Masterclass in Tbilisi Georgia 2006. Class of Maestro Andguladze:Ucha Abuadze. Masterclass conducted by Franco Tenelli
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@mildredgrossman565310 жыл бұрын
he is singing in his throat, it is not open, he is not relying on his diaphragm. proper use of diaphragm, the notes float out. working the diaphragm is not easy, you really have to work at it. tenelli is giving good direction.
@cashmerecat92693 жыл бұрын
Any mentor teaches humming, run away immediately..
@delosreyesgavikanes9 жыл бұрын
Mr. Tenelli is correct 100%, but this tenor sounds has a real 'caprino' voice, which that can be corrected with vocalizos doing straight tones in the low and medium range of the voice. I would like to meet Mr/ Tenelli.
@AntW1111 жыл бұрын
Very good coaching.
@craigdav974011 жыл бұрын
Pretty good! I am not a professional but I luv opera and use to consult different geneous sengers, he has to connect his head voice with the somehow deepened chest voice so that the color becomes more attractive! and, undoubtedly this maestro will help him. And I think that better is sounding great than vibrating quickly! Keep it up-singing is one of the most demanding professions!!!
@kkwilson2711 жыл бұрын
Very nice!
@nelglezmusic2 жыл бұрын
I was dying to hear the resonance black joke. It was cut out the video. 🙄
@hanj314 жыл бұрын
The fast scale warm up looks like a good one for most microphone tenor singers. It seems like it would help me out and any tenor can take up what ever high note he sings. Most microphone singing tenors have a strong powerful voice. I think I can take this up to an Eb above high C. I can definitely hit higher notes than that but don’t need them most of the time and I don’t think taking it any higher will help.
@TenelliVoiceGuru11 жыл бұрын
I wonder how he sounds now in 2013, and I think if he improves his issues he will be a first class singer in his FACH
@Markinsky11 жыл бұрын
There is improvement in the later video but I can still hear some of the same issues. He is not really able to bloom in the upper register, he sounds tight- which is a support issue. This blooming effect and being able to "sail" in the upper register is what appogio is doing for me-much of which I have learned from your videos.
@markcastrillo714111 жыл бұрын
hey :D im a baby lyric tenor lol :D i just stared to take opera lessons, so i hope all goes well, i loved that the student is a lyric tenor, since im one and i could learn from this, :D
@stone81936 жыл бұрын
It's not good to try and identify your voice type when you're just beginning. You can't know your biological voice type until you have a certain technical development
@justinbrasfield64174 жыл бұрын
Mr. Tenelli gives good advice here.
@indradhanush5444 Жыл бұрын
It's not a piece of cake ...very very hard to learn ..iam learning same aria ...ha ha ha ..wish me luck 🤞
@EminGuliyevVIRTUALAND10 жыл бұрын
I think this vibrato is due to his singing in throat - or am I mistaken ?
@hamb47 жыл бұрын
He must get the sound out of his nose. I he the maestro would have him hold his nose when he is singing, he would achieve the sound needed. Although one needs the nasal passages to be opened, the sound cannot be in the nose. You loose the sonority of tone or rather the partials that make the note you sing. Plus it is not a easy on the ear. Whom ever this man studied with, should have known better. PINCH HIS NOSE. The Tenor has to rethink what it means to sing. If you'd listen carefully, there are moments when the true voice tries to come forward, but he is bound and determined to put the sound in his nose. He will not last as a singer if he continues in that vein.
@singermanz5 жыл бұрын
The caprino quality sounds like a young lauri volpi at times! super fun to hear these qualities, even if they don't meet today's aesthetic or technical expectation. If he had perfect Lauri Volpi technique, and still sounded caprino, I wouldn't mind at all.
@vinocabintoy724910 жыл бұрын
Sounds good but i thnk theres too much pressure on the neck trying to color his masked sounds... and support is coming only from the upper chest?? Since A is his fav vowl then i guess we can pull the ee from A on his warm up exercse? A first then Ee i mean...
@SlavKulikov6 жыл бұрын
хороший маэстро... очень хороший.... у ученика нет ни груди, ни эволюции голоса, мой педагог сказал бы поёт как напильником по железу работает, а надо петь как бы бархатом .... а материал у ученика шикарнейший....
@TheOwnedd10 жыл бұрын
this vibrato ..
@Psychopathis9 жыл бұрын
Ivailo Ivanoff good or bad?
@TheOwnedd8 жыл бұрын
not so good
@ctangkau8 жыл бұрын
caprino vibrato a.k.a "goat-like"
@hgkwbsx76 жыл бұрын
are you kidding? his vibrato is aweful.
@SlavKulikov6 жыл бұрын
А так, да ... видео оч хорошее ... вспомнились уроки с соим педагогом .... много ума не надо, чтоб в комментах полить грязью ученика и Учителя .... сами - то и звука небось нормального издать не могут ..... скромнее комментаторам надо быть ....
@EliseoBarjauorfeo9 жыл бұрын
El maestro debiera principiar su clase dando ejemplo de como canta antes de poner a vocalizar a sus alumnos...
@SlavKulikov4 жыл бұрын
мастер звуковедения очень хороший, но голос ученика подрехтован уже до этого другими учителями....у маэстро одно звуковедение, а у "ученика" другое.....очень правильное замечание насчёт расслабления челюсти....можно сказать гениальное замечание....это ключ лично для меня прохождения голоса в грудь....маэстро интуитивно основываясь на своем опыте и школе хочет помочь ученику....но он мало податлив....маэстро шикарно говорит на русском.....
@TenelliVoiceGuru11 жыл бұрын
He is obviouisly from a placement school of singing and has Caprino(fast vibrato) though he was quick to improve. If you check out his Lamento di Frederico from Monserat Caballe competition(link provided in the video) you'll see his improvement(Better vibrato and support)
@tenorcarloscol11 жыл бұрын
Maestro, I'll send you a video response where i'm singing "Una furtiva lagrima". I already had sent you another video in the past. I hope you can watch it. Thanks.
@A_Muzik11 жыл бұрын
What are the cons of mask resonance? Because back in college, I've heard a great deal about singing in the mask being important.
@stone81936 жыл бұрын
AJ Muzik see my reply to timliu above
@carlodigiacomo84199 жыл бұрын
vorrei sapere se ha mai studiato il maestro.
@elizabethmaedammann52835 жыл бұрын
This rendition is torturous to listen to. The Caprino (vibrato) really sounds like the bleating of a goat.
@ciociosan Жыл бұрын
Chill. It’s a class.
@stone81936 жыл бұрын
Wow, his tongue is much less in control than his breath! So fascinating
@nojusvytis79554 жыл бұрын
the E sound i too nazel,
@iankaye11805 жыл бұрын
This student is not ready for master class instruction. I DO NOT KNOW IF THIS STUDENT HAS ANOTHER VOICE TEACHER ,AND TENELLI IS MEETING HIM FOR THE FIRST TIME OR THIS IS A STUDENT OF TENELLI. AT ANY RATE, HE NEEDS TO BE TAUGHT HOW TO USE HIS DIAPHRAGM ,CHEST, RIBS, LOWER LARYNX TO SUPPORT THE VOICE. TENELLI EXCELLENT SOUND SUPPORT AND PLACEMENT IS TO KNOW AVAIL IF THE STUDENT DOESN'T HAVE BODY SUPPORT TRAINING TO ACHIEVE WHAT TENELLI IS CORRECTLY INSTRUCTING. HE CURRENTLY IS USING HIS THROAT MUSCLES FOR SUPPORT. HOPE SOMEONE CAN FIX THIS PROBLEM, BECAUSE THE YOUNG TENOR HAS A PLEASING VOICE AND GOOD PERFORMANCE INSTINCTS. IAN KAYE
@tenellifranco5 жыл бұрын
:) It was just a masterclass, I never met him before
This young tenor will need quite some work to connect his voice with diaphramatic support. He is also probably using his upper chest as support. Very nice instrument though.
@claudiaverhoeven83779 жыл бұрын
he sings very welBut he needs more open, the Dolly valve in his throatThan he s going singing like CarusoThe lessons of Mastro Tenelli are unaffortableThank you very much Mastro
@sqg39518 жыл бұрын
The Maestro is trying to teach an excellent sound that i nevertheless find very different from those of singers such as Florez, Polenzani, or Brownlee, to name a few. Are they not singing correctly? They seems to me two different kinds of sounds, so I wonder if these are two different schools of singing? This maestro, and the singing of singers I just named?
@Jacob-ry3lu8 жыл бұрын
Singers like Brownlee and florez sing in a much "headier" voice, and don't sing with the full power of the chest compared to older singers. This is what is generally taught in universities today, and both Brownlee and Florez studied in american universities. If you listen to old tenors of the past (Caruso, Gigli, Corelli, etc.) you'll hear that their voice is built off of the chest voice and they have a distinct ring to their sound. Some say the way singers are taught today is flatout incorrect, others say its just a stylistic difference. I prefer the classic chiaroscuro sound, but whatever you prefer is up to you.
@stone81936 жыл бұрын
The difference is singers like brownlee and Florez have technical issues of their own...caprino, tiny voices, artificially making their sound smaller than it is to try and add grace to their voice because their voice is out of balance. Listen to Schipa. He had a naturally smaller voice than both of them, yet has a MUCH bigger singing voice with MUCH MUCH MUCH superior resonance and projection like a laser beam.
@ssr60363 жыл бұрын
@Alf Zay No, they came from the same school of singing, especially Gigli and Caruso. They all have their own variations, tricks that they used and way of explaining their technique, but the foundation is the same. They just had different size voices and a different color to their voices. Gigli and Caruso for examples sound very similar, Gigli's voice just wasn't as big and dark as Caruso's was, but that dosen't mean the technique was all that different. Caruso was also obsessed with breathing and developed enormous breathing power which has an effect on the color of the voice and impact on how far the larynx lower. Earlier on his, voice was not so dark. Corelli had a mixture of influence from people like Melocchi and Lauri Volpi but it all pretty much leads to the same Italian chiaro scuro way of singing which is highly dependant on diaphragmatic support combined with the clear and resonant diction of the Italian language which is formed in that "u" vowel position. I'm not really sure what all this talk of chest tones and head tones etc are, at the end of the day the voice shouldn't be pushed in to either one of those areas. There is no voice in the chest or in the head, it's in the throat. The air and the pronunciation of vowels do the rest of the work to get the voice up in to the mask so that it resonates out and is squillante.
@ssr60363 жыл бұрын
@Alf Zay Yes I agree, Caruso started as a very unpromising singer and even in to his late 20's was still struggling with his high notes. What I'm saying though, is that the eventual richness and size of his voice that was later produced is a result of his obsession with breathing. Gigli had a smaller voice, but their techniques, the way in which they produced their sound were not all that different. Verismo is a style, it is not a technique. Caruso had a larger and darker voice, so was more suited for that style of singing, especially in his later years. Gigli did not have the type of voice suited to those roles, although he did do things like Aida and Pagliacci etc. Again though, that doesn't mean they produced their sounds that differently form one another. When I listen to Gigli, I hear lighter Caruso. How would you describe the difference in the way the sang technically?
@ssr60363 жыл бұрын
@Alf Zay Yes, belcanto isn't a technique either it's a style of singing. These have nothing to do with how the voice is produced. Again, all this talk of head tones etc really dosen't make any sense. You never use the head (or the chest). I think what you mean is Caruso engaged his diaphragm a lot more than Gigli, which is probably correct, firstly because his breathing muscles were probably much stronger due to his obsession with breathing, and secondly because he sang music that required more use of the diaphragm. But that is really a stylistic thing, still has nothing to do with how they produce their sound. Gigli was famous for his softer singing, which he even explained was not necessary to use the full force of the diaphragm for, that dosen't mean he couldn't sing those same phrases in full voice with the full function of his diaphragm, it was a stylistic choice that he made. Caruso also sang beautifully soft. Listen to him sing una furtive Lagrima and then listen to Gigli, apart from a better quality recording and a voice that isn't as rich in color, they arn't all that different. Tell me what the difference is?
@Timliu928 жыл бұрын
I am not a classical singer, so can anyone explain me why nasal resonance is not allowed in opera/classical singing, as based on what this video tells us?
@Timliu927 жыл бұрын
That helps a lot man. Thanks for the explanation!
@johnheiserman80157 жыл бұрын
When you sing with true nasality your soft palate lowers which is bad in classical singing technique to sing classically the nasal passages should be blocked by your raised soft palate.
@stone81936 жыл бұрын
Because it's not resonant. In normal balanced speaking resonance, you naturally have airflow from your mouth and nose for appropriate consonants that require more nasality such as n, m, ng etc. when we speak in a normal balanced speaking voice this balance of airflow is natural, but this is not mouth or nose RESONANCE. We don't RESONATE sound in the nose in normal speech, which leads to the next point: The majority of resonance of sound is in the 3 parts of the pharynx and the vocal tract itself. The upper most part of the pharynx is the nasopharynx, or pharynx behind the nose. So, sound is not resonated in the nose but rather in the pharynx. You may look up images of the pharynx online. It's impossible to resonate the sound in the nose without heavy constriction of the voice, and the nose itself how it is shaped is not a good resonator for the voice. The result is resonating the sound in the nose, as the pupil demonstrates gets both choked, poorly resonated with a weak blend of harmonics that are bright but also not intense enough to cut, and an unattractive sound. "Mask resonance" is also something that needs clarification. There is a false and true mask resonance. The resonance I described above of the pharynx is true mask resonance, and when done correctly will not have a sensation of the voice being placed anywhere. As in, you won't feel it being placed anywhere or you won't feel symptomatic buzzing in the face, because all of the air is resonated and turned into sound that projects outward. The false mask occurs when the singer constricts or tightens some part of the vocal mechanism that leads the air to be trapped inside the face, creating a sensation of buzzing in the face. How the vocal mechanism is constricted usually does boost some higher frequencies which does give the voice some cut, but in the process also constricts the voice and creates metallic hard sound and also noise that kills some of your beautiful overtones and also you lose the openness and freedom of the sound. It typically yields either a caprino or wobble as well. Kraus has this technique, and you hear a slight wobble even in his youth and prime, and the sound is slightly trapped and not as free; you hear the sound is trapped a bit in the face and doesn't project as much outward freely. It is stuffy, as if he has a cold. The optimal method of boosting the higher frequencies involve modifying the vocal tract in ways that do not attempt to place the air anywhere nor constrict the voice with tension or excess muscular engagement. Two of the means I know are singing on an ee vowel, and closing the aryepiglottic sphincter (which to an extent makes the voice smaller and more focused like a laser, but this is why opera sings too with low larynx, to counterbalance this, as a low larynx increased lower pharyngeal resonance and size of vocal tract which adds darkness and size to the voice. In optimal resonance, the voice is not placed anywhere. At least, one does not ever get the feeling of the voice buzzing or resonating anywhere. However, a bel canto mental trick is imagining resonating from behind the eyes. Don't ask me why it works, but once you master the feeling of the invisible voice, imagine then resonating from behind the eyes and you will gain more color of the upper harmonics If you are a keen thinker, you may then observe that highest level operatic singing is quite like normal talking. When we speak, we do not place the sound anywhere, and we do not feel our voice if we are speaking with healthy technique. We might feel our voice in our vocal cords- but when we learn to support the voice, this feeling vanishes, and we are left with only the subtle sensations of modification to the vocal tract itself for optimum resonance. But the actual feeling of vibration or buzzing or resonating anywhere in the body vanishes. The voice is invisible. We sing as we speak is a bel canto truth. Except in opera we sing with intense air pressure at all times, a modified vocal tract, and a low larynx. Which brings me to my last point. Guru tenelli is a fantastic singer, however he also pulls the larynx down too much in an artificial manner. There's another bel canto truth that says, do not move it unless the breath moves it (this applies to everything except the subtle modifications to the vocal tract). With a certain method of inhale, the larynx naturally will lower quite a lot without needing to pull it down. If the singer pulls it down artificially, it naturally engages the swallow muscles underneath the chin, which should not tense up at all, as it obviously adds tension to the voice and will add, as Pavarotti said, a bit of a mucous kind of sound. The throat, tongue, lower jaw, and muscles under the chin should all feel invisible, except for the subtle modifications to the vocal tract that when done correct will not add tension, but rather boost incredibly the harmonics of the voice for apparently up to 600% increase in perceived volume
@JK-zl1uu4 жыл бұрын
@@stone8193 where have you got these precious knowledge? Your explanation is perfect. But I would like to add one thing which is when we align our posture in a proper form, the larynx naturally gets lower and fixed. We can do this simply by pulling our chin and head backward.
@pablottalonso78787 жыл бұрын
Woowww...Minute 19:59...the student got the idea...
@nthdegree126911 жыл бұрын
That lyric needs work, but he has a great sound to work with.
@giuseppecali67216 жыл бұрын
Studiare studiare studiare ..
@Monnarchmonnarchy5 жыл бұрын
Come? COME??? MIERDA... Aiutami
@EliseoBarjauorfeo9 жыл бұрын
Controvertido...
@MiguelJimenez-un4rm4 жыл бұрын
Not everyone can be a great tenor...
@user-sz2mq6tp8q5 жыл бұрын
Очень понятно , чего хочет маэстро, просто можно понемногу дать парню упражнения, которые переделают его неправильные вокальные привычки. и не трогать произведения. Больше толку будет. потому, что в пропевании арии один и тот же недостаток- зажатая глотка, и наработанный шаблон мешает певцу. на одном уроке, конечно- капля в море. но! если парень поймет, что надо иаправлять , будет замечательно петь.
@Dadacomero9 жыл бұрын
lol
@giuseppegabriele44616 жыл бұрын
sei un tenore leggero hai una bella voce ma hai un difetto grave il suono è nasale devi cantare più di petto il suono deve essere in corda prova a cantare da baritono
@stardust43798 жыл бұрын
тремоло а не вибрато
@tatjanalehnhardt-niederste9987 Жыл бұрын
Тенор спел всё на горле и помочь невозможно масса неправильных мышц надежда на природу....
@singermanz5 жыл бұрын
can't stand it when audience members sing along. Tenelli is spot on with this voice. It's so "placed" in the mask. The voice cannot be placed. The voice exists in the bottom of the throat. Done.
@ginoesma44256 жыл бұрын
doesnt sound like a lyric tenor lol.
@ak-yerkekurmanbekova4046 жыл бұрын
Это не аибрато, это следствие зажатости и напряжения. Нет хорошей опоры, челюсть, плечи и спина зажаты. Головной резонатор не включен. Певцу нужно переучиваться.
@Monnarchmonnarchy5 жыл бұрын
А как надо петь? Есть какая-то литература?
@user-co6qk3hl9z3 жыл бұрын
@@Monnarchmonnarchy Морозов - Искусство резонансного пения.
@peterlundgren80906 жыл бұрын
Terrible!
@ak-yerkekurmanbekova4046 жыл бұрын
Невозможно слушать.
@user-hx8pi3bs5x2 жыл бұрын
Я в дУше лучше пою))
@mikehopkins40402 жыл бұрын
Poor video.
@vinocabintoy724910 жыл бұрын
Sounds good but i thnk theres too much pressure on the neck trying to color his masked sounds... and support is coming only from the upper chest?? Since A is his fav vowl then i guess we can pull the ee from A on his warm up exercse? A first then Ee i mean...