If you ask me the ability to "envision new sounds" is what has been missing from anything avant garde from Schoenberg to New Complexity. Serialism and any "composition" that uses random number generators are good examples of music made by tools (music notation, ultimately) and not a well-honed or creative imagination.

@@goldenthunder1166 I agree with your premise (Boulez realized the same after Structures) that serialism or any fixed process could never replace creativity. But I disagree that this has been missing from avant-garde. Especially in movements like spectralism, with composers like Vivier and Grisey whose music I adore, much of the point has been trying to envision and create new sounds

@@Cmaj7 I'm sure that spectralism is creating a great many sounds - as atonality, serialism and dodecaphony did before it - however, owing to its relative youth and the nature of its sonic source material, I very much wonder how many of those sounds have been "envisioned" and not merely... created. Formed on the page, with the help of mathematics, and not musically preconceived in the mind. Thank you for highlighting spectralism, though. (I have made a start on Grisey; but at present it seems to be merely a variation of atonality.)

Don't you ever get tired of doing this?

@@bassoonatic I was told that everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as you do not present it as as fact.

your comment is also beneath any remark. 🤮🖕

Fascinating piece that teeters from meditative calm to psychological tension. Brilliant. Sorry you missed it.

Bro hasn't seen Ligeti's Atmospheres

​@ericbenjamin2908 Agreed. Very suspenseful and with great instrumental textures used with economy and impact.

@@ericbenjamin2908 It's the same atonal nonsense that has been done multiple times before.