Bessey edge clamp vs. F-clamp and wedge hack

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11 ай бұрын

I bought one of those expensive Bessey edge clamps. A very solidly built clamp, but just as awkward to use as my f-clamp and wedge type hack.
But in a pull off test in my strength testing machine, it held on impressively well.

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@Gravattack 11 ай бұрын

I've been doing doing woodwork for decades. Stupidly I never knew about the F-clamp with a wedge idea, Thanks for the great tip

@metodemersic 11 ай бұрын

Yes, we had few of those exact ones and a few smaller ones at my previous job, but rarely used them. But when we did use them, these were extremely useful. You could even add a thick strip of wood in between to even out the pressure to the whole edge.

@seanwilson471 11 ай бұрын

Yes we do that too. When edging a diameter we have curved packing blocks CNC'd at all diameters as a packer.

@onehandedmaker 11 ай бұрын

A joy to watch your videos. Your workshop makes a great backdrop in the videos as well. Always inspiring and I admire your imagination to keep coming up with great designs and ideas. Well done. One Handed Maker - Australia

@chriskeeble 5 ай бұрын

Love this - thank you so much for posting this test. I've never seen the F-clamp + wedge solution for edge clamping. Every day is a learning day! Thank you 🙂

@user-kj9fb9cv7s 11 ай бұрын

The cleats are excellent. I used them more than 30 years ago in the factory, and the owner of the factory had imported them from Italy along with the rest of the wonderful equipment. We used them to install wooden scraps on dining tables and others.

@Endoplasmic-Reticulum 11 ай бұрын

I’m so glad that you and Marius Hornberger know each other. Over the years, you’ve both mentioned each other. I can tell there’s a lot of respect there.

@andrewgalbreath2101 11 ай бұрын

I love both your and Marius' stuff. I'm very pleased to watch a collaboration of you two

@Convolutedtubules 11 ай бұрын

Thank you, our beloved Matthias "Clamp master" Wandel, for yet another interesting and brilliant video.

@seanwilson471 11 ай бұрын

We use them were I work for edge clamping hardwood onto Formica, linoleum, marble and veneered table tops. We have about 50 clamps. Some days depending on what's coming through you can use all 50 in the morning and then repeat. Yes you need to manage the cam by hand sometimes over the edge of a 50mm edging. Same to release them. It gets your fingers if your not used to them. They are not perfect on all surfaces as sometimes just keep slipping. We have had the same ones for around 20 years. The rubbers are worn on a lot of them. The springs and the pins are first thing to fail. We would be lost without them. Chucked on and off benches and the floor the frames have never failed. We also use them individually to close up 2mm pvc 2mm veneer edging at the join on a circular table.

@MCsCreations 11 ай бұрын

Pretty interesting clamps indeed, Matthias! Thanks for testing! 😊 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@johnford7847 11 ай бұрын

As always, very interesting. Thanks, Matthias.

@joevanegas7362 11 ай бұрын

Cool video. Very informative and easy to watch and listen. Good work.

@monteglover4133 11 ай бұрын

Thank You I occasionally need to do edge clamping, the bar clamp trick should work. I don’t recall seen this before, I’ve been woodworking for 50+ years

@thepengwn77 11 ай бұрын

Glad to see someone finally made the pinching version of rock climbing cams. I've always dreamed of these.

@RickRolling-tc7vb 11 ай бұрын

Interesting! Looking forward to see what you and Marius get up to together, should be good fun.

@atomicsmith 11 ай бұрын

Glad to hear you’re doing content with Marius.

@hansangb 11 ай бұрын

Love Marius. I think I heard you're both collaborating for the test. Can't wait to see it!

@w0pke 11 ай бұрын

Bessey is generally way too expensive unless you use it professionally. For a hobbyist the quality is so good it can last for generations however.

@MaxMakerChannel 11 ай бұрын

Just repainted my granddads Bessey. They were so expensive he only had one and he was a framer!

@randymacsgarage 11 ай бұрын

Old stuff yup new stuff nope

@larry78cj7 11 ай бұрын

Bessey isn’t really that good anyway. Jorgensen are much better.

@Artesano6908 11 ай бұрын

My chanel is ❤😢😅😎🥰🤭😘🤫😎

@jeremyspecce 11 ай бұрын

@@larry78cj7at least in the small F clamps, I would agree with you, and I would also say the newer rubber handled Jorgensen F clamps are easier to use and get more force out of than my older wooden handled clamps of the same size.

@samTollefson 11 ай бұрын

I use a method similar to you with F clamps, never had a problem, I also have some of those 3-way C clamps that I think I have used once or twice in 10 years. For edge glueing wood aminate I just use blue painter's tape and let the glue suck it in, works fine.

@sshuggi 11 ай бұрын

I feel like ambidextrous thumb triggers near the handle that opens the cams would make this amazing.

@CoquiAudio 11 ай бұрын

the video is so nice and detailed 😊

@bobafetting6373 11 ай бұрын

Matthias and Marius co-creating content? Am I awake? I feel like I did when 'a pair of Matthiases' tested the wooden winch... Cant wait.

@Kenniii3 11 ай бұрын

Good video. Thank you for the information.

@RunarMagnussen 10 ай бұрын

I guess these make the most sense for professionals who routinely need it, the same way I use expensive stuff where I work. It's nice to have something you can buy and use intensively for years! I'm just a hobbyist woodworker, and tape is good enough for my edge glue clamping, ie. solid wood edge banding.

@chaklee435 11 ай бұрын

the coefficient of friction of the rubber does tend to decrease at higher pressures. As I understand it, the rubber sort of oozes onto the rough surface of the other material, providing grip in addition to the regular friction that increases with normal force. So as the pressure increases, that extra grip matters less and less.

@foldionepapyrus3441 11 ай бұрын

Seems like when they are the tool you need they really work, which did surprise me a little as I always thought the cams would bend the frame when the clamping forces needed to be more than electrical/masking tape tight... Though having now got a better view of them in this video I can see why they work so well and cost so much, they are very solid...

@ivokolarik8290 11 ай бұрын

Awesome video

@superdau 11 ай бұрын

I have two of those Bessey edge clamps. I didn't buy them though. My uncle found them in the trash of a workshop being closed down. Having used them a few times (with the exact annoyances you describe), I can say, yes they are handy, but in no way worth the money (if I had bought them). The F-clamps you can get for that money are way more useful.

@jkf1052 10 ай бұрын

Love the bar clamp with wedge tip! Math correction: Lee Valley shows the Bessy @ $123.45. Harbor Freight 6 in bar clamp $3.49 - Bessy is 35x more expensive!

@niceguy191 10 ай бұрын

$123.45? That's the price some idiot would try to sell his luggage

@lightbulbjim 11 ай бұрын

I always get confused by phrases like "ten times less than". I know (at least I think I know!) that it's equivalent to "one tenth of", but my brain finds the latter _much_ easier to parse than the former.

@peterhaskew 11 ай бұрын

I'm looking forward to seeing the results of your collaboration with Marius! 🙂

@jonathanmoeg1202 11 ай бұрын

As always, if you are doing a particular task a lot buy the flash kit. Otherwise, just make do. Although I'm very familiar with the cramp and wedge hack, the springy scrap and block variation is new and looks very quick.

@nathanieljames7462 11 ай бұрын

Those edge clamps are hecka chonky too!!

@WRPWRE 11 ай бұрын

been following your channel for quite a few years now and as a young trainee chippy your info has literally saved me more times then i care to count. so mad love you and the whole family \o/ that said, idea unless you have already made a video of it could you cover different ways of clamping|viceing a work peace(minimal marks)when a clamp isent available jigs and work arounds. thankyou again so much for all your hardwork !

@matthiaswandel 11 ай бұрын

Just put a block of wood between the clamp and the workpiece

@denno021 11 ай бұрын

Collab with Marius!? About time, can't wait

@wholesomeengraving 11 ай бұрын

Those are very unique clamps, I didn't even know they existed! There are really specialized tool for anything... hehe

@aserta 11 ай бұрын

I think i saw you do the F clamp trick, because that's what i do. No need for expensive stuff. The only difference is i use those wedges for doors. I bought a whole bag of them for 10 dollars from fleabay many years ago and it's worked great with that, especially since with wedges, you center the load. I found the Bessey (or similar, because there's other types) to not be as good.

@peripheralarbor 11 ай бұрын

Looking at the gap at 3:15 compared to before the test, I would say that the yoke yielded under load.

@an2thea514 10 ай бұрын

So I use these professionally and they work better than anything else for me. They slide on with no effort even on 24mm boards. If I have large edges to glue on(only have 12 of those) I combine them with my gluing press. Works beautifully

@ex-nerd 11 ай бұрын

I recently noticed that both Bessey and Rockler sell a clamp-on third screw for f-clamps for edge clamping. For the same price, the rockler ones have nicer rubberized knobs. I see the AT Restoration channel use these occasionally and was wondering where to find them outside of Estonia … so now I know.

@RambozoClown 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the heads up. Those Rockler ones look like a good solution.

@r.b.fraunhofer1655 11 ай бұрын

I have some of the Bessey extra screws as well. Work OK, can apply a lot of pressure. 😊

@larchejacquesclarel9451 11 ай бұрын

Nice video.

@cliveclapham6451 11 ай бұрын

I have the other Blessy edge clamp, which l think we’re less expensive than the cam ones, work well enough, l needed them for a job and they were added to the job🎯🤣❤️

@Salamibro 9 ай бұрын

I never seen some one using these clamps because in stead of buying them for alot of money we used packing tape it works just as good and is cheaper

@christopherpardell4418 10 ай бұрын

These are like Cams used in climbing. But the ones used in climbing have a cable pull trigger to collapse the cams from the handle end. I am surprised whoever designed these did not do the same.

@jeremyspecce 11 ай бұрын

I’d be curious to see that load the F clamp would withstand with the rubber pads removed.

@johnbailey1085 11 ай бұрын

I have 48 (I counted) Bessey clamps of various sizes, and a few cheaper clamps. Where I find the most value in the Besseys is the screw. For me the worm thread screw adds a tremendous increase in usability and value over the machine thread on cheaper threads.

@sidgar1 11 ай бұрын

That beefy Acme thread sure does let you apply some force. Much better than the finer threaded clamps.

@Convolutedtubules 11 ай бұрын

Fine pitch threads give you a lot more leverage over course threads. Twice the threads gives twice the force. Fine pitch acme thread is ideal.

@bmxscape 11 ай бұрын

not sure you fully understand the conccept@@sidgar1

@rolfbjorn9937 11 ай бұрын

On many F-Clamps, the limiting factor is the bar getting deformed or the handle on the screw spinning free after clamping hard a few times. On expensive or cheaper ones. The threads are quite frankly never the limiting factor.

@xaphon89 11 ай бұрын

I've found painters tape to be sufficient for most edge clamping situations. Obviously not as much clamping pressure as a proper clamp though, or the wedge hack.

@dj-bn1fj 11 ай бұрын

I find a rubber band slipped over a spring clamp works just fine for straight edge clamping to cover plywood edge with a 1/8" strip but what do I know?

@zeropointmx2552 11 ай бұрын

Wonder if these could be used as a low profile, high force face clamp? I understand it's intended use is to apply side force, but I bet those cams apply a huge squeezing force on the part. Now for the application where this would be useful? I have no clue.

@GregVirgoe 11 ай бұрын

It appears that you did manage to deform the clamp casting as the cams were further apart at the end of the video than at the start

@What_Other_Hobbies 10 ай бұрын

Rockler bandy clamps are the fastest to use for edge banding. You do need a lot of them though.

@MaxMakerChannel 11 ай бұрын

Hey Matthias, what practical tips have you got for parenting?

@matthiaswandel 11 ай бұрын

Raising children is much easier with some sort of mechanical hoist

@clark7117 11 ай бұрын

@@matthiaswandel Sir Matthias, I often ask myself, Why buy a trampoline when a lever and CMU can send children to the stars? Aside from the humor, great video.

@harlanbarnhart4656 11 ай бұрын

I've found an inclined plane works well.

@chadgrenier1097 11 ай бұрын

I love watching your test comparisons! Is there any chance you could compare threaded inserts vs wooden taps? I have a project coming up and I’ve heard wooden taps were strong than inserts. And I’d love to see your test prove it right or wrong

@radix23 11 ай бұрын

suman did a pretty thorough comparison of wood taps vs threaded inserts and came to the conclusion that wood taps were better. that said, I'm sure matthias could take it to another level

@CrimeVid 11 ай бұрын

Wooden taps ? always interested to learn !

@JDeWittDIY 11 ай бұрын

@@CrimeVid I think he means threaded inserts vs wooden threads.

@schwuzi 11 ай бұрын

It depends on how often you want to undo the joint. If it's one and done I wouldn't bother with inserts but if I'm constantly unscrewing it and putting it back together I would get inserts. Edit: Of course it also depends on the type of wood. I mostly build with MDF so you can forget threading the wood directly. I'm sure it's different for hardwood.

@mckenziekeith7434 11 ай бұрын

In weaker materials such as wood and fiberglass and aluminum, the length of engagement of the threads matters quite a bit. If you are screwing into a thick piece, threads hold pretty well. If you are screwing into a thin piece, a threaded insert would be wise. As an example, threaded high-strength fiberglass (G10 or FR4) will hold against the full bolt strength if the threaded piece is 1.5x bolt diameter. The ratio of bolt diameter to thickness of threaded piece seems to be the controlling ratio. If your threaded piece is 1.5x or 2x you have a good chance of strong holding.

@lenschmidt73 10 ай бұрын

Would you be able to design an efficient track saw guide rail and sled to use with an ordinary circular saw? Although there are a number of videos on how to build them I think you would be able to engineer a better one.

@richardgeorge9750 11 ай бұрын

Hard to tell from the video, but is the frame now ‘sprung’? The cams appear slightly closer together in the images before you test compared to post-test. Nonetheless, a well done test and I’m glad for the information you provided.

@TomtomTomtom986 11 ай бұрын

Nothing beats BESSEY clamps...

@DigitalArchmage 11 ай бұрын

you're saying at high forces the coefficient of friction changes (at high forces it slides off the workpiece) but it seems like you actually had evidence that at those high pressures it deformed the material being clamped. Maybe try with metal?

@HGKaya 11 ай бұрын

Can you change the handle to something like a t shape to turn bessey into plywood gripper to carry stuff or pull middle sheets from stockpiles?

@matthiaswandel 11 ай бұрын

Could be done. But you can't just push it on the edge of a piece of plywood unless its really thin plywood, so not that useful. The plywood gripepr thingies tend to clamp as a function of pull on the handle, and release when no lnoger pulling the handle.

@970357ers 11 ай бұрын

Perfect for edge cases…

@wochenendedestodes9015 11 ай бұрын

Bessey is a manufacturer which produces high quality clamps. And they are very open minded. If you need a special clamp, write them... perfect for industry.

@nashty8425 11 ай бұрын

what do you need to clamp edge banding so hard for anyway

@kumbackquatsta 11 ай бұрын

thankfully they have a great return policy

@JesusvonNazaret 10 ай бұрын

Also, how many of these edge clamps would you need to work reasonably and do you really need that much clamping force for edge banding, or would some masking tape suffice?

@flannel7977 11 ай бұрын

Wondering what kind of climbing cam that was

@CrimeVid 11 ай бұрын

Your edge clamping hack works better with folding wedges, A bow clamp and a few wedges at the ends works too

@rfphicks 11 ай бұрын

I've had surprisingly poor experiences with Bessey clamps. My budget sash clamps have proven to be much more useful than the Bessey parallel clamps I've got so I'd echo that sometimes the cheaper option might be a better one.

@Convolutedtubules 11 ай бұрын

Not just sometimes, quite often if not the majority of times.

@matthiaswandel 11 ай бұрын

never tried the parallel clamps. They seek kind of clunky, but more importantly, they are out of my price class.

@scottnewman2051 10 ай бұрын

It's hard to tell for sure from the video, but is the gap between the cams when they are "at rest" bigger after the pull test than it was at the beginning? It looks like it might be from the few frames we're able to see of it.

@mm9773 11 ай бұрын

What are the most common use cases? I would imagine that when you edge-clamp, you most often edge-clamp along the whole edge, so you would need many clamps, i.e. a cheaper solution than that.

@matthiaswandel 11 ай бұрын

Exactly. So you need lots. Gets expensive fast

@EugeneFir 11 ай бұрын

How soon until we see your superior home made wooden version?

@NickDangerThirdGuy 11 ай бұрын

Thats a piece of climbing gear turned inside out with a soft skin.

@joshuahayes1272 11 ай бұрын

It could just be me, but it looks like the frame did plastically deform after your test. I’d have to say it doesn’t reduce the functionality of the clamp but it certainly introduced some fatigue into the system. Again, it tough to tell in the video but it looks like the cams are farther apart after the test

@matthiaswandel 11 ай бұрын

yes, someone else pointed that out too. That suggests perhaps it is close to failure. So maybe I'll do the pull-off test a few more times.

@jonroberson9027 11 ай бұрын

New clamp…and a new camera? Or different camera settings and or compression settings?

@matthiaswandel 11 ай бұрын

shot this one at 60 fps to work better wit hthe 50 fps that marius shoots, as he may reuse some of the clips.

@thunderstruck1078 11 ай бұрын

It would've been useful if you put the link to Marius' video in the desc.

@matthiaswandel 11 ай бұрын

can’t link to a video that doesn’t exist yet. would have been useful to pay attention.

@thunderstruck1078 11 ай бұрын

@@matthiaswandel Ah sorry about that, I misunderstood.

@scott98390 11 ай бұрын

Could you add a link to Marius' design please?

@matthiaswandel 11 ай бұрын

will do when his video is ready

@ozsaul 11 ай бұрын

I noticed your wedges were just blocks. Would actual wedges work better?

@RambozoClown 11 ай бұрын

"I have too many clamps" Said no woodworker, ever!

@papirojl 11 ай бұрын

Abandonando seu canal porque você não disponibiliza as legendas...

@luizgueirosbezerra 11 ай бұрын

Matthias, please make a drawing like Dewalt DW733, it would be more great project for us who are your followers.

@Liofa73 11 ай бұрын

I don't really like the screw handle on the Bessey. Prefer a knob style.

@matt9852 11 ай бұрын

The frame did actually bend, you'll see upon the replay

@thomasfeix7979 11 ай бұрын

Was there a bit of plastic deformation on the clamps? Looked like the spacing of the cams was bigger after the test.

@matthiaswandel 11 ай бұрын

Hadn't noticed that, but reviewing the video, indeed! I should repeat my test to see if it bends further.

@thomasfeix7979 11 ай бұрын

@@matthiaswandel good luck breaking it completely! ;)

@scotttovey 11 ай бұрын

Why not make an attachment that slides onto the bar clamp that does what an edge clamp does? With the bar clamp attachment, you can make it 6 to 12 inches long and have two threaded rods that push against the edge. And rather than a metal pressure foot, you can have a wooden foot so it is less likely to mare the surface.

@ensen89 11 ай бұрын

yoe mean a diy version of the bessey kt5-2?

@scotttovey 11 ай бұрын

@@ensen89 Yeah, that's exactly what I had in mind. First I've heard of them.

@ConorFenlon 11 ай бұрын

How much?

@crumblenaut9776 11 ай бұрын

Any chance of you making your own edge clamps and comparing them to the Bessey's?

@matthiaswandel 11 ай бұрын

Very unlikely.

@georgev.georgeson5300 11 ай бұрын

Talking about clamps, have you ever tired using / making "cam" clamps?

@EyosiasTadesse 11 ай бұрын

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@boots7859 11 ай бұрын

I know product pricing varies, however it is annoying when reviews/comparison don't simply give an average price at the time with a simple proviso. Its not private information, and not going to vary that much but it sure would help everyone watching to know right off if something is near their preferred range or just out of the picture.

@matthiaswandel 11 ай бұрын

it varies by time and location. My price is not your price. If you want to know what it would cost you, don't look to me.

@james10739 11 ай бұрын

10 times is a problem for me but pulling back the cams isn't a big deal

@Stelios.Posantzis 11 ай бұрын

Since you have this really nice failure testing contraption err... apparatus , would you be interested in testing the strength of various types of wood under load in all three directions against or with the grain? It would also be interesting to test whether the hole shape matters in a joint e.g. whether the square hole in a mortise and tenon joint is inferior to the losenge shape hole in a domino joint or the round hole in a dowel joint. Just to be clear: I am not suggesting another joinery strength test, rather the mode of the stress would be dictated by a type of wood joint. In all cases, to ensure that a joint is not tested but the wood itself, the pressure on the test specimen would have to be exerted by a metal peg of appropriate shape.

@matthiaswandel 11 ай бұрын

perhaps watch my video on testing wood strength?

@metodemersic 11 ай бұрын

Hey Mattias, maybe you would be interested in testing this: for some time now I have been wondering, how does dust in holes affects dowels. I understand if there is so much dust, that the dowel doesn't fit, but usually the hole is a few mm longer than the dowel. So I am wondering isn't the dust mixed with woodglue a good thing or not? Thanks.

@Stelios.Posantzis 11 ай бұрын

@@matthiaswandel if you mean this one kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g6iWrad2zMylYH0.html I already have. In that video you have tested wood specimens where the force is applied only against the wood grain. I am suggesting two more tests: a) one with the grain i.e. the pulling force would be exerted in the same direction as the wood grain e.g. by making a square mortise (say of 8mm thickness by 3cm width), at a predefined distance from the specimen edge, say 1cm, inserting a square iron bar of same thickness in the mortise and pushing in the direction of the grain, outwards towards the edge which lies 1cm away and b) one against the grain where the same procedure as above would be used but this time the bar would be pushed laterally against the grain and outwards in the direction of the mortise face that is 3cm wide. This second test is similar to the test you have made but different in that it tests the strength of cohesion between the wood fibres rather than the resistance to breakage of a bundle of wood fibres.

@mckenziekeith7434 11 ай бұрын

@@Stelios.Posantzis engineering tests on wood have been done in the past. It might make an interesting video. But the conclusion based on previous test results is that most woods do not have high or predictable strength in sheer along the grain lines. Some tropical hardwoods might be exceptions to this rule. Keep the wood fibers in tension or compression. Don't ask them to resist shearing against each other.

@Stelios.Posantzis 11 ай бұрын

@@mckenziekeith7434 By unpredictable strength do you mean large variation, e.g. 100% or 200% or do you mean uncorrelated to the wood strength against bending forces (as tested in the other video)? Shearing forces exist in any mechanical dry wood joint as well as in wood fixed with fasteners.

@magnusnielsen2648 11 ай бұрын

What have you got against Marius anyway?

@tpaskevicius 11 ай бұрын

Why there's no auto subtitles on your videos? Thanks.

@matthiaswandel 11 ай бұрын

Please complain to youtube. I don't know why.

@bradleytuckwell4881 11 ай бұрын

I do prefer the rockler edge clamps

@matthiaswandel 11 ай бұрын

you mean those rubber band thingys?

@bradleytuckwell4881 11 ай бұрын

@@matthiaswandelyes bandy clamps they come in a few different sizes

@antonion.p.781 11 ай бұрын

Activa el traductor

@artemisspawnofzeus7732 10 ай бұрын

The cams dont slip. Like you can so obviously see that the cams dont slip. The clamp bends and the cams push out and rotate. The coefficient of friction is fine.

@artemisspawnofzeus7732 10 ай бұрын

The frame is the limiting factor. You can see it bend in the video. It obviously deflects significantly. How did you miss that.

@matthiaswandel 10 ай бұрын

Please watch the video carefully