Thanks Jaroslav! I appreciate the kind words, have a great weekend my friend.

You too 😊

It seems the 1zpresso line are tough to beat in a lot of ways!

I feel the same way with the 1zpresso JX Pro. 12.5 micron adjustments and around 200 clicks in total. That should do. Also, I feel that grinding is smooth enough for my taste. The magnetic features of the Mazzer seem nice though! But not over-400-dollars-nice.

@@HenryPiffpaff yeah I mean its a quality grinder all around, but for the price the lack of usable space on the dial can’t make up for the beautiful build, materials, and burr design.

I'm gonna buy a K-Plus soon, just seems nothing can beat it unless it has SOME downside, be that way higher price, or way slower grinding like the C40 - resulting in slightly superior taste though supposedly, but add to that Comandante's current lawsuit nonsense as a downside.... - or something else. I love the magnets on the Omega and the external grind adjustment system, looks great, and it's actually around the price of the K-Plus (I see it for 282 euros vs the 275 I can get the K-Plus at). But it seems it'll still be the K-Plus.

Gotta say, love my J-Max. And a relatively affordable $270CAD.

Yeah I can’t help but always want to recommend stepless grinders, but often they are more expensive. I think they missed that opportunity here. Stepless adjustments would make it a game changer.

Mazzer Mini for filter or ZM

You’re welcome! And have a great weekend!

My issue with the knock is that the setting can move on its own. Something I've seen bother my ex more than I'd ever want to deal with on my own. I've used it a few times camping but I didn't care since we were French pressing

@@veganpotterthevegan I haven't had that problem but the o-ring used for friction is pretty tight on mine.

You've got the best grinder on the market.

Gotta agree with both of you!

Did you see one of those grinders? What is the point of a hand grinder if it’s as big as an electric one?

@@Maxime-ho9iv Throughput? No, seriously: I don’t see why size should matter much when choosing a hand grinder. For me it should tick the following boxes (desc prio): - well made / reliable / repairable - easily and precisely adjustable with a range from espresso to filter - good burr set / particle size distribution - close to zero retention (obviously) - fast - and yes, also somewhat portable / small / lightweight So for that I haven’t found a better alternative to my Lido yet. It’s indeed not the right choice for your multi-week hiking trip.

I just read that Feld 47 Made By Knock is stepless. They mark numbers, but you can go between the points/ markings.

How's Apollo Grinder?

@@jae.albuena I have a beta tester unit from a few years ago. It's not bad, but the thing that irks me most is the threads on the catch cup. Not entirely sure if they ended up changing those in a later revision though.

Thank you Art! For me this is the ultimate compliment, it’s exactly what I aim to do and I’m glad it comes across. For me this isn’t about making money, getting free gear or hitching my wagon to brands, it’s all about bringing fair, objective, and real reviews to the coffee community.

Not sure if the model, got it from Wayfair awhile back.

Yeah I feel you on that, personally hand grinders aren’t really something I get too into and spending that much on one isn’t for me, but some people love them and use them every day. Maybe I’m just lazy haha.

@@Sprometheus I wish I had the time in my day to hand grind coffee haha.

​ @The Real Sprometheus Hand grinding coffee is a kinda ritual to many, we need more innovation and performance to make hand grinders more attractive compared with cheap electronic grinders

It's a lot of money for something that seems to miss quite a few major marks, espically when you consider the jmax has 8.8 micron per click adjustments and is about half the price.

Yeah, I personally aim for slightly faster brews on the Orea and flat bottoms in general as the shape seems produce less clean cups when it goes past the 3 minute mark. And on cone drippers I generally aim for the same timeframe (2:30-3min), but also they tend to run faster naturally so fining up the grind combats that.

@@Sprometheus Okay, interesting. With my mentioned grind size and parameters for a 250 ml brew I end up within that timeframe (2:20 - 3:00). Also for my experience the Orea is one of the fastest flat bottoms with barely stalling. On a cone dripper (and Hario or Cafec filters) with three or four pours I would end up with a longer brew time with the same grind setting because it gets a lot slower towards the end. For me in the first place cone shape or flat bottom is a question of the wished outcome (e.g. flat bottom is more balanced, more body, often sweeter vs. more detailed, complexe, more separated flavor notes (bypass effects)).

@@ndcooper fwiw my experience with flat bottom is the same, same, ...

I have the Chestnut X as well, and I’m inclined to agree with you. It does have far more adjustments, large and small clicks, which gives you a lot more room to dial in. That said, I think handle, ergonomics, and grinding resistance of the Mazzer makes it a bit of a nicer user experience.

@@Sprometheus Surely the X is not the perfect grinder, but it’s good enough for me. What’s missing in both grinders - at least for me - is a bent crank handle that’s better supporting ergonomics. But there’s always room for improvement, depending on the usecase. I for example use the X on camping trips and when it’s really cold outside, the grinders get freezing cold as well and it really takes time for the full metal body to loose the cold. I bought the X without the leather sleeve first, but had to add it to the grinder to make my morning coffee routine a little less painful 🥶

I wondered about the 22 microns on the 1zpresso K Plus. I don't have one, but folks were recommending a setting number but when I tried "harmonize" that setting with the micron value, I seemed I could not even get close. The K Plus seems not to be online to download, and as far as I know I haven't seen that explained. Not that I worry about it as I'm using and happy with C40 Mk III.

@@simkool77 I think that part of the problem is that - unlike with flat burrs, where a vertical movement of the burrs has a fairly direct relationship with the size of the particles exiting - conical burrs profiles are not straight lines, and the distribution of sizes does not change in a linear fashion at all. In other words - "60 μm of movement" on an Omega may well get you a very different result than the same 60 μm on a Comandante (or a 1Zpresso, or a Kinu, or...)

@@dlevi67 interesting! We use a single dose flat burr for espresso.

I love V60, but I’ve been using the Orea more than anything lately for filter coffee. Just love the speed and results I get from it with little to no effort.

@@Sprometheus can you make a video about orea ?

Good question, I think it’s a hard one to answer since speed is relative to the user. Burr size will make a difference in speed too. These are 47mm and when grinding for espresso, at what I could consider a comfortable pace, it took me about 1 minute to grind a 17g dose. Hope that helps!

I use a 1zpresso j-max and it chews through beans. I’m sure it’s the fastest on the market! About 30 seconds I can grind 18grams in easily

Haha actually I’m not, I’m more so ambidextrous, sort just swap hands around for certain things not sure why, haha. I’m not sure what the conical portion size is, manufactures only tend to list the pull set diameter, which in this case is 47mm, but I’d guess the internal burr is maybe around 35-40mm.

Mr Simon, thank you my friend. I spend a great deal of time meticulously planning each and every visual in my videos and it feels good to be recognized for that! Also, thanks for watching and have a great weekend.

Lol I grind for espresso daily with my jx pro. Light roasts. 18 grams. Takes me maybe 45 seconds Since when have we become this fragile that 45 seconds of strain on our arms are too much?

@@luke768 It's called arthrosis, and I hope you get it too, "LOL".

@@jmsaffroy then why on earth would you be in the market for a hand grinder?

@@luke768 I'd have been glad to answer if you hadn't started out with a condescending and irrelevant comment, then followed up by asking me to justify myself. It's a diverse world out there, maybe some day you'll learn that other people are different from you and still deserve respect.

@@jmsaffroy grinding coffee hurts your joints. My comments hurt your feelings. Geez man, you’re so soft

It would be a next level option and worth every penny at point. I think it would be worth it if it was stepless as well

@@Sprometheus Comments mentioned a step less! Can you make a list of known step less hand grinders? Also, from the review, I thought there may be a graphic of the microns of steps on a comparison list of hand grinders. I just saw a seconds cosmetic factory sale site for Feld 47 new on Ebay, but have no idea how many microns per step, but it is same size 47 burr. I am new to espesso. Have the old model Feld 47. Thought I would buy no more unless Hive roaster. However, just got miles of improvement on my Stagg X by sliding a Melodripper down close to the bed and grinding a wee bit coarser when I thought I was all about Robot and Aeropress. (So, still playing with products when I hit peak experience with Cafelat Robot. Even looking at Aramse's new filter dripper.) Somewhere other comment asked about OE Lido and I remember that was my other contender for my purchase and still interested, so I second that question. I am really impressionable! lol

@@Sprometheus Yes, money makes a difference unless rationalized new category.

Niche Zero has Mazzer burrs 😉

There's one version of the Mazzer Mini that was thought exclusively for filter, otherwise the ZM, but it's a bit spenny hehe

That’s why stepless is the GOAT of grinding

lol you will like the clicking sounds like luxury dive watches, or safeboxes

@@Sprometheus Is Kinu the only stepless hand grinder?

I think the experience of using it is great, the feel, ergonomics, external adjustments, and ease of grind. It just doesn’t hit the adjustments that I’d expect for a hand grinder of this price point.

@@Sprometheus I just love your way of giving honest opinion regardless of the brand or situations 😊🌷🌹🌷🌹🌷🌹🌷🌹being fair and brutal in your opinions is what I think a positive thinking, your brutal and honest opinion in some way or the other will ultimately help the brand in return for improving their product 😊🌷🌹🌷🌹🌷🌹hope you have an amazing day , feeling happy blessed and proud to be talking to a coffee reviewer.🌷🌹🌷🌹

The Comandante is kind of the big name in hand grinders it seems! The pour over stand is also a built in scale that shows flow rate and a lot of other data. It’s called the Timemore Black Mirror 2.

​@@Sprometheus Oooh, that's the one. Nice piece! Thanks a lot!

Haha there would be a lot of people with smaller hands that would find themselves out of luck.

@@Sprometheus haha there is a hand grinder that has that and actually seems to be easy to hold just heavy, it’s hard to come by though.

@@Sprometheus It would have to be barbell shaped and would be heavy enough to double as one!

More or less that’s true

Yep, that’s a proper click to micron rate for sure

Apparently "these things work" by ignoring the question. Good to know Spro

or light roasts...

Or better yet, $420.69

+ shipping from Italy and customs duties

It is pricy, I don’t think it’s bulky though. Especially next to my other hand grinders. But I do agree the Comandate became a Standard for a reason, and it’s because it just tends to hit all the right points at the right price. I do think determining who the grinder is for is up to the buyer. I’m sure it would make a solid travel option, or even a home grinder. I just wish they had made it stepless and it would be an even better competitor in the market.

@@Sprometheus well the bulkiness i cannot judge 100% but it seems very big. bigger than the c40 or at least space differently distributed. that the mazzer is not covered is also a problem. but the c40 has also not the best solution. the cheap plastic cover seems a planned obsolescence.

Yep, just to bother you.

The one-zed-presso! Obviously!

Mazzer are one of the most popular makers of commercial grinders for cafes. Home users are only a very small percentage of their customers.

There's no reason you need to spend this much. Diminishing returns are the norm for everything from $30-$5,000, shoes, and $50-500 grinders. No need to go to the upper end unless you can afford to and want to.

@@veganpotterthevegan I would go so far as to say that even if you can afford to you shouldn't want to. I was going to go further into it as I am a bit passionate about such things, but its probably wasting time more than anything on a youtube comment section.

@@JohnA... people are passionate about all kinds of things...coffee included. And you can be sure the companies making $100 grinders are banking more money than most of the high end focused companies

Yeah it’s definitely reaching into electric grinder territory, like the Option O Lagom Mini.