there JUNK the old ones and the new ones, the biggest SCAM IN the whole World.

You must work for the oil companies to discredit the service that is free you obviously are Republican and don't care about this world you're not perfect nobody said they were

@@dennishightower7671 I don’t work for oil companies...I like abandoned man made structures not sure what that has to do with politics.

@@ThistleKing sure you don't are Republicans for sure you're a liar

@@dennishightower7671 so dennis are your eyes telling you lies? Can you think for yourself? I do not care who you vote for . Just think. You can do that. It is a free country. Open your mind. Use your eyes.

We keep her running pretty healthy

Thx, KAREN! 🙅‍♀️

Uhm...you didn't exactly see the black goo flowing out of the hub, bub?!?!??

@@cluelessbeekeeping1322 On the ones that were spinning and producing? Ever see oil drip from an engine?

@@ricknolte6846 In your analogy, it's more like "ever see connecting rods fly out of a motor? Perfectly normal, nothing to see here, move along." There, fixed it for ya! Ya...same diff. dum dum!

@@cluelessbeekeeping1322 So a few leaking oil seals ("black goo") equals decaying wind farm? Where do you think energy comes from? Unicorn farts?

Producing what? A few thousand Kw? Nothing to keep your lights on in the Grand scheme

Apparently not true, because there are some really old ones, and many more much newer ones.

I think the repair manuals were thrown away with the buckets of extra bolts after they were installed.🤣

These r from 1985... that’s all I’m gonna say. And they will be replaced soon.

If you don't regularly maintain the wind turbines this what happens totally neglected by the people who put them there in Europe and at sea have teams regularly maintained them don't blame the wind turbines blame the company who which owns them

A majority of them are 1980's Mitsubishi made. 🙄

If you don't try you will never progress. Solar power for the win in California...during the day... At night...you need some other form of electricity generation...or you need Electric Jesus to make Power Walls a lot cheaper...storage of solar for use at night...yessss!

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk Now this I disagree on. Nuclear energy is the most efficient and clean option, especially if you use helium 3 reactors. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b5qieNR5tZ_If4U.html

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk trying doesn't equal progress. Solar needs other power for about 20 hours a day as the panels only work for about 5 hours. Nukes work, hydro works but California has banned nukes and won't build dams. Batteries are dirty and inefficient. I'm not saying batteries and solar won't work someday but it isn't here today. It is expensive and that is why the industry is subsidized. I think you would call that privatize the profits socialize the cost. Something you claimed to hate, unless it is your pet project.

@@rh6625 John where is California going to build more dams? Additionally, we do not have a safe way to dispose of nuclear waste. Furthermore, remember Fukushima? We have earthquakes.

@@oNeEarThCitIzeN 1 California has many valleys in the Sierras, many dam opportunities. No one wants them. We do have a way to safely dispose of nuclear waste. The radioactivity was mined out of the earth and concentrated. Reverse mine the material back in to the same tailings it came from. No one wants to. All of California isn't on a fault. Don't build on the San Andreas. What large earthquakes have happened in the San Joaquin or Sacramento Valleys? Remember, it is an area larger than many Eastern States combined.

Well, how about placing them in a marine environment (like a lot of oil wells) where the wind and noise won't bother any humans....and the winds are steadier...

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk You have more brains than anyone in the Biden admin. A few days ago Sky News Australia had a scientist who explained they actually cause more pollution then fossil fuel. You can search it here on youtube.

Has anyone figured the cost of power produced for these including demolition? It would be interesting to see the cost per KW. Without government(Taxpayer) subsides these would never happened. The people who ran these projects made a lot of money off us for this. Wind power is turning into the biggest boondoggle ever. In 20 years all the solar panels we see will be at the end of their life also.

@@mamav8898 I saw a study a few years back that said it took 1.1 gallons of hydrocarbons to produce 1 gallon on ethanol. Everything from fertilizer, tractor fuel and refining take more than it does to produce. It also said electric cars use more energy that fossil fuel cars because of the fuel it takes for mining and refining the exotic minerals for batteries that don’t last anywhere near as long of what a well maintained gas car.

@@Chris_at_Home Interesting info. Thanks for sharing. A few days ago a scientist on Sky news Austrailia explained how wind energy costs more than fossil fuel. You can search here on youtube if you wish.

Overly dramatic much? That mess could be cleaned up easily or new turbines erected on the existing bases. Today's wind turbines are remarkably efficient. Ever seen where they strip mine coal? Remember the Exxon Valdez mess or the BP spill in the GULF? The seafloor is now completely lifeless, irrespective of how the water looks from above. And carbon from petroleum products is slowly ruining our atmosphere.

@@lbowsk That was my point Steve... :shrug:

Quit using electricity and they will go away

@@dennismarsh750 Easily said.

Thats absolutely true. They ruin the beauty of any landscape.

No, it isn't. They use much larger, and far fewer turbines spread out a lot more. Wind and solar are the cheapest new generation, and starting to beat keeping fossil plants running. Google eia power monthly, and look at then little maps. The green new deal is coming because it's cheap. Glad the dems support it. BTW, republican Texas has by far the most wind power installed.

@@fjalics Wait until you have no wind you will freeze to death and you will see it will happen Texas already experienced the green new deal and people died.

@@donnygillihan8768 Ignorance, and arrogance is a bad combination. You are completely wrong. The simple problem was that Texas didn't winterize anything, in spite of the fact that this happened 10 years ago. Most of the generation that was lost was gas. You lost coal, nuclear, and some wind too, because you were too cheap to buy the cold weather packages. In spite of all that, I think you produced more wind power than forecast, and solar was good too. You probably believed your lying governor. You didn't make up the lie, you just repeated it without checking, right?

@Bob Bob Try finding out how much Vogtle 3 and 4 are going to get paid per kwh, then let's talk. I'll be nice and not badger you about Summer 2 and 3.

@@fjalics And it looks like you are a success in the ignorant department you remind me of AOC and Biden not much upstairs.

The same we do in parts of Europe. Less but bigger and they produce more energy.

Do they pay off? I heard there a flop.

@Vurlio in Denmark we have a wind turbine that started producing electricity back in 1978. It has got new blades and several other things are renewed, as those who build it didn't have any experience in building wind turbines. But it started the Danish wind turbine industry.

@@harryjessen The big ones are like 3.2MW, which is laughable. And they only produce it when the wind blows - but not when it blows too hard. And if the grid experiences a spike, they can't be ramped up. Fkn useless, and waste valuable land.

@@Slick263 Well a coal plant or something is thousands of megawatts, but what are you gonna do when the coal runs out and everything's polluted to shit? And the land isn't wasted on wind at all, you can still for example cultivate it between the turbines.

Now go out and have a look under your car...leaks from valve cover gasket, rear main engine seal, transmission oil pan, rear output shaft seal, VSS sensor, diff pinion seal...it all happens when you don't keep up the maintenance...and after 40 years...what maintenance?

@@rrialb9371 The wind mills need to torn down and the area cleaned up. The wind mills are an eye sore.

Just like the fossil fuels industries you mean - particularly in developing countries. The staggering amount of pollution, environmental & resulting social damage they leave behind is almost beyond comprehension. To be clear, I agree that no industry should be even [remotely] exempt from cleaning up after itself.

@Bob Bob If you're referring to nuclear power, I'm not necessarily opposed to it. It's just so expensive in terms of time, money and resources to get off the ground and means very expensive electricity prices for customers; that often means taxpayer subsidisation for the whole of its operational life. It also leaves a 10,000 or so years long waste legacy for future generations. For the same inputs, it's far more efficient & effective to get renewable energy generation up & running without the horrendous multi-generational impact of dealing with the nuclear waste which taxpayers, once again, will be on the hook for; it certainly won't be the company who owned & produced the plant and it's waste, paying for it.

Negative. Our corporate office is based out of Tahachapi. We still service turbines out there, some are unsafe to climb and left to run as a means of "Safe dismemberment." They will eventually fault out and stop running, then we go in and demo them. Tehachapi is getting a full overhaul of its entire landscape of turbines, projected for ~2030.

@@pinkelephants1421 YOU would not be here without oil, oil is life.

@@jimlincoln1283 If you are referring to the development of modern civilization then I'd 💯% agree with you on that point. It's just that in order for our planet to continue to support life, we rapidly need to move on from fossil fuels usage. Even if habitability isn't an important factor in your life, we'd have to do it anyway sooner or later; the clue's in the name - fossil. There is no more. Anyway, renewables are far more efficient and economical.

Well on average every car will use in its lifetime about 1,250 gallons of oil. That's if the car lasts 250k miles. Based on a car requiring 6 quarts. The car also outputs way more carbon emissions in its lifetime than it takes to make these turbines. So you going to stop driving cars around doubt it.

Way less than an oil burning plant

@@ianmoyron3919 Would just like to hear the truth instead of "wind turbines, totally green energy". They never talk about scenery destroyed, infrastructure, roads, miles of wire, tons of concrete, hundreds of thousands of birds killed and blades that wear out and get buried. There are hundreds of burned out & ruined turbines dotting the country that don't seem to be worth fixing once the subsidies run out. These things are not the panacea that they are said to be

Wind turbines make back the energy that goes into making them in 2-3 months.

@@fjalics I was going to mention that to someone else that said all they do is draw power from the grid but there is no trying to explain things on the internet... ROFL

How many Mazdas, Lamborghinis etc that catch fire on our roads every day are repaired???? Most are scrapped... Maybe really soon most of these will suffer that fate.....and be replaced by big new efficient GE USA produced ones???

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk maybe we will just scrap the whole worthless eyesore pal

@@billmetal By all means...you buy a new Chevy or Ford or Mazda when the warranty runs out...well before 40 years anyway...so they can be replaced with new energy saving ones...ditto with these old clunkers...scrap them all...the concept has been proved over 40 years...wind turbines work well in windy areas....,put fewer, more powerful, new ones up....beautiful!

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk They use more energy to produce than they will generate in their lifetime. Liberal boondoggle to rip off the taxpayer with more deals with China.

You acted as they can get a crane in whenever they wanted too. Perhaps you can give them your AAA tow service to them. Those nacelle weight in over 140,000 pounds. Every hours it not in operation it cost them more than you make i a month!!!

Especially the new ones...the well-maintained ones. Do you look after your car..is it 40 years old and still turning and burning? Doesn't take long for a nice new car to look bad if the owner neglects it....

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk Green energy is a scam. You nim rod.

@@satanspit4101 Roll on alternative energy then......

Why don't you ask the Japanese peoples about it!!! I think they will glad to trade your "eye sore" for their glowing problems!!! For which they have no end in sight!!!

The amount of energy spent to build the windmill will NEVER be recouped in its 20 year lifespan. It’s a fools errand. Not to mention the 10’s of thousands of raptors knocked to the ground to die flopping around. If you shot one of those magnificent animals you would spend many years in jail and fined thousands of $.

@@tii2015 Hahahahahaha!!!! That’s the best post I’ve ever seen on KZfaq...bar none! LMAO 💪🏻

It just depends on the terms of the lease. Also, it may be land that was purchased by the energy company.

California is one of the states with a lot of government-owned land . It may have been public property to begin with .

One man I know in the area have 1- 1.5 megawatt turbine on his vacant land and he getting on average of 28K a year. JEALOUS?????

If the land is leased for the purpose of installing and operating a wind turbine, then the lease would probably be quite similar to that of a lease for a cell phone tower installation. My brothers, sister and I have a lease with a company for a cell phone tower on the corner of a farmland property that we own. They lease approximately 1/2 - 1 acre of land at the corner of the field. The lease terms include all the details that one might expect. Such things as lease length, liabilities (e.g. if the tower topples & causes death/damage), payment terms, cell phone carriers on that tower, lease renewal conditions, upgrades to the tower, dismantling of the tower after useful life, etc.

I think Greta finally realized that she shouldn't be here, but instead she should be in school on the other side of the ocean. I couldn't possibly agree with her more.

@@amoskowitz0103 dogger bank

Dogger bank

Baloney. They would totally survive your thunderstorms. So many clueless people here with strong opinions. Google GE, Siemens Gamessa, and Vestas wind turbine, and look at their specs.

@@fjalics Didn't make it through the ice storms.

Baloney. Apart from the blades, and the pads, it's mostly metal. A lot of these are old, and should be replaced by much fewer, and much bigger ones.

@@fjalics--No they don't. They just decommission them, because the Tax Credits aren't as friendly now. They have to take the entire structure down to the concrete pad, rewire everything(all lost money), then put up new ones. Look at all the Dead fields of wind turbines in Tehachapi(So. Calif)

@@ronmcmartin4513 I don't know what the deal is in California. That is a really windy spot. Wind power is super competitive now, subsidy or not. It will cost some money to clean up the pads. There are possibilities for blades. They can be recycled, but aren't always. The towers and nacelles should be easy. The metals are valuable. www.lazard.com/perspective/levelized-cost-of-energy-and-levelized-cost-of-storage-2020/

@@fjalics--After dismantling and hauling away scrap(with fossil fuel vehicles), how "valuable" is it, WITHOUT Gov't subsidies? How "valuable" and competitive is wind power WITHOUT Gov't subsidies? Why is the Unreliable power of Calif. over DOUBLE the price per kilowatt than Nevada($0.18, then quickly to .23 per KwH versus .09)? Is THAT what makes it Valuable?

@@fjalics--Chart: "under certain circumstances". Let me guess, by Torturing the data to achieve the Most Desired Outcome. If wind is so wonderful(per your chart), why are there so many dead/dying wind turbines? One would think that there would be a full-time crew dismantling and replacing them. Of course with Gov't, the labor would cost Double. So they'd have to raise the KwH price, AGAIN!

@Leon Wilcox The components that are salvageable, and recyclable, are surrounded by non-recyclable fiberglass/epoxy derived from petroleum.

@Leon Wilcox Awesome, because there are abandoned wind farms all over the world. Sitting rotting, decaying in the wind, Sun light, ocean, and even in Tehachapi California.

The losses are on nuclear, and coal, and soon gas. Wind and solar are the cheapest in the US, and still dropping.

Subsidising bad products

Mitsubishi continues making wind turbines. The ones in this video are quite old. The ones installed in or around 2008 leaked less, but many turbines ooze grease on hot days, which is mostly what you see in these videos, not gearbox oil. The most modern Mitsubishi wind turbines addressed many of the unsightly grease issues.

{Morbo voice} *"That's not how windmills work!"*

@Kingjohn917 , I was quoting dialogue from Futurama "The Day the Earth Stood Stupid". Morbo is a TV anchorman.

That was pretty clever. A lot more so than what people think. Well done!

@Kingjohn917 , yikes, clearly you missed classes that helped understand jokes and sarcasm. Your local community College might offer courses, it's worth a shot

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Well, they hardly produce any energy that meets the demands. That's a fact

Until the subsidies finish.

tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands.

Probably fewer now...all the dumb birds are dead...those that stay away reproduce....

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk how progressive and not to mention environmentally friendly. You people are sick, and proud of it.

@@zebrashark23 How many fish can no longer swim upstream because hydro dams prevent them from doing so? How much ecology has died because the cooling water from nuclear stations/oil fired and natural gas generators has raised the temperature of the rivers? Everything has an "environmental" cost...

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk you got that right. So what’s the answer? Depopulation right? Who wants to volunteer?

and bats. Thousands are killed here each year.

Perhaps, if there was a need (like say legislation) that mandated that only smart birds and bats were allowed near the windfarms, there would be less of a problem? Or perhaps auto loading radar directed shotguns to "discourage" birds from committing suicide/intentional damage to the wind turbines? A "sonic" wall? A "magnetic" barrier? There is no need that birds be protected at this stage.....so no research has been done....

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk more salty libtard

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk If these produce 270% less energy in their lifetime then it costs to make them then insanity is the real product here.

@@ActivateMission2ThisTimeline Model T Fords were not very economical either...but they paved the way for more efficient models.....

you're goofy

Tar gives it away

OK, hydro power from 7am to 9am, the nuclear comes in then from another state, at 11 until 12 the coal fired electricity... 1pm..the wind turbines have kicked in, 3pm the solar power, 6pm natural gas turbine generators, etc etc. You can't cut any of these sources...unless you are in Texas...and then you get very little or nothing...when it freezes...like it did in 1989, 2011 and 2021..I think I spot that there is a pattern here....

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk I only want natural gas and oil/coal generated electricity. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iNego7V0mJ2zl30.html

@@KD-cg9iq Not when your a** is freezing off....you don't care where it comes from as long as it keeps coming and keeps warming you....

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk hello John, nope , for warming myself I depend on my own fuel oil stock and a wood stove with my own renewable wood supply. Electricity is a luxury that i easily can do without for some time , certainly enough to comfortably survive any cold snap. I can recommend everyone to become less dependent on the external power grid.

That's why u r in a mess

These appear to be older generation turbines. Newer models are far more robust. You should see what we have here n Europe and off of the UK coastline. There amazing and doing a great job of displacing fossil fuels usage. Also far cheaper and efficient to operate and maintain than fossil fuels generators. UK has gone from 43% ⚡ of coal generation in 2010 to about 4% in 2021 & the last coal plant due to close 3rd ¼ of 2023.

@@rrialb9371 You may well be right about that but although I may be wasting my time, I'm also conscious that this person may have been given wrong information to start with and it's important to correct any basic lack of understanding whilst being cognisant that others will read those silly myths that he was spouting then end up perpetuating them. I'd like to at least try to prevent perpetuation of anti climate change, clean energy generation & electrification of transportation drivel. Nature doesn't care what we believe, but if we don't heed the warnings she's been giving us over the last 40-50yrs, she's going to give us one hell of a spanking; trouble is, we'll be dragging the rest of life on this planet right along with us.

It doesn’t make a difference how old they are. Someone should still be responsible for them. They didn’t appear out of nowhere.

@@williamthegreat6379 A bit like the worst areas of cities...just before the bulldozers are called in...when planning permission has been bought from the old boy network, palms have been greased etc....and the brilliant new shiny thing (like these were 40 years ago before neglect set in) gets built....

Like any form of energy production a decommissioning process needs to be engineered and funded so that at the end of its useful lifespan it can be removed. Oil borehole, transmission lines, nuclear, gas and coal plants, etc eventually all wear out. Everything has a cost so as a society we just need to minimize the costs in all aspects. There is no free lunch.

Your point being???

None of those wind machines were there when Jimmy Carter was president. Wind farms blew up in the mid 80`s in tehachapi

Condor is delicious meat

Meat grinder!bird grinder, bat grinder. Got to smell horrible death everywhere.

@@tim2applecell323 The wind takes the smell away.....

@@tim2applecell323 Mosquitos haz rights too !....

@@georgegrepaly1387 ??????

Oh for smarter birds...those that stay away reproduce....a bit like humans and the Darwin principle?

Funny you didn't talk about any of the things like cats or power lines, that kill way more birds. Do you actually care about birds?

@@fjalics give me one reference please.

Near Mojave? Good luck with that.

I think you are right...This looks like a car parking lot outside a WalMart.... maintain my car? Ain't nobody got time for that....

Almost all the coal ash is burned in modern combustion, any remaining is captured as post process.CO2 in the air is the only way plants can capture carbon which is the only way they can grow.

The ones spinning really fast are not connected to load and their brakes have broken. They are freewheeling. The larger ones that are turning more slowly might still be online. This is supposedly still an active wind farm.

Oh yea, that wonderful beautiful palm desert landscape. Get a grip lady. Place is a pit out there and you don’t see any of the rich mothers that live here complaining. It makes it cooler to look at it anything

Where us good ol "clean" coal which cause no harm to the environment whatsoever!

@Alexthefancollector Walker yeah, but coal is burned above ground. wind is cleaner and cheaper. these things are more beautiful than oil rigs.

Useless? that’s absolutely hillarious

Wind is saving much more nature than destroying it

@@lukenoble7411 They hardly produce enough electricity to meet demands. They need a better solution than these toys.

It is. Visually may not be but you're not breathing in mercury like you are with coal.

Most of the bad ones look like old micon and mitsubishi models. GE tends to make a good product.

And not very well made! "The bitterness of low quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten." - Benjamin Franklin

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tehachapi_Pass_wind_farm

Don't think so china has a reputation to uphold

Try getting a guarrentee for Chinese products, 1 day no more.

buffet

The wind has to regain it's energy after going through the first turbine's blades. After a distance of 3x the height of the turbine and blades, the wind has regained it's strength. then it goes through the next set of blades etc etc. After the last set of blades...it takes only the same distance to regain full strength just from the sheer volume of the wind.... So each turbine has to be a certain distance from each of the others...and the taller the tower/bigger the blades...the larger the distance...the greater the real estate taken up...

I hope you live downwind of one of those beautiful smoke stacks.

Lets pipe that smokestack into your house then you won’t have to look outside to see unsightly anymore.

@@markvalery8632 Smoke stacks emit water vapor and CO2

@@CycleWerkz Anything else emitted, or does water vapor and CO2 make up 100% of the output of a smoke stack?

@@markvalery8632 Oh it's time to pick nits. The binary answer is yes, other emissions are present. However, modern combustion systems and post process systems reduce all these to well below harmful levels. It is continuously monitored and if levels exceed limits the system will alarm then shutdown.

PhD in what study?

It is a great place. The early turbines were nowhere near as good as the ones they make now, or as big, so they needed to put a lot of them, and in really windy places.

Most of those ones are apparently Danish...because the Danes produced long-lasting turbines.....that don't freeze up in cold weather....because Denmark gets quite cold....and the Danes designed for that. But GE in the USA seem to be heading in the right direction with their ultra efficient, large wind turbines now...

Do you know what vehicle junk yards look like? Yeah, not pretty... These towers will come down and be replaced with much larger ones producing much more electricity. The Old will be recycled...just like old cars....

@@JohnSmith-pl2bk Lets see them get started!

Most of them. Just search google to find out.

Well, it’s a pretty well known wind farm as it’s one of the oldest in the country. I always like to swing by any time I visit Cali to look at the rolling hills of towers it fascinates me.