Masterclass with Steve Albini

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SAE University College Aus

SAE University College Aus

8 жыл бұрын

Steve Albini is one of the most respected figures in the international independent music scene. As a renowned artist, music journalist, industry commentator and recording engineer, Steve is a champion of independent business models for artists to thrive and to release their work outside of the corporate music industry structure.
He has engineered over 1500 albums, including for some of the world’s most seminal and pioneering rock acts such Nirvana, the Pixies, PJ Harvey and The Stooges.

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@harrisonwintergreen1147
@harrisonwintergreen1147 3 жыл бұрын
Albini has recorded, mixed engineered some mega-selling albums. But he charges a flat fee, does not demand the common royalties/points. How many people can say they declined millions 💰💰💰on principle, because they consider common practice unethical? Very few.
@okirrama3587
@okirrama3587 3 жыл бұрын
Kurt blew up his head for millions of dollar....how many can say that?
@pez---
@pez--- 2 жыл бұрын
The guy is realness incarnate. Absolute don.
@carstarsarstenstesenn
@carstarsarstenstesenn 2 жыл бұрын
recording engineers are not in it for the money, it's not a high paying job to begin with.
@placebojesus5652
@placebojesus5652 2 жыл бұрын
Lol it varies a huge amount and most the pop producers are making bank
@benjaminb.6424
@benjaminb.6424 2 жыл бұрын
@@okirrama3587 oh you were there
@aliya_punkenglish
@aliya_punkenglish Ай бұрын
RIP Steve. You really were one of my heroes. Gonna miss you much.
@matturner6890
@matturner6890 5 жыл бұрын
props to the cameraman for persevering thru a severe bout of parkinsons
@GearStuffandThings
@GearStuffandThings 4 жыл бұрын
Mat Turner love ❤️
@rarelycomments
@rarelycomments 4 жыл бұрын
I was so afraid the whole video was going to look like that
@Seriouslycantplayguitar
@Seriouslycantplayguitar 3 жыл бұрын
@@rarelycomments was just listening and looked over and saw the shaking, oh good, it looks like they werent monitoring the camera at first and just assumed it was all set.
@Cap_tain_Cave_man
@Cap_tain_Cave_man 3 жыл бұрын
Avantgarde
@emilezoulette882
@emilezoulette882 3 жыл бұрын
@@Cap_tain_Cave_man hahahaha
@NolalanD
@NolalanD 5 жыл бұрын
Steve should teach art ethics. His are impeccable.
@cameronharvey5801
@cameronharvey5801 Жыл бұрын
yeah, so impeccable that he used to run bands called "Rapeman" and "Run Ni***r, run"
@avinashlalwani1475
@avinashlalwani1475 26 күн бұрын
“If you have a any further questions feel free to send me an email or whatever, I’m always around” RIP Steve 😢
@crystalbepis
@crystalbepis Ай бұрын
RIP to one of the best to ever do it, music today simply would not be the same without him
@sephfox5518
@sephfox5518 6 жыл бұрын
a room full of sound engineers and no mic for the audience
@Jason75913
@Jason75913 5 жыл бұрын
Lol
@billbradleymusic
@billbradleymusic 5 жыл бұрын
Except.... the only microphone is for the mains.
@Bencarelle
@Bencarelle 5 жыл бұрын
@@billbradleymusic woosh
@axidhaus
@axidhaus 2 жыл бұрын
They’re not known for their musical skills
@placebojesus5652
@placebojesus5652 2 жыл бұрын
Well they’re good at producing music not producing videos lol which is what this kind of thinking is. Plus they know they can just toss the mic around, they’re not concerned with the superficial appearances
@ScottMasson
@ScottMasson 27 күн бұрын
Man….he was something truly special.
@ksiggich9308
@ksiggich9308 Ай бұрын
This is terribly a huge fucking loss....I'm not musician or any sort, but I have utmost respect for him. The fact that I will not hear anything from him ever again is unimaginably hard to swallow.
@ThePeytondoug
@ThePeytondoug Жыл бұрын
There is a great juxtaposition between Steve and the moderator in this video: Steve is humble and makes a solid argument in favor of not passing judgment upon tastes whereas the moderator often makes condescending comments similar to many industry snobs I’ve met in my career (the space echo USB joke, correcting grammar in the questions segment). Steve really sticks out to me because he’s always extricated himself from the norm, in this case, the professional engineer who belittles in order to counteract their insecurity. Steve is comfortable and confident and never arrogant. I’ve learned so much from listening to him talk about the philosophy of music production, as opposed the the onslaught of gear marketing content disguised as informative/inspirational production advice. Stay golden, Albini-boy.
@lauradownunder2009
@lauradownunder2009 4 ай бұрын
1:25:27 that warm analog sound is IS not ARE otherwise it would be THOSE analog soundS, he is actually correcting grammar wrong
@lassebang
@lassebang Ай бұрын
Exactly why I seriously don't like that moderator. Seems like someone trying to impress his boss instead of emerging himself in a conversation with an absolute legend.
@Skraboing649
@Skraboing649 18 күн бұрын
​@lassebang I think you meant "immersing" , not "emerging" 👍
@rembertmontald524
@rembertmontald524 Ай бұрын
Rip Steve, Thank you for all your amazing work
@HiFi-Yeah
@HiFi-Yeah 22 күн бұрын
When Steve talks it becomes clear that he was a student of history and philosophy - loads of perspective, beyond your typical modern person.
@quogir1
@quogir1 Ай бұрын
Humble as it gets. Cheerio Mr.Real One
@rocketnewton
@rocketnewton Ай бұрын
Steve - we miss you so much already. ❤
@terrypussypower
@terrypussypower 7 жыл бұрын
Maybe they should think about a Masterclass for video production!
@creamcannon825
@creamcannon825 2 жыл бұрын
Masterclass for holding a goddamned camera
@terrypussypower
@terrypussypower 4 жыл бұрын
I met Steve back in 1986 at a BIG BLACK/HEAD OF DAVID gig at Manchester's Archway club (across the road from the Haçienda) that I was bootlegging. He was out front in the crowd waiting for HEAD OF DAVID to come on and I struck up a conversation and asked him if it was okay if I taped BIG BLACK and he said go ahead! He even introduced HEAD OF DAVID on my tape recorder just as they came on stage! What a no bullshit artist. I still have those recordings on the TDK SA 90 cassettes they were recorded on (with a Sony Pro Walkman) and they sound the same today as they did back then. Those tapes are bulletproof!
@Sonificade
@Sonificade 4 жыл бұрын
That's awesome!! Are they available to hear anywhere?
@terrypussypower
@terrypussypower 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sonificade Yes, in my house! Lol! I’ve got loads of gigs I’ve bootlegged back in the 80’s and really need to upload them before I drop dead and they all end up dumped in a skip and lost to posterity! Some belters too! Most of them I’ve never seen recorded by anyone else.
@ptathholroyd4128
@ptathholroyd4128 2 жыл бұрын
@@terrypussypower thtas a cool story! would love to hear the tapes as well, lol. cheers
@terrypussypower
@terrypussypower 2 жыл бұрын
@@ptathholroyd4128 If you sub my channel then you’ll be notified when they get uploaded as I’m starting the long and tedious process of mastering them before uploading them to my KZfaq channel. I was initially going to master them all first and then upload them all in a one-er, but I’ve been talked out of that, and now I’ll upload them as I finish each one.
@Leo9ine
@Leo9ine Жыл бұрын
Reminder to hopefully archive those for everyone while you can! :)
@bankirt8498
@bankirt8498 28 күн бұрын
goodbye, sir. rest in peace.
@THESLOWDEATHHOOKS
@THESLOWDEATHHOOKS 5 жыл бұрын
steve is such an eloquent speaker, it's a joy to listen to him speak.
@shreddedvegetable
@shreddedvegetable Жыл бұрын
31:55 Such an awesome thing to hear an engineer say. A lot of engineers I think get caught up in knowing what is best for the people they work with. Very refreshing to hear of someone who is not afraid to allow people to be creative even in ways the engineer doesn't like the sound of.
@KelsoBradshaw
@KelsoBradshaw 5 жыл бұрын
this is incredible content. this interview made me a fan of steve albini solely because of his ideas.
@carvinblack
@carvinblack 2 жыл бұрын
All those years of wisdom pouring out. 👏
@egattignolo
@egattignolo Жыл бұрын
have you checked out any of his music yet? I have loved big black for most of my life.
@firdeye2681
@firdeye2681 2 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the way Steve expresses his thoughts and stuff, he's right on the money about physical copies and stuff will stay around forever. This man is a gem.... a legend of the highest standard (not to sound corny)
@mcblahflooper94
@mcblahflooper94 2 жыл бұрын
1:05:33 "I think it's a mistake to presume things need to be made better all the time. I think a lot of things are fine just the way they are." This pretty much encapsulates his philosophy (as I understand it), and applies to much more than just recorded music
@palmerlp
@palmerlp Жыл бұрын
I love how Steve is both a ruthless pragmatist about the nature of his industry, and a total romantic about analog recording.
@hermitthelog6758
@hermitthelog6758 8 ай бұрын
"It's always worth a listen," Steve is a true master of capturing the true sound of an artist
@night_speed
@night_speed 2 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing interview I have a Big Black album in my record collection but was never a huge fan. Nor am I a big Nirvana fan but I still have a huge amount of respect for the way he thinks and works. I'm always amazed at all the 'how to build a studio' channels on youtube. It's always these sterile environments with sound proofing everywhere and bass traps with giant mixing boards going into a DAW. Those giant mixing boards are essentially a glorified mouse. Also think about all the pictures you've ever seen of The Beatles at Abbey Road or Hendrix at Electric Lady. You don't see people in glass boxes. You see people hanging out on couches in living rooms or big open rooms with pianos. Use your space for its unique character. Blood Sugar Sex Magik was recorded in a rented house. Led Zep in a haunted castle. Lou Reed recorded the original vocals to The Velvet's self titled album in a closet. So anyone out there who is interested in music production and home studio recording don't let these social media influencers make you think that you need thousands of dollars worth of gear you can't afford. They are being paid to sell a product. Your living room, bedroom, bathroom or garage might sound amazing. Especially right now. Lo-fi is all the rage. There are tons of pedals and plug-ins that try to emulate the sounds of older, less than state of the art gear. I also found out recently that Steve Albini doesn't earn royalties on albums that he's produced. I was stunned when i heard that and it gave me even more respect for the man. I also like his transparency as a producer. Like he says he's very hands off as far as the band and it's sound. I love Trent Reznor and Nine Inch Nails but every album of another artist that he's produced has his fingerprints all over it. I happen to like that but not all bands would sound good with NIN DNA inserted into it.
@creamcannon825
@creamcannon825 2 жыл бұрын
I thought analog was campy and outdated until I got into Steve's work. His expertise and genius work educated me and changed the very foundation of my understanding of audio recording. Steve is a legend
@michal.ochedowski
@michal.ochedowski 5 жыл бұрын
A real eye-opener when it comes to digital archiving. It was so obvious and yet I didn't realize it.
@tonyhall3365
@tonyhall3365 5 жыл бұрын
if he had only ever worked with the Pixies & Nirvana he'd still be a legend
@creamcannon825
@creamcannon825 2 жыл бұрын
His recordings with those bands have some of the GREATEST sound of any musical recordings ever done. I also adore his works with HUM, Jawbreaker, Pegboy, and I really wish he'd have worked with Smashing Pumpkins in their early days, but that didn't ever happen as far as I know.
@iwanttoseemrshow
@iwanttoseemrshow 8 ай бұрын
he DID work with Nirvanna.
@aliya_punkenglish
@aliya_punkenglish 6 ай бұрын
Even if he didn't record Nirvana and the Pixies, he'd still be a legend.
@topofthemornintoya
@topofthemornintoya Ай бұрын
@@iwanttoseemrshowyou DIDn’t read the comment did you
@jc.1191
@jc.1191 Жыл бұрын
Steve is generous for sharing so much. I appreciate SAE for documenting this event.
@TheLateBoyScout
@TheLateBoyScout 2 жыл бұрын
This has been a fantastic interview. Great job by the host for getting Steve talking and just letting him go. Such great information from such an experienced guy.
@SAEInstituteAUS
@SAEInstituteAUS Жыл бұрын
🔥Thank you!
@allaboutdatGDA
@allaboutdatGDA 4 жыл бұрын
one of the ironies of this is that he is in one hell of a band, Shellac. He doesn’t reference his musical career in the beginning (and throughout) which is of mega cultural importance. Yet he describes himself in the beginning as a guy who didn’t go broke recording bands. He is a true artist and craftsman.
@duprie37
@duprie37 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone needs to hear Atomizer & Songs About Fxxxxxg by Big Black. I definitely didn't think in 1988 I'd be sitting here in 2021 watching this lol.
@0oidiedinatimemachineo024
@0oidiedinatimemachineo024 Жыл бұрын
@@duprie37 love Big Black
@hippydippy
@hippydippy 5 жыл бұрын
Spot on. This man knows exactly what is important. Great interview.
@nickparas7170
@nickparas7170 Ай бұрын
Wonderful interview. I love Steve's ballsy, sometimes-iconoclastic view of things.
@ibdjack4612
@ibdjack4612 7 жыл бұрын
Drum kit advice was pure gold
@AboveEmAllProduction
@AboveEmAllProduction 5 жыл бұрын
this guy is really really smart.
@jordonleigh174
@jordonleigh174 6 ай бұрын
This is an incredibly enlightening look into Steve Albini's process! I've been both a fan of his music as well as many of the artists and recordings he's worked with. Thank You!!
@artbremer4076
@artbremer4076 5 жыл бұрын
If Noam Chomski was a recording engineer, he'd be Steve Albini
@dommurruga
@dommurruga 5 жыл бұрын
same energy
@artbremer4076
@artbremer4076 5 жыл бұрын
@@DVDFRMN what a dummy! If you cant understand allegory then stop embarrassing yourself....you know how many people wrote to me that they got the same vibe? Just go to Barnes&Noble and buy all brainteasers they have, buddy.
@neilhillis9858
@neilhillis9858 5 жыл бұрын
Seems like he doesn't put down imitation or comparison, but does at least implicitly put down putting down such things. Seems to me David here's comment is worth ignoring.
@j_freed
@j_freed 5 жыл бұрын
Neil Hillis - the David or whoever comment was not registered in any meaningful way. In neurological terms, Broca's region discounts such comments as nonessential.
@mordantfilms
@mordantfilms 4 жыл бұрын
Good call... lots of valuable insight, sounds like he was woken up to speak.
@Mrpsblobsoflowendmung
@Mrpsblobsoflowendmung Ай бұрын
I’ve watched it again , as much as possible in the past few days ! So sad , such a loss ! R.I.P Rocker ❤
@PipkinXIV
@PipkinXIV Ай бұрын
I love his recording of The Breeders record. Partly, it's the band. But his bass and drums are so rich on certain sounds, and it was so different from a lot of the dryer, thinner recordings I was hearing at the time. It feels so present and alive, and those cymbals and guitar pop just right in their contrast. I'm still trying to accept that he's gone. He brought recordings to life. Neat guy.
@isthisviolence
@isthisviolence 5 жыл бұрын
Steve is DA MAN! Instant legend and enjoyable personality. Real deal!
@1967lovechild
@1967lovechild 3 жыл бұрын
I love listening to him! So intelligent & interesting.
@LAstudio8
@LAstudio8 7 жыл бұрын
This is excellent!
@rocketnewton
@rocketnewton Ай бұрын
Steve is the Fugazi of audio engineers.
@Matt-qx3ne
@Matt-qx3ne 2 жыл бұрын
This was incredibly insightful. Great content.
@loriscunado3607
@loriscunado3607 Ай бұрын
I wish he could have recorded Maurizio Pollini playing Chopin. It would have been great. What a brilliant humane man.
@ursakayak
@ursakayak 2 ай бұрын
I thoroughly enjoyed this. Albini is smart with a lot of great ideas and knowledge.
@ferabra8939
@ferabra8939 7 жыл бұрын
"The mobile phone would be farting some mp3 at you" LOL
@rafaelmartinsdecastro7641
@rafaelmartinsdecastro7641 2 жыл бұрын
This is just great stuff. Priceless.
@effective_cmpote
@effective_cmpote 3 жыл бұрын
"We were all very high on...... the way things were going" 😂 we all were expecting that to go a different direction. Fantastic talk. Thoroughly inspired as a musician and someone who loves the tech side of recording.
@settlestone
@settlestone 3 жыл бұрын
great interview.
@diegoleerot
@diegoleerot 10 ай бұрын
Wow thanks for this great interview!
@Dsm152
@Dsm152 3 жыл бұрын
A very well articulated man.
@dizzyboxnine2656
@dizzyboxnine2656 4 жыл бұрын
great interview and great information Steve. I hope to work with you one day!
@BearbearbearbearbearbearRarrrr
@BearbearbearbearbearbearRarrrr Ай бұрын
Genius/ legit human.
@arib8367
@arib8367 3 жыл бұрын
I could listen to him talk forever
@danielcolehour6454
@danielcolehour6454 3 жыл бұрын
He has perfectly articulated so many things I have thought and felt for years now. I'd love to do a record with him someday. If only in a dream.
@smolbeanregarder
@smolbeanregarder 6 жыл бұрын
1:51:30 He's referring to Chris Ott, ex-Pitchfork writer who threatened DMCA takedowns on his content hosted on Pitchfork after they were acquired by Conde Nast
@urfavoritehumanbean879
@urfavoritehumanbean879 6 жыл бұрын
Fine catch
@basehead617
@basehead617 4 жыл бұрын
I was a Pitchfork writer back then along with Chris, I never knew about this. Thanks for the info.
@tonybro70
@tonybro70 7 жыл бұрын
Such a brilliant mind. We used to discuss how Big Black recorded their early music and tried to emulate that. Or otherwise attempt to use their technique as a justification for our lack of technological prowess, whether it was a lack of financial means or simply the fact that we were devoid of any recording knowledge. His talks are fascinating
@AboveEmAllProduction
@AboveEmAllProduction 5 жыл бұрын
ikr i was like "how come i not heard of him before"
@josephhopeless829
@josephhopeless829 4 жыл бұрын
*Sorry, I'm a dumbass*: but, what do you mean you "discussed how big black recorded their early music and tried to emulate it"? Or "using their technique" when recording music? I didn't understand what you meant by that(yes I'm a dumbass, sorry if I'm sounding stupid as hell)
@josephhopeless829
@josephhopeless829 4 жыл бұрын
*I agree though, his talks are always fascinating and Big Black(Rapeman, too..Shellac's solid too, just never got too into em..) is/are in my top 5 favorite band(s).
@harryradley
@harryradley 4 жыл бұрын
@@josephhopeless829 I think he means that the recordings were 'noisy' and the 'mistakes' were left in which gives a really unique sound that isn't typical of studio albums but also doesn't sound live either because it was recorded in a studio. Edit: put quotations around noisy because calling the room sound noise comes across as pejorative and as Steve says using the sound of the room is a legitimate aesthetic choice.
@charlesandrewmoore8699
@charlesandrewmoore8699 5 жыл бұрын
Long live Steve Albini!!!
@Atekneci
@Atekneci 2 жыл бұрын
Obviously a great human being. Respect 🙏🏻
@lancebaldock6233
@lancebaldock6233 5 ай бұрын
Never gets old this session. I have to say though that I absolutely love tape saturation and compression, but y'know...
@anthonymetcalf660
@anthonymetcalf660 2 жыл бұрын
I love synthesis. But this talk helped me place a firm line between using it to add something and using it to replace something. I really am getting more into using acoustic properties for effects.
@josephrasbold2180
@josephrasbold2180 4 жыл бұрын
So much wisdom in this video
@Arykperry
@Arykperry 4 жыл бұрын
I could listen to Steve talk about a paper bag all day long !!! Love this guy
@1967lovechild
@1967lovechild 3 жыл бұрын
I KNOW exactly what you are talking about.👌🥰💖👏
@douglasbatley1907
@douglasbatley1907 2 жыл бұрын
Me too. Hope he describes the sound of it. In colour.
@bh1935
@bh1935 4 жыл бұрын
Great speaker
@markitux
@markitux 3 жыл бұрын
this is pure gold...
@bnlang898
@bnlang898 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview
@billbradleymusic
@billbradleymusic 5 жыл бұрын
Steve is one of the best! Totally understand the attitude.
@juanmar3863
@juanmar3863 Ай бұрын
Se fue un grande!!!!
@jeremywinnett6352
@jeremywinnett6352 Жыл бұрын
In 09, I think, I was AES prez at SAE Nashville and hosted a battle of the bands to raise money to bring Steve to town for a seminar. Now, the fact that I had to raise funds in a for profit institution to bring a speaker to town aside... Steve was extremely down to earth and a great inspiration to several/many students. That being said, years later, get a *good* apprenticeship and save your damn money.
@jeremywinnett6352
@jeremywinnett6352 Жыл бұрын
To do that, you need to read, experiment, fu*k up and so on .. It's a grueling industry. More so than most others, including the restaurant industry. If you *want* it, be ready to sacrifice, **jump at any opportunity** and be humble. There's 100 people out there who are better than you technically, but you can be better personally. Be-a-good-person.
@jaythehorsehunter
@jaythehorsehunter 3 жыл бұрын
love this guy
@ethermod307
@ethermod307 5 жыл бұрын
Guys, you don't really get Steve, do you? He's talking about the physicality of tape. That it is an object and it's always there for you. It exists and it carries history. Digital files are not objects, they are easily removed from memory, just like 99% of the popular music of today, which in a few months is gone completely from our collective memory, cause it's made to be consumed and not to be appreciated as a piece of art that defies time. Steve's approach is a philosophical one, but also a pragmatic one.
@AlexH8280
@AlexH8280 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry. The memory storage devices that digital files exist on is as real as tape. You can touch it and hold it in your hand. What you can't hold on either is the actual music track held within. The notion that the music is more "really there" on tape than a thumb drive is an illusion propagated by Gen X gate-keepers like Albini. Tape deteriorates, tape is easily damaged. The fact that somewhere is the only original take or master of a song on one reel of tape should be terrifying and anxiety inducing.
@dailyflash
@dailyflash 4 жыл бұрын
Tape deteriorates and digital copies don't get worse each generation they are copied.
@FromNothingICome
@FromNothingICome 4 жыл бұрын
@@AlexH8280 yeah I found that rather odd, when he's talking about how great TAPE is, and saying "analog doesn't degrade over time," since tape most assuredly degrades over time... Unless he was mixing that up with something like vinyl, or the master for cutting vinyl, perhaps?
@matthughes9617
@matthughes9617 4 жыл бұрын
As someone that has lost an entire library of work from a failed HD. This speaks to me, profoundly. I will never ever be able to get the time, energy or actual work back.
@sharonraizor2839
@sharonraizor2839 4 жыл бұрын
@@AlexH8280 He is speaking of digital formats. Do you know how many projects were recorded to ADAT in the 90's and early 2000's? Those machines were not meant to last forever. Parts will become unavailable. ADAT was just one format in the beginning of the digital transformation. There were several others. As to analog tape, I have been in the vault at Abbey Road. There are perfectly preserved pre-beatles tapes there that can still be played.
@frankjamesbonarrigo7162
@frankjamesbonarrigo7162 Жыл бұрын
This was one of his best talks
@skyborax5159
@skyborax5159 3 ай бұрын
I would love to see Rick Beato interview Steve Albini. Their personalities would be very fun to watch interact
@willdenham
@willdenham 7 ай бұрын
Steve's band was in the always play rotation for most of my post-high school drinking music. We partied and got hammered to the 'Hammer Party' and 'Jordan MN' was just north of us.
@fiveeyes2802
@fiveeyes2802 5 жыл бұрын
This truly is a Master Class. This is golden information! So glad this showed up in my YT feed.
@jamesgarfield9592
@jamesgarfield9592 2 жыл бұрын
He is one articulate dude! 👍
@chrisslooter2825
@chrisslooter2825 27 күн бұрын
One might think the the people recording this master class by a renowned recording engineer could have somehow mustered up the foresight and ability to make the questions being asked at the end somehow magically be able to have been heard on the video recording. Maybe I am asking for too much.
@dubsteppa420
@dubsteppa420 3 жыл бұрын
Steve Albini: No need to have 30 layers of the guitar part to add some sense of massiveness Butch Vig: Challenge accepted
@angelas449
@angelas449 3 жыл бұрын
HAHAA! Exactly!!!
@jerrywemhoff
@jerrywemhoff 6 ай бұрын
I don't like to exceed 3 guitars in a mix. If the band needs multiple guitars from a composition standpoint, I'll do left right and center. Much easier to maintain phase coherency and give the mix a broader image. Nevermind was fucking overkill.
@crungefactory
@crungefactory 2 жыл бұрын
Agree with virtually everything he says but didn't know I did until I heard him speak. And specifically to the ADAT part. Had a hell of a time finding someone to transfer our 24 track album masters on ADAT from 1996, last year. Got it done at a place called AVAST in Seattle.
@belzorahollow3888
@belzorahollow3888 2 жыл бұрын
Get you a significant other that talks about you the way Steve Albini talks about his job.
@justinpiche271
@justinpiche271 5 жыл бұрын
He is talking about all the digital devices that were introduced and faded out for example the mini disc 8 tracks. I have a few mini discs i recorded that i cant listen to.
@twilightbiscuit
@twilightbiscuit 2 жыл бұрын
Steve has so much knowledge...
@DaveLampton
@DaveLampton 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Mr. Albini, (if you ever read this), I'm a huge fan of dozens of your recordings, from early Urge Overkill and The Pixies, to The Jesus Lizard and Nirvana. Likewise, I'm a fan of many of your musical projects, including Big Black, and especially Shellac. That being said, I'd like to offer, to you and to all of KZfaq's readership, my own arguments in the age-old battle of "what's better... analog or digital?" My background: I have an electrical engineering degree with specific applications to pro audio, from the College of Engineering and the School of Music at the University of Miami, in Florida. I worked for several years as a digital signal processing (DSP) engineer in Silicon Valley and later co-founded the Rhapsody Digital Music System. As you can surely guess, I'll be arguing on the side of digital audio being superior, and here's why. Yes, in the first 40 years of commercially available digital audio technologies, many physical media formats have already become obsolete. But PCM data is the straight sampled audio, which will never become obsolete. Today, there is no need for physical media when you can put pure PCM digital data up into any big-name "cloud storage" service and keep it indefinitely. If you insist on putting your PCM data on some physical medium, you can always do so, and the fidelity of the recording will be perfect even if the machine that reads that digital data is very low quality, while analog information suffers greatly when using sub-par equipment. Even in the hypothetical apocalyptic scenario, building a D/A converter to turn that PCM data back into an electrical signal that can be sent to loudspeakers is actually not that complex. Both A/D and D/A converters can essentially be built using nothing much more than a voltage divider made by a bunch of resistors in series. Hypothetically, one could even write down the entire series of zeros and ones onto paper, and their audio is perfectly stored and retrievable; try doing that with an analog signal. Digital will always be played back at the correct speed, with only extremely small amounts of time variance (jitter). All of the major cloud services have very robust backup regimens, with backups, and backups of the backups, stored on SSD's and physical tapes at multiple physical locations in different geographic regions. For extra security, go ahead and put it up in a couple of cloud services. Your data will be available for download at any time, to anywhere. It will still be available long after we're all dead, and it will sound as perfect as the day it first came through the A/D converters. You can record and save as many tracks as you want, tracks of your entire recording session, all studio talkback, all submixes, all "final" mixes, all masters, EVERYTHING, indefinitely, at a miniscule cost. You can make as many copies of any and all of this audio with ZERO loss of fidelity, even after a billion (or more) copies. ZERO loss of fidelity means no new noise, no harmonic distortion, no lessening of dynamic range, no compression... perfect. Digital recording technologies do not add appreciable (i.e. audible) compression or dynamic distortion all the way up until the very point of clipping. Nobody needs to learn every setting, every option, every feature of digital recording software or systems. One can be considered an "expert" as long as they create excellent recordings, mixes, masters or whatever they specialize in. Yes, digital processing of effects and other manipulations CAN introduce mathematical errors, but if the processing is done at a modestly higher bit-rate than the final product will be released at, then the accumulation of errors is simply trimmed off during bit-rate reduction. 6 or even 4 additional bits is usually more than adequate. Analog tapes are saved on reels. They can be permanently destroyed by a magnet or one single fire in the place they are stored. Even if backups exist, the quality of them suffers on each replication. Tapes are typically saved "tails-out", and even with the best quality tape, over time, there will always be SOME magnetic bleed-through which will create some degree of ghost images. No matter how faint they might be, they're there. The images effectively add echoes to the recording, and the time between echoes doesn't even remain constant, because the time between them is a function of the diameters of the tape on the reels at each moment in time. Each reel of analog tape is expensive and will only record a finite set of tracks, typically 16 or 24 on the professional 1" or 2" tapes. Recording and playing the tapes require large and very expensive machines that require skilled maintenance over time to keep the biasing and the gauss levels going to and coming off of tape consistent over the life of the machines. The machines attempt to maintain the same tape speeds, typically 15 or 30 ips, over the life of the machines, but there is always "wow" and "flutter". Capstans, tape guides and heads all wear over time and replacement parts aren't always identical to originals. Audio signal paths are often compromised by poor design in the use of switches, pots and fader sliders. As every engineer knows, tapes will also add natural compression as you push the levels up closer and closer to saturation. When this happens, the dynamic range is reduced, effectively pulling the noise floor up, and the clipping of signal adds harmonic distortion. Even the subtlest rounding off of peak levels adds harmonic distortion. Vinyl media and the equipment to create and use them, have limitations that are even more serious. No matter how perfect vinyl recordings are created, with direct metal cuts created by the best quality machinery, pressed onto the best media available, etc... the audio will still be recreated by players that vary greatly. Most record players are not particularly good at playing a recording back at the actual correct speed, and most players will also add low frequency noise due to the slightest vertical warping of media. The styluses (needles) used by most players are not high quality, but even the BEST styluses are subject to the tiniest particles of dust, dirt, even fingerprints on the records. Also, the records themselves continually degrade with every playback due to the friction of the stylus, losing the high frequencies first and then working on down to the upper-mid frequencies over time. Whether or not you think analog "sounds better" or "warmer", or more "lively" or "musical", these are subjective judgements. I disagree that noise, saturation, distortion, pops and crackles, etc. is immaterial to one's listening experience, but again, that's a subjective evaluation. However, the concept that the finest analog equipment is somehow "peerless" is ridiculous. The A/D and D/A converters are the ONLY elements of a digital system that are subject to any physical imperfections, and on EVERY possible technical and/or electrical measurement, the qualities of the finest, professional A/D converters FAR exceed their analog counterparts, and consumer D/A converters far exceed the abilities of vinyl. In fact, even many midrange/mid-priced digital converters will typically outperform even the best analog signal path, with the MOST ACCURATE representation of what one's microphones capture. If an individual prefers the results of recording and playing back via analog signal paths, then I certainly cannot argue with them. One likes what one likes. But if you're considering the accuracy/fidelity of a recording with respect to what came down the wire from the microphone... then there is NO question: digital audio systems are superior in every way. And... all of the above is just what came off the top of my head today. I could fill an entire book with more details. :-) Cheers, Steve. I love your work.
@BrandonBakerMONOMATIC
@BrandonBakerMONOMATIC 7 жыл бұрын
Dave Lampton Damn, that was pretty convincing. I'm not qualified to give a truly informed opinion on this, but I know enough to be impressed with your argument. I appreciate you sharing that information and angle on this, Dave.
@yungwhye
@yungwhye 7 жыл бұрын
I think albini was more referring to the fact that the analog master is open to remastering and preservation , but a wav from a session on one computer that ran ableton (or insert any recording software program) is pointless to open on another computer ten years later because you will not have those same raw samples and plug-ins that were on that master from the original (most likely at least)
@DaveLampton
@DaveLampton 7 жыл бұрын
You're welcome, Brandon. I'm glad it was useful.
@DaveLampton
@DaveLampton 7 жыл бұрын
Hi LIL RETRO MANE, thanks for the comment. So actually, WAV/AIFF and other PCM formats contain the raw sampled audio, so as long as the producer/engineer/artist/label/somebody was wise enough to archive their original raw recorded tracks and their mixes, then indeed, those projects can be remixed and/or remastered using any future audio software. While it's true that some or all of the original effects plug-ins MAY not be available, if somebody is thinking ahead, the effects plugins themselves can also be saved into a plugins archive or as part of each project archive. Storage has become so inexpensive that file and archive sizes can be virtually ignored. If not, there will be plenty of equivalent or better alternative plugins available, many are even free. Furthermore, most DAW software and/or the effects plugins themselves have some way(s) to backup all of their settings in standard file formats (e.g. VST, RTAS, AU, XML) which can easily be supported for a very long time to come, even after the inevitable new standards start being used on new projects. This is because support for those formats is already available and they will not require any new development efforts in order to continue supporting them. (Those sorts of "already solved" software efforts are packaged and redistributed as reusable libraries, DLLs, etc.) Lastly, the suggestion to store all data archives on multiple cloud storage services will provide full access to redundant, secured copies from anywhere in the world, 24/7/365, while eliminating all concerns about having to manage the long-term storage, safety, and security of physical computer hardware, all at very reasonable prices, especially paid long-term, up front. Cheers.
@yojoehojo4291
@yojoehojo4291 7 жыл бұрын
NOW, I DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH KNOWLEDGE ON AUDIO ENGINEERING TO REFUTE OR BACK UP ANY OF THESE POINTS EXCEPT ONE. IN ONE OF STEVE'S MANY LECTURES HE DISCUSSED THE FACT THAT IF YOU TRY TO INPUT SOMETHING INTO A PROGRAM FOR MAKING MUSIC DIGITALLY AND IT DOESN'T READ THAT BIT OF BINARY IT WILL FUCK UP THE NEXT FEW STEPS IN A SEQUENCE, NOW AS A WAY TO PRACTICE MAKING MUSIC BECAUSE I'VE ONLY BEGUN TRYING TO MAKE MUSIC AND RECORDING IT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO I'VE USED A D.A.W. AND I CAN SAY THAT IS INDEED 100% CORRECT. IN HERE, AT SOME POINT, YOU SAY YOU COULD SAVE THAT CODE IN ANY WAY A COMPUTER COULD POTENTIALLY READ IT, AND IT WOULD READ IT BACK *PERFECTLY*. ANY D.A.W. OR DIGITAL PLAYBACK METHOD LOVES TO FUCK UP ON READING SOMETHING OCCASIONALLY, ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS A LOT OF INFORMATION TO PROCESS AT CERTAIN MOMENTS. ANOTHER THING: GET A STRONG ENOUGH MAGNET AND IT WILL ERASE ALL YOUR DATA ON A COMPUTER, OR LIGHT A FIRE AND YOUR COMPUTER IS JUST GONE. JUST SAYING. I COULD VERY EASILY PASS YOU OFF AS SOMEONE WHO IS SOLELY INTERESTED IN SAYING PEOPLE ARE WRONG ABOUT DIGITAL BEING INFERIOR TO ANALOG WAYS OF RECORDING AND PLAYING BACK BECAUSE YOUR LIFE WORK IS COMPLETELY GEARED TOWARDS DIGITAL AND THAT YOU SIMPLY DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO MAKE YOU LOOK INFERIOR FOR SPENDING SO MUCH OF YOUR RAW TIME IN THAT SPECIFIC PORTION OF THIS FIELD, BUT BECAUSE I KNOW ONLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN EXPOSING MYSELF TO I WON'T FOR NOW.
@kevinalbrecht1236
@kevinalbrecht1236 4 жыл бұрын
For a bunch of audio nerds you think they would have had a mic for the audience questions. Loved the interview
@chrisschulz2000
@chrisschulz2000 11 ай бұрын
Great history, great input from Steve, ... but if I shook my head as many times as the interviewer in this vid I'd be a head banger 😛 ... jokes aside, this vid is gold! ... thanks for sharing ... BUT, kudos to the interviewer for letting Steve fully answer whatever he wants to answer ... Even the audience is all ears, meaning: They all know who Albini is and what unimaginable knowledge this man has ...
@Ninja_Gaijin
@Ninja_Gaijin 7 жыл бұрын
Gosh darn I wish I joined the wheeler mailing list before he came out. Grrr. I slept on his Melbourne trip.
@iiiiii1449
@iiiiii1449 6 жыл бұрын
Six bottles of water
@nissekram
@nissekram 3 жыл бұрын
All bow down to the great god Albini!
@andreweueugene1640
@andreweueugene1640 4 жыл бұрын
I still love song you helped make sometime with others in my KZfaq ch. Coloration. Love The Super Maker, Andrew K. Thx A. A1.
@ivannio4783
@ivannio4783 4 жыл бұрын
Very philosophic
@michael.wiegand
@michael.wiegand 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with Steve on not ascribing the sound of old records to the faults of old gear. However, I think that using tape saturation plugins as an effect in the digital paradigm is, to use his terms, a completely valid aesthetic. Trying to capture a band as they sound in the room assumes the only sound they aspire to make is the sound their gear is capable of making. Part of the beauty of recording, for me and a lot of people, is that the studio can become its own source of creativity and almost another instrument the band has at their disposal. If every band were limited to the sounds they could make in their basement with traditional rock instruments, recorded music would be boring as fuck.
@RMFH34
@RMFH34 Ай бұрын
R.I.P.
@middle_pickup
@middle_pickup 4 жыл бұрын
What a cool guy! I would LOVE to learn from him more! Anyone know what punk band he was talking about with the reamping guitar vocals?
@willdenham
@willdenham 7 ай бұрын
I very much appreciate Steve's hands off/non-producer approach to recording. At the same time I also very much like a control freak like Rick Hall of Fame Studios with his extremely hands on, coach/captain/hit-maker style of production. Rick's background as a wannabe hit-maker informs his technique, just as Steve's go for broke punk, originality first esthetic and his self-awareness of it informs his approach.
@fpsknifer9906
@fpsknifer9906 5 жыл бұрын
I hope that somebody out there takes the time to preserve this video on 16mm.
@killer268
@killer268 4 жыл бұрын
The Bush Song is 'Swallowed' for anyone interested
@justinkline1294
@justinkline1294 4 жыл бұрын
This gentleman just said "bespoke". Word.
@waterslandmusic
@waterslandmusic 4 жыл бұрын
Tape is safe - except for the 2008 Universal fire - check it out
@jlouis4407
@jlouis4407 19 күн бұрын
A man of dignity, RIP
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