Mazda MX-5 Miata (ND3) Controversy Explained | What They’re Getting Wrong

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The Mazda MX-5 ND3 Miata, like many other refreshed or updated cars before it, is subject to car enthusiast controversy. Is the the ND3 Miata any better than the ND2, or is this just a marketing exercise from Mazda to hype up small or minimal changes? Let’s remove the noise for a second and discuss objectively the pros and cons of the car and how it compares to the pre-refresh, the ND2.
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TIMESTAMPS:
00:00 Introduction
01:38 Owners Reacting Online
03:37 Practice Humility
04:56 Sensory Differences
06:59 Final Thoughts

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@cptndave1 25 күн бұрын

We should be so thankful to Mazda for keeping this a real roadster. Every thing is still real. Fuel, manual, analog gauges, hand brake. There’s no competition. I have mine 2024. It is what it is. Unbelievable fun. Thank you Mazda. Excellent review by the way 😊

@aaronbryan5095 25 күн бұрын

Too many people treat their own opinions as facts, I can only imagine how much of a better place this world would be if no one ever do this kind of nonsense. ND3 is an improved version of the 4th gen Miata, simple as that.

@jubbalandcars 25 күн бұрын

Well said

@kalmmonke5037 25 күн бұрын

@@jubbalandcars do you think your expenstionally bad at listening to lectures? according to hagtery crumudgeon podcast, new miata has less movement while its at center, and doesnt tend to move as quickly when moving left right. rear doesnt bounce as much like when you move quick to the right, the rear right spring all bounce back afte rbeign compressed, and if too intense, this can cause extreme left and right bouncing back and forth causing loss of traction , where you need to keep front wheel pointing straight with not power. but this bouncing problems isnt new with nd3, its bit better than before but still a problem if your driving fast.

@VictorPitstop 25 күн бұрын

@@kalmmonke5037your grammar degraded there or I’m not understanding but I’m having a hard time deciphering what your point is. Are you talking about the steering or suspension?

@walkemdown4127 25 күн бұрын

@@kalmmonke5037 Refer to the original comment you're commenting under lol

@robpet4424 5 күн бұрын

Opinions are like assholes..... everybody has one....

@dannyphamous 25 күн бұрын

Current ND2 owner. Haven't tried the ND3 yet but only happy to see Mazda continue development and improvements on the miata and keeping the car relevant today so more people can continue experiencing and enjoying them.

@TT92348 25 күн бұрын

If you want to keep your sanity, don’t revisit the forum threads. They’ve only gotten worse 😂

@jubbalandcars 25 күн бұрын

🫡

@Theanhdy 25 күн бұрын

Miata forum is the absolute worst!

@DeePunter 24 күн бұрын

Reading comments is like purposely staring into a hole where people took dump in just because ur curious what people put out.

@georgekappland2935 17 күн бұрын

I can only say I daily a MX-5. Had a 22 for 1 1/2 years and it was great but... I just took delivery on a 24 and it's exactly what you say. I noticed the difference pulling out of the lot and said (out loud, to myself) wow this is better! The steering combined with the new diff is an outstanding improvement by anyone's standards. For lack of a better term, it's more better. I understand people's loyalty but try and keep an open mind. I did, and was blown away.

@jubbalandcars 17 күн бұрын

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@horatiotimewaster5755 18 күн бұрын

I own an ND2 and am really excited by the ND3. The fact that Mazda is still building the Miata is a miracle.

@jubbalandcars 18 күн бұрын

That's the mindset!

@elodiecemoi3057 11 күн бұрын

I fully agree and we must all congratulate Mazda for this, and tell Mazda: "please continue to build the further MX-5 generations with the same spirit of fun, driving pleasure, reliability, etc...". In a word: "Mazda please continue to build the MX-5 in the same way !!!"

@shinoh6991 25 күн бұрын

You can’t fix stupid, and stupid will always try their hardest to stand out as one in every way possible. As for constructive criticism, I don’t think you need to change anything at the moment! I appreciate your down-to-earth approach in video production, which is the heart of KZfaq in my opinion. Keep on :)

@jubbalandcars 25 күн бұрын

I have things I’m working on, inspired by other better reviewers in the space :)

@riccardogambarini5219 23 күн бұрын

I actually love the fact the ND3 is better than the previous version. Being a 24 year-old guy looking to buy his first car, I really hope that the ND2 and ND1 will soon be less desirable, thus making them cheaper to buy used!!!

@ShortSubmission 22 күн бұрын

Fr I’m 20 and in college, I have enough for a 2021-22 but I’m waiting till at least winter/early spring to buy since prices pull down during non drivable weather

@riccardogambarini5219 21 күн бұрын

@@ShortSubmission That’s my plan too!

@blanchimont5587 25 күн бұрын

I think Jason Camisa in the latest carmudgeon show episode got the ND3 right. his take was basically that the ND1&ND2 were too twitchy and the rear of the car was too easily unsettled. he said that normally he would be against a manafacturer making a rack less direct on center but that the ND really needed it to be a more enjoyable car to drive. of course I am paraphrasing so probably got some stuff wrong, so i'd just watch the part of the episode about the ND3

@Accost2u 25 күн бұрын

I’m betting in the long run that the ND2 will be like the AP1 s2000 being more rowdy and edgy while the AP2 is calmer and more buttoned down.

@TheAphtar 25 күн бұрын

I wonder if there is some variance between ND3s? The throttle house guys have both owned and driven many miatas, and drove the ND2 back-to-back with the ND3 when they reviewed it and reported in that video that maybe maybe there is a tiny difference. I just find it interesting how there are people on both sides of this argument.

@jubbalandcars 25 күн бұрын

I wonder about tires and alignment with their example

@grahmdoughty 25 күн бұрын

the Throttle House guys didn't grow up doing arts and crafts with their hands, they did music and trained their sense of hearing instead

@MiataND3 25 күн бұрын

I've tried ND2 and now own ND3, I'm not an expert, but to me the ND3 steering speak more, better road texture and feel what the tyres are doing. However what I REALLY felt: the LSD on the ND3 it's much progresive and easier to drift than the ND2 wich I found quite sketchy

@notdaijoubu5062 14 күн бұрын

@@jubbalandcars I can't comment on the ND3 since I have yet to drive one, but on my stock ND2, adjusting the alignment (primarily toe and camber) made a pretty noticeable difference to responsiveness and grip. I can't really say it improved feedback though; I still just rely on the chassis to communicate things rather than from the wheel. While not any worse than other cars, stock ND alignment can vary quite a lot and still be within spec.

@masterofdisaster666 25 күн бұрын

“Shut your fuc*ing mouth” was real.. love that

@ClutchKillers 25 күн бұрын

It's kind of the same as when people tie their ego to their favorite sports team or celebrity and get pissed off when someone talks bad about them. Like is that really worth your emotional energy?

@BlackNAVYAmericanVET 24 күн бұрын

YOU ARE RIGHT ! everyone hates to see the newer versions of ANYTHING, CARS , IPHONE, BUT the Snake LED LIGHTS are missed ❤

@Steve-uf8pk 25 күн бұрын

ND2 a big improvement on the ND1, the ND3 small improvements but with a significantly larger price tag!

@8Kyofu8 23 күн бұрын

Honestly I think that's the real argument. Is the ND3 better? yeah, probably. Is it actually worth spending several thousand dollars to upgrade from an ND2 to ND3? Probably not. I won't be mad at anyone who does though, it just means more cheaper used ND2s on the market ;)

@Steve-uf8pk 22 күн бұрын

@@8Kyofu8 yeah I agree, as everything that matters in a roadster was on the ND2, in fact with the significant price rise on the top model ND3 here in the U.K, I believe that the value of used ND2’s will increase……..

@rightminddrive 25 күн бұрын

I''ve been producing music professionally for about 8 years and have been playing music for about 20 years. For as long as I could remember I could always tell the car and or motor that drove by from just it's exhaust sound. Cool to hear you talk about that and how we all have our focuses on what we like & enjoy about cars

@jubbalandcars 25 күн бұрын

I’m always impressed when people can do that

@aroundomaha 25 күн бұрын

I’d be happy with any generation Miata and am happy Mazda continues to keep developing it.

@klinkske 19 күн бұрын

I havent tried any ND. I own a NA since forever and have the impression you sit deeper in a ND and my froend said’ it drives like a modern car, we don’t t want that’. I need to think about that when someone replies’ of course it is better’ . It s just opinions. I hope all of you drive the best car you think you can have.

@Gauges51 20 күн бұрын

Not much for rant videos but this one was worth it. I’ve been both parties before and yes people do justify their outdated purchases with ignorance. Tip for y’all you were not dumb for buying something you wanted because a newer better version is out you got the best you thought you would get which is fine be happy they made improvements. Great video new sub from me! Have fun out there people!

@Crisheight 25 күн бұрын

It's funny because ND2 is still a badass car. Like both ND2 and ND3 are amazing and as ND2 owner you get longer support and life with the platform because of the new release.

@Chilicharger665 25 күн бұрын

Same here. I felt the different steering from the first turn to take the car off the dealer lot.

@jubbalandcars 25 күн бұрын

Steering nerds unite! 🤓

@schwagerin 25 күн бұрын

The new LSD is for all the new nd3, right? here in Mexico they removed the DSC track button, I don't know if it affects driving much.

@4kallday 25 күн бұрын

100% man it happens with the older BRZ/GT86's too. The 22+ are much better!

@jubbalandcars 25 күн бұрын

Better except for steering

@smacfe 21 күн бұрын

Humility has died and ceased to exist in this age where everyone gets participation trophies and feelings become facts.

@bobdadruma 25 күн бұрын

I own a 2023 MX-5 GT and I understand that the steering has gotten slightly lighter on the ND3 but in a good way. Does the wireless Apple CarPlay work well? It sucks on my 2023 MX-5 GT.

@WizardTerence 25 күн бұрын

Nd3 is a little bit better than nd2 but not in all ways. I don't like the daytime running lights being moved up and the new lights look to techy for the nature of the car. The reverse light are also moved up into the tail lights now, I don't like that either. But the hardware changes are better. I don't like the extra brake wear that the kpc software cause for better cornering

@philipmulligan4325 25 күн бұрын

I also don't like the speed limit warning beep.

@mrspeeddemon727 24 күн бұрын

I have an ND2 and love driving it. I'm sure the ND3 is better, the car needs to evolve. Am I jealous of the new stuff? Sure, but I'm not going to knock anyone for having a newer version than what I have. I'm just happy Mazda is keeping this little roadster with a 6 speed manual alive in our world of automatics and EVs. There really is nothing us ND owners should complain about. It's not the fastest car on the road, but probably one of the most fun to drive. Love mine!

@MiataND3 25 күн бұрын

I just got my ND3! It's much more fun than the GR86 I had. The inputs and sound are miles better too 👌🏻

@jubbalandcars 25 күн бұрын

Def better inputs. Not as playful rear end from factory though

@dannymn86 25 күн бұрын

Would this come down to alignment and could it be improved/matched with aftermarket coilovers?

@xanderj1492 25 күн бұрын

I have a 23 Club but had a 22 GR86 Premium and yes for the most part the MX-5 has better inputs. I thought the GR86 had much better steering however. Haven’t driven the ND3 yet. The worst part of the GR86 was the throttle and clutch. And rev hang lol.

@MiataND3 25 күн бұрын

@@jubbalandcars yeah it takes time to set (bodyroll) however it still poweslides even with bridsgestone not the primacy ones on the 86😂 maybe I will add stiffer rear sway bars to handle similar than the twins😎

@xanderj1492 25 күн бұрын

@@MiataND3 there’s probably a huge difference in playfulness between the base and premium because of the tires. The premium felt like it was on rails. Never drove the base.

@brandonprovo4666 22 күн бұрын

Love the video! Great insight to everything revolving around the conversation with the Miata comparisons.

@tedadamgreen 15 күн бұрын

I’m old so my biggest interest in the ND3 over ND2 is the Adaptive Cruise Control followed by the Apple CarPlay touchable screen 🤣 Looking to get a Manual of one in the next 12 - 18 months

@anthonyg2304 25 күн бұрын

All anyone wants to do on the Internet these days is complain for clicks. Thank you for being a voice of reason

@jubbalandcars 25 күн бұрын

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@VinceFung 20 күн бұрын

I own a polymetal ND2 and I'm sooo jealous of the new screen mainly lol. It looks great

@dino_will_win 25 күн бұрын

Some of the bigger YT channels, not going to name names, are adding to this confusion. A few months ago, when I was a noob, I used to take their word at face value. But now that I understand that a lot of them invest in cars, or want to at least protect their investment/cost of purchase, and that will cause them to spew out misinformation. Or maybe the dealership told them to say so, else they won't get another car to review next time. Another big fallacy that gets promulgated all the time: XYZ is the last of something-something. Yeah, there's not going to be another all-gasoline STi or Camaro because Subaru and Chevrolet don't like money! Whatever! Off topic, you went from a Casio to a Rolex. I aint there yet 🤣

@preventer333 25 күн бұрын

Just picked this car up few days ago. What controversy?! This car is awesome as is. ND3's slight tweaking on the screen was just icing on the cake.

@stevemartegani 25 күн бұрын

And I thought the nice new Infotainment was the main reason ND1/2 owners would be butthurt about the ND3 LOL

@terrytruex3482 25 күн бұрын

Ha ha. As a '23 owner and an old guy I do admit to that. A nice clear bu camera would be nice dang. Just happy Mazda still making and tweaking this car. We should all feel fortunate it is still around.

@xanderj1492 25 күн бұрын

I have a 23 Club and the screen sucks. But I forget about it when I’m driving so no big deal. Glad they updated it.

@terrytruex3482 25 күн бұрын

@@xanderj1492Absolutely! We all knew it wasn't great going in,not why we bought the car.

@jasondixon9095 25 күн бұрын

The MX5 will be a classic vehicle

@carbonf91 25 күн бұрын

It's entirely amusing how the Miata bickering about steering improvements is so reminiscent of the gen 1/gen 2 86/brz bickering about chassis improvements because some people didnt like the way the new car looked The analogy with music and hearing is pretty spot on. Some people are more tuned in than others and that's totally fine

@johnhartman5507 25 күн бұрын

I want to see you buy an ND3 car and set it up for track use, ala' SCCA STR trim (coilovers, Karcepts front frame reinforcements, front and rear bars, "track alignment", 17x9's and 245/40, 200 tw's. I have a 23' with Xida coilovers (12k/6k), the Karcepts parts listed above, Titan 7 R8 (17x9) wheels and Yokohama A052 tires. Track style alignment. I autocrossed it last weekend for the first time last and wow. Street or track, this car is a ton a fun. I have no reason to not believe that the steering in the ND3 is better. I would be disappointed if it wasn't an improvement. Thanks for making the videos. Please keep them coming.

@jubbalandcars 25 күн бұрын

I made my decision regarding my next track toy purchase. Video dropping Saturday

@johnhartman5507 25 күн бұрын

Oh snap! Looking forward to it as always! Thanks!

@KidNato 12 күн бұрын

ND2 owner here. Wish I had the infotainment more than anything and EXTRA glad I do not have those fugly ND3 rims. Everything else would be nice, but I do not feel like I missed out.

@TexasVexes 22 күн бұрын

Lol the only shade I got at a car meet was from a Miata owner. 😂

@mystictrunks5508 20 күн бұрын

im in the market for a miata. Do you think the differences are enough to warrant getting a new nd3 over an nd2 in the mid 20's?

@jubbalandcars 20 күн бұрын

Try both. Some people will enjoy the differences and others won’t re steering. Also depends how hard you’re driving it regarding LSD

@gmoroder 21 күн бұрын

I'm in the market for an ND Miata: it seems like you can get manual ND2s for as low as $20k on the used market if you look enough. Would you say that a new ND3 is worth the $10k price difference? I only have experience with an ND1 on Turo: I loved that car, but wanted a higher redline and better steering feel. My reference point for good steering is a 1987 Toyota MR2 that I used to own, which had no power-assisted steering whatsoever but was amazing.

@jubbalandcars 21 күн бұрын

Depends on how much one cares (and has sensitivity) for steering and disposable income

@opmike343 25 күн бұрын

This is a basic life cycle update/refresh. People fight and argue over EVERYTHING now. It's almost like if we go too long without a war, we just start eating each other alive.

@thepiratesilver7832 24 күн бұрын

I have the 23 ND2 Club and my heart hurts how jealous I am of the ND3 changes. They made all the changes I wanted.

@AdAstra78 24 күн бұрын

I've just bought a decond hand 2020 RF and fully accept that the car has been further refined since then. That's just the way it goes! If Mazda have made an awesome car that little bit better still, then that should be celebrated.

@ruturaj47 25 күн бұрын

I would say ignore him but I am guilty of same thing as you, it gets to me. I really liked your point about building to that level, I am 100% sure I won't feel the difference, the goal is to feel not to prove anyone wrong, started doing track days last year and I understand my car much better, hopefully I would start to understand steering feedback better.

@KoryoJK 25 күн бұрын

If we are debating this so much then maybe folks like throttle house were right in that there is a difference, but not enough that common folks will be able to tell. So it’s not a matter of opinion, but A. how much the individual cares about steering feedback and B. sharpness of their sensory feedback.

@jubbalandcars 25 күн бұрын

Agreed. There is a difference that, experientially, is dependent to someone’s sensitivity to steering. But that could be argued for most differences in a car. Someone who has severe hearing loss will have less to gain from an engine or exhaust that sounds better.

@Slowcarfastbeans 24 күн бұрын

Sounds like people arguing semantics or splitting hairs. Neither could be worse than a Uhaul’s steering feel.

@Scifo321 25 күн бұрын

I thought the miata community was the best community 😭I bought an ND3 and will be picking it up in 2 weeks, but now i'm not so sure i want it. :p Jokes aside, i didnt care about buying ND2 or ND3. Probably won't feel the difference. All i want is a reliable car, reliable engine, reliable transmission so didnt bother picking up a used car so went for a new spec. 6 year warranty is all i care about and the new infotainment is a bonus because i have it in my Mazda CX5 2023 model and i like it :D

@user-cj7dv2kc6d 24 күн бұрын

I would like to test drive one to see if i feel a difference compared to my 2022 nd2. Its better regardless with screen, diff, and lights. But we can still be very happy with our prior year versions.

@jubbalandcars 24 күн бұрын

Absolutely

@TheScottishDad 25 күн бұрын

I am an ND2 owner - the refresh of this was an improvement other than the Intelligent Speed Assist (ISA) here in the UK.

@royshavrick 24 күн бұрын

So is the ND3 that much better that it is worth the increased price over a used ND2? Or is it better to just stick with a used ND2. The throttle house guys said it wasn't night and day, it was just a touch better. But idk.

@theinvisible11 25 күн бұрын

I literally have a deposit on both a 2024 GR86 and an 2024 MX5 RF. Please help me decide lol. Just tell me which you would pick for a drivers car/daily commuter, with the roof, space and cost being non issues.

@xanderj1492 25 күн бұрын

If those things are non-issues probably the MX-5 as someone who has owned both. But I really would consider the soft top. If you’re going to drive top down the RF has lots of wind buffering and horrible visibility. Looks great though!

@xanderj1492 25 күн бұрын

Let me warn you about a couple things about the GR86 that I hated. The throttle is lazy as hell which makes rev matching a pain. There is a ton of rev hang. And the clutch is very vague. The MX-5 is much better in regards to those issues. Zero rev hang. Much better shifter. I haven’t driven the ND3 but the GR86 did have better steering than the ND2.

@joshuaciccoricco2947 23 күн бұрын

I cant imagine the butthurt from ND1 to ND2... That must have been epic. BTW this is all kinda a positive. I like that the Miata community is focused on the mechanics and not the infotainment system.

@tone3560 24 күн бұрын

If I was shorter 5'10" I would be all about an nd3. Being 6'2" I went with a 23 brz. I did test drive an ND3 and I was completely flabbergasted at how the suspension gyrates all the time like one of those single spring horse figuring's in the playground. Made me feel uneasy. I'm sure with suspension mods its a dream. Yeah, when it comes to any forums or car reviewers, I think the biggest problem to me is prefacing the vehicles/motorcycles you have owned previously to give the audience some basis of your evolutionary relevance that correlates with the authenticity of your review of said car. The forums are shit shows full of ad homeinems like you said and it will never end and there is no reason to engage these individuals and waste your time.

@johnhartman5507 22 күн бұрын

Let's get this new video released already! 😂😂😂

@FATmenDRIVEtrucks 23 күн бұрын

Bro just get a ND3 they’re incrediblly fun

@g.richardson6883 24 күн бұрын

Reminds me of Tesla Model 3 owners who convince themselves that the new Model 3 (“Highland”) isn’t much of an update.

@jubbalandcars 24 күн бұрын

Exactly. Same thing

@fjaeger 23 күн бұрын

You're dead on about the coping stuff. Yeah, sometimes previous generations can be better, but it was real with the 86 lineup.

@Bonsai-Miata2020 24 күн бұрын

My 2020 Sport with Ohlins and progress sway bars improved the steering as well as the handling. I wish they would have eliminated the pop up screen on the dash. I do not feel the ND3 is enough of a difference to upgrade to. They missed the opportunity to produce a turbo model that would have set the sales on fire!

@cheo0807 25 күн бұрын

The truth is always in the nuance

@jubbalandcars 25 күн бұрын

My fav word

@junkazama7922 25 күн бұрын

I always get that from prior generation owners. It makes me chuckle every time. I also own a CTR and yet SI owners always tell me that their shit box is better.

@jubbalandcars 25 күн бұрын

😆

@xanderj1492 25 күн бұрын

It’s better in one metric. Cheaper.

@Chandroth 25 күн бұрын

Keep up the good work. There will always be haters. Please don’t let those bullshitters get to you. You don’t necessarily have to respond to all of them. Most of them don’t even have a point. They only wanna win the argument even if they are wrong. They enjoy the process of making you lose your cool.

@Koishishibaman 13 күн бұрын

I have shown dogs, owned and race miatas, own mustangs, have a bad watch obsession. Own too many. Clubs, forums, now social media. Too many know it alls. Stick to your opinions. Cars and watches go together. Found a Straum opphav green dial that matches the dark highland green on my 19 Bullitt. Hard color to match! Have a cool pic of my GS black birch next to the white Q ball shifter.

@wny9521 9 күн бұрын

I guess your take on this makes sense. I just don't have an issue with the steering of my 2023 MX% Sport. And I have no concerns with my current standard rear diff. I am trying to learn to heel toe better though. But i'd believe the steering is more precise on center and Im sure the new limited slip diff is even better. I=Either 2023 or 2024 everyone should try and get one. This cars are amazing and I got a good deal with .09 financing on my new 2023.

@jubbalandcars 9 күн бұрын

Great rate wow

@Mx5pro 24 күн бұрын

I own nd2 rf gt and I will say I’m jealous that nd3 got the updated infotainment system, and better steering

@tampapete7954 25 күн бұрын

Put some pants on!! Always enjoy your content....keep it up

@jubbalandcars 25 күн бұрын

🫠

@arricammarques1955 13 күн бұрын

NC3+PRHT & Beck 550 Spyder : )

@K03sport 23 күн бұрын

and the ND2 is better than the ND1....it happens....and the VB WRX is better than the VA WRX, but I'm perfectly content with my VA WRX...

@JoeBleaux69 5 күн бұрын

3:35 I agree. When it comes to fa*ging and driving I’m the boss.

@volodymyrshoniia2424 25 күн бұрын

The big improvement that I've seen in Kevin is not talking about double clutching being a cinch. Like why did you ever talk about double clutching in non ancient cars? Were all your synchros kaput or something?

@jubbalandcars 25 күн бұрын

Just for you I'll include more double clutching commentary in future videos 😂

@volodymyrshoniia2424 25 күн бұрын

@@jubbalandcars TRIGGERED

@oldatarigamer 24 күн бұрын

You shouuld have seen the commetary on the NC back in the day from NA and NB owners. Ugh, so frustrating but that generation is finally getting its due today.

@adrianesteves3260 25 күн бұрын

Nice Roley on the wrist!

@dawncrlito 25 күн бұрын

You're actually so based. Keep it up

@davidrome6066 24 күн бұрын

Im glad we don’t call the MX5 the Miata cause its stupid 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

@Moongul 20 күн бұрын

Not a owner of a Miata but disregarding people when they criticize the increase in price and theoretical better performance as a cope is so disingenuous. Also with the thumbnail saying "Deal with it" is such a petty thing to say like people have to deal with increase price and can't complain or criticize about it. Time will tell if the ND3 is better.

@jubbalandcars 20 күн бұрын

Price increase of $825 is negligible and expected with inflation. The cope bias is a common occurrence with new or improved vehicles

@tomdoe1234 15 күн бұрын

I don't have a BRZ/86 so I don't care but yeah the update was wacked with an ugly stick. I have an ND2 the steering and LSD are fine for driving on the road which is what I do but I would love to have that bigger screen and touch screen hell yeah that's what I want

@PumpUptheJam81 5 күн бұрын

The haters are probably people who did not qualify for financing.

@jubbalandcars 4 күн бұрын

😂😂

@Jumbo-D 9 күн бұрын

Every Miata ever made is lacking because they DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH POWER. How do you all like that FACT?

@22jeepmojave75 23 күн бұрын

I see deepsea or sea dwellers or sub?

@JoeBleaux69 5 күн бұрын

Constructive criticism: try to make it less about you and more about the car please and thanks

@FrontManagement621 25 күн бұрын

My problem with the Gr86 is that it’s too nice haha. But I’m just owning the old school driver vibe now. Got into watches and I’m happy with my “cheap” Citizen Eco drive sport. People just need to be true to themselves.

@jubbalandcars 25 күн бұрын

GR86 so well rounded but agreed the edges have been smoothed out too much

@volodymyrshoniia2424 25 күн бұрын

Just seal wif it