3742 2 ай бұрын
Ha ve you read anything from Marx? Because he does address the things you are saying
@idontknowlloyd
@idontknowlloyd Жыл бұрын
knowing the default one relaxes, the complex is a forced strategum always marching towards a cliff 🌝
@SnakeAndTurtleQigong
@SnakeAndTurtleQigong Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, thank you!
@markdelbrooke-jones9947
@markdelbrooke-jones9947 Жыл бұрын
Conjecture about how a world without private property would look is ultimately another rabbit hole...one could debate until doomsday. Ultimately one's politics are more a reflection of ones basic nature, temperament and disposition. Intellectual arguments are essentially a sideshow
@kevinmccauley3877
@kevinmccauley3877 Жыл бұрын
so marx had faith. will see how that plays out :) Hegel seems more the divide and conquer type. you have nice hair!
@aryan_karim
@aryan_karim Жыл бұрын
9:56 How will the proletarian power drop away? What if "Humans are greedy in nature" was true? That means there will still be some people that would act as bourgeoisie. As long as different nations exist they always need a central state power.
@RaLeTiNo
@RaLeTiNo Жыл бұрын
That is explained in detail by Lenin. In short, the by means of force and coercion the proletarian state abolishes private property. This force and coercion is directed at both inner and foreign threats and as long as one by one all countries of the world establish proletarian dictatorships the success is guaranteed. State is an apparatus of class rule of one class over others. When proletariat seizes state power and abolish all capitalists, proletariat themselves stop existing as a class. And when there are no classes, no state is need so it begins to wither away as it is said. The notion that "humans are greedy by nature" is true to the same extent that "humans are generous by nature". So that doesn't really prove anything. When proletariat seizes state power they dont do so because they are generous or greedy, they do it because its in their common class interest to do so.
@aryan_karim
@aryan_karim Жыл бұрын
@@RaLeTiNo If every country established proletariat dictatorship, then I wonder how would happen to these parts of society (national security, economy, goods import and export, education system ... ). Who would make rules for them? Who has final words? IMO, proletariat people would have representatives, then they'll create something like parliament, then it becomes capitalism all over again.
@RaLeTiNo
@RaLeTiNo Жыл бұрын
@@aryan_karim The administrative bodies of worker councils formulate the rules. Capitalism isn't when parliament. Capitalism is predicated upon specific economic relations like wage labour, private property of means of production, profit, exploitation and commodity production. None of this is present in communism so obviously capitalism cannot arise again. All of your questions are literally answered in State and revolution.
@penrose5383
@penrose5383 Жыл бұрын
But then wouldn't the ideaology that Marx and Engels have be influenced by their material conditions as well? As in, in some sense, capitalism was necessary in order for them to have these ideas? I agree with Marx, as long as he agrees with that statement. In saying that you cannot "force" a revolution. You have to follow hegelian dialetics and let it sublate. I agree with Marx, I just don't agree with revolution.
@paxwallace8324
@paxwallace8324 Жыл бұрын
I trust in those same forces that you say Marx and Engels trusted in but "I need to state this succinctly as possible". We don't have the philosophical infrastructure yet to sustain a truly egalitarian economy. Unless you include Buddhism. E.G. the Star Trek economy i.e. (no money) where people can just have whatever they want materially due to replicator technology. So wealth/class division 'as we think of it' became meaningless. But all the petty ideas that result from capitalism ie Social Darwinism, and Greed is good, Power and Exclusivity unfortunately still run the show. So even though now that we are much closer to the technological breakthroughs required for that revolution than ever before (3d printing, and biological 3d printing, materials engineering, as well as nanotechnology, and genetic engineering) but we unfortunately couldn't sustain the Star Trek economy yet Because we don't have the philosophical infrastructure. Put another way we aren't spiritually evolved enough yet. Mankind still collectively vibrates too low. We be greedy! Look the Tasoday tribe had no real concept of ownership I'm told but we are pretty far from that. That's why our Democracy has become an Oligarchy. Also looming like the sword of Damocles over our jewel like Planet is The 6th Mass Extinction driven by late stage Capitalism. At the end of the day the work is spiritual because now in order to reclaim the better Angles of our Nature there's a lot of spiritual work ahead. And for folks who're just exclusively attached to Rational Empiricism in all compartments this won't compute.
@Uriel-Septim.
@Uriel-Septim. 5 ай бұрын
"There have always been and always will be those who are driven by hate and want to blame those who are happy, creative and productive for their misery."
@thetruthoutside8423
@thetruthoutside8423 2 жыл бұрын
But is it also as a historical background that the so called state as we know it now has arisen out of capitalism neccessary necessity needs to that centralized and cohesive structure and power? In other words, the centralized power structure in the state form was essential to the supremacy of capitalism and it has been used as a tool and very effective way to keep its economical dominance. So the question of the so called STATE and government is of legitimate existence in the first place due to their relationship between capitalists if capitalists have no rational justified reasons for existence then the state and government have no way to rationally justified that same existence!
@peterthefourth4
@peterthefourth4 Ай бұрын
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@maxineasbury2566
@maxineasbury2566 Жыл бұрын
I'm confuse you said pg 163 but it was a pamphlet.
@light1908
@light1908 Жыл бұрын
The critique always goes so well… and then, that small mythical twist that Marx throws in at the end always let’s the wind out of that proverbial communist sail.
@markaustin8288
@markaustin8288 2 жыл бұрын
What is the trust in the material world to get better? Hegel believed in Spirit; Marx obviously does not. Hegel borrowed from Christianity that time is heading somewhere good (Christ will return and all will be well). But, what in the world does Marx as an atheist who only believes in the material world think is guiding/running/ the engine of history in a POSITIVE/PROGRESSIVE direction?
@VirtuousSaint
@VirtuousSaint 2 жыл бұрын
Hegel was an idealist, he was working to progress the idealistic thought of his time, his work was basically to summarize all Western philosophy. Marx wasn't an idealist, he believed in the world shaping people's thoughts including "faith". but he saw that Hegel's method (dialectics) had a very good formal apparatus so he employed it in his work, hence why his method is called "dialectical materialism".
@markaustin8288
@markaustin8288 2 жыл бұрын
@@VirtuousSaint That’s a good summary. my question is what is automatically-inherently progressive (rather than circular or regressive or no change) about history itself. Christians believe time is teleological because God is shaping history to a good climax…what gave marx faith that history would get better and have a climax given that he was an atheist and materialist?
@scambammer6102
@scambammer6102 2 жыл бұрын
@@markaustin8288 he thought that humans are inherently good, unlike your religion
@77Jabbawockeez
@77Jabbawockeez 2 жыл бұрын
obviously something else rather than a man made imaginary friend who does nothing for the human species.
@77Jabbawockeez
@77Jabbawockeez 2 жыл бұрын
@@markaustin8288 because we only have each other to rely on, no stupid gods in clouds above, no angels nothing....if we cant get better then we're doomed. but history has proven that humans willingness to survive to achieve something better is a force to be reckon with, no gods needed.
@doylesaylor
@doylesaylor 2 жыл бұрын
What’s missing from the manifesto recapitulation the professor ably voices is the concept of socializing public goods. So for example forests belong to the people as a shared resource. Or more clearly education, healthcare, and housing are managed by the state so that workers can have those resources. This management of resources is socialist policies. As opposed to the rich owning public goods and adding a ‘profit’ to say public housing so that housing assets take more and more proportion of income as profit.
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