"I run a KZfaq channel where I talking about learning languages through input" Language 100

I had exactly the same thing from a film director the other day. He replied to my review of his one and only movie which he shot in his loungeroom, and it's one of my favourite movies. So I interviewed him a few days later... I was a bit starstruck haha.

That's hilarious!

Mr Krashen surely?

This is cool 👏

Language acquisition powers level up!

Ok

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*TM101 Language Acquisition*

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I wonder if he visited the islands with old Noam..

*The men.*

@@rimenahi themselves

omg i just made a comment with exactly the same joke and thought i was being funny and original :(

He's talking to the C.E.O of immersion

Lol

It was a great interview. He really gave some fun and interesting stories :) so much that we can learn from.

I'm input person. But I don't want to make friends to improve my English. If he/she has same interests with me, I'd like to try it. If the purpose is leaning language, I'd rather pay for it.

But we also need to translate right? We cant just listen and read the words we dont know the meaning

@@OneTruth95 Comprehensible input means that those parts of the input that you don't know are easy to guess the meaning. With the help of various hints like the context, illustrations, realia, gestures, occasional translation or any other hints. If you can not guess then it just means that the input is not comprehensible at all or not comprehensible enough for your level. Also very rarely some people are just closed to the ides that they need to guess. It makes them uncomfortable. They don't have experience of such mental work, they are not confident enough and they don't tolerate the ambiguity. This mindset can be an extra filter for comprehensibility.

@@ComprehensibleRussian oh ok, thanks for clarifying.

I was about to post the same. My respect for him shot upwards. He never interpreted, he separated his own opinion from peer-reviewed science and he wasn't afraid of saying "I don't know".

Yes I really appreciate the honesty too. Saying I don't know shows a lot about a person's integrity in my opinion.

Agreed!!

+An Takabi Yeah dude, look at Sofía Vergara, the Colombian actress, people love her English accent. Americans love Arnold Schwarzenegger's English, so cool. I think accents are cool.

Can you please tell me the time code when he says that? I can’t find it . Nobody cares etc etc

Eyo fellow person of culture

@@klirmio21 His comment about not worrying about mistakes in output is a story he shared from the 10:00 until 12:10 minute mark 👍🏼

That was a nice reference, i liked it :)

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Since he made that 3 hour vid lol. At first i was really discouraged after watching it, but then i got motivated even more.

Absolutely. Output is NOT something which is forced, it's a natural result of enough comprehensible input. People REALLY need to know natural output is the result of enough comprehensible input.

This is wrong lol. Infinite esl students around me input 5 yrs and still cant talk property even though they seem to understand. Output to output. You don't get better at speaking by never speaking just like doingeverything else in this world.

@@bobjohnson1717 True. Although I think comprehensible input is underrated, I also agree that each skill needs to be practiced separately and in a balanced way. Yes, input might carry my level of comprehension to an advanced level, but it won't be of much help to my production (maybe in writing it will, but in fluent and accurate speech, no). Especially when you are no longer an infant, it is kind of wishful thinking to expect this. We cannot acquire a new language like babies. We are already capable of thinking/speaking/writing in a complex way in at least one other language.

True!

@@bobjohnson1717 It's not wrong you do aquire through input. Even if you can't reproduce it yet it's in your brain. You've aquired it now obviously you just have to get it out through speaking. He means you can't reproduce a language. Without first squiring it. The only way to do so is massive input. Then eventually you begin to speak it. If they can't speak well after five years. There's many other reasons why. Not consistent, not inputting everyday, not speaking often enough, the quality of input, your concentration, exc. This guy can speak great japanese after five years. The proof is in the pudding so to speak.

Agreed.

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Yeah, it was funny :))

Cool to see you here too. Love your channel by the way :)

Is he against Anki?

@@feliche2292 No, he just didn't immediately recognise what Matt was talking about. When Matt posed his theory on how Anki can work within Krashen's framework, he said "Yeah quite possibly."

@@daysandwords oh, thanks bro

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You didn't chicken out. She did. If she had merely asked, "how did you know?", you might have felt comfortable enough sharing this little detail with her.

Could you tell us aksjakjs Edit: 3 mins in and I found this on wikipedia: Unlike English and German, in Dutch the voiceless stops are unaspirated in all positions: thus while English tip and German Tipp are both [tʰɪp], Dutch tip is [tɪp] with an unaspirated [t]. Is this what you meant?

@@Matheus_Braz Probably this is it. It feels for me as if German people often "spit out" some of their "t"'s when speaking Dutch. Of course that exaggerated.

@@AJBonnema thx bro

It's interesting that Krashen says that he doesn't know about acquiring from one's own output. In his writings he hints at it here and there. J. Marvin Brown who came up with the ALG method by basically taking Krashen's hypotheses even further than Krashen himself was adamant that an extended silent period is vital to achieving native-like results. I put it all together and I think what happens is that early on we kid ourselves that we've mastered things that we haven't and this gives us a double whammy of acquiring the mistakes in our own output while simultaneously closing our minds to those elements in the input that we get

It's been a long time coming

@@mattvsjapan lmao

I love the fact that you say _Stepping ladders_ rather than _Stepping stones_ , it just shows how HIGH up in value this interview is, it's not on a hill, it's on a MOUNTAIN.

lol

From what I've seen, ALG is perfectly in life with the input hypothesis, so I imagine he would be a fan.... I've been meaning to look more into ALG myself!

Check out the channel Dreaming Spanish. The videos teach Spanish using the ALG method from beginner to advanced level.

@@jem7316 I love dreaming Spanish! Hopefully we get a dreaming japanese, and other "dreaming channels" soon

@@guerererererererererererer2806 Absolutely!

Bro, I admire you 😮❤❤

I stutter in my native language when talking to strangers.

Certified Bisayang Dako

@@Pedro-er6ps but you stutter in a native manner

Norman BT'S That's for sure.

Thanks for the 5 hours I'm sincerely happy that you could have the honor to talk with stephen krashen and that we could get all the knowledge that you carry with you

@@justsomeguywithoutamask9602 Ok.

congrats on removing the mask

Think about how many years Krashen has spent chasing alternative theories and comparing their results against his methods. It's like trying to teach someone a new way of mentally multiplying numbers: if they already have a working method for them, they're right in knowing alternative methods may exist, but may also be not as effective, so they're naturally skeptical or resistant to novelty. It's not simply that they're "stuck" on their concepts frameworks, but that they legitimately "know better" from their experience.

Italian here, you should try comics. Italy has amazing comic artists/writers, a couple of favorites are Gipi and Hugo Pratt. Check out Pratt`s "La ballata del mare salato" and Gipi`s "La mia vita disegnata male", "Appunti per una soria di guerra" or S." (anything by Gipi is great). These are graphic novels meant for adults (in the sense that they are really just literature with drawings), so they might feel a bit complex at first but the drawings may help when things become confusing and the beautiful narrative should be motivating enough to keep reading. My two cents anyway.

@@lucavitale973 Grazie assai, Luca! Gettero' un'occhiata ai questi fumetti.

This crossover is so anime

Oh, did you hear any news recently? I don't know him very well, but I got really interested in the Spanish book collection he mentions at 17:36. The entire interview is amazingly interesting.

@@benjaminkelly7871 That's right. Japanese is a gold mine of comics and they do include furigana. I totally agreed that finding something compelling or addictive in another language is the key to rapid acquisition. But also want to acknowledge that some languages reading systems make this much more difficult.

I'm currently experiencing this steep first hurdle in japanese. Reading is so much harder to get into than just watching something with subtitles. This problem only really presents itself to L2 learners of japanese too, since the native will learn spoken language before written, and can therefore correlate meanings and readings of kanji to the visual representation (an idea which matt has previously said would be the ideal way to learn language, if it wasn't so slow).

@Imperial Authority I've heard this goes against mia philosophy, any idea why?

+Vexxed Or go the entrepreneur Tim Ferriss route, he read all the One Piece manga (at the time) with buying the collection in English and Japanese. Easy translation in reading. I'm thinking of buying the entire Naruto manga, from English and Japanese, because they just keep talking a lot in their memories instead of fighting...it's useful.

just watch tv shows with japanese subs. the audio is like furigana for your ears xD

I think right now the consensus is that grammar instruction works, but not in isolation. Meaning that it works when it's done in response to a question that the learner has. Which intuitively would make sense. If you teach the grammar like that, the learner gets an "a-ha" moment. But if you teach grammar out of context, just with lists upfront on things the learner hasn't encountered yet, then he just won't see the relevance of that information, and will have a hard time incorporating it. The core of his thesis, the "learning vs acquisition" thing, hasn't stood up all that well to the test of time. And that's no diss on him. He came up with these ideas in the 60s/70s. But a lot has happened since then, and in particular in the last 2 or 3 decades where cognitive sciences have advanced in large strides. His idea was that grammar instruction helps, but only in the "monitoring" function, and it didn't help at all for the spontaneous production of speech. Namely it helps only for when you are consciously trying to be careful about how you phrase things. Brain imaging tells a different story, at least in the sense that neural systems related to speech production and neural systems related to executive functions are connected in a wide variety of ways. It's not all wrong, but it's just rather simplistic in light of current research. For instance, he says that the brain is good at acquiring language, but not so good at learning about language. That's true only in the sense that the brain is naturally geared to acquire language, but it is not naturally geared to learn explicit grammar rules. The problem is that he infers from that that anything we do that our brains aren't naturally geared to do, well, that will have less potency, less value in the learning/acquisition process. But here's the thing: our brains also aren't naturally geared to learn how to read either. There's nothing natural about that. It's a cultural invention, one that children can't learn without explicit instruction. In other words, literacy is "learned", not "acquired". This learned thing, literacy, completely rewires how the brain processes language. So, it's a bit disingenuous to then say that our brains aren't all that good at "learning" but to leave out just how powerful learning can be. Literacy is a prime example of something that you "learn", but that is so potent it completely changes how you "acquire". And tbh, I'm not entirely sure how Krashen promotes reading so much without having ever addressed that irony.

The thing is, the actual speaking in your examples is technically not what you're learning from, but rather they became a vehicle to getting input in the form of the other person's reaction. I think he means that just speaking the words to yourself in isolation is not a means of acquisition

Hi!!! I'm desperately looking for graded reading material in beginner Japanese, I would be so very thankful if you could tell me where you find the stories you are reading. At the moment I'm reading these books tadoku.org/japanese/en/ Please help, pretty please ^_^

千里之行始于足下。I've just discovered Chinese is such a compact ,concise language quoting your favorite quote. No more regrets over having to spent so long on Chinese literature.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Visualizing. Could you elaborate?

Watch what? You're already in the video.

@@JapanWalkerJJ he probably wrote that comment before the video has premiered

​@@donpax8959 Yes, it was that.

man, i'd love that.

the problem is that Stephen Krashen is a liar. he doesn't know anything about languages. if you do what he's saying you will never learn Mandarin.

@マークフゥ Stephen Krashen's theories are not entirely wrong, but the big problem is that he ended up becoming an authority on the subject to the point that people believed more in his theories than in the way the true polyglots learn any language. there are some techniques that have always worked to learn languages but Stephen Krashen condemns these methods to the point of saying that they do not work. most polyglots do not agree with him but prefer to teach Stephen Krashen's theories on the internet so as not to lose credibility and also to avoid controversy. if you really want to learn languages just use whatever method you think is best and just have the discipline to go to the end of the course and avoid going after theories and more theories that have no end and do not help anyone to learn. in fact, we don't need evidence for the obvious.

@@bofbob1 I really enjoyed your analysis and I’d love to hear your technique in learning languages. I’ve lived in the US for 28 years and I speak English fluently but I still make the occasional mistake every once and a while. I moved out of the US and now I only speak Arabic and sometimes English to non native speakers with low levels of the English language. So , my English is getting worse. I have high level of French comprehension but it’s difficult for me to speak the language. I’ve also just started learning European Portuguese. I mainly use KZfaq to learn both languages . Please share with us your methods of learning languages

@@bofbob1 Isn't C2 already native level?

@@bofbob1 I totally get you, for example in a written an listening exam I can get a score similar to a native but in absolutely no way I can pass for a native in writing, speaking or even sometimes comprehension (even if that's my strong side) I may pass a C2 exam but my skills are probably C1 or B2 Tops in English. (Not that I really made an effort to speak the language, I mean I had decent exposure when I was a kid but after that it was mainly consuming english media).