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@LtCdrXander3 жыл бұрын
They're gonna have Cloud and Zack meet in a timeline convergence for the sole purpose of reenacting the "Me? Gongaga" line
@awesauce13 жыл бұрын
What happens in the cloud timeline?
@LtCdrXander3 жыл бұрын
@@awesauce1 I have no idea
@bucciallatisscarabhairclip70393 жыл бұрын
@@awesauce1 'Me? Nibelheim.' That's what happens
@oscarrosado64403 жыл бұрын
Maybe they also meet Sora and Mickey, who knows.
@anewchallenger28253 жыл бұрын
Sora: me? Destiny Islands
@P3wP3wPanda3 жыл бұрын
When Max was talking about the timeline diagram, all I could think about was: "Zack to the Future"
@Malficious3 жыл бұрын
I thought of the Charlie Conspiracy meme from it's always sunny in Philadelphia personally.
@nikkilengyel3 жыл бұрын
"Zack to the future" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 well played, sir!
@DestinovaDrakar3 жыл бұрын
Your not off. I think what we see in INTERmission is Zack in the future ^_-.
@iamjoehill3 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@sincomas3 жыл бұрын
Dude... I know this is a joke, but think this... Zack is in the future, AFTER aerith death, this is the memorial...
@lynxofhyrule3 жыл бұрын
I'm trying to figure out where Zack dumped the comatose Cloud before going to the church.
@ObsidianShinobi8013 жыл бұрын
Ikr!!!!
@gman25703 жыл бұрын
@@ObsidianShinobi801 probably with kunsel
@Sylveonismyicon3 жыл бұрын
Probably bumped into Tifa coming down to the slums like Cloud did in the OG timeline and handed him off to her?
@gman25703 жыл бұрын
@@Sylveonismyicon did kunsel ever have a plan in crisis core for where zack could hide in midgar. There had to be a good reason for zack to go to midgar originally since it was shinra hq
@Sylveonismyicon3 жыл бұрын
@@gman2570 I believe Zack going back to Midgar was solely because of Aerith if I remember the ending of Crisis Core right. Because the slot machine mechanic got stuck on her in his last battle.
@whyjordie2 жыл бұрын
Cloud and Zack fighting Sephiroth… just the thought gives me chills
@skythegamedev3751 Жыл бұрын
Ok, complete crazy talk on my part, but imagine... Cloud, Zack, and Sephiroth beating up Sephiroth Hear me out lmao. What if the big evil penultimate Planet Sephiroth that Max proposes here isn't actually going to preserve the planet but actually suck it dry until it's a husk? This Sephiroth may be so far gone, delusional, and think that he's "preserving the planet" when in reality, he's just destroying it. Perhaps he'd be challenged by another Sephiroth who can see what his doppelganger cannot. This would force him to team up with Cloud and Zack. Ultimately, if there is a way to preserve Sephiroth's evil jackassery while allowing him to feasibly team up with Cloud and Zack, I'm pretty sure the internet would explode. At least, Max would lmao
@MariusBoss11458 Жыл бұрын
"Need a hand with 'im?" *Shakes head* "Let's go bro!"
@mellemadswoestenburg1296 Жыл бұрын
@@MariusBoss11458 And that's when Cloud won't complain about being called "bro" for the first time.
@rodrigomoreira2629 Жыл бұрын
@@skythegamedev3751 bro... don't give me hope dude LMFAO
@NerdGeekTalk11 ай бұрын
No one wants that
@justingabriel17653 жыл бұрын
Chat “the flowers have wilted” Max “bullshit… OOOOOH!!!”
@genos6843 жыл бұрын
16:12 Me: OHHHHHHHHHHH MAHDAFAHKA! OHHHH!!
@zarckresnik5353 жыл бұрын
Now the question is how (Clouds) Aerith reacts to Zack? Elmyra mentioned she hates the mako eyes which implies she met a soldier but the question who if not Cloud?
@Madman68843 жыл бұрын
Fuck are they even talking about, no they're not? They're no more drooped than they were in any other scene. If anything you could say its that there's a crushed spot in the middle of them, implying Cloud fell on them, ergo not a separate timeline, but its not really a precise enough a detail to make that claim one way or the other.
@jessaramos29923 жыл бұрын
@@Madman6884 Totally agree. I have seen the scene so many times and they just look crushed not wilted? I mean I guess you can still take that as symbolism but damn some of these theories are GOING OFF lol
@aaronhathorn34513 жыл бұрын
@@jessaramos2992 just ask yourself why would they show the flowers being crushed instead of wilted? It adds no significance to the scene by being crushed. They show the flowers for a reason. Just like the surprised expression on Zack's face when he walks in the church. They would not show Zack with that look unless it has something to do with Aerith. Hence her being dead in his timeline. Just think, why would they show Zack looking surprised because people in the church are mourning the Sector 7 plate falling? His story has nothing to do with that...
@Smashogun3 жыл бұрын
Aerith: "My stomach's in knots" Did she feel herself get impaled in the OG timeline?
@joeyriddle4283 жыл бұрын
Yo......
@malinenh013 жыл бұрын
This guy gets it...
@nadstengco25913 жыл бұрын
and, it also started to rain.. everyone needs to remember that FF7R is resembling the rain for Zack.. it was raining when he died, it was raining when he survived and it also started to rain when Aerith felt something different.. then we immediately go to Zack.. so yeah, it's because of Zack in my opinion..
@rovin95473 жыл бұрын
bruh...
@squallleonhart93873 жыл бұрын
Stop that! It’s way too soon!😭
@ggg212013 жыл бұрын
Max: "There's only one other character in FF7 that is truly connected to the planet and has a deeper understanding of the planet like on a spiritual level like no other character in other characters in any of these games do...and its..." Me: "Aeri--" Max: "Bugenahagen" Me: ...🥺
@EsquilaxM3 жыл бұрын
He meant apart from Aerith and Sephiroth
@xxreyoxx2 жыл бұрын
Its ok, i thought he was gonna say Vincent. But Bugenhagen makes more sense.
@C_XIII2 жыл бұрын
@@xxreyoxx Vincent has more information on the conception/creation of Sephiroth than the workings of the Lifestream tbh
@MariusBoss114582 жыл бұрын
When I watched the vid I didn't understand who he was talking about. Now that I can see it in Text just like the OG game I know who he's talking about. Grandpa. Like c'mon. His name is awful and I can't remember it. Grandpa is a better name.
@Amocoru3 жыл бұрын
I could actually watch you gush about this game for twenty straight hours and still be on the edge of my seat. Your excitement is so contagious and you helped me enjoy the remake even more than I would have on my own.
@randomizednerd Жыл бұрын
Same in a way - played the game and liked it, but was VERY happy to watch all Max's playthroughs and of course all the theory stuff and conversations. I am consumed. And happy about it :D
@CJTranceAddiction Жыл бұрын
Mo offence but this is a very sad kind of thing to say. You cannot enjoy things on your own? You need someone else to show you how to enjoy stuff? Honestly? Watching other people play and talk about it makes me enjoy less. I’m at my best enjoyment when I’m locked alone with a game and story to take it all in only I know how.
@rosenrot2343 жыл бұрын
I just love that Zack is still a big goober in his cutscene.
@i.theworstguys2983 жыл бұрын
hyping himself up to make sure he doesn’t fumble his re-introduction to aerith is so on brand and so sweet of him!
@squallleonhart93873 жыл бұрын
**”ACTIVATING COMBAT MODE”**
@MacenW3 жыл бұрын
I'm back :D
@alen11813 жыл бұрын
I feel the version of the CC in him im so happy
@DefMM1233 жыл бұрын
For real the voice actor did a much better job here!
@wtfbluestrife3 жыл бұрын
"Barret stop being so beautiful." Wait till he gets his sailor uniform. Kind of miss mine.
@ScrewFearMe3 жыл бұрын
I wanna see Red XIII in the sailor uniform 🤣🤣🤣
@brianc30633 жыл бұрын
@@ScrewFearMe and then I want to see the normal crew on the boat just look at him and be like "yeah nothing suspicious about that... move along"
@ScrewFearMe3 жыл бұрын
@@brianc3063 Yeah
@zovinchen32813 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the one when he looks like a bear wearing a marshmallow
@Silent_Fool3 жыл бұрын
@@zovinchen3281 Barret: “I AM VERY MUCH AWARE OF HOW I LOOK ADORABLE! OK!”
@PratikParija3 жыл бұрын
The Zack cutscene cleared my doubts about the voice actor. All the voice actors are soooo goooddd!!
@ElPsyKongroo Жыл бұрын
Howabout after crisis core reunion?
@jackcampbell7898 Жыл бұрын
@@ElPsyKongroo he was still good in reunion, the voice direction in that game was just shit…like in the original crisis core
@DemonLordSparda Жыл бұрын
@@ElPsyKongroo His voice and delivery from Junon onwards is very good. He sounded goofy on purpose as a wide eyed puppy.
@eclipsicalbluestocking118210 ай бұрын
@@ElPsyKongroo He just needed some better voice direction and a script that wasn't written fifteen years ago
@Puzzles-Pins9 ай бұрын
Yeah there are a lot of good actors that put on a bad performance because there isn't much they can do to salvage it with the script and direction they are working with. The greatest ones can sometimes make it almost work, but best case they're carrying what is otherwise a crap production.
@strelitziamystery213 жыл бұрын
The last scene gave me faith in Zack's new voice actor
@asimb0mb2 жыл бұрын
Sounded like a whole different voice actor, huge difference (for the better)
@strelitziamystery212 жыл бұрын
@@asimb0mb its the same VA that voiced Zack in FF7R Part 1
@asimb0mb2 жыл бұрын
@@strelitziamystery21 I know, I'm just saying he completely changed his tone.
@strelitziamystery212 жыл бұрын
@@asimb0mb thats true, it is way better than how he voiced Zack previously!
@bionic1matt Жыл бұрын
@@asimb0mb I feel like he just needed time to get into the character. From what we've heard so far, it seems like he's giving it his all, and that's all we can ask for, i think he's amazing
@OtakuD503 жыл бұрын
Consider this possibility: The convergence point is the Bizarro Sephiroth battle. Instead of switching between party members, you switch between timeline parties.
@ashen78433 жыл бұрын
Now that would be epic!
@a17zazueta213 жыл бұрын
I like this
@fruitsalad24583 жыл бұрын
Square: "WRITE THAT DOWN"
@sneslive15563 жыл бұрын
Awww that sounds so cool.
@AliJayShannon3 жыл бұрын
Exactly my thought too. I cant see it being any other way tbh.
@menhirmike3 жыл бұрын
FF7 Remake: Schrödinger's Aerith.
@e1v1a193 жыл бұрын
FF7: Back Into the Endgame-verse
@SlamBolts3 жыл бұрын
She's dead and alive at the same time, at all times!
@nicodalusong1493 жыл бұрын
@@SlamBolts Simply observe and then close the doors and open them again for another result (which may still be the same result).
@ValAllenSamonte3 жыл бұрын
Schrödinger's Zack as well lol
@bman39773 жыл бұрын
If we don't open the video game case to Final Fantasy VII Remake... then Aerith is alive and dead AT THE SAME TIME!
@KalaamNozalys3 жыл бұрын
I love how in french Barret doesn't go "what's up with the damn birds?" but just cracks a loud, angry, exhausted "KWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH!"
@xxreyoxx2 жыл бұрын
Lmao i have to search that up now!
@luke_d22152 жыл бұрын
Same thing in the German version
@gabriellebrown5296 Жыл бұрын
Same in Japanese XD. He also doesn't yell stop!! He just screams when he steps in front of the car too I love Barrett lol😂
@juubi249 Жыл бұрын
My question is, what will happen to the Cloud that Zack literally carried back to Midgar
@mori_san8206 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking about this, because okay timeline convergence but the Cloud from "Zack's timeline" is alive and we don't know what two Clouds will do to the timeline ?????...
@TacoLex Жыл бұрын
Or… send cloud’s ass back home 😂
@tumei1851 Жыл бұрын
I've been thinking about the same thing for a while. I don't have any good theories since the new plot can go in so many different directions, but I think it's pretty safe to say that we won't have two clouds interacting with each other in part 2 or 3, despite zack carrying him back to midgar. Don't know how they'll explain it, but the concept of two clouds interacting with each other is so insane that surely there's no way it's going to happen, which eases my worrying mind.
@shahnawazadam7230 Жыл бұрын
@@tumei1851 Could also be that Cloud in Zaks timeline dies from the Mako poisoning so both Aerith and Cloud could be gone and this sets up Biggs and Jessie being his companions
@tomatoesofdoom Жыл бұрын
@@tumei1851 in my opinion, a super powered Cloud that has no "Zacks Death" in his mind is a character ripe for exploration. Just off the top of my head I can imagine that character siding with Sephiroth
@GoldLight733 жыл бұрын
Listen, all I want from this is Zack and Cloud doing Dual Omnislash.
@takeruneverborn47403 жыл бұрын
Zack does OmniSlash with Ultima Weapon while Cloud Does Version 7 with Fusion Blade awhile with My theory Sephiroth(Hero) does his own Octaslash,my theory is that Jehovah has been actually in control of Sephiroth this entire conflict and that by battling both Cloud and Zack in the final encounter the True Sephiroth that was broken by the truth of his existence with awaken possibly by the spirits of his comrades and mother Lucrecia with the aid of Vincent & Aeirth(If she Surivives) and comes to aid cloud and possibly servers Cloud Connection to him and jehovah so Cloud can live without sacrifice and Sephiroth will die as a hero ending his accursed nightmare
@kiwi_jong3 жыл бұрын
Listen, all I want from this is Zack and Aerith meeting again and happy.
@heavyc44503 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Zack uses OctoSlash.
@ryanrusty66103 жыл бұрын
all i want is Zack to remain dead
@marksullivan003 жыл бұрын
Listen here, all I want is some bromance between Cloud and Zack in the next games lol.
@berk64133 жыл бұрын
These are always my fav part of his playthroughs. So fun to see him theorize and speculate
@jedispartancoolman3 жыл бұрын
This game is a sequel to advent children change my mind
@solomon96553 жыл бұрын
@@jedispartancoolman in the sense that Sephiroth has memories from the future and is acting accordingly, yeah. It’s hardly a theory at this point.
@xRagingxDemonx3 жыл бұрын
Same.
@jedispartancoolman3 жыл бұрын
@@solomon9655 you would be surprised how many people think otherwise
@RobRJW3 жыл бұрын
and you know someone at Square Enix is watching these videos and just eating this shit up.
@Pysnpai3 жыл бұрын
“His Laguna mission” Bro, you’re a genius. That FFVIII Laguna and Squall gameplay comparison was FUCKING….GENIUS!
@Wiltgenator183 жыл бұрын
Here's something I remembered when I was about this to someone else online, and it's a bit of spoilers for Advent Children: Remember when Aerith mention that the church had a special "power" to Cloud explaining why the flowers were so resilient after he fell? Turns out that the church and the flowers are right above a flow of Lifestream, which is why they're still healthy even after Aerith is gone in Advent Children. Now with that in mind, think back to the ending of Intermission. Those flowers are in a worse shape than they ever are in the entire series before this. If that's the case,not only should we wonder about Aerith...but what's also going on with the Lifestream? With that all said now, I think I'm ready to see if any of this holds up once Part 2 arrives.
@strelitziamystery212 жыл бұрын
Omg, you're right!
@D_Galagaran2 жыл бұрын
Damn this is what you expect from a BlazBlue fan, knows about Different world/Timeline shit. I myself would never caught the details about the Flowers if it werent for your comment.
@TheKnizzine2 жыл бұрын
Time Devouerer Jenova
@rleeton1 Жыл бұрын
Oh damn, this guy just achieved Level 5 😮
@Tobius211x3 жыл бұрын
I think its great how the feelings we have towards Zack are identical to how they were when we first played FF7 Original, just pure confusion about why this guy keeps showing up and what purpose it serves
@abookamongsthemanypj71403 жыл бұрын
I had the same thought.
@Lakross1013 жыл бұрын
People giving the writers shit cuz obviously there's fear in new narrative. But everytime I go through it all I just feel the tidal wave of respect and love that Remake's writing has to the og material. The music, too.
@Jm6493 жыл бұрын
@@Lakross101 agreed it's honestly a masterpiece
@EvilPumpkin3 жыл бұрын
@@Lakross101 Every time that Nojima and Nomura tried to mess with time-travel bs and alternative dimensions. It went horribly bad. So people have reasons to be scared.
@Lakross1013 жыл бұрын
@@EvilPumpkin that's what I said. Fear in new narrative.
@terrabranford92533 жыл бұрын
The Red herring is definitely the church ending in Intergrade. Zack is alive in a complete separate timeline but somehow both timelines will merge because of Sephiroth. The main enemy in all timelines is Sephiroth and somehow they all need to come together to fight him.
@blakep2673 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I mean I think it’s a given that there will be a zack cloud team up against sephirpth in the finale
@jedispartancoolman3 жыл бұрын
This game is a sequel to the orginal series. Read the extended lore books and watch advent children and it pretty much confirms it
@NeroSparda993 жыл бұрын
@@WhiteHawk77 I mean the immediate reaction is these people are in the church are there because of sector 7, it's not really that difficult to jump to that conclusion. They're definitely leaving bread crumbs either way
@kameronmiller22263 жыл бұрын
Thanos
@ra00285343 жыл бұрын
There's only one timeline, the Zack parts are just the past.
@MartinMc903 жыл бұрын
Can we talk about Hojo? Original FF kept calling Cloud a failure but in the remake is super excited about his hypothesis. He has big IQ plays for the finally of all this
@ThoraxetheImpaile1002 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that OG Hojo forgot that Cloud was a failed experiment until he told him. Hojo may remember Cloud but not that he wrote him off as a failure.
@randomizednerd Жыл бұрын
Yes thank you! I'm really curious about what that bastard is doing since he's so interested in Cloud now. And why IS that? Hm, he did get reminded of Cloud earlier on than in the OG, so maybe he just got some ideas from that. But what...
@iceman10129 Жыл бұрын
Can't wait for a cut scene next game of Zack watching Cloud die in his arms in the rain on that cliffside.
@corvus34933 жыл бұрын
When zack's practicing his greetings it's like he's talking to the player "long time no see" "how you been?" I'm just happy he's back...
@Malacite3 жыл бұрын
Me too man. He's my favorite character in all of FF. Crisis Core itself was just an OK game with frankly awful writing, but I just adore Zack and want to see him reunite with his Waifu.
@dennishasan80612 жыл бұрын
Yeah i hope we follow Aeriths and Zack married life for about 100h. Cause catering to fan theories and shipping always made a good story.
@alchalant46633 жыл бұрын
I think 6 or 7 years for the end is pretty conservative. I just hope I live long enough to see the end and I’m 35.
@norekolivas3 жыл бұрын
yeah this shit is gonna take waay more
@luansomething3803 жыл бұрын
Yeah, i think if the get each part 3 to 4 years a part from each other, maybe by 2036 we'll be done with this story.
@michafraczek14983 жыл бұрын
FF7R will have at least 4 parts. Bruh
@lemao22223 жыл бұрын
You worried about age? I'm worried about the future in general. Let's hope we don't see another world spanning BS getting in the way of development.
@forkymental51543 жыл бұрын
Our planet's probably going to be destroyed before they finish this remake.
@DroWarriorOfLight3 жыл бұрын
Besides agreeing to Max almost every single time during this stream, I remember that all this talk filled me with happiness as cheesy as it sounds. Talking about the game I love the most (or the remake) with the same passion as me while interacting with everyon just made me have that moment of "FUCK, I LOVE THIS GAME". Sharing what you love with people as passionate is contagious, man, and it feels great.
@Adrian-zs3ol3 жыл бұрын
I feel the same way, dude. Even if I was never really a big fan of the FF7 compilation, FF7R has definitely brought it to my attention, so I'm really looking forward to seeing what future parts have to offer.
@saigonotapioka68133 жыл бұрын
that's also why I love youtube or twitch when someone plays a game that they like, the thing isn't what you talk or who talks, but how you do, when you share with other people something that you love, is kinda of contagious.
@eyedominate12573 жыл бұрын
Imagine when time does finally converge and they hype everything up to hit you with Zack and Aerith dyeing. 😭
@jenniferchough3 жыл бұрын
Well, the devs did say that FFVIIR will keep the same major story points as the OG. The situation might be different or how it happens may be different but they said the big stuff that makes FFVII the game that it is will remain the same. So that means Aerith and Zack still gotta meet each other in the Lifestream eventually. :-(
@theemms52882 жыл бұрын
My gut feeling tells me that Cloud will be the one to kill Aerith, Zack will witness it and battle the party, gets defeated and morphs to Jenova-LIFE. To twist the knife further, there will be a Jenova battle down further that will feature an assimilated "dead" Aerith.
@C_Squared20133 жыл бұрын
I don't think either scene is a red herring. The ending of the main game has the bag, and the ending of INTERmission has a church that is visually in a much better condition than the one we saw when we played through Sector 5. The church in the Zack cutscene, especially the outside, looked pristine instead of run down. The floor was in better shape in the Zack cutscene. Zack is for sure in a different timeline than the one we spent the main game in and the church helps support the bag. The question I keep coming back to is whether or not our crew returned to their timeline after the Singularity, or did they enter Zack's? Why would the planet give Aerith knowledge that Zack was alive at the end of the main game? HOW could the planet give her knowledge that Zack was alive, unless she was in that timeline? Unless the knowledge of the planet transcends and passes through timelines. Also, notice that at the end of the main game, it started raining when Aerith sensed Zack had passed by. And it started raining when the gang arrived at Kalm, with Aerith saying her stomach was in knots. The Zack cutscene followed. I dunno.
@eddy50973 жыл бұрын
I think the rain at Kalm is supposed to be a buildup to cloud telling his story with Sephiroth at the inn
@Quetzalma3 жыл бұрын
the singularity happened before they left the city, when they leave and they cross each other, they clearly aren't in the same "dimension/timeline/universe" or they'd react to each other, Aerith does seem to react to it, but that could just be her thing and the planet knowledge could itself be a singularity, so it'd be shared among all timelines, giving her that knowledge. I'm way more interested in knowing what happened with Aerith in Zack's timeline, I'm guessing that because the ghosts no longer exist, they no longer protect Aerith from the Turks to force the "right timeline" to happen, and at some point between Zack's Last Stand and the time he goes to the church(we don't really have a timeline for this, could be a day, could be a week, could be more...), they managed to capture her, or maybe even kill her by accident. Or maybe she just shows up from behind and pokes him in the shoulder and the people are crying for some other reason.
@TruckDrivinGamer3 жыл бұрын
I respect what you're saying, but the one big element that you have to factor in to your thinking: Zack has a buster sword, and Cloud has a buster sword. The only way that's possible is in divergent realities / timelines.
@C_Squared20133 жыл бұрын
@@Quetzalma My thing is that because Zack beating the Shinra soldiers would've happened a week or so prior to our crew getting through Shinra HQ and taking on Sephiroth, I've always perceived Aerith walking by Zack and Cloud as her learning that Zack is alive and passed through that same place at some point. So what I have to wonder is if knowledge like that can pass through the timelines and be learned regardless of where it occurred, or is our crew in the same timeline? I think that the people are in the church are refugees from sector 7.
@C_Squared20133 жыл бұрын
@@TruckDrivinGamer Well that's why I wonder what timeline our crew entered after the Singularity. If they entered Zack's, then Cloud brought the Buster Sword from his timeline along with him.
@ManuKazu113 жыл бұрын
Sephiroth: The old man said that if a kid with a sword or a man with a gun-arm asked for the almanac... -shows gun
@ryanrick64433 жыл бұрын
Just never thought it’d be you..
@PilgrimMinistry3 жыл бұрын
Sephiroth married the love of his life, Claudia Strife Cloud: “NOOOOOOOOOOOOO” *whacked*
@ryanrick64433 жыл бұрын
@@PilgrimMinistry The easy way
@ryanrick64433 жыл бұрын
Hey Sephiroth you’re forgetting one thing…. WHAT THE HECK IS THAT?!
@nikkilengyel3 жыл бұрын
@@PilgrimMinistry your comment has me in stitches 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@TwoDimensional3 жыл бұрын
All those people in the church made me think advent children when everyone was sick
@MarxasThomas3 жыл бұрын
Geostigma.......think i spelled it right!
@free29283 жыл бұрын
If Cloud meets alternate timeline Zack, that would be very interesting... so much potential in the remake for great things to happen, and I am sure the Square won't disappoint.
@jenniferchough3 жыл бұрын
There is already a Cloud in Zack's timeline though so either Zack has to be pulled into Remake Cloud's somehow. Otherwise, you would have two Clouds floating around. >.>
@jaxxmarcano55302 жыл бұрын
I'm worried they will disappoint
@enriquepowers Жыл бұрын
@@jaxxmarcano5530 Nomura’s stories typically don’t disappoint since it’s hard to understand
@jaxxmarcano5530 Жыл бұрын
@@enriquepowers how do hose two things correlate? Convolutions of stories don't make them good. I.e. kingdom hearts ff15 I can go on.
@osoon-dosoon3 жыл бұрын
I hope there's a scene where Zack goes to Turtle's Paradise and eats a bag of terrier Stamp chips.
@itsdantaylor3 жыл бұрын
or the gang walks by a stamp poster in kalm and it's a terrier (implying that basically stamp was changed when the arbiter was defeated, signaling the changes to the present) and are like "......was this dog always like this?"
@marksullivan003 жыл бұрын
In the next games there will probably a Zack DLC, or a Zack storyline where you have to play as him in his alternate timeline.
@PilgrimMinistry3 жыл бұрын
Why can I see Zack doing this?
@sbfh0143 жыл бұрын
Zack eating chips as Aerith's theme plays and starts crying, like that Keanu meme. "I'm sorry!"
@ARMRStudios3 жыл бұрын
If it's indeed a different timeline, I imagien Sonon is alive in Zack's timeline and he'd probably be part of Zack's party.
@Brawl8473 жыл бұрын
Yeah, maybe Nero killed Yuffie in Zack's timeline while Sonon got away, then if there's a timeline-convergence, Survivor-Yuffie and Survivor-Sonon get to meet and kill Nero together. Kind of an interesting 'Have your cake and eat it too' revenge-scenario where they'd get to fight Nero alongside the person they lost to Nero and want revenge on him for in the first place.
@Fleetw00d3 жыл бұрын
The FF7 alt main party - Zack, Zangan, Dyne, Gotoh, Sonon, Seto, Nero, Chadley. Nahhhhhh lol no way that happens
@xMarrilliamsx3 жыл бұрын
@@Brawl847 That gave me goosebumps. That would be so sick!
@xMarrilliamsx3 жыл бұрын
That would be so sweet. Hopefully we can get that :)
@AnubisDark3 жыл бұрын
That would be amazing, hopefully he will also have Jessie, Biggs and Wedge in his party
@aschen6 ай бұрын
Well you nailed what the opening of rebirth basically is lol
@yujin-19076 ай бұрын
And yea it was amazing lol
@rodrigomoreira26296 ай бұрын
Okay, rewatching this video 1 week before Rebirth comes out and Max saying "Have the next game opening scene be Cloud and Sephiroth being bros together in the back of a truck in a rainy night" B R O... this shit is wild to me LOL
@thatguycisco73213 жыл бұрын
Zack's party is going to be Jessie, Biggs, wedge, and Roach
@Trebolf3 жыл бұрын
Put Sonon in there too
@QiscCastle3 жыл бұрын
I think Jessie and Leslie are good bets considering their prominence in the last game. As well as the spotlight on their motivations.
@reddragoner19323 жыл бұрын
so Zack, Avalanche, Jessie, Roach, and Sonon... great now I'm waiting for two games
@qyaruddick3 жыл бұрын
Cissnei would be there too 😎
@e1v1a193 жыл бұрын
Needs Nayo too. She’s the Tifa of the group. The big booba factor.
@sdbzfan13 жыл бұрын
that ending either means two things 1. Zack went straight to the church after dropping off Cloud in midgar, meaning that scene takes place weeks before the first bombing run in his timeline 2. Zack got to Midgar but because of time issues he's somehow there in his own timeline after the plate fell as we saw at the end of the game he and an unconcious cloud passed the group leaving midgar in a white void showing they would never cross paths, the only reason I don't fully believe in the second idea is a the roof of the church is still intact and a plate falling would be something Zack couldn't not see and be wondering what the hell happened, people think because Zack doesn't see Aerith that she is missing when to me it makes more sense that Zack never went to her house first and just assumed she would be at the church and was surprised when he didn't see her Edit: So some people are wondering about 2 things, time and the church, as someone pointed out Zack and Cloud were experimented on for 4 years and spent a year on the road trying to get to Midgar hense Cloud saying in the main game it's been 5 years since he and Tifa meet again 2. Is it the same Church, short answer no, long answer, look at the lighting in the Church You can clearly see beams of light from the windows but no light coming from where Cloud would have fallen leaving a big fuck off hole in the roof, Zack seems to be there anywhere around Midday to early breakfast but that doesn't matter because under the Plate their light comes from the sunlamps to emulate day time and we know from CH6 of the main game the sun lamps do not move they are always overhead meaning if there was a hole in the roof it would be impossible not to notice
@mysticmunguss3 жыл бұрын
i think 2. is true because the kid who is crying injured was seen at the start of ff7 riding a bicycle on the upper plate
@ra00285343 жыл бұрын
It's the first one, currently Zack is still in the past, before the bomb run.
@kitsunisan3 жыл бұрын
If the roof is still intact it's because there was no Cloud to fall through it. Doesn't have any bearing to the timing of the plate falling imo.
@luansomething3803 жыл бұрын
The kids crying in the church and the flowers for me means more than just "Aerith wasn't there". I think Zack is in a different timeline and in his timeline Aerith is dead.
@un_known58953 жыл бұрын
wait wait wait!!!! aerith is dead because Cloud wasn't there to help her when she was attacked by the plot ghosts!(or sephiroth himself?) because in the now Zack's alive timeline he's more than likely still a vegetable and zack's death was the moment to wake him up, thus him running into aerith after sector 1 bombing didn't become a thing. or maybe.... Barret and Tifa more than likely went on the run and got attacked by the guard scorpion and because Cloud wasn't there to give hints and tips on the damn thing, they died as a result!. so the midgar gang is in fact dead in zack's timeline! sector one didn't get blown up and Aerith got attacked by Sephiroth/plot ghosts
@jimmike80292 жыл бұрын
15:31 I genuinely got chills and started tearing up. I never cry but this possible realization give me BIG chills
@jimmike80292 жыл бұрын
I was assuming it was because the plat fell but.......
@knighthabuga74293 жыл бұрын
13:56 "This is nice" while Tifa in the screen Me: I could not have agreed more
@BltzZ3 жыл бұрын
At this point squares just effing with us. AND I LOVE IT!
@Alex_Lagogianis3 жыл бұрын
Speaking of things I love. I LOVE your channel! Keep up the amazing content, mate 🤙
@marksullivan003 жыл бұрын
Pretty much lol.
@mas87053 жыл бұрын
Matpat: Time to write a new episode of game theor- Max: GET THE HELL OUT! I’m the only qualified person to theorize over Final Fantasy 7!
@dranillaasrapti93336 ай бұрын
So Max predicted the demo, cool
@JamestheKilljoy3 жыл бұрын
As soon as I finished the DLC I came here for Max’s reaction and theories! What an ending and overall very fun DLC. Only complaint is I want more haha
@jacksonmaguire50303 жыл бұрын
When I first saw the ending I was thinking. "Cannot wait for Max's reaction and thoughts!"
@TheIceLurker3 жыл бұрын
That's my ideal start of FFVII remake part 2 as well, just strat straight from the Nibelheim backstory it would be so freaking amazing
@theblindbuildergrandminuti56483 жыл бұрын
It could end, then flashing forward at the inn as cloud says… that’s all I can remember…
@GoldenMushroom643 жыл бұрын
@@theblindbuildergrandminuti5648 no like that is EXACTLY what I have been fantasizing for the past several years. I can literally see it in my head
@ebitoro45903 жыл бұрын
As much as that would be cool, in light of the new ending we'll probably start with Zack's side of things to streamline the story. The flashback should transition straight into the main gameplay with Cloud, so the only way they can set up Zack and his situation would be to bring that to the beginning first, then cut away to Nibelheim for extra mindscrew.
@Zeke14602 жыл бұрын
I swear this is exactly what I was thinking when someone pointed out the differences in scenery from what we expected. Tho I would like it more if Cloud and Zack were to meet earlier in the story. So we could have them both in the party.
@noobsaibot44662 жыл бұрын
13:30 bruh, this is exactly what is shown in thr new trailer, oh my god, max is nostradamus
@Nornlazy3 жыл бұрын
Imagine in the opening of part 2 where the flash back takes plays you can actually control Cloud and Sephiroth in that short dragon battle.
@salverobosa71352 жыл бұрын
I would much prefer if the opening of Part 2 will allow us to take control of Alt. Zack for a short period of time. Just to catch up with things he missed, while he was gone hehe
@purpleheart91602 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure if they can pull off the plot twist of the Nibelheim Incident, with Zack being alive and all that.
@BBQ_Ch1cken2 жыл бұрын
It certainly seems that way now
@lefthandrule6382 жыл бұрын
That id a good opportunity for a tutorial actually. Cloud is still weak and unskilled so it’s the perfect opportunity to teach new and returning players the basic mechanics.
@SetoShadowVT3 жыл бұрын
I love how Zack make's Max speechless a SECOND time lol
@guillermofeijoo77973 жыл бұрын
Imagine Zack's part of the story is him doing detective work and solving what tf is going on and piecing his story together. That would be so cool
@lissas41522 жыл бұрын
Agreed, I don't think either ending are red herrings simply because I also don't believe we have all the pieces to the story yet.
@salverobosa71352 жыл бұрын
And imagine Kunsel being a party member of Zack this time and we get to see his face! 😍
@mustafu40322 жыл бұрын
@@salverobosa7135 YEEEEES MORE KUNSEL SCREENTIME
@JS043 жыл бұрын
Agreed. There is definitely going to be a timeline convergence at some point. I figure Sephiroth is going to merge with multiple timeline versions of himself and that's who Zack and Cloud will have to fight; Perfect Sephiroth.
@bungifish22273 жыл бұрын
Did anyone else realise that whenever Zack is brought up/shown that the current cloud timeline it starts raining? And seems like aerith actually feels something bad when that happens like her saying her stomach in knots aswell as her reaction to the rain in the first ending of the remake. Also weird it feels like in this new ending the party, besides aerith, reaction to the rain seems like this is the first time it rained since leaving midgar. Because they had no reaction to the rain in the first ending of the remake except aerith? Also my bet is that they are setting up for a spinoff game with Zack timeline
@savann.sun19803 жыл бұрын
They react to the rain bkuz they dont have a shelters. I dont know where you live but imagine walking 5 hours in a desert no town or city around and suddenly it starts to rain. It feels good for some and scary for some.
@bungifish22273 жыл бұрын
@@savann.sun1980 I know but I'm saying that in the first ending of the remake it rains but the party has no reaction to it besides aerith. But this new dlc ending the party now has a reaction to the rain as if it's the first time raining
@ProxyDoug3 жыл бұрын
Zack is in Death Stranding or something, this is all Kojima's fault
@theblindbuildergrandminuti56483 жыл бұрын
I want a Kunsel, Cissnei, Zangan, Jessie, Dyne, and (add someone) Team for Zack’s story. It could be interesting.
@theotherjared98243 жыл бұрын
I'd say the timelines have already converged, but no one is aware of it yet. The next entries are going to swap back and forth between cloud and Zack as they indirectly affect each other by doing their own thing.
@thatsruffdog2 жыл бұрын
I really wish I hadn’t seen this scene in a KZfaq thumbnail last year. I didn’t get a PS5 until Spring so the surprise of seeing the gang walking down the road after the credits wasn’t a surprise but more like a relief of finally being able to see this scene.
@Sly_Dragneel2 жыл бұрын
I never realiced, but Cloud's eyes have a greener tint than the average Soldier and, even if it is subtle, I really love a touch like that, it tells a story without actually telling it you know?
@BienvenidoEspinal Жыл бұрын
Cloud wasn't mutated before getting the Jenova cells according to Crisis
@randomphil86663 жыл бұрын
“Half a decade in the future”. - Somebody’s a bit too optimistic. lol
@goncaloferreira64293 жыл бұрын
other thoughts: 1- the finalle will be much more complex this time around: at least the party vs sephiroth vs deepground. 2- they are building the characters so much that this "remake" will take a long time to actually be done. start saving for your playstation 6. 3- for better and for worst the story will not be the same. and the characters will be very, very different. 4- how can yuffi do the same things she did in the og after this? 5- Rufus may have a much bigger presence in the remake. will he be heading to AC Rufus or a completely diferent place? 6- Scarlet was amazingly grown in this. Will the other Shinra bad guys receive the same treatment?
@olav9473 жыл бұрын
Pretty much my thoughts, 2 and 3 especially. And after this dlc ending I'm not expecting much of free roaming exploration.
@scrat98703 жыл бұрын
It was only a crumb, but feel like they already set up Heidegger for a more involved arc when he accidentally addresses Rufus as VP in the ending and Rufus doesn't respond
@rohanchauhan82033 жыл бұрын
4- yuffie needs Materia for Wutai..... Clouds group has a bunch of materia ..... Sound familiar?
@jenniferchough3 жыл бұрын
3 - except the devs came out and said this year that FFVIIR's story will keep the same main storybeats and moments from the OG. There may be more detail or extra scenarios/situations added to keep things fresh for those of us who know the OG story, but by and large, the major things that happen will still happen, they said.
@goncaloferreira64293 жыл бұрын
@@jenniferchough "they said" and you believe them? if you consider the storyof the remake so far we already have quite a few things that went a little off of what was said. i will wait and judge the final product, whenever it is done.
@burgerman92467 ай бұрын
I like how when Yuffie says "The Amazing Yuffie wants you!" she is pointing at a cloud.
@Babylauncher30006 ай бұрын
Zack and Cloud are both wielding the same Bustersword. It has to be two timelines.
@koyukiaihara74913 жыл бұрын
I just want Zack to recruit Cissnei, the cooler Yuffie
@GahloWake3 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling that is Zack does get Laguna scenarios that Cissnei will be the Yuffie stand in.
@e1v1a193 жыл бұрын
Besides Red13, the cast was in dire need of a hot redhead in the party.
@sora_escandar2223 жыл бұрын
So Cissnei is also a Wutaian ? Shes a ninja ? She does have the huge shuriken like Yuffie.
@sanskarmishra53093 жыл бұрын
@@sora_escandar222 no she's cool. That's it
@brookswilliams52393 жыл бұрын
@@sanskarmishra5309 she does use a huge Shuriken tho
@MattProfitt3 жыл бұрын
This ending cutscene made me really love Cloud as a protagonist
@Extradecentskeleton3 жыл бұрын
Cloud is great when he isn't pretending to be an edge Lord and is just a normal guy
@thehungerjames77873 жыл бұрын
@@Extradecentskeleton Yeah, Cloud should just leave the edge lord stuff to the edge lord kings - Weiss and Nero.
@glottis85 ай бұрын
Hearing Max set the intro to the flashback start of the game is pretty awesome.
@JohnSmith-tt1nh3 жыл бұрын
"Guess what the very end of this story is going to lead to?" Dirge of Cerberus 2?
@edalmirneto42463 жыл бұрын
yes! Omega Genesis must come!
@mutesafezone3 жыл бұрын
No plz no 😁
@i.theworstguys2983 жыл бұрын
Dirge 2: Electric Boogaloo
@edalmirneto42463 жыл бұрын
@@i.theworstguys298 Dirge: 2 Genesis put Chaos power, protomateria, Zirconiade materia in Lucrecia's corpse... he thinks this is a good idea... but he create Neo Jenova with LASER!
@marksullivan003 жыл бұрын
Nomura will be the final boss in the story lol.
@xavistrife70673 жыл бұрын
Goddamit! We need another full Max theory recapping all of what he said about FFVII Remake and connecting with Integrade!!!!!
@RyonMugen3 жыл бұрын
wait till we have to fight that GIANT SNAKE just after the chocobo farm!
@himankdayal70133 жыл бұрын
Fight?SPAMS THE RUN BUTTON(if we will have one)
@holitinne3 жыл бұрын
You know, I had mixed feelings about this dimentional thing, but when I saw Intermission’s ending, when the party just hung out with each other, I remembered why I love FFVII, the characters, seeing them talk about nothing, being frustrated over little things, but constantly looking out for each other... you can have the most idiotic story, but as long as the cast remains faithful (or more so) to their NA release, I’m good. Looking forward to FFVIIR pt2.
@GamingFanatic-qp1rzАй бұрын
Oh my gosh, watching this now and reading the comments now after rebirth has been released for a while, it's so amazing. Love this channel. Dont ever retire max dood.😊
@AkumaZabuza3 жыл бұрын
Everything is a cluster fuck lol. Why there are 2 buster swords now!?
@shadowt0nberry2633 жыл бұрын
Two timelines, two Buster Swords.
@gmaster26473 жыл бұрын
It's very possible Zack being alive is a different, parallel timeline.
@thelrc88803 жыл бұрын
Maybe Aeriths death is what will send Zack on his journey to the crater in his timeline
@someoneelse96803 жыл бұрын
Yeah I mean ultimately both Cloud and Zack got fucked over by Sephiroth so their motivations would be the same
@marksullivan003 жыл бұрын
Correct.
@hitorikimorgan84573 жыл бұрын
Makes sense in the concept "a life for a life", aerith being dead in Zach's stead
@TK_13404 ай бұрын
13:30 Wow. You were absolutely correct in your prediction. 😮
@DubExp3 жыл бұрын
When Zack walks into the church and he his surrounded in white kind of reminds me of FF AV ending when him and Aerith's spirits watching over Cloud in the church at the end.
@benn93z283 жыл бұрын
That was intentional .. it was the exact inverse of what you see during the AC (people cheering while Zack leaves the church) vs Zack running in and see people in distress as seen here.
@itsdantaylor3 жыл бұрын
some people think that's to signal that zack is actually dead and this is the afterlife, but I think it's just the lighting effect when you go from a really bright place to a really shady place and the light just blows out your retinas at the entraces.
@batmanarkhamvengeancetm63583 жыл бұрын
@@itsdantaylor yeah, I agree. Zack can't be dead, because as the material ultimania confirms, Zack has lived.
@vivatsae-tae75063 жыл бұрын
@@benn93z28 that's because cloud hasnt shown up. Aerith tells everyone to gather there and wait for Cloud
@gmaster26473 жыл бұрын
I can definitely see the Cloud + Zack team-up thing at the very end of the story happening, but what I also think is going to happen as well...is a gut-punch ending that the Compilation, outside source material, and this Remake have been building up to for years: Cloud eventually realizes that his existence is the thread that keeps Sephiroth around. So he goes on a suicide mission to trap and defeat Sephiroth once and for all, at the cost of his own life.
@aaronlout13173 жыл бұрын
Explains why sephiroth showed up in smash ultimate too, joking. This theory really does blow my mind though.
@066kshitizvsingh43 жыл бұрын
This is what I've been thinking as well. It'll be a fairly decent gut punch and will be a nice twist if they choose to keep Aerith alive now
@jesseritchie92823 жыл бұрын
Literally had this thought myself. Like I see Cloud going to do the ultimate hero sacrifice to actually stop Sephiroth once and for all. What a twist that would be
@superman_ck_sv3 жыл бұрын
Cloud: Stay in my memories where you belong. Sephiroth: I will never be a memory. FF7R Sephiroth: I need you to live. Sephiroth horcrux is Cloud.
@neruneri3 жыл бұрын
I think this is precisely why they're reintroducing Zack, to get out of having to do that. I am dead certain that Zack will be the actual key to getting out of this mess, and he will probably sacrifice himself to do so. Ultimately, I simply don't think they have the balls to actually kill Cloud off. What they can do however is get out of that by using Zack, and then do something to completely wipe Cloud's memory. Cloud doesn't need to die for the conclusion everything has been building up to for the past twenty years to occur, he just needs to forget about Sephiroth. What I'm thinking along the lines of as an actual outcome would be if Sephiroth tries to use Zack as an anchor in the material world to manifest himself, but it backfires and he gets locked inside of Zack instead, who is probably then locked inside of the Lifestream or something. Or worse, what if Zack sacrifices himself to lock Sephiroth up inside of his own body and them locks his body up outside of space and time. That is some convoluted shit, but it is exactly the type of convoluted shit they could go for.
@KalaamNozalys3 жыл бұрын
Personal deep analysis at the end: -Zack's Buster sword is way rustier than cloud's, that's a curious detail. -The flower look more trampled than withered, they may believe her dead but I rather think she was taken by the Shinra since Cloud wasn't here to save her this time, and just thrown in rumor she died during Reactor 1 attack (since we know the shinra planted explosives themselves to enhance the destruction).
@brockvt39383 жыл бұрын
My big brain theory is that Zack is coming to Midgar after the events of the original game (or at least, as you said, after the events of Aerith’s death).
@genises2003 жыл бұрын
Man, wouldn't it be cool to get Zack and Future cloud to talk once more. For Zack to let Cloud know to live on a happy life and not be down on his death
@winterwolf21643 жыл бұрын
I honestly LOVE how this story is playing out thus far. Cannot wait to play part two. Also cannot wait to see how they render the Weapon bosses, Hades, and Knights of the Round.
@BaezHD25 ай бұрын
He predicted the beginning exactly holy shit lol 13:25
@EmotionalCacti3 жыл бұрын
Also another reason they are separate time lines is that Zack and Cloud both have the buster sword. If it was the same time line only one of them would have it.
@kieranfennelly57463 жыл бұрын
My personal thinking is that in Zack's timeline, all the people who have died in the original timeline are now alive e.g Biggs and Jessie and obviously Zack. The people in the Church, some of them look injured, I think are the victims of the plate collapsing in Sector 7, they are dead in the original timeline but are now alive in Zack's timeline. Eventually Aerith will die like the original game and she will continue to be alive in Zack's timeline. I think Max is right that the timelines with converge and everyone will kick Sephy's ass but when that happens the arbiters of fate that Sephiroth absorbed at the end of the part 1 will emerge and put the timelines right again in a very FFX style. Killing Sephiroth means Aerith and Zack will die all over again and we will be left with the original timeline as it happened in the og game except they will find a way to kill Sephiroth for good, basically making the events of Advent Children not happening anymore.
@SnakeWorksStudio3 жыл бұрын
so those are all the people in the lifestream (heaven)?
@kieranfennelly57463 жыл бұрын
@@SnakeWorksStudio What I'm thinking is that because Sephiroth has absorbed Fate now that Cloud and the party have defeated the Arbiters of Fate, the people whose fate it was to die can't pass on to the lifestream, so instead they are stuck in limbo. I think the Stamp bag that changed at the end of part 1 was a previous model for Stamp that was cancelled and replaced with the current model. So the previous model is dead in the main timeline but alive in the alternate timeline with Zack.
@richardsmith18983 жыл бұрын
@@kieranfennelly5746 Lol, what about all the soldiers that weren't supposed to die on that field in the final stand? Where do they go when they are wiped out when they shouldn't have been?
@kieranfennelly57463 жыл бұрын
@@richardsmith1898 In the timeline where they get wiped out, they are dead and in the FF7 universe, that means they go back to the lifestream as part of the planet. In the timeline where they don't get wiped out, they are alive.
@BltzZ3 жыл бұрын
All those people in the church are from the sector 8 beginning game cutscene
@RaifSeverence3 жыл бұрын
Why would the people from the sector 8 bombing seek refuge in a run down church in the slums on the opposite side of the city? It's MORE likely their refugees from the sector 7 collapse.
@Kingdom-zu6tm3 жыл бұрын
@@RaifSeverence Could be like Max said. They are there mourning Aeriths death. After all she was everywhere handing out flowers, she's probably well known in Zacks timeline
@tomasgarcia74993 жыл бұрын
@@RaifSeverence the plate hadn’t collapse yet tho? I doubt it took Zack two days to get back to Midgar.
@ricardomendoza-oy8mp3 жыл бұрын
Max’s pitch for the title screen. O god I got chills. Imagine the prelude with touches of those chosen by the planet? While sephiroth cloud and ramirez are in the truck
@LtheOriginal3 жыл бұрын
Knowing Nomura, he's going to make us fight Zack in an unavoidable boss battle. And EVERYONE is going to hate doing that.
@forrestredd27063 жыл бұрын
It has to be two different timelines, otherwise Zack wouldn't still have his Buster Sword.
@Lalexi3 жыл бұрын
This is what I was coming to comment
@ra00285343 жыл бұрын
Or Zack just dies later.
@GahloWake3 жыл бұрын
If we're going by a common time travel trope, by the party being in the singularity they are temporarily removed from the timeline. In a hypothetical 1 timeline theory shit changes in the past, but the ripples don't affect the party because they aren't part of the timeline, and then they get reinserted afterwards. So, it can be explained - though I do lean more towards the multiple timeline idea.
@e1v1a193 жыл бұрын
Probably. But time convergence bullshit will allow it. As per Rick and Morty, time and space become certain and everything becomes possible and not possible. That means 2 clouds, zack is alive and they’re all on the same planet.
@itsdantaylor3 жыл бұрын
......unless he was time displaced. Considering the time difference between the plate falling and zack arriving at midgar several months before the initial bombing run mission, it's entirely possible that zack was just pulled from his point in the og timeline and zapped to the world of ff7r post aribiter fight. i mean when you think about it, sephiroth is clearly from the future, and the stuff in the OG timeline had to have HAPPENED for sephiroth to know how to mess with the past. So zack being pulled from the og timeline due to the elimination of the arbiter's isn't THAT outlandish
@dudemcguy12273 жыл бұрын
Back to the Future is cool and all, I just didn't really want FFVII to end up with timeline or alternate dimensions shenanigans. Creating a timeline convergence in order to have Cloud and Zack team up to fight Sephiroth just seems like a fan service approach to FFVII. I didn't want the original story changed like this. I just wanted it be preserved and repackaged in a way so that people who can't look past the original graphics could experience the original story. But it is what it is at this point. They clearly have a different vision for the remake than I did. I hope those who are excited for this approach are happy with the future remake games/stories.
@Msoulwing3 жыл бұрын
On the bright side, the Steam version of FFVII has some *really* good graphics mods if you want to play the original with a new look.
@senojnomis3 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree more, it makes me feel kinda queasy to see this timey-wimey hacky writing ruin square’s best story ever... it just baffles me how they’ve decided to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by corrupting such an incredible story instead of immortalising themselves by creating the perfect version of one of the greatest games of all time... baffles the fuck out of me...
@snatchr24513 жыл бұрын
Its depressing I cant recommend the ""remake"" to my friends as some kind of badass definitive version of FF7. Because its a sequel more focused on winks and nods and subverting expectations than telling a story. If Nojima or Nomura or whoever is to blame for this wanted to write some wacky fanfic AU FF7 story why the fuck would they pollute this once in a lifetime remake opportunity? Who the hell was out there for 20 years waiting for a remake hoping they'd do THIS with it? Keep that shit in dirge of cerberus tier spin offs where it belongs. It just feels incredibly tone deaf and selfish to taint what should be a celebration of that game into something completely new and different. Most of the remake was fine, expanding wall market or visiting Jessies parents house? Great, fits in perfectly. The whispers are junk and the threat of the sequels going even further off the rails put a bad taste in my mouth. The last thing I wanted to feel finishing part 1 was worry, but here we are.
@Athlynne3 жыл бұрын
Cloud: "Do we become assholes or something?" Zack: "No, it's your kids! No one is gonna like Denzel!"
@ronaldmaday2 жыл бұрын
Sephiroth is controlled by Jenova, Jenova’s controlled by Denzel.
@omarcuevas4393 жыл бұрын
My theory is that whenever it starts raining the timeline changes
@samfisher88503 жыл бұрын
God I hope zack gets his own episode
@BESM19843 жыл бұрын
to merge the timelines he MUST have an episode explaining not only his combat style but what he's timeline truly looks like
@e1v1a193 жыл бұрын
Red13 needs his own ep. I wanna know what he was doing before he was captured by Shinra.
@Dasaltwarrior3 жыл бұрын
I think the odds of that are nigh 100% in favor of it happening
@xMarrilliamsx3 жыл бұрын
Man, that would be so fucking dope. A ff7R episode of Zack.. Man, it makes the teen in me scream with hope! XD
@justingabriel17653 жыл бұрын
I hope there’s literally a whole extra game with just Zack, like make this remake story be 4 games long, and set up for the second game to end on a cliffhanger, abs then the next game be ZACK doing the bombing run!!! The only difference is that there will be different things happening!
@derago-dev3 жыл бұрын
Maybe that scene when Zack gets into the church means that Aerith is not even alive, like, he being alive somehow made something in the world of his timeline make Aerith die or something like that...
@2052brad3 жыл бұрын
@Chase Wells or Sephiroth killed her again. Cuz that’s what he does😎 Them JENOVA cells just love killing the ancients. Shinra wouldn’t kill Aerith, and if for whatever reason they accidentally did, people in the slums wouldnt know that she was dead. Shinra would’ve covered it all up.
@fruitsalad24583 жыл бұрын
Bcz There's no plot ghost to keep her safe in Zack's timeline
@shagswag74353 жыл бұрын
I was thinking that maybe since Zack is alive in this other timeline that Cloud was the one who died
@fruitsalad24583 жыл бұрын
@@shagswag7435 it could be, but we saw in the ending that both of them survive and Cloud is just unconscious, maybe Cloud became i dunno a barista or something in Zack's timeline?
@selvenist_yt3 жыл бұрын
MAX OMG U WITH THAT OG FLOWERS BLOOMING IN THE CHURCH BGM MADE ME CRY 😭😭
@kaz101 Жыл бұрын
Cloud and Zack's timelines converging and them teaming up to fight Sephiroth together.. I don't have the words for how awesome that would be.
@SuperGodzilla23 жыл бұрын
i love it when Max geeks out on this shit. freaking awesome. cant wait for the next game
@Syberchance3 жыл бұрын
To have Sephiroth teach you the basics in part 2 would be badass!
@MisiDarkLilies3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you picked up on the Church scene. ( Though I kinda joked to myself that Zack threw Cloud into the "this guy are sick" can before going to the church and that's why he wasn't there.) Back at the ending of Destiny's Crossroads Sephiroth looked dead at Aerith and smirked as he changed the timeline. Her look at that moment was totally a " What the F did you just do?" look. Followed by a How DARE you. look. ( imo) lol. I'm guessing the split timeline is soon after the city of the ancients and maybe that Marlene told Elymra Aerith is gone because, you know, she can. The way Aerith told Elmyra about her husband. Barret always is so intent on learning anything he can about the ancients any time they come up in conversation and usually always has a little info himself - not because hes on a religious type tangent, but if you watch his body language at Aerith's house listening to her story he looks more like a single parent trying to find out what he needs to learn for her sake. Aerith doing her tarot card readings through raindrops at the end too, she knows, but she doesn't know exactly what. Got me all F'd up for the next chapter. I also believe she is dead in both timelines. When Marlene mentions Aerith, she says " That girl, shes kinda.." Not strange, or weird. I think she stopped herself from saying Hey, yeah shes kinda dead.
@brofst5 ай бұрын
13:26 nostradamus over here!
@axelstone31313 жыл бұрын
I didn’t take it as they were passing each other at the same time in different timelines. To me it was just them walking past each other at different points in time but it’s the same place. They aren’t passing each other during the “same” time but in different timelines. It was just showing that Zack, and Cloud passed this same exact points months prior. But what the fuck do I know. Nobody knows what’s going on lol
@darcrequiem3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Zack carrying Cloud happens at the same time that Cloud would have been staggering towards Midgar after Zack died in the original timeline. The event don't occur at the same time.
@axelstone31313 жыл бұрын
@@darcrequiem yep I agree with you. It’s crazy how people can come up with wild theories to what is possibly the most obvious thing. But who knows.
@darcrequiem3 жыл бұрын
@@axelstone3131 Sometimes people look so hard for a hidden meaning that they forget to notice what's obvious.
@theblindbuildergrandminuti56483 жыл бұрын
The only thing happening at the same time from that scene was the arbiters, cause they are constant. Everything else is on a different time.
@axelstone31313 жыл бұрын
@@darcrequiem yeh I totally agree with you
@eddynamite91473 жыл бұрын
I'm sensing they'll kill some characters in one timeline while killing others, in the other timeline and then, wrap it up with a super mellow good ending, where the timelines merge and everyone is alive. That'll be super corny and not impossible to happen. lol
@MrInuhanyou1233 жыл бұрын
Yea remake is gonna probably be like a good ending where everyone is happy. I would be fine with it since og timeline already exists where that isnt the case
@neonikngc3 жыл бұрын
That’s similar to some events in DQ11. Should play it
@GuyWithAnAmazingHat3 жыл бұрын
Yes, this is actually what I think is going to happen as well, everyone who dies is in Zack's timeline alive. This would actually make even more sense if Zack's timeline is the lifestream itself, all the souls of the dead are there.
@MrInuhanyou1233 жыл бұрын
@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat zacks timeline is zacke timeline. Its not the life stream which is a thing in a place presumably in every timeline.
@GuyWithAnAmazingHat3 жыл бұрын
@@MrInuhanyou123 We've already seen back in the OG when Cloud fell into the lifestream, that the lifestream manifests itself as a whole reality that can be shared between multiple people, Tifa and Cloud.
@gasparguruoftime54752 жыл бұрын
No way this video is about to be a year old. Maybe the wait for Part 2/Rebirth won't feel that long after all.
@frankkendrick77513 жыл бұрын
Max's insight or positing (whatever you want to call it) is what keeps me coming back to this channel, especially when it comes to FF7 Remake.