At the end of the day , Ed just voiced his opinion. What I do believe is, the record industry stopped pushing positive hip hop and that created an unbalance in the music.

Mc eight is one of the most underrated artists.💪🏾

NWA didn't create gang violence, drug dealing, robberies...etc. They brought awareness to it in their music. Most of us related to it because it was taking place in our neighborhoods. I'm from the South and I saw all of that stuff going on in Memphis before I ever heard an NWA song. If you want to point to something that affected rap music negatively. Point to the Biggie/Pac beef. That's when things truly took a turn for the worse. It was no longer about battling on wax. It became a territorial war. Our stars getting killed over lyrics. This isn't a hip hop/rap issue. It's a black culture issue. We are displaying hate whether we're broke or rich. The music didn't create the problem... it doesn't help the problem neither but it didn't create it.

There were plenty of other artists talkin about violence and explicit topics, from the east and west. It was the way NWA delivered it, great production, dope beats and scratching, distinct voices, catchy lyrics, their gangsta image......they just did it better than the others. Which is why they were such a phenomenon, they crossed races and genres.

Eazy said “I’m not a role model or a dr.Seus, yo I’m a gangstta and I’m about get stupid” key words being “I’m not a role model” 💯

BDP had songs like, 'Super Hoe", "9mm Go Bang" and "The Bridge Is Over" where KRS-1 says "Roxanne Shante is only good for steady fuckin" rappers like Just-Ice, Schooly D and Ice T all came before NWA...so stop it!!!

MC Eiht broke this down wonderfully!

I think Special Ed. is saying that Nwa became the poster for the 'agenda' to eventually commercialize the 'destruction' of the black American culture. On the flip side, the conscious rapper became 'unpopular'. And fast forward to drill music represents 'the culture'. I may be wrong.

The problem is not NWA . The problem is the industry making a decision to play 1 genre of hip hop over the other genres of hip-hop.... And nobody can escape this back in the 90s that did make a decision to play one genre over the others.... 🧐

I'm 51 from The Bronx and I understand what Special Ed is talking about. NWA was the 1st to curse constantly on a national level. Actually a world wide level. And they were completely underground. No radio play at all.

It’s amazing to me that this is even a debate. We were warned by the congresswoman and others that were in the fight against them at that time. Look at the culture now! Look at our kids now! Look at our communities now! Look at the self hate now! We were warned and have absolutely no one to blame but ourselves for the constant allowance of foolery in our community and culture…..

Ed was on point to a degree…a lot of us older cats listened to NWA as peers, we was going through similar crap in our hoods, we heard them and listened however we knew music prior to hip hop or gangsta rap where as y’all newer generations gangsta rap is all y’all know, most of us older folks didn’t grow up wanting to be Thugs or live a Thuglife, even the Gangsta Disciples in my hood didn’t want to be gang banger despite them being exactly that.

I love this podcast. These guys have great conversations. 💯👏

KRS 1 was the first rapper to mention a 9 millimeter and Chuck D was the first to mention a Uzi.

Mc Eight is a gem

Tha WU had some knowledge of Self in there lyrics but tha WU had members sellin dope on records.. 😎

For better or worse, at least we're having the conversation, because we need to get a hold of this violence in the black communities, and start healing. The destruction of black youth, is at epic levels, and some kind of way, it has to stop. Ed didn't say anything wrong, that's just his perspective. The question is, now what do we do about? Because talking about it, ain't gonna change shit, without action. Opinions be damned.

Truth. Every one of those early records was a cautionary tale. From NWA, Ice Tee, the Geto Boys all of those guys were warning young guys : THIS WON'T END WELL

I always loved Eiht cause he would like he said tell both sides.. He died on wax many times “Going Out Like Gs” classic

NWA brought in gang life type of flavor, in jail, convict type stuff. We who are old enough were there to witness it and we cosigned that by buying and embracing that lifestyle. I like many others took it as just music BUT, you had a lot of cats who took it too seriously. Respect to Special Ed and MC Eiht ✌️

I'm From Brooklyn I disagree with special Ed NWA brought awareness realness and they opened your eyes 👀 to shyt that was really going on especially with the crooked police 🚔 💪 💪 💪 💪

Definitely riding with Eiht

Gangsterism existed way before NWA

Can't blame N.W.A for the self destruction. Let's investigate the family setting for the appetite of destruction. I grew up in Chicago all around dope and gangs and saw the decline. It wasn't the music it was the family dynamic.

Thanks a lot guys for the video! Eiht is a humble one! Respects! Geaaaahhhh!

I absolutely love Wu Tang👐🏿🔥💯👐🏿But a great majority of what Ghost Rae & the whole Wu talked about was selling dope, killing & big Dondada type shit🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️ I have damn near every album from every member of the Wu, tons of drugs tons of killing said in a fly ass way, no different than Gangsta Rap😂😅 Anybody in their 40s & up whos a super fan of East & West from then to now know most of the shit ED said was more than waaay off, smdh... By the way EIHT, Music To Drive By is one of the dopest albums of all time!💪🏿📀🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯Bet Ed wouldn't know nothing about that tho, Drive-by Ms Daisy, Straight Checkin Em, shut the door on Ed😂😅 LETS GO PLAY SOME GANGSTA SHIT!🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯

NWA GAVE ALL OF US AN OPINION TO SPEAK OUR MINDS AND STAND TO BE INDEFINITELY HEARD RIP E 🙏 AND BIG 8 KEEP IT GOING

The message that NWA told the world about what was going on in south Central Los Angeles was very important. That doesn’t change the fact that they had the most influence on something that would begin to destroy our youth and hip-hop. It was their influence that truly created gangster rap even if Ice T or Schoolly D was talking like that before. They were just keeping it real but the community paid a big price.

NWA had social commentary when cube was there. After Cube left, NWA was on a lot of toxic ignorant stuff. Wu Tang was also grimy and gangsta with Ghost, Rae and ODB but they had more pro-black 5 Percenter messages and intellectual lyrics.

Kool G Rap rapped about drugs guns East coast gangsta shit

Mc 8️⃣!! Very laid back Cool Dude who Stands on his beliefs!! Without the political BullSh.t!!

ANOTHER GREAT MC EIHT INTERVIEW ON GC 💯

🤔 as someone who was around back in the 80s and 90s there's no doubt in my mind that a lot of gangster rap and those who glorified that kind of lifestyle in rap ABSOLUTELY harmed our youth! I bought NWA, I bought Geto Boys, I bought, schoolly D I bought Just - Ice and many other gangster or hardcore rappers tapes in LPs back then. But like I said there's no doubt in my mind the message that they were sending out was a negative message that absolutely harmed us as a people. Detroit here.. DONE!

Wu Tang talked about how they went from being negative to positive, NWA didn't. Nothing about NWA was constructive or positive. I fcks with NWA but let's keep it 💯.

Hip hop is what was going on in the hoods of America during the NWA era..they was just bold enough to talk abt it and not tap dance in the industry with the party BS

Special Ed sounding hella Remedial. I’m glad Daz & Corrupt kept it positive.

Only reason ppl think Wu isnt looked at as ignorant as N.W.A. is because they werent as blantant with the wordplay. N.W.A was raw no similies nor metaphors just straight to the point in your face anger and survival. Wu was more figurative

I'm going to keep it simple. As far as East Coast hip hop West Coast hip hop, people act like NWA was the first hip hop acts in California. There is no problem with NWA. The problem is the record executives and their agreed and outside of their greed the desire of the puppet Master to create division to bring down a people who decided to be creative and to take that creative art form and only promote one side of it. So in short what they did is suppress the creativity of artists by only allowing a certain type of artist to be heard. Not all artists want to be gangster rappers and say negative things. But if that's what sales then You will find a lot more people going down that road. Case in point cowboy movies used to make a lot of money until someone else came along and decided to tell another story And when those stories got told maybe it was about city life or politics or monster movies whatever it was about people started moving away from just making cowboy movies. So the thing with hip hop which is a form of expression especially for the youth is that if you understand the youth or the future but you only feed them poison when you turn around and look at the youth you will say there is no future for the you We have fed them poison and kill them off. If you give them nourishment then you will say our future is in great hand because they mines are excelling they are creative look how many different things they have created look how many directions they have gone in look at all of the things that they have explored and found and discovered and what they have created Who would think someone imagination can stretch that far. So just think if the record exact s are telling you to push out some gangster s*** some kill kill fell drugs talk about crime then your creativity is limited. Understand this not everyone that grows in the ghetto that hair gunshots go off in the dark that see crack vows and needles on the ground as they walk to school wants to write about it and express it in their music. Some people want to get away from that some people will never talk of that Some people will imagine that those things are just small opticals in their way and they would like to forget it or they would like not to glorify it. Let's take a rapper like Kanye West for a hot second This guy never glorified selling drugs and if you listen to his first album as well as it did you would say he allowed his imagination to fly and his imagination wasn't suppressed by all of what he seen in his neighborhood. Some of us can escape I will surroundings with our imagination. And some of us are so effective that if you gave us some money to talk about it we won't stop talking about it and that's hip hop.

To me NWA was just telling what they went through growing up and what they were currently going through. They didn’t kill hip hop. They rapped their reality. They painted a picture!!!

Boy, NWA let it be known what was really going on. FACTS Menace to society is one of the greatest rap songs of all time

Rbl posse dropped a tape called a lesson to be learned in ' 92. The introduction is done by Herm who is speaking over Aretha Franklin's 'giving him something he can feel'. Herm encourages the listener to not be influenced by the guns drugs and violence that was mentioned on the album.

Nwa showed us how to speak up and think what you want and not to be controlled. I grew up in that generation. Everyone has choices

Mc eight couldn't have said it any better. straight facts.

Meth said “cut your eyelids off and feed you nothing but sleeping pills” That sounds real positive!

Eiht is on point. Also ED has selective memory. There were street hood music in the East during his time. It was coming through. The dancing and party tracks were already sliding down hill. Hood Katz were spittin out in the East and their time was approaching quickly. If NWA was from Brooklyn or queens them Katz would have embraced it.

Respect to Special Ed for being a veteran in the game but he's a one hit wonder. He had one somg that hit.

Nwa forever!!!!

It was a catch 22. NWA was reporting on a lot of stuff that was going on in the streets, but at the same time it was negatively affecting the Black community to a degree because some ninjas just ran with it, and that lifestyle became romanticized. And Wu -tang isn’t all positive like Ed claimed, they rapped a lot of thug hood stuff too which reflected their own experiences, but I’m sure kids started emulating it in the streets as well.

Special ED honestly has a point because Dre said it his self “ I started dis gangsta sh!t and dis the mf thanks I git!

ED WAS JUST OFF ON THIS ONE PERIOD 💯👊🏿👊🏿👊🏿

This was the response I wanted to hear, Because Eiht gone keep it a buck

This is the most articulate explanation of what happened that I have seen so far. Now let's start talking about fixing the problem

As a NY KAT special ed was wrong i must admit son was tripping

Special Ed don’t know his history Krs was violent .. scholly d was violent rakim the song on juice was violent Straight out of Compton the single was social awareness

Eight y’all had the Blue cassette tape lol y’all was banging 😂

Truth Truth Truth Dope Dope Dope DOPENESS Till The Casket Drops We Just Can't Stop Each ☝️👑Teach ☝️👑🤟👑💜

Everything was cool as long as there was balance, you had NWA and 2 Live but you also had De La Soul and Tribe, no genre had as much varieties as hip hop music. Now theres zero balance and the underground is local cats doig drill about the ops and mainstream is Drake and whichever female the industry is currently pushing, Cardi B, Ice Spice, Sexy Red. I feel bad for my kids, they dont have their own music, even at the school dances they are playing music from thr 80s and 90s!

Those gangs in New York were there when hip hop started there you have it

The Elites noticed how influential Gangster Hip Hop was among the youth so they started pushing mostly that.

I like how u put ur input. I respect that. MC EIHT alright with me. Well Put G

Mc eith is right New York was talking that gangsta stuff too before nwa let’s keep it real

Thank you eith i said the same thing about New York back in 87 when I moved out that’s exactly how it was no California gang influence at all he is right

Mc ehit from straight streets outta Compton 👏👏👏👏👏

Notice that they turned the volume down when he was saying “that’s where the AGENDA started…” that’s his point.. but folks are having non-contextual conversations about it

The focus on the music changed and alot of guys couldn’t adapted and change and got left behind. Think about this in the early 2000’s the focus changed again and groups like CMW got left out but I don’t hear Eiht complaining

Well said MC EIHT✊🏾

Growing up listening to this music,, put us in a different mindset,,, facts are facts,,, and alot of us still haven't been to either coast

Ed was envious of nwa cuz they music was fire cleaver very creative from the rymes the beats and skits they spoke about what was going on in Compton and California also the movie was epic i love it his run was short lived and allegedly chub rock and howie t was his pen

So Wu tang wasn't rapping about Selling dope and beating the hell outta people?😂

I like mc eith he ain’t about no foolishness much love ❤️ brother

Compton's Most Wanted Music to drive-by album cover is the best cover I seen they got the CD of them in the back seat of the CD

I agree with Eight because being from Pennsylvania not far from Schooly D's home but living in Long Beach and Vegas in the 80's I listened to. East Coast & West Coast but had friends who were Bloods&Crips that said that life style wasn't for me so I had brothers spit positive knowledge in my ear

How am I younger than these dudes but overstand what was said ED might’ve been inconsistent in his take on west coast rap but all these artists are promoting negative msgs and being from CA I love NWA hip hop as a whole been part of my life but we losing control of our communities to the b.s instead of having a real dialogue on how to be standup individuals

Fellas respectfully, what I got from the interview was Ed was addressing the industry and what it did with NWA not what the group was actually saying or doing. No other Gangster Rap group got a letter from the FBI. So the powers that be have always had a hand in how the music is “programmed”. So we have to be honest, BDP, Just Ice, Wu-Tang or whoever on the East Coast who were doing Gangster Rap prior to or after NWA didn’t get the attention of not only the greedy music industry machine but the US government. That’s why he’s saying it was the start of the demise of our youth not that their music or they cause it.

Special Ed is from Flatbush Brooklyn... where there were no "dogs with a solid gold bone" - but there were dopemen, guns, appetites for destruction and a lot of cussing on the F train before NWA. And Daffy Duck got his face blown off every cartoon episode 🤣🤣🤣

EIGHT, YOU HAVE GROWN WISE AND YOU'RE A CHAMPION!!!!! IT COULD'VE EASILY BEEN YOU YEARS BACKWARDS, AND SAID NEGATIVE THINGS ABOUT ED, BUT YOU DIDN'T. RESPECT!!!!! I GREW UP LISTENING TO BOTH YOU AND ED, AND OF COURSE NWA. THEY HAD THEIR NEGATIVE AND POSITIVE SIDE TO THOSE ALBUMS. AS ARTISTS YOU GROW OVER TIME, AND YOU START TO TALK A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU DID WHEN YOU WERE KID.

Agree with Eiht He must've been High to fix your lips to say NWA was the cause of destruction of our culture. Ed bitter gangsta rap took off that's it! (Cleveland) we listen to both sides and South.

How come Snoop never catches any negative flack? Let's be real snoop has been throwing up Crip and waving his hand in thee air like he just don't care for how long now? 3 decades plus? He promoted his gang & gangs set on the global super bowl stage, & there was a absolutely ZERO CLAP BACK? For some the gooses gander is good, for others not so much..... ✌️💜🎶~206

M.C. Eiht mentioned Steady B & Cool C! What you know about Hill Top Hustlers

I'm from Brooklyn the industry changed the culture in rap period!

This episode is a little unfair, drink champs asked the question because they knew their was a comparison to be made, but Wu dropped their first album in 93, the age of destruction was well in gear, and Ed said NWA was used to create an agenda against our youth and he is right, and he said watch they create a narrative that's east vs west and yall are falling for it, our youth should be the main focal point and how do we get them back on track.

The real question is does gangsta rap have a negative influence in our community ?

I stared bangin Eiht music since Strait Check'em- Dayz of 89' Fuk Tim Dog was my Hit Music 2 Drive by

We had mostly Posses when I was growing up in NYC

OG MC EIHT#1

Special ED is wrong for Blamin 1 group.. Schooly D, Kool G Rap, BDP 1st album, 2 live crew 😎

Listen to the interlude torture on Wu-tang first alblum. That's definitely for the kids😂😂

How many people regret listening to N.W.A? When I bought their first single..Boyz in da hood...I thought they had came to Oakland,Ca and seen how we kicked it when I looked at the record cover and seen them with 40 ounces of Old English 800...It looked like I was looking at me and my homeboys...I thought the production on Boyz in the hood was so raw..and then I hear this voice that sounds like it has a pitch effect on it I don't regret it.

N.W.A. wasn't the first, Ed got it wrong. Actually, Uncle Luke won the court the court case referencing freedom of speech that allowed explicit language to be published and sold as long as it was labeled. The beginning of explicit material would have to be traced back to Miami and Luke Skywalker, if we want to be correct about it. I'm a fan of all rap, especially old school and I think Special Ed has a little bit of sour grapes for N.W.A. just because of the timing of their rise, kinda dousing any hope of a comeback for him and he's entitled to his opinion. Everything evolves though, and since it's inception, rap has gone through many transformations. It's trash right now but you never know what is coming next. Just my opinion

I'm 53 years old from Jersey. I agree with Eiht. He be on point plus he use to be out here. He knows his shyt

To me its not about trying to restrict the music they made. Its freedom of speech and plus its entertainment. Which people need to do their part and learn to be able to recognize. there are different ways to do that. Also they definitely gave cautionary tales too the poem at the end of Dope man for instance provides a different perspective and possible risk of that activity that many hadnt thought of.

Eiht was getting on my gat dam NERVES on that DJ Yella interview but ON THIS INTERVIEW, HE SAID NOTHING BUT REAL MUTHAFUGGIN SHIZZLE. I AGREE with EVERYTHING bro said, he ain't told not one gat dam lie 💯💪🏿

Definitely told a story and made people aware buuuut made money rapping about the streets. One of the first and the industry jumped on the band wagon. Ed said was just pointing out we're the fire started. The message was exploited am many rappers got caught up in the game and still do. Take the bad with the good.

We’re they the first or only? No. Do I think it was their intent to bring the “age of destruction”? No, But there was a shift in energy and attitude in hip hop after NWA and they set and perfected the blueprint and were the major influence in the gangsta element becoming a dominant force in hip hop and young black male culture.

Can we get another spice 1 and eiht album

Perfect timing for an MC Eight lyric: "Growing up in the hood, yeah boy 1983" 4:40

Damn Ed u got that old school late 80s hate let it go bro

I don't agree with Special Ed, but for Steele to clown his career was low, we never even heard of Steele before these podcasts, so stick to the subject 🤡 because we never heard you on anything

Being from Chicago i can unbiasedly say Ny had gangsta shit too just was more lyrical like kool g for example 💯

U have to look into the layers in what he saying. The imagery of played a big role on both Coast. The art of has been diluted with negative word play and guns etc.