Mayor of Greater Manchester: Why we need an integrated, affordable and accessible transport network

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On the first day following his re-election Mayor of Greater Manchester Andy Burnham took a bus and tram from Middleton to MediaCity to show where Greater Manchester’s public transport system is falling short and why we need to deliver a fully-integrated, affordable and accessible network

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@danieloliver4558 3 жыл бұрын

Just as an example it takes only 9 mins more to get from Reading to London Paddington then it does to get from Bolton to Manchester Piccadilly by train. Bolton is 12 miles from Manchester, Reading is 39 miles from London.

@paulwild3676 2 жыл бұрын

Isn’t that a train coming from Bristol though? It takes less time to get from Stoke to Manchester on a fast train, than it does from Rochdale on the Metrolink. If you are on a high speed line you will get there quicker. Leeds to Manchester is the shame of Westminster. The journey time for 35 miles is an embarrassment and shows the neglect of the North by all governments. Andy needs to remember his party were in power for 13 years, why were none of these measures put in place then? Didn’t Blair sanction Crossrail and Brown cancel the Big Bang on the Metrolink? At least Boris has highlighted the needs. I wouldn’t trust Labour at national level to do anything for anywhere outside London. No wonder they are so popular in the capital, it is the only place they give a fig about.

@danieloliver4558 2 жыл бұрын

@@paulwild3676 yes it is

@TalesOfWar 2 жыл бұрын

It takes less time to get from Manchester to London than it does to get to from Manchester to Newcastle. It's almost an hour longer for a journey that's two thirds of the distance. Transport outside of London and the immediately surrounding areas in this country is a joke. This government doesn't seem to care either, they just want to build more and more roads.

@TalesOfWar 2 жыл бұрын

@@paulwild3676 One think you can say about the Tories is at least they're equal opportunists when it comes to who they hate or otherwise don't give a crap about. It's everyone. They don't even give a shit about spending money in London. HS2 wouldn't be happening at all if it were up to them, it was pushed through under the last Labour government. It's an absolute disgrace that they've cut what they have, and it won't even save any money. It'll end up costing more for a worse service that will take longer to build, they can just claim it's saving money by showing the same budget spread out over a longer time frame. The money was already there and spoken for. They just wasted billions of local councils money too in places that were going to get this thing but not aren't. So many plans were essentially torn up because of this.

@devon896 Жыл бұрын

Reading to London Paddington is on the Great Western Mainline though non stop services run continuously for 20 minutes at 125mph it's not really a like for like comparison.

@ominous7271 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant stuff. You're a great mayor Andy!

@bikespip 2 жыл бұрын

A great mayor ? really, I wonder if your option has changed since people of Greater Manchester have realised the damage he is trying to inflicted on the good people of Greater Manchester, he's all smoke and mirrors this man, he is not a great mayor, his ego is bigger than Greater Manchester.

@Pequin1000 2 жыл бұрын

He is a brown nose.

@mytimetravellingdog 3 жыл бұрын

Off board only bus ticketing!! Think of the reduction in dwell times!

@user-ns8wb1zm2t 7 ай бұрын

4:33 ONE ANDY BURNHAM

@chilldude30 3 жыл бұрын

Imo public transport is the number 1 issue for mancunians right now. Glad Andy recognises this. I have hope for the future of Manchester's public transport

@bikespip 2 жыл бұрын

Really, I wonder if your option has changed since people of Greater Manchester have realised the damage he is trying to inflicted on the good people of Greater Manchester, he's all smoke and mirrors this man, he is not a great mayor, his ego is bigger than Greater Manchester. He is making fools out of the good people of Greater Manchester..

@richardworth350 3 жыл бұрын

Can't this guy just be Prime Minister

@NethDugan 3 жыл бұрын

In order to do that he'd need to be the leader of Labour and to do that he'd need to be an MP so at the moment sadly no. Much as I'd love him to be leader.

@richardworth350 3 жыл бұрын

@@NethDugan yeah but you know what i mean - he seems like he can actually persuade people to support logical policies

@HaiderShami12 3 жыл бұрын

he's kind of he lost both leadership election within his own party

@cteasdale1979 3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@cteasdale1979 3 жыл бұрын

Harold wilson last Labour pm Northern. Pm

@daveys 3 жыл бұрын

I flew back into Manchester Airport last year late at night and the tram terminated in the middle of a housing estate. Thanks Metrolink.

@MrBlueBus22 Ай бұрын

normal

@markjarvis7637 3 жыл бұрын

Keep this up, information is all. Andy, you have come a long way, and you have a continent to cross, the old saying, the world stops North of Watford.

@cteasdale1979 3 жыл бұрын

Northern should let rot

@CityLifeinAmerica 7 ай бұрын

Really ridiculous. I live here in Arizona in the US and I’d be pissed off if the tram and buses used a whole different fare.

@nigelmorris5212 2 жыл бұрын

Andy said that we wouldn't have any homeless people left in Manchester by 2020 well thats not happened we probably have more than we ever did . Words mean nothing. I would like to get behind him and support him . But have no faith what so ever in him or anybody else in power at the moment.

@NethDugan 3 жыл бұрын

I am so glad he won and some great stuff in this vid. And best of luck from down south. But Andy, get yourself a better mask or one of those ties that go behind your head because that mask does not fit you.

@bikespip 2 жыл бұрын

@stellwyn 3 жыл бұрын

Good stuff Andy, nice to see you using public transport. Thanks for making it accessible with subtitles too. But get yourself a better fitting mask 😂

@craiglogistics2092 2 жыл бұрын

Electric trains to New Mills Central and Rose Hill Marple and reopen the railway between Woodley and Godley with a new station for Hyde South

@Lakesider52 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with most of what is said but couldn't most of these highlighted problems be helped by the creation of an equivalent body to TFL covering the greater Manchester area, although that would of course be contingent upon it being managed better than the useless Khan manages TFL.

@TalesOfWar 2 жыл бұрын

It isn't that simple. London is special, the Greater London Authority can raise capital and isn't beholden to the Treasury like the rest of the country are. Greater Manchester just literally doesn't have the legal power to do that TfL do. Nowhere else in England does really. We need more devolved powers around the country, especially in big urban areas like Manchester and Birmingham etc. It'll make integrating networks (not just transport, but everything) easier if there's a regional level of control over the bigger picture. Khan hasn't done that badly by the way, the pandemic is what screwed over TfL and central government refusing to help them out and by reducing their budget. TfL is the only publicly run integrated transport system in Europe (possibly the world) where part of its mandate is to turn a profit rather than it being a system in place to allow the place to actually work. Just look how upset people get when the Tube drivers go on strike. The entire city shuts down more or less, THAT is how important good public transport is to a good, strong economy.

@Lakesider52 2 жыл бұрын

@@TalesOfWar I understand your points but I would take issue with your assessment of Khan's performance. It was him that was so quick to reduce tube services early in the pandemic which caused chronic overcrowding and a breeding ground for Covid. His record shows more strike days than his recent predecessors put together, his financial management is dire ( excessive salaries and bonuses at TFL) and finally, everything he touches becomes a personal grandstanding mission.

@Theincrediblespud 2 жыл бұрын

He seems like a good bloke

@genevievemorgan7821 3 жыл бұрын

I moved from London to Manchester in the mid 90s and couldn't get over how expensive bus travel was. This was before the introduction of Oyster in London but I'd been used to travel passes co that covered all kinds of transport and only paying £1 for a bus journey regardless of distance travelled. In Manchester you'd have to wait for ages for a bus from Withington to Chorlton, whilst there'd be a plethora of buses on the main drag( Wilmslow Road/Oxford Road) into the city centre because of the bus companies were chasing the student market.

@TalesOfWar 2 жыл бұрын

I vaugely recall GM Busses as a child, before it was all privatised under Major. You could get pretty much anywhere in the region for next to nothing and there were a good number of express routes, like Bury to Stockport that ran every 20-30 mins or so and made only a few stops along the way. It was brilliant! Now to get there on the bus you'd have to make like 6 changes and it'll take house. At least the Metro goes there now.

@wild4fp 2 жыл бұрын

Buses in Leeds, now that's expensive.

@leehathaway4851 Жыл бұрын

22 months on still no sign of a tram link and Warwick Mill still in a state of disrepair.. The fella is a bag of wind 💨

@rufdymond 3 жыл бұрын

Everyone calling for him to be the next labour leader - as a Manc and from a purely selfish point of view, I don’t want him going anywhere. For once we have a politician who is very popular with the city he represents - even many conservatives voted for him, which is saying something.

@bikespip 2 жыл бұрын

@TalesOfWar 2 жыл бұрын

@@bikespip Any specific examples? Please go into as much detail as you can. From my perspective at least in terms of public transport that he has actual control of, he's improved things a LOT. The Metrolink system is far better and wider than it was before him and the last traunch was ahead of schedule and below budget. He actually gives a shit about making something better. He's finally gotten the powers to bring the bus network back under public control too and so we'll soon start to see more integration across the system. There's only so much he can do on his own, he needs support from others and some of the things he'd like to do he literally isn't legally able to because they're controlled by Westminster, and we all know the Torie's HATE giving up any kind of power.

@govindnarasimman6819 Жыл бұрын

an all-day public transport including metro and buses combined should only cost

@michaelriordan8265 Жыл бұрын

Can't understand why Middleton doesn't have a Metrolink, also when will it get to all the other 10 boroughs of Greater Manchester, no direct route from Bury to Oldham and Rochdale, nothing to Stockport, pull your fingers out Burnham

@stripemcr5722 Жыл бұрын

had a pleasure to live in Manchester while Mr.Burnham was the mayor - even met him once at Market Street when I was going home from work

@cteasdale1979 9 ай бұрын

He good. Pm

@paulwild3676 2 жыл бұрын

It is clear why it is really expensive in every other city outside London. The companies running London’s services are the same as elsewhere in England as in First, Aviva and Stagecoach but down there the prices are capped, so they get their profits by overcharging everybody else. I paid £5 for a 15 minute journey in the Lake District recently.

@devon896 Жыл бұрын

First Bristol £5 to travel across all of Bristol, West of England £8 each or £15 for a group. In Devon you an buy a Devon ranger for £14.50 which allows travel on all trains and buses in Devon.

@Mgameing123 11 ай бұрын

No its because the system is different in London. TFL collects all ticket revenue and pay the operators of the route a fee for running the service.

@imranzazai7404 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice I am your new subscriber from Afghanistan.

@mytimetravellingdog 3 жыл бұрын

This is great.

@devon896 Жыл бұрын

2:00 "Why should public transport cost more in less affluent parts of the country". Well it's called supply and demand Andy, buses in London serve 8 million people plus tourists, Manchester's population is only half a million. If the bus companies can't passenger numbers they'll put prices up to cover costs.

@rufdymond Жыл бұрын

That’s not the point - public transport systems like the one in London receive large subsidies £1.2 Billion I think was the figure I saw. What this funding allows is for routes that are less populated (even London has them) to still receive a good service. If you contrast that with Manchester, the Metrolink (apart from some assistance during the pandemic) receives absolutely no government funding. Also the transport system in Manchester is a Greater Manchester transport network and serves 2.8 million people - not 500,000.

@AtoZbyLocalBus Жыл бұрын

In Dublin since last year we have a new TFI 90 minute fare, which covers your trip on bus, tram and train (wihtin rail fare zones 1 - 4), change as many times as you like within 90 minutes from when you first touch on with a Leap Card. This year the fare has been reduced to €2. You can get the TFI 90 minute fare from rail zones 5 or 6, but it costs a bit more. If you had a fare like that in Greater Manchester, it would save people a lot of money.

@desiro3503 3 жыл бұрын

1:19 can someone just buy him a mask that’s stays on his face!

@bikespip 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe a full hood would be more suitable with what he is trying to do with the good people of Greater Manchester... all smoke and mirrors .

@Lakesider52 2 жыл бұрын

A couple more thoughts. I'm not sure that comparisons with London are valid as journeys in London tend to be shorter so warrant lower fares and nor was the extortionate cost of travelling just one stop on the tube included in the comparison.

@seankilburn7200 2 жыл бұрын

You would expect higher costs though in London and wages are generally higher in order to meet those expenses

@paulwild3676 2 жыл бұрын

You are right about the Tube. You can go on the Metrolink all day for £4 odd, however you can go anywhere on the Tube, into the Home Counties and there is nowhere which isn’t served. The other issue missed, is that GM is a newish concept. The great towns around Manchester never saw it as a Mother city, in the way the South East sees London, because people didn’t commute to it. Generally if you live in Ealing, or Hainault, you worked in London. The GM towns had their own economies. Oldham and Bolton people for example worked where they lived. With deindustrialisation, those towns have lost their well-paid jobs, so Manchester has been forced on them, as it is booming, in comparison.

@Lakesider52 2 жыл бұрын

@@paulwild3676 That's interesting about the jobs. I and my three brothers were born and raised in North London and as with most in the London area, an hour commute to work was nothing unusual. Two of my brothers married women from Newark where they lived for a number of years although one now lives in Mansfield and the other in Tattershall, Lincs, Every time I see them, they never fail to mention what they see as a poor work ethic of the locals expecting jobs within walking distance and not being willing to commute, especially for an hour. I guess there are big cultural changes going on.

@danieloliver4558 3 жыл бұрын

Why isn't this bloke leader of the labour party it's obvious he's the only person who can make thenm even semi respectable again

@bikespip 2 жыл бұрын

@danieloliver4558 2 жыл бұрын

@@bikespip yes you have a good point, I live in Horwich and we want to get away from Bolton and away from Greater Manchester

@toulousain4ever 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely right. Congratulations mayor. We need an integrated system as everywhere else in Europe. Today's system is inspired by American public transport systems which are amongst the worst in the world, the least efficient the least integrated, the least developed and the least used per capita. true also for orbital links to increase metrolink overall use and coverage 👏

@bikespip 2 жыл бұрын

@ZanzibarBreeze 3 жыл бұрын

THE KING IN THE NORTH!

@cteasdale1979 3 жыл бұрын

Lol

@cteasdale1979 3 жыл бұрын

Never be pm

@bikespip 2 жыл бұрын

@enthusiastisch1922 2 жыл бұрын

This guy literally wants a system like London, yet London's system is very expensive, you actually want Liverpool's example of Transportation, it's very cheap. Better yet, follow Dublin's example.

@paulwild3676 2 жыл бұрын

Liverpool’s underground is old though and I have never understood why a wealthy Victorian city like Manchester, didn’t build an Underground like Liverpool and Glasgow did? The sore point with all the great Northern cities and Birmingham, is that the immense wealth they created was spent on London, where the Treasury is. It is shocking that there is no train link between Bolton and Bury with a combined population of over 400.000. Bury and Rochdale have no train link with a similar population and there is no tram in Stockport, Bolton, or Wigan. Those three GM boroughs have a combined population of about 800.000 people.That is hard to comprehend.

@TalesOfWar 2 жыл бұрын

@@paulwild3676 Central government never wanted to fund such a thing and local governments lack the funds (and legal powers to raise them) to do it themselves, and even if they did get the money they still need approval from Parliament to do it. We used to have links all over the place, then the Beeching Axe cuts of the 60's happened. Most of the UK got slashed while London was spared from it because of course it was. The lack a region wide transport authority is also partly to blame. Again, central government don't want places to have such things for reasons. It takes power away from them. London is an exception in that it has control of its transport network independent (mostly) of the government. We don't have that. The only other places in the UK who have such independence are Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. England's state of regional control is hilariously pathetic outside of the M25.

@paulwild3676 2 жыл бұрын

@@TalesOfWar Local wealth in cities like Liverpool and Manchester was immense. Like Tony Wilson once said, “They took all our money for vanity projects in the South. “ The cotton industry alone once contributed one third to our economic output and was based in the North West. That is almost twice what London contributes now, so in today’s money you are talking about 1 trillion pounds, that is bigger than the economy of the Netherlands.

@damianmoran1512 11 ай бұрын

Worst transport system on the planet overpriced always late if it shows up at all and just a mess to try and get any where.

@danielbarlow4071 3 жыл бұрын

Has Andy forgot there are tickets which can be used on all operators and on various modes of transport. It's called System One which us managed by TfGM and sold by ALL operators and Metrolink. Prices set by TfGM. Who is the head of TfGM? Mayor of Greater Manchester, none other than Andy Burnham. Also let's see why prices are cheaper in London. They are heavily subsidised by Council Tax, do much do Council Taxes in Greater London are some if the most expensive in UK to cover the basic costs. Also subsidised by Congestion Charge in which prices have continued to rise and, under leadership of ex London Mayor Boris Johnson, the area covered was extended. Finally general UK taxation also subsidises the price. So we are helping to keep prices low in London. Then they gave a clean sir charge which charges older vehicles on emissions in the region that helps keep prices low. What does Greater Manchester have apart from Council Tax? Nothing do only Council Tax will subsidised the fares which means the Council Tax will have to heavily increase to cover the reductions, as well as continuing the "free" pass for young people, Our Pass, and funding the elderly pass.

@euan4102 3 жыл бұрын

Anubus is £6 a day Anybus with tram is £9 a day Not exactly affordable is it

@danielbarlow4071 3 жыл бұрын

@@euan4102 those prices are set by TfGM. Andy Burnham could easily get them reduced as he is head of TfGM by being GM Mayor. So why isn't he? So if franchising means cheaper fares how are those prices going to be reduced then, if they can't be reduced now?

@euan4102 3 жыл бұрын

@@danielbarlow4071 most likely due to all the bus networks not agreeing on a lower fee

@danielbarlow4071 3 жыл бұрын

@@euan4102 it doesn't need bus operators to agree a lower price on the System One tickets. System One is managed by TfGm alone and TfGM set the prices, nit the operators. Operators sell on behalf of TfGM - just like they will under franchising - and receive a percentage of sales - just like they will under franchising.

@moemenmetwally439 3 жыл бұрын

Daniel what you are saying is not true. London borough pay the least council tax in the entire country. Are you lying or misled? www.quittance.co.uk/conveyancing/advice/buying-a-property/council-tax-bands-table-of-all-uk-regions-202122

@adamqureshi2163 Жыл бұрын

Andy Burnham you need to learn how to wear masks 😷 properly so your glasses don't steam up

@BulletProofBrain 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah right on Andy, then you’re gonna smash tradesmen with the clean air zones! He’s a complete plonker, vote them out!!!

@bikespip 2 жыл бұрын

People say what A great mayor ? really, I wonder if their option has changed since people of Greater Manchester have realised the damage he is trying to inflicted on the good people of Greater Manchester, he's all smoke and mirrors this man, he is not a great mayor, his ego is bigger than Greater Manchester.

@fearone9694 2 жыл бұрын

What? is he going to make you pay your fair share of taxes?

@markmaguire1092 2 жыл бұрын

Traitor to small businesses, mancs voted against an inner m60 congestion charge so he makes it for the whole of greater Manchester! Labour used to be the working class party, when will the working classes benefit?

@TalesOfWar 2 жыл бұрын

The Clean Air thing is a central government thing that put in to law that all local authorities around the country have to do. So complain to your local MP to bring it up in Parliament.