If a structural battery vehicle is desirable, the panels should be easy to swap in case of someone keying your car and letting the energy that would let a 2 ton vehicle drive 20km in the path of the key.

@@crackedemerald4930 More of an incentive not to key people's cars...

@@doctorthee You could make the case maintainance is easier because the batteries can located in accessible places and be as simple replacing body work, requiring less specialized skill. Currently it seems dangerous with current battery technology, liquid electrolyte batteries are a hazard, solid state which separates the electrodes eliminates many of them with fire retarding electrolytes are another viable option. Though currently they being utilized in the form of structural batteries where load is being distributed though the battery casing as structal member in the subframe. If the batteries are considered a liability you can imagine external sacrificial foam panels protecting which they have the mass budget to add when batteries become "massless".

yea, picturing a cross between a burning phone battery and the hindenberg.

And the 350v electrical conductor with a key.

German Tüv be like

Assuming in the future it'll be all self driving cars No more human error ez pez solution

@@TheRareGamer dude be realistic

@@TheRareGamer by the time we make self driving cars, we won't need cars anymore

The batteries will be layered inside the car, outer layer will be as we know it Today.

Im pretty sure you were overly generous with this estimation (1:10)... although you said "or less" whcich makes you technically correct.

Or just yet. Revolutions take time to show their affects.

This one feels special. Structural batteries solves a lot of problems.

This is tricky stuff. On the one hand, you're absolutely right. On the other hand, well over 90% of the time they end up showing up later than expected as a component to a successful technology. It's good stuff given time

@@darkjill2007 and create a ton more issues like upkeep, cost to produce and the fact your now putting high energy loads in the surface of the car [which is a danger to everyone around them]. Plus they are promising a lot with ''no rare earth elements'', if that where the case I would suspect all battey producers would be jumping at this, which there not. this beggs the question of ''why?'', maybe due to some other issue lol

Was wondering the same thing. If they're embedded in the structure of the vehicle then you've got to basically take the vehicle apart to change the batteries.

And one dent or accidentally breaking up means lithium reaction and fire.

Yeah he need to read Vaclav Smil and dig into negatives, costs, cost comparisons. That’s what drives feasibility

Just like a phone, you buy a new car every three years when it fails to keep a charge.

@@adarshsrivastav2925 There's no lithium in this type of battery. As he said in the beginning: No rare materials required. There are other videos on the subject.

I live in Karachi Pakistan and I like your comment

" I think these batteries have a lot of potential " Hahaha ! pun intended ?....cheers.

Especially when you consider he’s using a Cessna powered by gas and the weight could be reduced further since you don’t have a heavy enjoined in the front

The way it is now if your tesla battery dies better off to buy a whole new car

@@tooljockey2777 Batterys currently last 500k miles. Tesla's new 4680 cells last over 1 million miles so 50 miles every year for 50 years before a battery replacement

50 miles every yeeeaaar

@@lachlanB323 lol 50 miles every year ?? You keep your car as a aesthetic piece or actually use it

Apple iCar. Controlled by a single button, no repairs needed, just buy a new one every 3 years!

A relatively thin structural battery can dissipate heat much better. The problem with conventional Li-Ion battery designs is overheating when they short circuit. As the battery is a compact package, a few overheating cells can start a chain reaction - colloquially known as "fire".

@@michaelrenper796 He didn´t ask about heat-dissipation, he asked about what happens, if someone stabs some holes in several chassis-panels... And the answer is, that the ultra-expensive battery is dead as a whole, and that you can´t even drive off the parking lot now...

@@klausbrinck2137 if someone stabs some holes into your expensive tires, your car cannot drive anymore. Does this happen a lot around where you live? Strange is it. Somehow such things are not a problem.

@@michaelrenper796 I´ve has stabed tires only a couple of times (2) in 25years, always after parking near some school... ;-) I ask myself rather where do you live, is it a gated community? Someone wants to make a "joke", and stabs a tire, u replace it with the spare, and the next day u buy a new for 50€. Not for 1000€.

@@klausbrinck2137 I live in Germany. I don't know anybody who has had his tires stabbed ever. Your argument was silly to start with and replying with made up stories doesn't make it better. Theft are many reasons why massless batteries may not work as expected. No need to bring up bad arguments.

@I love you but it is actually a technical term but can be misleading

@@sadface7457 -- Think-bait then?

@@TlalocTemporal Its to highlight that the mass is in the frame rather then in the battery pack. When you start to account for the different masses the battery pack appears massless.

@@sadface7457 -- Net-massless, yes, but massless with no other qualifiers is either a subatomic particle or a lie. It sounds like a fantastical future tech, but it's more like aircraft wings doubling as the fuel tank.

aah who needs that we all know where we are!

I do like that plucky orchestral music...

Not really there is a lot of people who already have a roof on their house. So its easier to stack a few betteries basement. Especially because the will still be cheaper for a very long time

@@bugfeatures Roofs occasionally need replacing. New houses are being built all the time. California homes rarely have a basement.

Roofing materials and complexity is driven by Cost. Yes this material will be as strong as Aluminum, if the Cost could be brought down to 5x or even 10x the cost of Aluminum that could work.

@@cojav9811 Which is cheaper? 1. Roofing material plus battery. 2. Just battery. Cleary number 2 is cheaper. So if you can use the battery as roofing material, you will save money. Its cost relative to roofing material is somewhat irrelevant. Also the cost of something is material plus labor. I don't see complexity on spreadsheets.

The whole point of this is to manage weight, there's no point in weight reduction for a house. The only thing it would do is hide the batteries while drastically reducing storage capacity.

You have a point in durability in consumer uses In cases of planes, I think that, to make cost lowest, they will invest in extending battery life. I mean, if they can make batteries to last longer, few panels must be replaced, and that drives maintenance costs down. So, there is inventive for some industries to achieve better durability

@@andresramos7965 I agree that there is no way to be certain about the longevity of future batteries, but unless it improves exponentially (and I mean exponentially), the vehicle is likely to outlive the battery and that will provide incentive AGAINST repairing/refurbishing, towards discarding it. Another issue that may arise: how to recycle such batteries? Will it be easier? Will it be harder? No idea, actually. AFAIK, carbon fiber is hard to recycle efficiently. But maybe I'm overthinking this and these structural batteries will merely provide additional strength/stiffness to the main structure in form of (easily) replaceable panels. So the argument comes down to how much will the manufacturer choose to fuse them into the main body. In any case, the name "massless battery" is terrible!

@@andresramos7965 Tesla's 4680 cells last over 1 million miles. That means if you travel 50 miles every day for next 50 years your cars battery would still work

This is why solid state electrolyte is required, not only for strength, but is not flameable, but still it would be easy to short it. And with battery becoming part of structure it mass becoming negative (car have to have enough structural strength without batteries), so maybe not negative as we think, but this structure we have in EV today which is supporting it weight, would be reduce so total mass with batteries would be less than EV without batteries. But I don't know how it would be compare to ICEV because they have engine, transmission, fuel tank (60l of fuel is around 60kg), which required support too.

Yeah. that's why this would be a terrible idea for a car but not a bad idea for an airplane. You crash into something on an airplane, you're dead anyways.

@@m_sedziwoj because the whole aluminium shell is a battery terminal it means you really can't have the batteries in parallel to increase voltage and decrease the current, so imagine what happens when a 100kWh with a sub 100v nominal voltage that doesn't have hundreds of 10-20 amp fuses short circuits, it would become an DC arc welder in no time

@@cj09beira I saw video with solid state battery, and they puncture it with something, and battery still works, so there may be some workaround. But I not expert. As many of us.

@@m_sedziwoj can you share the video

Battery failures in massive crashes still don’t result in fires each battery uses thin wires (at least in Tesla’s) to connect to the rail of series and parallel so when one is damaged the wire fails and the battery doesn’t even get that warm Doing the same in 10cm2 panels would mean that even in a severe crash the chances of fire would be no worse then in a regular electric vehicle, and if each body panel could be easily changed unlike cars now you would be able to fix most of your car literally by unplugging them and plugging in a new one

I have never been in an accident in my life. Maybe you shouldn't drive so recklessly.

@@Mechaneer 1. That's an Ad hominem attack so it's irelevant to the argument. 2. I haven't either ever been in a car accident in my life, but that doesn't mean that they don't happen. I live in a large city and though bad car accidents aren't too common, if the entire car was in flames due to burning batteries we'd likely have even less survivors, and even more closed roads, due to damage to the asphalt from the burning batteries. Batteries burn deceptively hot, to the point where safety experts are scared of car battery fires in underground parking garages, as they possibly burn hot enough the melt the steel beams, which could cause structural instability or even a colapse.

By throwing away the whole item. Stupidity at it's finest.

That's the neat part. You don't

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China has one

@@zachariahstovall1744 -- China also had an EM drive. Look how that turned out.

@@zachariahstovall1744 China even has fusion reactors, quantum tech, CRISPER human tech.

@@TlalocTemporal they have a working prototype

Idd, if these products would hit the market it would be consumerism at it's best. Buying a new vehicle every few years? sure why not? it's great for sales/ the economy! But what about the trash and the environmental impact? I'd rather see more durable products that can easily get repaired instead of this.

A couple of years based on what? I read an article from Australia, a man that used a Tesla as a taxi, 400000km in 3 years, battery was at 93% capacity. If we use this data, and I'm sure most of us don't do 400000 km in 3 years, the car could probably last anywhere from 10 to 20 years

You would also have to keep it cool somehow...

@@MMMM-sv1lk The exterior surface is exposed to a continuous flow of air, especially when the vehicle/plane is in use. So, how is cooling a problem?

@@johnwt7333 that's the problem cars are rarely on the move... They sit under the sun for days, tesla has a cooling system for the batteries that activates when parked under the sun... When the whole car is the battery how are you gonna cool it? While I am posing an objection and a possible hurdle I am not saying it is impossible to cool it down, I believe in science and tech... Let me propose 2 way you could go about it: Did you know zebra stripes cool can cool down a surface sitting under the sun... Biomimicry google it 😊 another solution could be a hose that you hook the car up when parked so the car could sweat through small channels in the car body....

@@MMMM-sv1lk you don't cool it if not in use.

@@johnwt7333 that's wrong, do your research, batteries need to be kept cool in order to survive their expected shelf life...

or social collapse

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Well, this solves the heating problem i guess.

Its a dead end tech, at least for aircraft and cars. Waste of money trying to develope it, kill it.

as it still is a Li-Ion, it should, yes...

I think in time it will get cheaper like the photovoltaic cells today.

Car body panels are not load bearing and therefore material selection is as follows: 1 - cheapest material available 2 - lightest material available All these panels have to do is resist deformation from wind and strike loads which is accomplished by using very high modulus materials if the cost is available. This is why carbon fiber is used on high end cars and race cars - it is expensive but it is the lightest option to resist deformation because of its high modulus. There are other options which are cheaper and similar strength to weight ratio (fibreglass) but they are not used often due to poorer rigidity

@@byronblakey-milner2306, 100% agree. Example: A run-away buggy bumps into a door panel on a car Car with Sheet metal: -Gets a dent Car with Carbon fiber: -Buggy bounces off - No observable damage to the panel

You are falling for the age old scam of "battery insanely good next year, every dream you have is possible"

@@SellTheWorld I think you are replying to the wrong comment mate. I just appreciated the video.

boom, specially with these probably being much lower voltage and much higher current

You may end up with a funnily-shaped battery if the hit doesn't manage to exceed the ultimate tensile strength of the material at some point, in which case you may have a cell with a hole in it which may just disable it, maybe forcing the car to stop using it and a bunch of others that are wired in series with it, so less range until you have that replaced, which may require replacing other good cells that happen to be built into the same part.