When both work together masterpieces are born. Ravel was known for being a perfectionist and slow worker, he would revisit his compositions several times before publishing

but who tells you? The mind of the emotions?

SadisticKillerXx well when you’re dealing with dissonance like he did, it must be hard to choose intervals which don’t kill the piece. truly a master at work

@@SadisticKillerXx fun fact: he discarded (burned in fact) the original final movement he composed for this sonata, even though he’s reported to have described it himself as “ravishing “. Apparently he felt it wasn’t energetic and propulsive enough to conclude the work satisfactorily (to his notoriously stringent and self-critical standards at least). Sad that it’s lost to posterity

“Don’t interpret my music, just play it” -Maurice Ravel

just on the 1st page and a lot of analitic fun

So true! And Tzigane and Sonata for Violin and Cello (even though they're duets).

And his 1st violin sonata and the septet

Understandable.

Introduction and allegro 100/10

@@danielduplat4257 What makes that piece even more impressive is the fact that he wrote it in a week.

You made a lot of theory kids happy

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what sonata type would you say this is? Also how would you attempt to analyse the blues section?

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It is!! Especially those nasty sul G passages

Looks like broken chords...was Sevcik inspired by this? And omg the intro sul G made me noooooooopppppeee

One can surely discern similarities with the last movement of his Piano Concerto in G

@@UtsyoChakraborty I was wondering whether if it just was me, or if it was very similar to the finale of Ravel's own Concerto in G...

Plus little echoes of "L'enfant et les Sortileges "!

Which is why I was damn disappointed when I realised I couldn't stretch the chords in the accompaniment :(

Right when that piano A-flat drops!

Ikkk! The second movement is called “The Blues”. It was inspired by Ravel’s trip to the U.S. where he learned about jazz. It was also written like that because he was going through some type of depression. But it’s just sooo groovy and upbeat!

Shades of Reinhardt and Grapelli

Oof, I don't like it :( Ravel was very meticulous and specifically wrote out where he wanted the movement to swing - the parts where he writes it straight is to contrast, to balance it out and to make the swing parts swing more

Douwe Ziel I know, I’ve thought that on reflection, and often there’s a contrast where the piano is written to sound swung while the violin plays straight quavers - I guess this is to show the mixing of classical and jazz genres. Still, it’s an interesting interpretation to hear.

@@samuelrobinson205 I agree, and I think the mixture of the two is what makes the movement so damn attractive 😄

Este no es mi perfil

Too much not to enjoy?

3rd movement reminds me of the 3rd movement of his piano concerto too

It is the other way round really. The concerto was composed several years after this sonata.

He uses the minor into major at the climax of the 2nd mvmt :) (Bb-G-Bb-D-G-B, same melodic shape/intervals as well)

And, only had he lived longer!

It doesn't sound anything like it.

@@zackl7467 however i meant the musical 'all that jazz" my friend

​@@orkunzafer yess its true😂

Wrong title

Pedant

L'enfant et les sortilège

Second movement of the piano concerto in G at 4:40, piano concerto for the left hand at 11:00, hints of Gershwin throughout...this piece is an awesome find

What kind of analysis are you thinking? A harmonic analysis of this piece is not too difficult - not as difficult as it may seem certainly.

For chords, I - II - V - I type tonal analysis would be less fruitful than classification by sonorities and intervals, (often open 5ths and major 7ths in this work). Themes and motifs should be fairly clear cut, and lead into classification by rhythm. The macro level forms are derived from the classical sonata but are not driven and shaped by functional tonal schemes. ( dechareli.lu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Dissertation-Baer-on-Ravel.pdf ) is a Ph.D. thesis containing an analysis at pg. 37 of the manuscript.

Schumann’s second violin sonata link: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bqt1h5CWsr_QnnU.html Go to 17:41 of the Schumann, to compare

Per un solo accordo?

Sounds like it!

Bruh... For 1 g major chord in pizzicato dosnt mean he was inspired by xD

Ravel? Quoting a GERMAN????

11:37 headbangs more aggressively

Renaud Capuçon & Franck Braley, at least based on another KZfaq video that sounds exactly the same.

Same

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ravel is an impressionistic composer same with debussy

True answer: Its Ravelianism, nothing quite like it. Also true answer: Ravel is the last of the Impressionists and the first of the neoclassicists

I don't know if there were ever any true impressionists in music. Both Ravel and Debussy almost always get classified that way, but the more you dive into their music, the more you realize they have absolutely nothing in common with Impressionist artists like Monet. They were basically just getting famous at the same time, so the wider public conflate them together. However, I know that Debussy associated himself a lot more with symbolist writers, and wished to be called a symbolist himself. This never caught on, though. He was also deeply influenced by Japanese art that he was exposed to at the Paris world fair (and I'm sure later too), and you can really hear that influence in his late works such as his piano etudes. Ravel was extremely ecclectic in the sources from where he got inspiration, but he tended to be kind of neoclassical (as someone else pointed out). He was also heavily influenced by the weird and morose literature of the Decadent movement in France. Anyway, this became a really big parragraph before I knew it, but the short answer is that they never saw themselves as impressionist, and they both draw from very different sources and artistic movements.

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very funny to read this (with all respect of course)! As this piece is to my years one of the most beautiful, concise and cohesive pieces I have heard! It's very interesting how different people hear the same thing differently/react opposingly. Some works by gershwin makes me cringe much more, I think

The second movement makes me smile, and broadly, to where my cheeks hurt