Honestly this could perfectly line up with the canon of dragon ball if we excuse Shen’s absent of the flying technique as a way to not attract any attention. Sure flying would be more stealthier but for all we know flying could have altered Roshi quicker by simply sensing his ki possible from the use of the technique since it does require ki control to use.

@@retroskeleton891 yeah I could see there being some justification for it, but ki sensing wasn’t an established ability at this point. Not to say Shen would have no reason to be cautious just by virtue of knowing Roshi was there as well, it just feels odd with the rest of the arc’s set up. Honestly kinda wish the event had happened in canon just because that would probably get us a real fight scene out of it, which would be pretty cool because we don’t know too much on Shen besides the fact either he or Tao invented the dodon ray along with a few other extremely powerful ki techniques, and may be some of the last people to actually know the tri-beam/kikoho. I think a fight between Shen and Goku or Shen and Roshi would’ve been interesting and not having it is a bit of a waste, just like I also think Roshi getting rid of Shen while he was distracted was a wasted potential when king Piccolo makes himself known immediately after the tournament. Since Shen and Roshi are the only two surviving students of Mutaito and were part of the original fight against king Piccolo, it would have been a good opportunity to force them to end their rivalry, even if temporarily, and join forces against their common enemy. Idk, I think Shen and Tao are some of the most wasted potentials out of any characters in the series just because they made a counterpart of and rival to Roshi but never really dug deeper into that. It’s kind of like how I feel about Raditz, the gave goku a brother and just didn’t care to expand on that premise? Idk, I always wished we saw more of them, and I DEFINITELY wish we saw more of Tao beyond him just quickly falling into a gag where he’s scared of goku and can get one shot by any given Saiyan. Tao was a prodigy martial artist who got turned into a cyborg, sure he’s never gonna be able to catch up to goku because goku is just destined to be OP, but if they were gonna bring him back the way they did, they could’ve stood to make him pose a greater threat to other characters because otherwise it’s just an early version of how dirty golden Frieza is done. Cyborg Frieza getting bodied by future trunks was interesting because it introduced a new character and showed immediately where he stood in terms of raw power, but Cyborg Tao and Golden Frieza didn’t really add to anything because they were talked up as being multitudes more powerful than they were before, and it’s a good set up to get the audience excited about the return of a popular villain in a new form. Making them a non-threat to the already established main characters is just a bit boring because why bother even bringing them back at all? Sorry this got way too long, I have a lot of strong feelings about wasted potential with dragon ball characters and dragon ball just generally moving away from victory going to the one with the best technique and instead just immediately being a win for whichever Saiyan is around that day by virtue of their beam attack being stronger than the villain’s. The solution to every villain slowly becoming “goku got a new transformation and a power level of ten billion now” stopped being rewarding after cell imo. Just kinda no stakes.

Tao couldn’t fly but he was shens brother. I don’t think toriyama thought of flying yet

@@Chugargonfan it was like one episode away from Chiaotzu and Tien flying so I kinda doubt that. Tao couldn’t fly because he’s a petty bastard and doesn’t get along with Shen or like actually learning from him because Tao thought he already had everything figured out. He used pillars and such to get around likely just to prove he was self sufficient and didn’t need to rely on his brother’s technique, that’s probably also why he’s more sparing with the dodon ray in combat and only resorted to it when goku destroyed his outfit and later when he was starting to get pushed into a corner by goku in their second fight.

@@TakkuriHimare Well flying (at this point) seems to cost a large amount of power. When Tien lifted Goku out of King Piccolos attack later in the story, it did cost him all he had left. So maybe Shen was just preserving his energy, as long as he didnt get any advantage of his flying ability, using it more as a trump card.

It gave the chinese a light, but then they brushed them aside in DBZ by being irrelevant side characters.

@@TheChosen-of4lb that’s the kind of supportive affirmation I could use from my mentors!

@@TakkuriHimareGod loves you

I can't believe it was opened while he slept

That's a constant up to early Z! Nappa was much easier to keep up with on the ground, albeit still a monster! Their application of the flying technique without pairing it up with high strength gravity training meant they couldn't use their full land speed in the air! Once however fighters were using their ki control and training enhance their movements consistently by land or air, this becomes a non issue later on! The wide breadth of techniques with strengths and weaknesses is something that pre android saga Dragon Ball was great at

When flying went from being a myth to reality in dragon ball.

I bet Toriyama took inspiration from some old man. When you're old your eyes deteriorate and the sun bothers a lot 😂

@@Destroyers007 True, you are correct, never thought of that.

@@Destroyers007 Sonic's run? Sonic the Hedgehog? This predates Sonic by several years!

​@@Destroyers007bruh sonic is from 1991 and dragonball 1984. When you are tired then do it right

I swear you lot just smooth brain and dont read the context behind it lmao. I'm saying goku was doing sonics run before him y'all are too dumb to read context obviously

...the worst type of dweeb is a wrong dweeb.

so made up*

​@@weirdface1846Much prefer my work to be localized and not just translated tbh.

@@Vespyr_ enjoy being misinformed then

​@@weirdface1846enjoy being yourself.

@@RelaxingNostalgia i will. i will enjoy being right

There really is a certain charm that wasn’t really recaptured again in Z. I haven’t watched super yet but I can see a lot more characters that aren’t taken as seriously as the Z characters were, I think super was trying to recapture some of the original’s whimsy.

@TakkuriHimare ever since they made dbs, they really put much details, but you said you haven't seen it. I won't spoil that's something you'll have to see for yourself.

@@karatedee I look forward to keeping an eye out for that sort of thing! I know super has had a lot of mixed reviews, but I want to see for myself.

@TakkuriHimare Take as much time as you need.

​@TakkuriHimare GT brought back some of the originals charm back even though many seem to disown GT

LIES!

@@SunGodSe ?

@@paladin8052 yeah for some reason. Maybe he’s paranoid about goku staring at him in his sleep and realizing he’s Jackie Chun. Maybe he just forgets. We just don’t know. Crane takes his off to sleep because he’s a murderer sure but he’s not deranged like Roshi.

They're his night shades.

@@GodlyNib you’ve heard of sleep masks? Now get ready for the more deranged and breakable alternative.

If you ask him, he'll say that's none of your business.

He wears his sunglasses at night.🎶🎶 (80's song if you get it)

@@Taunch wait them all having matching pajamas would be really cute….

@@Jays_dead_cat i liked it yeah.

Shut up

I was thinking the same thing. Yes, everybody knows that Ultra Instinct was far from a concept yet, but I personally think it's amusing to imagine that moments like these retroactively suggest that its power was always dormant inside Goku to some capacity. At the very least, I think that's better than just saying that Goku avoided death by dumb luck.

@@gurvmlk I felt existed when he turned making Master Crane think that was lucky!

@@DamontheDemon7 Frieza and Cell should’ve just waited until goku was sooooooo sleepy tired and they could’ve got him off guard.

@@TakkuriHimare To be fair, Cell *did* technically kill Goku (but not on purpose).

@@auditect950 I would argue goku technically killed himself as a way to pass the torch to his son. Cell’s intended target was Gohan, not goku, and he failed at killing his primary target repeatedly.

@@TakkuriHimare That's true.

Piccolo killed goku against his brother right?​@TakkuriHimare

Happy end of stolzmonat

Goku is not invincible in Z neither, remember his first DEATH is at the beginning of DBZ. Matter of fact, Goku had more plot armor as a kid.

@@Heat7208 You didnt realize Gokus death was never an actual "death" since everyone know from the beginning he will get resurrected with the dragonballs? His reviving was even planed like 2 years earlier, they left him propusefully in "heaven" so he can train better. So actually it doesnt count as an "death" like you have a death in other shows where protogonists didnt get revivev in 100% of all cases.

@@binixx think it was mainly roshi that made him ditch tbh. He would be crazy outnumbered if all three of them retaliated since Roshi’s as strong as he is, goku is more physically powerful than Shen but less experienced so he could probably take goku if he was alone or caught off guard, krillin is similar in strength and skill to goku and Shen knew that from watching the tournament. He lost the element of surprise when goku woke up and started yelling, not much of an assassination if everyone wakes up. Pretty sure he mainly ran to get goku to chase him and get separated from Roshi. He definitely wasn’t running from krillin when they were all outside.

It was a stealth mission

​@@TakkuriHimarekrillin IS definitely the weakest Here, Not saying Hes weak though

@@gameking8809 he’s weaker on his own, but working well in sync with goku can make for a formidable team and make it much harder to get a kill on goku.

shen would destroy krillin

@@shadowx2652 chuck’s Pilaf mimics his 17 too sometimes which is always a bit funny lol.

@@TakkuriHimare well damn😅 but i was thinking about that

@@dusttoh8927 I think he just did it for aesthetic I’ll b so real.

Maybe he didn’t want to make excessive noises, seeing he was in close proximity to the target.

@@cody_king1994 yeah he’s gotta have eyedrops. I hope.

@@ghostmobiil just a lil guy

@@jackson3475 yep. He doesn’t move it very much in dragon ball either, but it’s always been a real eye. He can move all three eyes independently from each other which he uses in combat to keep track of fast opponents or anyone using the afterimage technique. It’s kinda creepy to watch him do that but hey if it works it works I guess. He never really blinks his third eye and it mainly just stares straight ahead unless he’s really invested in something. When he sleeps his third eye keeps watch to keep him from being ambushed.

Keeping track of fast opponents would have came in handy against Nappa or Cell kinda but, that’s more blamed on power creep.

@@stephvondames6369 tbf tien had second form cell pretty handled with his kikoho lmao. Didn’t last just because that’s a technique that kills you a little more every time it’s used, but he did pretty crazy with that for what his power was at that point relative to Cell. I personally have always stood by the fact Piccolo and Tien should’ve been able to last at least a little longer against Nappa and do some real damage before goku got there, but toriyama wanted there to be hard stakes and deaths reminiscent of the king piccolo arc.

@@TakkuriHimarein db goku exposed a weakness of the extra eye and relying on his vision. In dbz and tail end of db they learned to sense energy which is better than using your eyes sooo yeah.

@@d-manthecaptain1382 it could be! It’s a pretty common trope, but it’s definitely not impossible.

@@DungeonShinobi word.

@@thepencil448 goku here is I believe 15 or 16, gohan fought cell when he was 13 or younger iirc. Gohan kinda goes insane.

@@danielfletcher8491 he was following them around like all day trying to get to Roshi, he probably had a pretty good idea by that point.

@@ENNEN420 for fun enrichment (and because flying was a waste of ki if overused at this part of the story, it wasn’t something anyone could do without using energy and he knew goku was strong enough to kill Tao so he wasn’t gonna waste ki on flying before the fight even started)

@@Romuluz369 he just woke up he’s too sleepy what if he flew into a wall smh.

@@strawberrysodas3433 think you know why.

@@TakkuriHimare FROWN!

@@TakkuriHimareAW HELLL NAWW! HE IS LITERALLY LIVING WITH 2 KIDS!!!

@@CookerX32 he only agreed to train those kids if they let him look at their also underaged friend naked and touch her boobs he ain’t above it Roshi is a FREAK.

He was born like that

@@grimsgraveyard3598 Tien is a half-human, half-triclops giant hybrid and has a third eye due to the latter. His third eye is almost always opened even while the others are closed and does seem primarily as a way to keep a close eye on opponents or other threats, so yeah.

You see, at that time China was doing its own nuclear bomb tests under guidance from Soviet Russia... long story.

@@DF-ss5ep no I think tenshinhan was just born like that cause of his triclops parent

@@strawberrysodas3433 Interesting. I hope they got some sort of compensation from the Chinese politburo.

@@arunjames6494 I feel like if goku wants this to happen less he has to be quieter about bringing up people he’s drop kicked live grenades into the faces or.

@@ljpal18 idk bc we never do end up seeing Crane fight in dragon ball. His little brother almost killed goku and only failed bc his dodon ray was blocked by a dragon ball. It’s never really specified how strong Crane is relative to other characters but he’s probably at least as strong as Roshi at this point, and krillin and goku would have a hard time taking him on even at this stage.

@@tonystarke9820 yeah and he does fly next arc he shows up, guess he just wasn’t feelin it here.

@@falconeshield it’s from the original dragon ball, not to be confused with Dragon Ball Z. But even still I feel like a lot of people forget most of the tien arc bc it’s immediately overshadowed by how crazy the king piccolo arc starts. Unfortunate bc this is one of my favorite dragon ball arcs.

@@remideglave8124 no it’s ok they managed to potty train him.

@@Farmerb1985 at this specific part of the story I don’t think it would be very easy for goku. Crane is about as skilled and powerful as Roshi, who goku would struggle to best at this point of the story. Goku would’ve probably won this one because krillin was there to back him up, but if Tien had decided to back Crane, it’d be over for those kiddos.

@@TakkuriHimare so true

⁠@@TakkuriHimareHonestly that’s pretty true. Considering this guy is on the same level of skill of Master Roshi then Goku would have a tuff time fighting him since his actively going for the kill unlike Roshi.

@@retroskeleton891 yeah and crane isn’t really the kind of guy to play fair either. It would’ve probably been a cool fight and having goku go up against the brother of the assassin he (accidentally) killed would’ve also just been a cool character development moment. Like maybe goku didn’t fully realize the greater implications and consequences of killing bad people because he didn’t conceptualize the idea that those bad people are still people with families and loved ones who would be hurt by it, it would also be a great way to confront crane on his hypocrisy being that he and Tao have killed countless people for profit or convenience themselves without caring who is left behind but are (understandably) still devastated by one of their own being killed in self defense. I feel like it would make a bit more narrative sense to try to redeem crane in the long run just because he has a lot of backstory related to the events of the piccolo sagas and he and Roshi would have an immediate common enemy. Honestly Shen may have even just let it go if they told him about the dragon balls being able to bring Tao back, then a nice surprise that Tao wasn’t even dead and could also at least temporarily team up with goku to help resolve piccolo’s revival. Like yeah it’s weird to redeem murderers and all that, but goku becomes best friends with Tien, Piccolo, and Vegeta anyway, all of which fully and enthusiastically killed people. Goku even gives Frieza a chance, it wouldn’t be out of step with dragon ball’s story telling imo. It’s just forever weird to me that Shen isn’t involved with the fight against king piccolo when the narrative mentions repeatedly how he and Roshi fought against piccolo together back in the day. A missed set up.

Master Shen's power level is around 125. Goku here is about 150-180 so yes goku is technically stronger then master shen in this scene but shen is still strong enough to give goku a hard time and he can also fly.

@@cb8655 it’s because they were in the middle of a tournament and Tien knocked Yamcha out and then broke his leg even after he’d won just to be a hater so goku was pretty mad. Yamcha was one of his best friends.

@@TakkuriHimare That’s definitely what happened… sadly it doesn’t mean that anything gets better or good for Yamcha from this point on.

@@cb8655 yeah Yamcha is already on his L catcher arc

Don't speak about my wife like that.

@@justinw7323 honestly his training with korin basically gave him an early form of UE. That’s how he defeated Tao, using the same principle of sensing his opponent’s moves before they happen and reacting automatically. It’s probably why in the context of this scene he rolls over when he does.

Well, remember he did beat Toa, and was basically past roshi at this point. I think he would have won. Tien was stronger than crane, and goku stronger than roshi. He would have won most likely. The only thing is the old masters got trickery, so who knows honestly tho. 😂

@@danielperoverde1998 it would really depend tbh. Having to deal with goku AND krillin would have probably done Shen in, but if it was 1v1 it would probably be a lot closer. Shen isn’t THAT much less strong than goku, and his fighting style is based on pressure points and dodging/redirecting attacks less than it’s about physical strength. If he could immobilize goku just long enough to use the kikoho I think it’s curtains for little baby goku here. I doubt Shen would have any problem risking killing himself if it meant successfully avenging Tao.

@@TakkuriHimare I thought so aswell. i always thaught he is about as strong as roshi but a much more vicious fighter

@@danielperoverde1998 Roshi but if Roshi would kill you for a corn chip.

@@alexiachimciuc3199 yeah unless there was another anime that did it even earlier. Might also just be how ninjas were portrayed in movies and such prior to DB.

It was invented by actual ninjas in ancient Japan. Used to run more quietly.

@@CrizzyEyes 😆🤣

@@alexiachimciuc3199 I don't understand, what's so funny? Do you really think that this cultural idea was invented from whole cloth and came out of nowhere? Why do ignorant people always feel like they're the smartest person in the room?

@@CrizzyEyes what?

@@Eyezthrulies I hate this comment bc I literally cannot tell if it’s satire or not bc this website produces the weirdest takes on the planet

@@TakkuriHimare Uh no he actually did, as well as many others. There comes a point in which if anime wants to keep going they will have to worship Satan in there animes. This is very real, and was never a coincidence he named Hercule, Mr Satan, and he drove a vehicle with 666 on the vehicle.

@@Eyezthrulies you’re either trolling, a Mormon, or like 7 years old. Which is it tell me now please?

@@TakkuriHimare Are you trying to say none of that happened?

@@Eyezthrulies toriyama wasn’t worshipping Satan, people in Japan dgaf about Christianity or Satan any more than you know/care abt Shintoism or Buddhism. If he was worshipping Satan he wouldn’t have named a gag character whose whole point is that he’s weak and pathetic after him. Your paranoia is why they had to name him Hercule in the dub, Legit how do you go outside if you’re that scared of hearing the word satan in a 40yo cartoon.

@@theofficialliedetector1545 15yo killed his brother, I think most ppl would have beef about that regardless of who did it 💀

His brother is kind of a murderous thug, this is not a small detail.

@@classicgameplay10 well yeah but so is Shen, that doesn’t mean he didn’t love his little brother lol.

@@TakkuriHimare That's the problem with some assholes. They'll slide for each other, even if they know they got what they deserved.

@@EmptyMan000 I feel like a lot of people would be upset you killed one of their close family members even if that family member was in fact an asshole.

Yeah this one was dubbed in 2004 I think? Somewhere in that era, dubbing companies didn’t really take themselves too seriously until a few years later. The dub of the original dragon ball came out almost 20 years after DBZ was dubbed and I think they used the same Funi actors for both and there didn’t seem to be that much direction. It’s kinda fun though, definitely just something you just get used to after a few episodes.

Yes I know.

It adds an extra layer of nostalgia with that campy charm in my opinion.

@@SaiyanInTraining It’s less about campy and more how it’s all worded, executed and how the interactions are stitched together.

Far better than most of Z pre-Kai, but yeah still stumbling along the way. It wasn’t till 05’ when the general quality of anime dubs got better.

@@iamthe1whowillbringpeace316 I have terrible news for you about Puar and Korin then, buddy. General yellow(?) was a tiger man. Dragon Ball has always had furries and cat people. Not sure what him being a cat has to do with anything. Cell is a cicada that drinks people through his tail.

Complaining about animal characters in DB is wild

@@DoomKid yeah for they been here since chapter one 💀

I agree. I'm glad original dragon ball never had cats or other animal characters.

I'm very happy that the president in dragon ball is a human man and not something silly. Like a dog man. What a silly name like furry, even.