please tell me more! I"m 61 been diagnosed at 17ish been told my depression likey started about 5yrs old several yrs and medications later im more depressed than ive ever been!Will be starting Spravada treatment next wk im excited scared looking forward to yet petrified it wont work!I really really need this to work!Id really love to hear your story!

It will come. Conservatives love the war on drugs and hate democracy and freedom.

THe problem is - it is the Ketamine INFUSIONS that work excellent. And it's near impossible for folks to get an intraveneous infusion at home for Ketamine. This kind of treatment that works best is done in a clinic or hospital setting because an infusion pump and monitoring of BP and such is needed. The oral compounded troches don't work anywhere near as good as an intravenous infusion.

@@dbsabo2 How do we know the troches don't work as well?

@@Robin-bk2lm if people are too stupid or evil to be trusted with self-ownership, they're too stupid or evil to be trusted with ownership of others via voting, and being in political office.

I got mine from an online store in an affordable price.

THIS!!!

Hit that fuckin nail squarely on the head

But he needs money for his new cadillac! Dont u understand?Gramps needs a new car!!1

Big Pharma lives for profiteering off of our misery. I don’t think wellness even enters into the equation. They want to keep us sick in order to keep the money train flowing in their direction. I’m just grateful that Medicare actually covers this treatment.

It's stupid expensive, I would never buy it off the street for safety and legality reasons, but why is it I could buy 6 doses for $50 but at most clinics it's at least $200 and usually more like $600 for each dose?

That’s a heavy dose. I’m surprised they were willing to go that high. I’m happy you feel better, God bless.

Did you experience the "tripping effects" they mention?

Wow I thought my 1mg/kg was a high low dose. R U still awake with that?

I do experience the dissociation and yes I’m fully awake the entire infusion.

@@beatrixkiddo3867 I did on 1mg/kg. I thought this would be the more enjoyable part but it wasn’t for me.

Amazing ❤❤

It will come once the data support it. It's needed. In the meantime you can do it yourself at home with street powder. 1. Test your drugs. 2. Get info from risk reduction websites. 3. Enjoy.

Psychiatrist just sent my referral in, goin* to cost me $5000 for 6 treatments in Toronto. Fingers crossed, anything is better than living life in misery.

BlueShield CA is beginning to cover part of the treatment. On their individual plan (Covered California) or their employer plan.

@@ttrth424 you tried TMS I assume

Try nue. They send tablets rather than infusions to your house. It's about 150 a dose rather than the 500 your paying for an infusion

I bought mine from this store online it really worked out well..

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I assume they need studies and data before it will fall under normal health care coverage. Clinics are available now in North America. Many people find it worth a few thousand dollars to get relief from depression and suicidal ideation instead of waiting

@@Robin-bk2lm You are incorrect in your above suggestion. According to the National Institutes of Health database on PubMed, there are over 258 Randomized Controlled clinical trials listed with the title of "ketamine" and "Depression" in their database. So there is much clinical trial data to show these treatments are effective. Safety is also not an issue, since the FDA approved Ketamine at much higher doses than used to treat MDD, way back in 1970. "Off Label" does not mean that insurance companies do not pay for infusions. Many do, and to suggest otherwise is mis-information. What is needed is a national "Truth in Advertising" law that bans any of the specialty ketamine clinics that treat only mental health issues, to stop pedaling mis information that insurance companies do not cover "off lable" treatments. They do. What the clinics need to start doing - is tell the truth and instead inform clients that the CLINIC does not accept insurance - NOT that insurance will not cover the infusions. The ONLY WAY to find out if an insurance company will pay for the infusions, is for an MD to SUBMIT THE BILLING to the paitents insurance company, and see if the insurance company pays for it. It's the only way. The problem is - ketamine clinics that specialize in this business outright lie to potential and existing clients and suggest that insurance companies do not cover these treatments - for depression. The specialty clinics do this, because the specialty ketamine clinics that treat mental health issues want the cold hard cash, and they do not want to file insurance claims because insurance companies generally will not pay the higher fees that many of the specialty clinics charge which is often double or triple of what insurance companies are willing to pay for the treatments. This is because ketamine is extremely cheap - my hospital only pays about $28.00 per 100 mg vial of Ketamine. The majority of the cost is for the infusion service itself which many clinics are charging up to 800 dollars per infusion or more. My insurance company on the other hand only will pay for about 300 bucks per infusion. Which is why the clinics don’t take insurance - they want to charge a LOT more.

I believe it is FDA approved now

Esketamine is fda approved and all medicaid programs cover it. Is also available for free in many clinics

@@gretchenbell9340 So why did not Yale also go for FDA Approval for Ketamine INFUSIONS? YALE gets both Federal and state taxpayer money right? Or are they 100% privately funded?

I agree, it’s terribly inconvenient and expensive. There are psychedelic telemedicine companies like Mindbloom emerging that can help with cost and convenience. You take ketamine lozenges at home and it’s much cheaper than in-office IV infusions. You could do it in the evening after work rather than having to take the day off to go into the doctor’s office. It’s still not as cheap as it should be, but I think it’s a step in the right direction.

It took a lot of planning and support from people around me including my employer to be able to get the treatment. You have to have a driver, the clinic is not nearby, 2-3 days off work on weekdays and the $$$. My initial 6 treatments cost 3,000 out of pocket. I had to finance this treatment, I have not started yet but I really hope it helps me.

Any update?

Oh I see your videos... I'll check

What format and dose did you try?

I had the opposite effect. It was boring like being drunk and not being able to walk and made me really aggressive the following days :/ I hope it works for you!

@@yuyukawa9104 Do you feel that had to do with the dosage and method? I am taking lowdose oral. It doesn't even make me dizzy. Individual effectiveness, of course, is probably very variable.

Just curious, did you experience the "tripping effects" they mention?

@@beatrixkiddo3867 Imagine being abducted by aliens... It's very intense , didn't know if i existed. $450 per treatment

Me too. Plus the infusion is fun!

@@beatrixkiddo3867 Yes.

bruhhhhhhh i need it so bad

Get some black market k powder, test it, learn how much to use (start at 1mg/kg of weight of powder by nose), get some relief. Learn more. Enjoy. Use it as med and not to get high.

Same, I also didn't respond in hours. I usually don't feel better until day 2 post infusion.

That could be because they are not increasing your dose enough

How often do you do infusions?

Every 6 to 8 weeks It really does work! It is extremely fun.

@@anghan435 every 6 to 8 weeks

I second that! One year of infusions for me. After my start up of 8 infusions over 4 weeks, I got it down to one infusion every 3 or 4 weeks. I can go longer but I have to really watch my diet and self care if I want to stretch it out past that.

I bet you remember your very first infusion! I do! Better than sex (almost) :)

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@Sabrinacarpenter-xy7nz are you hawking mindbending drugs you naughty girl !?

omg Which insurance company!? How did you get it approved? ps. Great news :)

@@RobinHerzig blue cross blue shield! the clinic told me they only take PPO insurance which i was lucky enough to have. Had to also prove to the insurance company i’ve tried 3 different meds from at least 2 different classes. i’ve been prescribed all types of medications since i was 15 so that was easy

@@tjjones33 Wow that's really good news!! Just knowing that kinda made my depression lift - thanx

MINE TOO! Congrats!

@@tjjones33 That is exactly how I got started - 3 meds in two years. None worked, now I'm taking the infusions.

Did you experience anything during your sessions?

Are you still with us?

CHeck out the pain clinics or infusion clinics in TN. There is no requirement that these infusions must be given by only clinics that provide them for mental health purposes. Any infusion clinic can do these infusions. As a matter of fact, some cancer infusion clinics in hospitals will also do them for mental health issues. You just have to call around and do your homework and don't depend only on your PCP to set you up. It took me several months of phone calls and visiting clinics to find help.

I know there are good clinics in Nashville, best of luck

Google. They are everywhere in the US.

I think Huntsville AL has a psychedelics clinic they may be allowed to do ketamine too

They got them in Birmingham AL

Bought mine from a drugstore online

CHeck Trip_Pharmacist

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Then find an anesthesiologist that will provide the service. There is no law that states that only Psychiatrists can set up patients or put in an order for ketamine infusions. Actually - most of the docs that supervise these infusions are MD anesthesiologists - and have the training and skills to do them, unlike Psychiatrists. Even an general practitioner MD can do them.

@@dbsabo2 maybe in the states, but not here in Europe. Laws are verry tight here about medication/drugs.

agreed!

I tried the Troche's. They are OK but no where near as good as the infusions. Nothing can compare to taking the drug via infusion.

@@dbsabo2 can you take this medication full time for anxiety/depression

​@@32toffeeman I am assuming you are asking if you can take Ketamine in a pill once or twice a day? If that is your question (I say this as a paitent not a doc - I'm not a doc) - The infusions - they are done in a doc’s office. The troche's (lozenges) yes, I took them for one month - two 50 mg lozenges a day. The problem with that though, you need nearly three times as much ketamine in lozenges, than you do with the infusions, to approach the same effectiveness. Even with that, they are no where near as good as the infusions...at least that was my experience comparing the two, but you might experience something different. The infusions are far better because the drug was designed to be administered by IV. The thing I don't like about taking lozenges internally, they made me queasy, and drowsy for much longer. With the infusions, I am pretty much good to go after about 15-30 minutes post infusion, and they don't mess up my whole day. With the lozenges, they take a lot longer to get into your system, and to get out. Actually the lozenges felt like a different drug compared to infusions - they act differently - at least for me. And the good thing about the infusions, once you do a startup - some people can go for several weeks between infusions before they need to come back for another - when the symptoms re appear. That’s how you know when you need another infusion - when the symptoms come back. For me right now, my sweet spot is about one infusion every 2 weeks, depending on my lifestyle for that month. If I eat better, get some exercise and keep busy, I can go longer. The longest I ever went between infusions was 10 weeks - that was when I took them on start up - 8 infusions over a four week period. I felt after about 6 or 7 weeks after my start up protocol, I felt a need to come back in. The only way you can really find out what works for you is to try them both. Or maybe the Esketamine spray - but that is done in docs office too.

For those of us who cannot afford the expense of ketamine infusions, there is no other choice than to try Esketamine.

For me, Ketamine has no sexual side effects, and so far I have had 45 infusions in the past two years. And I sleep great - especially the evening after my most recent infusion!

I hear you and have a similar story (60+yom). Black market ketamine helped but be careful you use it as medicine and not to get high. I've heard many similar stories where it helped.

@@Robin-bk2lm If you had read my previous - I am talking about MEDICALLY SUPERVISED - by an MD - in a hospital - Ketamine infusions to treat mdd. NOT black market oral meds which is NOT the same thing. Not even close. To compare the two shows your ignorance on the subject.

Hope you get help my man

@@dbsabo2 Unsupervised and ‘black market’ source is VERY risky but may be an act of desperation rather than ignorance.

Shop around, You must be dealing with money hungry doctors who don’t care if you ever get well or get treatment

My insurnace company also pays for Esketamine. I prefer the infusions though.

how did it go?

@@sirlor317 im 8 sessions in, this was my last week doing 2x a week. Drop to 1x next week. Its working great I feel empowered and confident enough to try and change things for myself. Depression fades but the anxiety sticks around unless I'm actively doing something to work towards bettering myself.

how was your experience with ketamine..was it helpful..has it any side effects.please let me know..i am struggling with depression for four years..how long it takes to cure depression

@@kellanaldous7092 how was your experience with ketamine..was it helpful..has it any side effects.please let me know..i am struggling with depression for four years..how long it takes to cure depression

@@ahmedfraz8324 i began to feel better after my 2nd session, but the way it works is like a rollercoaster where you feel better then you might feel worse for a few days but as you go, it starts to work longer and the low points stop being so low. I've had 9 or 10 sessions so far, and I feel a lot better, the lows aren't bad at all anymore and they happen less and less. It has radically changed my outlook on life to where I feel more peace and i feel more capable and confident that i can work on improving myself and my life.

Mindbloom

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Curious to know how you are doing at this point?

@@David-vn2id I’m doing good:)

So what? And?