Oh.

Omg.

There's no problem with this casting, lol. The actress is playing Shalla-Bal. Not Norrin Radd.

The Silver Surfer is a Matter Manipulator he probably can Shapeshift his Gender if he so chooses.

Totally we need the plot subline. Like for the superman movie all we got is established superman is finding his balance between human and kryptonian world. That's all we need from the fantastic 4 ! Like how are they in this world what's there place ?

Lmao Bars fr

What is this a reference to??? 😂or is this a line in the vid? I just began watching lmao

@@questworldiangreenknight7455 Original Sins #5

Nah bro he's got a Silver Speedo on in the video.

​@handlebarsmustache Kinda like Dr Manhattan. Wearing nothing but his speedo except for the film and TV show

For real.

What I hated the most about that Taskmaster was they made her gender into a surprise in a 2021 movie with a female lead. It's like they are trying to make the people coming to see Black Widow look like sexists.

And it worked, that think made a webtrillion on Twitch before it was sniped by 'The Man' (not Becky, the bad The Man)

I dont think the people making it were aware of the plot either

The plot of that movie was also originally completely different as to how it ended up, which is proven by official concept art that's been leaked recently. Originally it was supposed to be Ezekiel was going after an unborn Peter Parker which is why Emma Roberts was cast is Peter's mom cuz her role was originally a lot bigger hence why they got a big name actress. Then they completely changed the entire plot around making it unrecognizable as to what was was originally supposed to be made and then they scrubbed any reference to Spider-Man or Peter. That's why they don't even say his name. They cut it off right before they say Peter. It's kind of shitty

Imagine how few people would have watched it if Sydney Sweeney wasn't in it lol

And that's the real problem. The art of the teaser: Telling just enough to get you interested, but not one iota more. No one knows how to do it anymore.

publicity is good if the people who hear about it would've otherwise not heard about it and now might buy it. so for example no one has ever seen a super hero movie this hits the news now people who don't mind the change know the movie exists, but since the only people who are seeing this news are people who are already keeping up with super hero movies it's not broading the scope and it runs the risk of boycott or more acuratly poisoning the market by making the movie not fun to discuss

Most pirated shit is either lost media (which means there is no other way) or porn (which means it's so poor quality that nobody would pay for it).

@@jonbrewer297 music piarcy heavily hit the industry. it sorta bounced back with streaming but even now music makes much less money than pre-internet piracy days

How is AU Shalla-Bal for an AU F4 pandering?

​@@zacharybosley1935Come on, bro. You know exactly what this is. Fans have been eagerly waiting for years to see Norrin Radd/Silver Surfer to show up in the MCU. Then when they finally put Silver Surfer in the MCU they pull the rug out from under us and say "SIKE! We're using an obscure female version of the character that showed up for one panel in a comic nobody read instead of the version of the character everybody wanted to see." Watch the video.

@@KillaD69 Fr, we just want the original silver surfer with a great backstory becoming the way he is, with a powerful muscular male silver appearance of a god, flying around with a surf board. Just introduce Norrin Radd first and then later on with secret war introduce Nova. That’s about it, not that difficult, listen to the comics fans and you’ll get more audience, more audience means more money.

Oh it’s definitely to check that EDI metric and it’s just cooperate soulless and not genuine as long as they tick the boxes they need to

Shala Bal is Norin Radd’s girlfriend and is Silver Surfer in the Earth X dimension. Look, even I wanted Norin to appear, not his girlfriend, in fact, I didn’t know he had one. There is still a possibility of Norin Radd to exist in the main timeline.

Giving the fans what they want is how we got X2 and two different Dark Phoenix movies.

Sometimes you don't get exactly what you want, but you can still get a good movie.. Also, Norrin Radd. Two D's.

Exactly, but shills will say “bUt It’S iN tHe CoMiC Just as Frog Thor is there but that doesn’t mean we want Frog Thor instead of Normal Thor

@rsmith8113 what is normal thor? Because if memory serves the first Thor was pretty mid And the second Thor was even midder

@@zacharybosley1935 Giving fans the correct interpretation of the Dark Phoenix would have been success.

I mean... Shalla-Bal isn't Norrin, but does that really impact the story of the Fantastic 4?

Specially one where they on an alternate universe that may end up getting destroyed by the end for them to stay permanently at the MCU ​@@zacharybosley1935

@@zacharybosley1935 slave mentality. bow for your holywood masters

Whyre you assuming they're trying piss people off?

If it doesn't impact the story, why change it? DEI. Thats why. ​@zacharybosley1935

I wonder if it was just a quick way to get some outrage marketing.

So just say you're mad that you're not seeing more men on the screen. You can go watch gay p***.

It's a great way to set up Norrin Radd in the future. Plus, there's apparently two villains. It's genuinely not that deep.

@TyronSpiveyBrown also yeah, putting Shalla-Bal in one universe basically keeps the slate clear to have Norrin Rad in the MCU proper. They don't have to run the risk of doing the thing the CW Flash show did with Harrison Wells, and Harrison Wells, and Harry Wells, and...

@@TyronSpiveyBrown "It's not that deep" mfers when they read the Talmud

I mean, I can think of several reasons to use Shalla-Bal as a shorthand to indicate that the F4 weren't in the universe we'd expect them to be in. In the words of a pretty strange doctor: you lack imagination.

Who says they won't use Norrin Radd? If this is an alternate universe, it doesn't even matter. We can still get the OG Silver Surfer in the MCU. People are triggered so easily.

@@killah_disciple1 and maybe an alternate version of taskmaster will approve will join the MCU in secret wars or something

And maybe they'll make a shake up by making Hitler a gay women was the good guy and not a monster ​@@killah_disciple1

Ohh so you know the entire plot of the movie that is set in a alternate universe and not the 616 MCU? please... tell us more about how you " feeeeeel" about the movie you know nothing about besides they will have a female version of Norin Radd. LOL@ dudes like you. no wonder you guys dont get laid. You are deathly afraid of women.

Yep. You have to keep up the quality, even though, yeah, you can't control writers' and actors' strikes. I mean, you can, especially since the latest round of strikes over AI pretty much became moot when the courts found you can't copyright anything made with AI. and trolls are always going to be there.

From the back: "Also It was BORING!"

Man you can't believe the millions of people are trolls that didn't want to see this movie... If Captain marvel made a billion and this one made 100 million then that means 9/10s of the audience turned away ..

@@goodfellas1001 Millions of people wouldn't see the m ovie either way.

Period

Same

They know damn well people are gonna be pissed then feed the actors and the actress to the mobs and no one is even hate watching the film

I think its a bit of both.

Stop taking the roles you know your not meant to play

@@rodneybeckstedt6032EXACTLY. Like who asked for a race-swapped Little Mermaid? Still dumb to this day….THATS why these actors are getting all the heat….NOBODY is FORCING them to accept the roles!! 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@@rodneybeckstedt6032that’s not really an argument, plus we should have better decorum.

Main issue I had in his casting is he doesn't need to be in everything and he's kinda old already would rather have someone younger

I wouldn't say it's "obvious ideological choices" any more than marriage or bust for women during the Disney Renaissance was an ideological choice. It was, but nobody can see the ideology while they're outraging about this. I just wish they'd give a proper teaser.

why are they arguing?

From what I've read Iger wants Reynolds to do multiple appearances on The View that Reynolds has zero interest in, and Reynolds and Iger are battling about reshoots for the third act that Iger wants to use for extreme "woke" content that Reynolds thinks will ruin the movie. Of course all this is basically gossip.

​@@taylorlibby7642 looking at the past few years of disney it sound 100% true and going woke will kill almost anything

It's going to die.

​@@A_KZfaq_CommenterGod, I hope not. Dealpool so far has been pretty good. If Disney ruins this, then yes, the MCU is dead.

Its like they mistake clicks for tickets

Norrin isn't Not the MCU Silver Surfer to our knowledge.

@@zacharybosley1935 it doesn't matter if this is the first introduction to "Silver Surfer"

Exactly..they need to introduce Norrin Radd first..I don't care if Shalla Bal Silver Surfer was a thing in the comics....Jane Foster Thor was a thing in the comics too and it would've been stupid if they introduced her first into the MCU and not the male Thor

@@ItzMeWill exactly 💯

They save on marketing by banking on viewer outrage. I'd be willing to bet the safe and familiar stories haven't been profitable enough, otherwise there'd legitimately be no point to this business model.

@@zacharybosley1935 evidence?

@@zacharybosley1935 I would've considered this if MCU didn't have any great storylines or famous characters 😔

@@OmniDan26 if you don't have to pay for marketing because the fans are doing it for you, why would you pay for marketing?

You know they'll do it again.

Frfr. Context really helps for general audiences, but unfortunately when the Context isn't immediately obvious, people go a mile with it to decry it as a bad thing before they even seen it or the Context

Good writing 😊

They had a Silver Surfer. Granted the movie wasn't the best, but he was at the very least, as good as Silver Surfer could have been at that point in movie making. I still look back on him fondly enough.

@@Bananahammock681 "In the MCU" Sorry, I should have specified, my fault.

Exactly

@@denniscool6224 Thank you.

They are it's time to give em the finger back

Fans just want great story from the comics and their favorite characters being them. It can’t be possibly difficult to understand what the fans want, how the hell are they struggling with blade? Just create a badass blade movie with great story and gore, with no annoying characters and no agenda added to the movie, just blade slaying vampires and being badass*

@@lordyoda9382 Agreed. We had two badass Blade movies in the 90s...and it was a great story with a ton of action/violence and blood. This was way before the MCU and other comic book movies. It worked then and will work now.

@@CD-vi5dj Exactly, Just do it exactly the same as them but a different story introducing a old blade villian from the comics. It’s crazy how in the original script if I can remember that, his daughter is annoying and trying to replace him or something? If so then they literally chose the worst thing to do, nobody likes an annoying hero daughter where they don’t listen and shit.

@@lordyoda9382 ciri from the witcher was my favorite part of the third game. Stories about how fatherhood is helping children come into their own aren't told enough in media

@@zacharybosley1935 Yeah, I enjoy the Geralt and Ciri relationship, we need more relationships like this a lot more where the father and daughter understand each other and have their moments instead of arguing throughout the whole journey.

Maybe a third try at telling the Dark Phoenix saga will print more money at this point... At some point Comicbook fans gotta decide whether or not they want new stories or old stories.

@@zacharybosley1935 I mean that same logic would apply to Norrin Radd's only live action appearance being in the 07 movie too, no?

​@@colindavis7197I mean a character being a man is not a story line... And putting a vagina in a character and making her lame and gay isn't a good way of switching things up...

there isn't a "main driving factor" though. It's the dying comic's industry, it's disney overvaluing their movies before they even come out, it's constant rewrites and reshoots, it's a general lack of direction, and maybe it's the general public being tired of the content mill.

​@@lukebytes5366come on... How can anyone ever make a point without trying to shift the blame? Oh it's bad writing... Ok well that goes into the ideology in front of story argument... Or people don't like comic book material any more... Well invincible and the boys are pretty popular... And those are no name material. You're think the characters with names and billion dollar marketing machines would be doing better than them...

Most people who uses the term "woke" are really into politics or at least think they are

The only thing The Incredibles has in common with the Fantastic Four are the powersets, so no, it's not even the Fantastic Four done right for fans. Unless you wanted Mr. Fantastic as a woman, the Thing not being a rock monster, the Invisible Woman as an emo teenager, and the Human Torch's fire being replaced with superspeed or being placed in the baby with all the powers.

Exactly, like i don't really have a problem with it, I'm just curious like, why? Why her? That character really doesn't much having going on for her

@@kadegetslaid634 Because they can? There's no point in asking why they do what they do for an adaptation.

@TyronSpiveyBrown i mean yeah that's true, I'm just curious what they wanna do with silver surfer that's different from norrin, I absolutely LOVE him as a character so I'm kinda disappointed, still hoping for a solo project

Shalla-Bal is a pretty quick shorthand way to explain that the Fantastic 4 aren't in the setting we would otherwise expect them to be in. If this story is about them moving into the MCU, then using a different herald of Galactus than the one we're used to is a strong way to disrupt the audience sense of conviction. It's basically using your intuition that "this isn't right" to justify the narrative that the Fantastic 4 are in the wrong place. Kinda like how the fan response to Peter in Homecoming almost definitely led to him getting One-More-Day'd into oblivion in No Way home.

@@zacharybosley1935 it honestly wouldn't have made a difference if they went with Nova instead

I can understand what you say but my argument is that if there's anyone who's being toxic to the actors because they have a problem with then those people lost any and all credibility. Because anytime it sounds like that type of toxicity is valid because it harms the actors. Shouldn't the argument be that toxic people need to be deplatformed and should try our best to make the Internet a safe space? Like even if you don't valid these types of (which I know you and Benny don't) this type argument gives off the impression that you do

@@marcelinovazquez5128 While I get where you are coming from, you miss a two crucial points: 1) That these people lose all credibility to you is fine, but never think that everyone will such a high standard. If it speaks to already existing biases, it will find an audience that will validated it. 2) You can't deplatform on this large scale and making the internet a safe space is a dystopic pipedream as even with the best of intentions, you either will restrict speech to massive scale OR create a rule for thee, not me scenario (which is now already something that many have pointed out has happened.) Why did I make the argument that I made? Not to valid toxic behavior. I don't condone it and I have unfollowed people because of it. But it can't be stopped and often it justs add fuel to fire and give them more ammo. They get emboldened, especially because those who deplatform aren't rarely as virtuous themselves as they want to portray themselves. Censoring them won't solve anything. Even if we knew where we had to draw the line between toxicity and critique (which is another issue). There are a lot of people who rather successfully would be able to manage to mask their toxicity as "just criticizing things". Many of them will act it has "nothing to do with the specific actor" but that the casting of said actor is indicative of the fact that Hollywood has "no ideas anymore" and is "phoning it in". And with only a cast list and without a plot synopsis, this isn't as hard as they again has just to point back at past "controversies"... When you never came out in favor of the plot, you can choose not to do it in the future. But if you first release a good plot synopsis and manage to create some hype about, it is a lot harder for these people, once they are hyped to turn 180 when the casting is revealed and the races/gender don't match their expectations. To suddenly act like it is going to suck after previously being hyped about it while acting like the reason isn't racism, sexism or another form of discrimatory bias, is going to be tough. Plot quality doesn't depend on the race, sex or gender of the cast, so if it does kill your hype, you lose a lot of plausible deniability that it isn't about race or gender... That's the point that Disney has to get in their heads.

@@BjornV1994 I would recommend that watch A plus Hero Report's recent Livestream where he went over the topic. I don't expect you to change your mind but just try to see it from his perspective. He did 2 different videos on the topic one Livestream and a standard video but watch the Livestream one because that has full unfiltered thoughts

I know right

No female Thor was she’s a thing I actually liked how Thor 4 handled it

It's more like captain Carter where it's a different universe in which the girlfriend got the powers instead of the og hero

Facts they killed it for me plus I don’t want earth x ff I want the real ones smh

​@@denniscool6224they are to scared to put it in the main universe just in case it fails and it will fail hard

​@@cryingalone7572I recommend that you check out A Plus Hero Report's most recent Livestream on Silver Surfer being female. It may not change your mind but at the very least you could learn a lot from someone else's different point of view

​@@cryingalone7572Stop whining and let marvel do something different with The Fantastic Four instead of shoving the same story down our throats

​@@denniscool6224Oh bo who how dare Marvel do something different with the Fantastic Four cope harder bro keep coping

slave mentality

Yeah Rise of the silver surfer was not it

Exactly. They’re just changing shit to change shit. Plus, Jane Foster was Thor in the comics for a time but they didn’t introduce Thor as a woman in the first Thor movie. So why change Silver Surfer? Doesn’t make any sense, no logic whatsoever

While that is true, another truth is that, these days, unlikw the old days of the mcu, people stop watching movies just from things like that. Sure, there is a lot of publicity, but it is going the wrong way in the end.

MCU hasn’t cooked for awhile, lmfao.

Im sure theyll be devastated ur going

@@wilkokeepitonehundee5801 Not on an individual level, obviously. On a larger scale, it does matter. They are actively ruining their own reputation and credibility as a source of entertainment by choosing to focus on DEI values over good storytelling. Even you know it, deep down. Though I know you'll deny it. That's okay. You'll come around or you won't. No skin off my back. In the meantime, the numbers of people who reject the garbage that is currently being sh@t out of the entertainment industry and who have begun to create entertainment and culture independently of said industry have been growing every day.

Or probably not. They could introduce the male silver surfer and then the female one later on. It should be Nova instead of his wife anyway.

Norrin and Shalla-Bal are different characters.

@@zacharybosley1935 no 💩

@@Aragorn7884 which means they can serve different roles in the story. Shalla only really serves to communicate that the F4 aren't in *our* universe yet.

bruh, fans are waiting for norrin radd the male silver surfer not the female one not everyone cares about. You just want it to be good, that’s fine, BUT there are a lot of people that also wanted the original male surfer so why cant we have both a good story and the original male surfer, why do we have to rule one of those out?

Talk about completely ignoring the video...

@@zacharybosley1935 no, but Disney is being Disney to an extent...

​@@Aragorn7884Disney is being Disney because that's how corporations work, boss. This outrage marketing is just saving them ad-revenue

Good movies have agendas. 20 years ago we'd call that the story's "theme." X2 was a pretty solid story. Winter Soldier was a remarkable commentary on the US Surveillance State. The Dark Knight was pretty explicitly Christopher Nolan Shitting On The Patriot Act.

@@zacharybosley1935 Good movies can have agendas-you can go as far as having a blatant agenda, as long as there is competency. However, it doesn’t take a genius to understand what I’m saying when it comes to Disney, and their use of agendas. They hire activists who obviously put their political agendas first, and could care less about formulating good stories, or dialogue, or character building, etc…The examples you gave have a solid script (haven’t seen X-2 since I was a child so can’t speak much on that), and the more politicized elements are woven into it in a way where it doesn’t take away from the story or characters. One movie which I actually enjoy, that does this both right and wrong is The Batman, and its commentary on privilege and classism.

@@rubbadubbs3242 there's a problem with this dichotomy. I'm not sure if you see it, but blaming the message on poor filmcraft is kinda foolish in this situation.