Yeah I wish they'd asked a real decision scientist to read through the script (there are several very good ones in southern california). She doesn't sounds anything like the real deal and whoever wrote it didn't understand Big Data or statistical modeling. It's annoying when writers don't take the time to research their subjects; normally the Mentalist is better about doing it. Network TV schedules, probably, they were just under too much time pressure to spare an afternoon to visit a campus and talk to someone. (Or, worse, they did talk to somebody but he fell prey to Michio Kaku syndrome: when a professor is so star-struck that they rubber-stamp whatever they're shown.)

Why not?

​@@samueldeandrade8535 They will just said the number

MannyXVIII cause doesn't equate to correlations

MannyXVIII confirmation bias

She also alwatys spoke in certainties, which is something nobody that works with statistics would. For instance in the beginning when she said that the similarities were statistically identical - that is something that never, ever happens. A 1.00 correlation is virtually impossible.

While I agree with you, she seemed someone who would always be confident in her own answers. The type of person who would always quadruple check anything she had discovered, then cross-reference it with multiple sources, and checked credibility, and you get where I'm going. She has complete trust in her own ability to calculate anything, because she is rarely (never) wrong... when it comes to numbers, her problem is realizing what she is calculating isn't numbers, but humans... Some of the most spontaneously stupid, stupidly spontaneous, and stupidly, spontaneously, stupid beings I have yet to understand. She may have thought that, with her level of intelligence backed by the consistency and engineering behind a computer, run through a program that could accelerate and sort through any previous existing cases, to find the culprit in the most non-biased, quick and efficient way as possible. Which is my way of saying, she was a little naive, but not wrong. Computers are never wrong, sadly, and when they are it's never their fault.

Daring Darius Beautiful response. Kudos.

usha kiran umm, on second thought...

He doesn't believe it actually works, but he's so desperate he'll read it on the "off chance" that it helps.

whatever it takes

@@sevach Jane's a huge believer in science and enemy of mysticism/spirituality/religion... but he's also arrogant and competitive and jealously attacks anyone who he sees as threatening to his intellectual superiority. I think he rejects the behavioral science stuff for that reason, not because he doesn't believe in it. In the casino episode, he references lots of ways the casinos use decision science to get people to spend more money; no skepticism about it in that episode. Nah, he just can't resist proving that he's smarter than whoever he's in the room with. Grabbing that study out of the trash can is Jane being so obsessed with his revenge that he's even able to put his ego aside and acknowledge that the professor might have figured something out that he missed.

Damn, that would have been fucking brilliant.

You mean his penis.

@@matthewmayhem9213 Good question, I fear we will never know the answer since SpikeFlea hasn't updated us in 2 years

Stop that rhyming I mean it Anybody want a Peanut

@@George-Hawthorne "Probably he means no harm." "He's very, very short on. . . charm!"

@@ifyoudbesokind6973 Are there rocks ahead If there are, we'll all be dead

@@George-Hawthorne "I am waiting for Vizzini." "You surely are a mini."

@@ifyoudbesokind6973 That Vizzini he can fuss I think he would like to scream at us

She was in another episode

This was definitely a character that could've made a perfect foil for Jane.

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Jane ALWAYS knows when a woman has a crush on him. He just didn't like her back so he stayed aloof.

@@bakarenibsheut12 Yep, Jane reads people like open books. Understanding when he has earned the affection of a woman is nothing but child's play to him, especially of one so awkward(for lack of a better term) such as Dr Montague.

Not sure about Kristina tho. I think his disdain for her might've thrown his radar off xD. Their constant bickering was super entertaining 😂

@@repeekyraidcero yeah, she was smart and a match for him during their entertaining, intellectual sparring lol!

In an complete opposites kind of way, you saw jane chuck out all the graphs and numbers on red john and then realise "Wait I should probably read it but UHHHHH NUmbers"

Daria yeah definitely but he might struggle to find someone who can challenge him but the psychic chick did a pretty good job, but I think Red John and Jane make a great pairing even though RJ gutted his whole family, that’s just details

@@sam432ful actually Erica Flynn could have made a great match for Patrick if she didn't try to constantly screw him over. Well, challenge is challenge, screwing over someone is sort of a challenge as well. Actually she was the only one who he was completely equal in everything.

@@mrdragonage7446 Yeah I'll agree, but I don't think that relationship would've been all that healthy with Jane. She seems like a person that would draw out Jane's darkness unlike Lisbon who can't meet him on an intellectual basis but she always encourages Jane to be better.

🙄 🤔... Maybe or probably...

Backfire Effect. Not even Jane is safe.

Yes! This episode was written before machine learning really took off. She mostly talks about what we would call data mining and statistical modeling, but it's similar in its effects. Jane can spot variables that don't make it into the models (depth) but obviously doesn't get the huge range of experience that models get from big data sets (breadth). One of the main themes of the show is that Jane is totally opposed to mysticism: especially religion and spirituality. In later seasons, he softened and became more respectful, but it was always there. So here's a scientist, doing _exactly_ what he preaches, and he rejects it. I was surprised, too, but it's because of the other big theme of the show: Jane is jealous about his own intellectual superiority and can't help being competitive and belittling towards anyone he sees as a challenge to that superiority. Hence why he dumps her dossier into the trash... but he's so obsessed with vengeance against Red John that he puts that arrogance aside to fish it back out again, because he's desperate for any advantage he can get.

Her trusting him that much really is something. Then again, he's proven to be very dependable.

Bask in the still complete form??? That's enjoyable

He was never going to risk jnformation getting away from him. He threw it away because of pride.

hungry for any lead.

Probably so that he would get to say that he found it in the garbage bin if ever used in court

@@DjSjespeR smart and knowing him thats prob true but I bet it was also pride/being silly

Indeed

Hoshi! Do you understand, what they are trying to say?

My exact thoughts too!

Math is just another language

Right! I thought I recognized her!

Maybe they bought a tea plant to make up for that fact haha.

You mean the file she gave him? It was never mentioned again :(

probably not considering (if I understand it right) it only refered to others known killers but at the end all janes suspect list were working for law enforcement (except for one)

It's never mentioned again, but bear in mind Jane never went to high school. Sure he got an education, but given how secretive he is about his own leads in the Red John case, had he gleaned any info from it he surely would have kept it secret. If he couldn't interpret the data effectively, he wouldn't be able to ask for help due to his paranoia, in which case it would be useless to him. He threw it away knowing this, but the obsession made him take it back. It very well might've had useful insights, possibly ones that would've saved him years, but personal vendetta is not a place for objectivity. Which is what you need. Jane's. more of a master of the subjective. It's sad, because it's like giving an astronaught a trumpet and telling them to play jazz.

The only one who helped jane to get close to red john is lorelei martins

@@Tomy-im8zl technically, two of the suspects weren't working for law enforcement, one worked for law enforcement but switched to private security, the other is the visualize sect leader

She doesn't talk anything like a real decision scientist. Even the hard core data miners are fascinated by the "soft measures" that people like Jane employ. They study _decisions_ including how they're currently made via intuition and instinct. This episode was before widespread availability of facial expression interpreting AI, but everyone in the field understood its importance. If she was going to critique Jane, she should have pointed out that if he could better explain where he got his insights, then she would be able to automate them and make them available to even police forces he wasn't consulting with. Most of the hard core data modelers (as her character is presented) love weird correlations like the pet lizard thing. If every connection was rational or common-sensical, then you wouldn't need quant jocks running mathematical models. It's the weird empirical regularities that pop up in the data and let the modelers discover the unexpected. I'll put it down to Hollywood not understanding decision science or decision scientists.

I hadn’t noticed, but I love both shows!

I had the same question.

Lots of KZfaqrs do it to avoid the copyright bots. Not sure if it works, but it's annoying.

Guess I’m cold blooded 🤷‍♂️

For realzies? She looks so different.

Empress Sato, slave! :)

sweet ?

I was expecting her to start swearing in alien languages lol

I didn't realise it's was her till l read hoshi!

House M.D.

Castle

"psyche" but the lead is less serious, "chuck" but he has a different skillset, "limitless" but it only went for one season, criminal minds is also interesting wd hotch, prentiss and thre rest of the team profilers wd diff specialties n background

Lie to me.

Back in the 1970s and 1980s, there were a bunch of con-man detective shows like The Rockford Files and Hardcastle And McCormick, as well as ones that I cannot remember.

Most uploads of TV shows do this. Prevents the videos from being detected by KZfaq's system that copyright strikes things such as

@@ezekielroberts8161 I certainly suspected that, do you know for certain or are you also guessing? It would be nice to see a summary of the back and forth detection-evasion war between ContentID and uploaders, and the sorts of tactics they use. Smarter Every Day had some theories in its video about KZfaq a while back, but was hardly comprehensive.

@@abstraconcept I'm almost 100% certain. It's similar where some people upload videos of Shows that are inverted and flipped along a vertical axis, which aims to confuse the detection as well

By being a likeable person all around ? That would work by most people that are somewhat decent.

He meant intelligence. 😜

@razor blade By being smarter than her.

Asian chick always give caucasian guy the first than Asian guy.

Linda Park

ok?

@@quidam_surprise OK!

S3 - E12 i believe.

Yes, also thought the same

S3-E12

@Ethan Yu Thanks for confirming my suspicion, Ethan.

I have heard something like that only in Statistical Mechanics, but I don’t think that they are discussing gas molecules.

all lizards who pretend to be human say that

But his mind says "Oh screw it"

I guess his curiosity and obsession of Red John overturns his pride

what he said. if it was just a normal case he would have certainly thrown out the data. but red john is way too important to him to ignore even the smallest possibility of a clue

Ghatius Brilliantly succint, sir!

He didn't want to admit that her system could have merits, but he knows it does.

Easy: enter the matrix

*Neo has joined the chat*

Why should men stand? Why shouldn't women stand? What possible difference does it make?

@montanadoctor Thank you for pointing out my glaring deficiency in modern etiquette.

Thats not the case for all. However, most details you'll only notice, when you rewatch the second or third time, when the drama is known to you already. Like for example the fact that Jane is a huge Carl Jung Fan. And knows all these quotes. Or his Mind Palace (not to be confused with another "semi decent" detective shows main character) in Red, White Blue

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand the Mentalist. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Jane's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike the Mentalist truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Jane's existential catchphrase "The truth hurts, I know," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Bruno Heller's genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂 And yes, by the way, i DO have a Mentalist tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid

@Moderate Fkr Because what you just said takes a certain amount of thought that many people only apply to their work, not their TV shows or leisure time. I like complicated shows so I might, but a lot of people just like to relax and unwind. A colorful character(s) and a mystery that keeps them guessing is enough for most audiences. Let's not forget this is one of the more detailed shows that was on at the time, with certain nuances and complexity compared to a lot of broadcasted television. - All that said I don't give most TV a second look as I like a certain amount of mental or cerebral engagement with the media I watch or read.

@@mirjamheijn5214 I watch Rick and Morty, your move pleb

Gematria? That pseudoscience bullshit?

It's actually a good show but a better show which is mainly comedy is Psyc

Best show ever

Yeah, he's pretty full of himself.

He isn't necessarily full of himself....ok he is but not in an arrogant way. People are so sure of their results without taking massive factors into account. Thanks to his mental recollection, observational skills and ability to read humans he often shoots down the real arrogant people, those who dismiss him cause he is a consultant, they consider him a freak or a joke until he proves them wrong.

He is, but in a sherlock holmes kind've way. - if Sherlock Holmes was a people person and not a man of science. It's not unfounded, his methods are in direct contrast to mathematical analysis of criminals - he's a charlatan. A con man. His skillset is just fundamentally different - and his ignorance offsets his genius in his own skillset. And he is a master manipulator - even now, he's pushing the scientist because they are naturally going to be coming into conflict, he just doesn't sugar coat it. That sounds speculative, but it's very common for him to take tacts like this upon meeting people he will, invariably, come into conflict with. Within his skillset he's amazing, but put him in a room with calculus majors, he'll lose his mind. They make it very clear not to glorify him or that you should be sympathizing with him, he has a brusque rogueish charm when he needs it, and utter childish pettiness when he doesn't. The show is "ok", it does sort've struggle with its greater themes. Jane's character is great, but the writers just couldn't figure out how to make moments like these transcend, so they rely on kitchiness too much.

No but you might appreciate some of her enterprise scenes (audio quality sucks) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d5qHaMuQy7mvm4E.html | kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a7STZLils9a0hWQ.html

Orkz What a creepy video. What the fuck.

Her brooch, he planted it as part of his scheme. She made a point of saying "a single piece of jewelry saves mental effort" and the suspects recognised it.

Of course, he's a white boy

The actor is actually Australian

hes quite a good actor im sure he could do a british accent

I feel like that would've been too much of a cliché

Why did he throw it into the trash in the first place?

@@neuronNotFound No idea either.

Linda park

Sounds like you're using correlation to prove correlation isn't causation.

SlimThrull laughs, I’m not and it isn’t

@@markyoung01maccom Look, it's pretty simple, right? Every time you see a fire truck you see a fire, right? Therefore we can reasonably conclude that fire trucks cause fires. Everyone knows this to be the case. It's not THAT hard.

SlimThrull replies no, not the case always. You’re falling into the classic logical fallacy that can exist in cause and effect relationships. There are numerous examples.

@@markyoung01maccom Am I? Hm... I noticed another correlation. Math types are among the easiest ones to troll. ;) Sorry, couldn't resist.

Yeah the Variables where partially not really destict or rather her searching criteria for the caveman where easy to meet by having little distinctiveness.

Well, I’d say it has more to do with the abbreviation of MATHematicS. Alternatively, it may have something to do with the fact that maths is a multidisciplinary field (algebra, trigonometry, non-linear equations, etc), which means it ought to be expressed in a plural form. That said, there are plenty of examples in British English where this is ignored. It’s a living and highly malleable language. Vive la difference!

​@@doubtingthomas6146 It's the abbreviation. I would struggle to think of a word that ends in an "s" that when abbreviated we didn't carry it over, though I don't doubt we'd break the rule (rules?) given any opportunity.

Jesus is make believe. Numbers are real.

Jesus worshipers are all evil.