Yeah I agree, that's what helps sell me on it being Diablo the board game as well.

Deliverance is one of the best heaven and hell themed games out there. Strongly suggest buying it asap.

I plan on it, I love hanging out with him :)

Thanks :) That's great to know.

Thanks so much, much appreciated :)

It's definitely a good time. I'm really glad we played both because I was able to remember why it's fun and not be completely distracted by the new shiny thing, haha. But I do really love those classes on MD2 :)

You covered up exactly what I have in mind. Zombicide feels much more tactical, because you can actually kite zombies and hide from their los. In MD2 mobs just run to the closest hero, no matter if he hide in room and another hero is in their los. You feel like on a hayway and sooner or later you have to fight through mobs. In most missions there is also no point to go back to room you've already cleaned. Zombicide feels much more like an open space or like a sandbox. Another thing...classes. Tbh after some missions im bored. You can buy new add-ons with new heroes, but every single wizard have the same spells. Every single rogues have the same tools. The only differences is in their shadow perk and health/mana pool. In Zombicide again you can have many heroes focused on magic spells and their skills tree are totally different from each other. Im not gonna sell my base MD2 but in the same time I'm more likely to invest more money into Zombicide ;) (For now I have Black Plague, Wulfsburg, Friends and Foes, Abomination Pack and Walkers with bows)

haha, we need to get that trending! #ReleasetheZfiles

Thanks! I hope you love it, we've been really enjoying it.

@@RoomandBoardReviews Are there any expansions that you consider to be must own?

@@dk9251 Not currently. I really enjoy all the different classes, but I also think the base classes are super fun, so I'd start with the base and then if you like it, the next step for me is for sure the classes. That's what makes it feel so fresh. I doubt I'll get any of the other mob/baddy expansions especially since I have the MD1 update pack, which gave me so so many cards that I'll never get through. But it's new classes over new enemies for sure.

Awesome, I'm glad it's helpful :)

Awesome :) I do love the classes and am very tempted by the Druids. Maybe if I pick ups Heavenfall at some point then I'll throw in the Druid as well because I'll have another box of space haha

@@RoomandBoardReviews the classes are the best part of the game, and the druid seems fun (I've not played it but my son has and enjoyed it). I'm torn in Heavenfall...not big on campaigns, but I like the enemies and bosses. I'll probably grab it if I ever see it on sale.

I feel like most of the zombicides feel pretty similar from the outside, it's just the different weapons. I'm not as big on the changes in Green Horde with the big catapult you can use, but the hedges are a bit fun with that one. I think the train in Undead and Alive looks like a lot of fun too :)

I'm glad you enjoyed! And that's a great idea, what a really nice twist for Zombicide, I think definitely go for it :)

Go watch my top 10 ;)

I haven't played MD2, but I vastly prefer Death May Die over Zombicide. The sanity mechanism in DMD is one of my favorites. (I really love the original implementation as corruption in The Others too.) I like the ability unlocks in DMD, it feels more open than Zombicide leveling. I also like that the power growth in DMD is pushing your character closer and closer to insanity.

@@VaultBoy13 I agree with all of that, I also prefer the crescendo to the big boss fight, the ability to go out in a blaze of glory, and also that you don't have to kill in one hit like you do in Zombicide. And the insanity cards and how you use them can be really cool too.

I'd definitely say you don't HAVE to own both, I don't think I'd have the desire to pick up Zombicide even if Zach didn't have it, but I think it's not as much of a Zombicide killer as I expected it to be after the first play

I really have been enjoying it. Haven't gotten it to the table since then but will be aching too soon I'm sure. Even a non KS massive darkness I think gives ample enough of an experience, so you don't have to track down a super overpriced copy

They definitely do. I feel like it would take a lot to get another one in just because of the space, and because I still want to spend time with this one.

Oh you're going to have SO much content for MD2 when it gets there! I'm excited and terrified for you haha. But yeah it's really been a lot of fun so far

Awesome! Heavenfall is so so tempting to me, just to go up to level 10 haha

@@RoomandBoardReviews yes and add that mix and match campaign

Yesss, take that Zach!

Haha, I think Marvel Zombies will give you that same Zombicide experience, and I think they'll be different enough for different situations. But yeah, really been loving MD2 as well, I'm glad you're enjoying it!

Exact same situation here. Marvel Zombies will be my first Zombicide. Pretty big fan of MD2 so far

Haha, it's such a big haul.

'We have the meats"

Haha, yeah with the all in there's no room for anything else on the shelf, haha

100% I agree with you. That's what contributes to that energy factor, just keeping track of everything. Zombicide is for sure easier to table and easier to grasp. I also can't imagine playing MD2 with more than 3 people. Six would just be an outrageous amount.

@@RoomandBoardReviews yeah, I definitely wouldn't play MD2 with more than 3 people, but man, is the class system so much fun. Btw, does Zac have a channel or video where I can see the painted zombicide minis? I want to eventually paint mine as well!

I have not played it sadly. But I think Chris backed it so hopefully we can rectify that soonish

the best way i have found to play black plague/green hoard with expansion content is to pick no more then about three things to add at once. usually 1 special aboninaton and then 1 or 2 special zombies/necromancers. i have played by just sticking a ton of abominations and diffrent zombies into the deck, and it is ok but not the best experience. the rule you need to remember is that when you draw a card and you cant place more of the zombie/abomination onto the board, then the zombies of that type on the baord get an activation. This is super important for the balance and tension of the game. in the mid and late game you will run out of a zombie type, often walkers or fatties first, and they will start flying across the map with extra activations. This goes for abominations as well, most of the expansion abominations have like 8 cards, every time you draw their card and they are alive on the baord they will activate. this makes them super active and dangerous. But if you dilute the zombie deck with a ton of abominations and extra zombies... you are actually slowing down the game. 5 slowly plodding abominations on the map is far less exiting or difficult then one abomination that activates 3 times in a row unexpectedly. in the game chris and i played for this video, all the archer zombies got onto the board and we had been avoiding the street full of archers becuase we had no solution to them. those archers started hustling around the board and that felt really cool and dangerous. the special mechanics of that one zombie type got to shine becuase it was the only special zombie type in the game, which meant it spawned more often, got extra activations and affected the flow of the game much more then if we had used all the special zombies. a few random archers mixed with a bunch of other special zombies in a square is ultimately less of a challenge and also less interesting. but you do you. zombie your game to taste. if you have the expansion then you have the flexability to tailer the experience to your desire

Uhh... what Zach said! Haha, we definitely were playing with everything before, but Zach reminding me of that rule really did make a big difference in the endgame, which I think is important to keeping it feeling tense.

Haha, that's fair :)

@@RoomandBoardReviews ok...I watched it anyway...seems like I should have 2 great games. Just need to have a decent storage solution...haha

I don't. I just got the base pledge, which came with the class expansions and the crossover pack from the 1st game, and that I think it so so much content to last me a long while. I would be more interested in picking up the Druid class and the Heavenfall campaign mode first, for being able to level up to level 10

Haha thanks! I think the quackening is happening over on The "Affordable Board Game Deathmatch" video, just fyi. Don't want you to miss your chance for the giveaway.

@@RoomandBoardReviews Thanks, I thought I missed something 🙃

@@GrimLocke161 My pleasure!

Personally I'm more interested in Undead or Alive instead of Marvel Zombies because the setting is more fun for me, or maybe I just don't have that many westerns haha.