The 2011 version is what a remaster should sound like. Minimal changes from the original but a slightly cleaner and more powerful sound. I still prefer the original 1986 version though but thats just my personal preference. Interestingly, Wake Up Dead actually sounds better with the 2004 remaster though.
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
well said
@tojorozombie2 жыл бұрын
Agreed…and agreed!!🤘
@growlanser56008 ай бұрын
There's been lots of remasters and reissues of the OG mix. Mix =/= mastering. EVERY release/reissue sounds different. Even across different regions. The Japanese original release for example sounds different to the original US release. The mix is the root of the sound, the mastering is its execution.
@michaelgrahamwongacutemadness8 ай бұрын
People say the 2011 one is so bad it’s obviously closer to the original than the energy lost 2004s for all of them
@growlanser56007 ай бұрын
@@michaelgrahamwongacutemadness The Hi-Res version is decent, but I still prefer the original, specially the original '86 vinyl pressing.
@NimaBlaydz4 жыл бұрын
That the 2011 one had to be done shows what a disaster the 2004 one where...
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
well, that might be true, but I think even if they made the perfect sonic version of these, you STILL are going to here new ones come out again and again..
@flippy70354 жыл бұрын
how about Rust in Peace though?
@thrashislife26544 жыл бұрын
i actually like the 2004 remaster for peace sells but the so far so good so what remasters are disgusting
@NimaBlaydz4 жыл бұрын
@@thrashislife2654 Yeah, the "de-80'sficiation" of a track like "Set the World Afire" or "Mary Jane" just make it sound thin.
@Assimilator7024 жыл бұрын
Helm of the Anti-lemon I’ve been listening to the masters dome for the 24/96 versions and I don’t hear anything that reaches out in the presence region like those 2004 versions. I believe the Hi Rez version are taken from the 2011 or possible they were done in (2016???) when the 24/96 albums were released.
@PinkFloydBootlegs3 жыл бұрын
The way they remixed the drums in the 2011 remaster was incredible imo. The artificial "cabin" reverb is chef kiss perfect.
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
ah, but the 2011 wasn't remixed, only remastered AFAIK. still interesting observation, thanks for watching!
@bjrnsjohnsen1278 Жыл бұрын
Wake Up Dead 2004 is fantastic! I never thought the 2004 would beat anything..
@metal_helm Жыл бұрын
It does sound good doesn't it?
@ericmelvin10Ай бұрын
Really? I found a disgusting distorted/clipping noise in the guitars... Maybe my headphones....
@DenSvartaStjarnan4 жыл бұрын
The bass tone in the 2004 version is so harsh and thin. It ruins the intro to Peace Sells. I can't hear the difference between the original and 2011, which I would say is a good thing.
@sugaryhull96884 жыл бұрын
@EramSemperRecta What does that last bit have to do with the remaster? 😂
@mr.sausage77163 жыл бұрын
@EramSemperRecta Who the fuck is talking about politics right now? Change your shit because everyone knows you're trying to start an argument for no discernable reason. If I wanted to talk about politics I'd go somewhere that's MEANT for talking about politics, dumbass.
@morkeherrer20245 жыл бұрын
Original is the best,but I like also the 2011 remastering
@LRS9054 жыл бұрын
Then shove 2011 up yours.
@martillometalinc.3053 жыл бұрын
Sure enough, because the 2011 one seems to be the remaster of the 1986 original.
@Odie500002 жыл бұрын
@@duncanohoge Listen to the solo at the beginning of Devil's Island on the 2011 one. Lots of static and clipping. It appears again at the 3:00 mark on the Conjuring. Also appears at the beginning of Peace Sells after the solo and all of the instruments come in together. More static and clipping. It's all over the 2011 remaster unfortunately. Which sucks because the bass and kick drum being louder is nice.
@dannypqliar87634 жыл бұрын
I like 2011 best, it saw a lot of heft added, had greater resolution. That being said, I was VERY surprised by how Wake Up Dead actually *benefited* from the 2004 treatment. Using stereo separation on the guitars relaxed and widened things a lot, despite the 2004 remixes for the most part being quite horrible... especially with those inserted snares.
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
thanks for responding!
@dannypqliar87634 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing what no one else would. It was really important to hear these albums side by side, and you scratched that itch.
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
@@dannypqliar8763 glad you benefited from it. I have no dog in this fight, so I don't care what sound better, the originals or the remasters. As long as it opens up people's ears, I'm happy.
@TwistedHelix5 жыл бұрын
I could guess the answer before listening. 1986 best, then 2011, then 2004. They shouldn't mess with a classic
@metal_helm5 жыл бұрын
out of all of these videos you haven' t liked one non-original have you?
@smithe355 жыл бұрын
Man, that 2004 version is bad
@metal_helm5 жыл бұрын
@@smithe35 LOL
@DenSvartaStjarnan4 жыл бұрын
The 2011 one is pretty much identical.
@bretmorris8304 жыл бұрын
Wake up Dead is the only one that I prefer the 2004 version
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
yeah they sound different don't they? i like your avatar btw
@bretmorris8304 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm Thanks, my favorite Goosebumps character.
@majesticpbjcat77073 жыл бұрын
I thought the only clip that the 2004 version sounded good with was the second Black Friday comparison. Sounded more powerful. All the other 2004 examples were pretty bad.
@IdontKnow-jt2oz3 жыл бұрын
Same
@jaredlesperance68744 жыл бұрын
2011 remaster because it's the original recording, just dusted off a bit and a little more powerful sounding. 2004 re mix is the worst, Dave completely changed how the drums sound.
@zaredluna24563 жыл бұрын
@@Imperial0rb Im just now getting into megadeth and I hate how on spotify its only the 2004 remaster
@ChrisWMF3 жыл бұрын
I didn't like how they cleaned up the bass distortion on the 04 version but also I think it was a good idea to turn the bass up to 11.
@aarraa96713 жыл бұрын
There's 2011 versions of some of the peace sells songs in warheads on foreheads album and also randy burns mix is very good IMO which is in the peace sells album.
@pig-serpent8302 жыл бұрын
I actually kind of like the 2004 remix. It does a nice job of compressing the song and making everything louder without overdoing the song and making it sound flat and emotionless. It definitely has a lot of issues, a lot of the character of the guitar and bass tones have been stripped out making the bass less crunchy and the guitar sound far more generic, but I could see myself playing the 2004 one at a party over the other two. For normal listening purposes, still gotta go with the og. The 2011 sounds just a tiny bit flatter to me, but I wouldn't be upset with it.
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
well said! and if you know of any party's where MD is played make sure to invite me
@michaelgrahamwongacutemadness8 ай бұрын
The new drums are the flattest sounding thing ever total loss of emotion and dynamics
@retrocloud7604 жыл бұрын
1986 sounds the best to me generally speaking. The 2004 versions suck with headphones.
@theloneranger27672 жыл бұрын
1986: Has a very spacious sound. The production on the original fills up the entire room. All the instruments have more depth and are sonically pleasing on this version. The guitars, the bass, and the drums are all present in the mix and don’t sound muffled at all. 2004 remix: Honestly, this is one of the better remixes out of all the 2004 remixes. The drums aren’t muffled, the guitars sound much cleaner, and the bass is louder. I also hear certain sections of double bass pedals that I couldn’t hear quite as well on the original. The problem is this version still suffers from compression and is too bass heavy which buries the guitars in the mix. Certain songs like Wake Up Dead, I Ain’t Superstitious, and Bad Omen sound pretty clean on here, but then you have some awful remixes on songs like The Conjuring and Peace Sells. 2011: The original mix remastered, but it is a downgrade from the original in my opinion. Sure, the guitars sound cleaner, but the bass has been turned down and the drums sound more muffled in this mix due to compression. This remaster was unnecessary. The original already had fantastic production and is their best sounding album from the ‘80s. Here’s how I rank each version #1: 1986 #2: 2004 #3: 2011 I know. It’s weird that I put the remix over the 2011 remaster. The main reason why is that I like some of the remixed songs on the 2004 version. The 2011 sounds squashed in comparison to the original, which is why I decided to put it in last place.
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
yeah that is interesing, since most people think that the 2011 remaster sounds pretty close to the original!
@theloneranger27672 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm The 2011 remaster for me just doesn’t have the same punch the original since this remaster is more compressed. I’m a sucker for hearing the depth and thickness of bass, which is why I prefer the sound of the bass in the original KIMB vs the Final Kill. This remaster is a bit too polished for me. The channel separation on the original sounds a bit better to me as well despite being a little quieter than the 2011 remaster. Honestly, the 2004 remix would be great if it wasn’t too compressed, had more mids, and turned the bass down just a little bit. It has a cleaner, modern sound compared to the original and 2011 remaster. In the original production, I know Dave used a B.C. Rich, but I think he used an ESP in the 2004 remix, so it does sound different to me tone wise compared to the B.C. Rich. I’m pretty sure he used an ESP in all of the 2004 remixes. He left Jackson and joined ESP for a very short time before signing with Dean around 2007.
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
@@theloneranger2767 are you a bass player? because i usually pay attention to the guitar tone like you do to the bass (^_^). I really can't stand the way engineers dealt with bass in metal pre-87 or so. It's really woolly and flatuent. So I will take a more "modern' sound when it comes to bass anyday.
@theloneranger27672 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm I’m not a bass player. I’m actually trying to practice guitar, but the bass guitar is one of the things that catches my attention the most just because I like how well it can contribute to the heaviness and how it blends together with the electric guitars. Random fact: There was one thing I learned about today is that they put up the original Rust in Peace album on Spotify. Someone has said that fans were so excited that Holy Wars already has 3 million streams. I’m hoping they upload the rest of the originals digitally. The last biggest thing I want the most is a Final Kill remix of SFSGSW. Fingers crossed that hopefully that will happen. 🤞🏻
@flippy70354 жыл бұрын
YES! FINALLY! I think i like the 1986 version the best here. Probably because of that MASSIVE sounding snare. Which is strange to me because i remember it sounding a bit weaker. Kinda more like the 2011 version. But the 2011 version is pretty good as well, don't get me wrong.
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
thanks for your input
@flippy70353 жыл бұрын
I think I figured out why the version of Peace Sells I listened to sounded weaker. I listened to it on Apple Music and I believe what they did was that they took the 2011 remaster, just made it quieter and listed it as the original version (which it's not, it comes with the alternate mixes). The thing that made me notice it might've been a different mix is the ending of wake up death. The original has Dave's vocals harmonized while the 2011 version doesn't.
@metalliclark864 жыл бұрын
for some reason 2004 sounds way worse than it actually is lol but still, 2011 is my choice. as a drummer, I have a hard time trying to tell what is what in the original record (even with my 8hz-40khz headset) because it sounds too muddy specially the bass drums and cymbals, dave clearly is overcompensating here with all these remasters, he's admited he spent the production money on cocaine and booze back then. 2011 gets the job done for me, it sounds crisp yet it keeps the staple 80s fat snares and such, compromised had to be made but he nailed it. loving your channel, dude. stay safe and have a great one!
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
well thought-out response! and you stay safe too! thanks
@the_releaser3 жыл бұрын
You know the old saying 2020 vision? Or "hindsight is always 2020. But looking back it's still a bit fuzzy" Well guess what. The origin of 2020 has nothing to do with vision. In reality it's to describe the limits of human hearing... from 20 Hz to 20khz and even then it's not strictly accurate either because most people can't hear below 40hz or above 17khz so what good is anything up to 40khz. Even dogs can't hear anything above 26khz. My "sound advice" (get it? Sound advice) to anyone buying speakers or headphones is...don't get ripped off with gimmicks and pay silly money. Something expensive like a $400 beats headphones does not mean good quality sound. It means you got ripped off. Look at the box when you are buying the products and look at the frequency response. If it says 20hz-20khz frequency response then that's the thing you want....even if it's a $19.99 special from Walmart.
@themadmattster96472 жыл бұрын
I like the fact that when Blind Guardian recently reissued their entire catalog, they included a bonus disc of the original mix with each reissue. That's class, pure and simple.
@fabianrubio84114 жыл бұрын
I love the ultra reverberant toms and the 80’s snare sound on the original mix. The 2004 mix ruined the classic drum sound
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
well said!
@necroticpoison4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I think the 2004 sounds the "best", but it really isn't true to the original feel and mix which is definitely the one that suits the theme of the album the most IMO. Sadly the original still isn't on Spotify and I haven't found any places that sell it near me so I guess I'll just have to get it online. I still think the 2004 has the higher fidelity and a more whole feeling audio-scape than the original and 2011, it just has more presence and dynamic variety to it. Not saying that that's necessarily the best thing for the album, but I first listened to the 2004 (and have so since) so the 2011(/original) has always sounded quite weird to me. However I think if you're going to go for the "original" sound, you may as well just go for the literal original album instead of the 2011. It'd be good to be able to compare all 3 while they're on vinyl, though, because of the lower compression levels/higher fidelity. (TL;DR): 2004
@UCdaEfIuqVZyKnjsCQ3 жыл бұрын
No bullshit, just neat comparison, wish youtube had more videos like that.
@christianr12403 жыл бұрын
I probably like the 2011 the best. Kept the vintage sound but wrapped with a modern punch. 2004 is really rough on Black Friday and the title track, but I actually like the 2004 wake up dead version better because the drums didn't have obnoxious reverb on them. But the guitars on the 2004 master sound compressed.
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
it's hard to decide isn't it. what you said reflects what many others have said, espeically about wake up dead. thanks for watching
@foerock90502 жыл бұрын
I just wanted to comment to thank you for these videos. I'm on a mobile device and you made the comparisons much simpler and more convenient for me.
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! if you can, hook it up to some ear buds/headphones. It will change what you think about the versions. Subscribe if you want to see more, or just come back and watch as much as you want!
@cristianquiros77043 жыл бұрын
Original is good but the remix and remastered of 04 are killerrrrrr!!! I do really like it!!!
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
any reason why?
@mrt77wv3 жыл бұрын
I always go for the original mastering. The 2011 is a vast improvement on 2004 (which sounded like a totally different album due to the remixing), but still sounds too compressed. I prefer quieter mastering. You can always turn it up as loud as you want.
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
well said!
@vincenzoaureo60605 жыл бұрын
Another great video. You’re the best!
@metal_helm5 жыл бұрын
thank you but no, if I had CREATED this music, then I would be the best (^_^)
The 2004 remaster of I ain’t superstitious is probably my favorite cus chris polands solos are louder then the other 2 versions
@metal_helm2 ай бұрын
Interesting observation!!
@MastaFrank012 ай бұрын
I still prefer the original even though it is annoying how quiet it is in my playlist compared to other songs and bands. I think a little less treble or maybe some clean up on the guitars so they don't sound so washed was all that was needed. I don't really like the 2011 one because there are a few points were they compressed it too hard and it distorts the tracks. The Conjuring is one example of this. It didn't need that much of a decibel boost. A little less goes a long way sometimes.
@metal_helm2 ай бұрын
well said!
@maxmatson15783 жыл бұрын
Mad props👌 for using "Black Friday" in the video, my favorite Megadeth song. As for comparisons, I don't know the 2011 remaster at the very end Of Black Friday sounds a little cocked wah sound. Like the galloping chug on the rhythm guitar riffs sounds a little Weird EQ wise?🎸🎧💫💀
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
glad you approve!
@PooNinja5 жыл бұрын
86 overall winner 🤘🏽
@metal_helm5 жыл бұрын
that seems to be unanimous decision so far
@TheDavidish11 ай бұрын
In my opinion even though the 2004 one is the most different sound, it’s my favorite because of how…”smooth”? It sounds. The rest kind of sound like they’re being played in an echoey garage, to me.
@metal_helm11 ай бұрын
that's a valid reason. did you grow up with the 2004?
@TheDavidish11 ай бұрын
@@metal_helm No, I had the original CD from 86
@metal_helm11 ай бұрын
@@TheDavidish fair enough! I get a lot of people saying they like the 2004 when they've grown up with it, but I find it refreshing that you like that one even though many people tend to trash it. If you think you might like this kind of content, please consider subscribing, I have a bunch of other videos like this! thanks for watching
@needsmoreclipping2 жыл бұрын
The only difference between the 86 and 2011 is volume. Anyone saying otherwise is hearing a placebo effect. I'd put $ down on blind tests with them volume matched.
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
you might be right there. it's hard to tell without them being right next to each other. in the future i'm going ot have to re-do this one
@droksbeel3 жыл бұрын
Wow the 2004 on this album is quite favorable? I actually like all three mixes especially 2004 wake up dead, that sounds amazing.
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
yeah, you're not the only one, some others were saying the same thing.
@droksbeel3 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm yeah, i was critical on the 2004 countdown remix, but i changed my mind on the peace sells album, in this one the 2004 gives a certain alternative sound. 2004 wake up dead sounds straight EVIL. As someone who enjoys the megadeth catalogue i give credit to the 2004 remaster especially beacause i also likes 2004 peace sells, it has such a different tone for the bass.
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
@@droksbeel yup! it shows you are listening with your ears objectively which is great for me personally to hear!
@droksbeel3 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm you have really helped me on deciding which remasters to buy and which not to buy. I love the channel.
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
@@droksbeel that means a lot to me and that was my purpose. I can't promise, but if there is something you'd like to see in the future, let me know, thanks
@glts81464 жыл бұрын
Think I’m the only one who likes the 2004 version lmao. It was the first I heard so I’m just most used to it 🤷🏻♂️ I do really like the snare reverb from the original and 2011 tho
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
never apologize for an unpopular opinion. True, 2004 is not a favor here, but some say that it sounds good on Wake up Dead. I think Sean Killian is the best vocalist on the planet, but I'm probably the only one. 😀
@glts81464 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm Fair enough, Cheers!
@xjackman2 жыл бұрын
in the 2004 version i just noticed there was a drum stick sound next to the initial bass solo 😂
@Yankee-_-DOODLE234 жыл бұрын
The original and 2011 remaster win but for wake up dead its the 2004 remaster
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
I know, they sound different depending on the song right? btw, love your avatar
@Yankee-_-DOODLE234 жыл бұрын
Helm of the Anti-lemon you’re an office fan aren’t you
@Yankee-_-DOODLE234 жыл бұрын
Helm of the Anti-lemon i have lots of nostalgia to the 2004 version because that version of the album was the first I heard
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
@@Yankee-_-DOODLE23 actually no, I just think Steve Carell is funny
@Yankee-_-DOODLE234 жыл бұрын
Helm of the Anti-lemon he is an amazing actor
@fourseasons41054 жыл бұрын
2004 by far
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
any reason why?
@fourseasons41054 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm It's especially the drums that sound much better, it has more room feeling Yet not too much reverb to the point when it gets annoying I like the bass sounding a bit thinner Plus everything is a bit louder and upfront
@Sabbathfaax4 жыл бұрын
2004 honestly wasn't as bad as I remember on some songs.
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
so whcih version do you prefer?
@Sabbathfaax4 жыл бұрын
Still Original but TBH despite this being my fav thrash album free neither of the productions are very good
@THRASHMETALFUNRIFFS5 жыл бұрын
Dang man, you got me! I'm torn... my first thoughts were 2011 was closest to the original (hardly changed really except some extra reverb on the snare I think), and was turned off by 2004 but then some of those riffs started getting into it and I wanted it to keep playing and see how the solo's and stuff would turn out. It is definitely thicker and warmer overall. It's like getting a historically bad sounding album remixed better, this is one that can use it... like the added bass remixes of And Justice for All or if Slayer Show No Mercy or Christ Illusion were replayed today with Repentless tone I would listen and like that...
@metal_helm5 жыл бұрын
great response, mainly because it reflect exactly what I was thinking (^_^). The difficult part about doing a video like this is the middle version, the remix is so different from the 1st and 3rd, it's hard to compare just the 1st and 3rd because they are not right next to each other. You are right though, the remix is a lot thicker and warmer, but at many points in the album, that snare practically disappears from the mix which is alarming.
@zurdoo03 жыл бұрын
Damm Wake Up Dead in 2004 sounds like jazz but more heavy and with distortion
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
well said. so which do you like the best?
@zurdoo03 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm 2004 because it sounds less dirty and so much clean
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
@@zurdoo0 well said
@DudokX3 жыл бұрын
wow I actually like the 2004 Wake up dead the best and it sounds really good but a lot of the other 2004 tracks sound really meh. Shame the remix didn't work on other tracks as well.
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
yeah, there are many people who argree with you here. what do you like about tthe 2004 wake up dead?
@thrashislife26543 жыл бұрын
The 2004 remaster is the worst that ever happened to megadeth, the original Albums not beeing on spotify is one of the main reason i switched to physical records only
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
I hear that! Luckily my wife still has all of the originals so I never have to worry about that. Are the originals expensive?
@super_z6353 Жыл бұрын
Back for another comment. I wanted to share the versions that I personally prefer KIMB - 2018 Peace Sells - 25th Anni SFSGSW - 2004 Rust - MFiT Version (perfect) Countdown - Original Youthanasia - Original Cryptic Writings - Original It's about Volume vs Quality for me This is what I find to be optimal and doesn't annoy me The MFiT version of Rust in Peace is the best version for me, because its the ORIGINAL MIX, but a bit louder, with some improvements. No audible clipping either. It's amazing.
@metal_helm Жыл бұрын
hold on, what is the mfit version??? I gotta search for that
@super_z6353 Жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm Master for Itunes
@metal_helm Жыл бұрын
@@super_z6353 do you know if they are lossless?
@super_z6353 Жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm they are .M4A files, which contains AAC Audio, or ALAC audio as well. AAC isnt exactly lossless... But it is much less lossy than MP3, and can achieve better sound quality than MP3 320 at lower bitrates. Apple also uses ALAC (Apple Lossless Audio Codec). Lossless Audio was added in June 2021. I believe you can choose which one you want to download if you purchase audio from them. So yes, that is an option Here is a link to some info en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lossless_Audio_Codec There are some albums on there, like Death Magnetic, that are "MFiT" masters. They are indicated mainly by a later copyright date than the album's original release date, or some additional info (at the bottom of the page, under the play list) Rust in Peace is an example. There is a "remaster" of it on apple music. It isn't the 2004 version. It's the 2016 version. I was shocked to hear the original mix remastered in such a way. music.apple.com/us/album/rust-in-peace-remastered/1440848736 Death Magnetic as well Death Magnetic was released on Warner Bros records, but the Apple music version says "Blackened Records". It's a different mix, and it's a great mix. I hope this info helps you. There should be some great content for future videos, everyone loves a good comparison.
@metal_helm Жыл бұрын
@@super_z6353 thanks, i'll have to check this out later. I appreciate the links and info, it will help minimize my time if I decide to start using MFIT in my videos. I'm already spending 30+ hours a week on this channel, so you helped me, thanks
@michaelgrahamwongacutemadness8 ай бұрын
i never liked how the drum part changed in the newer wake up dead I know they played it live like that which is fine it’s kinda hard to choke a crash with one hand while playing the hi hat and snare maybe it was an overdub
@metal_helm8 ай бұрын
I never recognized that! good ears
@michaelgrahamwongacutemadness8 ай бұрын
@@metal_helm actually I read some other comments on the remixed isolated drums they talked about effects sounds like a reversed snare roll is involved too honestly sounds more like the original and regular remaster by itself
@tacticalburger375 Жыл бұрын
2011 is my fav for sure
@metal_helm Жыл бұрын
why do you like that one best?
@axemansjazz66704 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the original version from '86 is the best when listening to vinyl. The 2011 version is best for streaming or CD. The 2004 version doesn't exist in my world. Never happened.
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
LOL
@joemagin7823 жыл бұрын
Just look how hilarious flat the peaks on the 04 version are
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
hehehe
@josephalvarez25403 жыл бұрын
is it me or 1986 and 2011 are exactly sound the same?
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
yeah they do sound really close for sure, and it's hard to compare because they are not in succession.
@moronoke4 жыл бұрын
the wake up dead solo at the 1984 version sounds more "roomy", the other ones more "plate", someone agrees?
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
Yes, Martin I agree too!
@majesticpbjcat77073 жыл бұрын
Oh man, I missed the 1984 version 🤔
@DoomHydra3 жыл бұрын
If you look at the waveform, the 2004 looks like a brick and the 1984 looks like a dynamic track. There's room for the solo to breathe in the 1984 one, because there isn't excessive compression
@ericmelvin10Ай бұрын
2004 is pure s#1T, 2011 is crispier but Still prefer the "organic" touch of the original.
@metal_helmАй бұрын
Please don't hold back on how you truly feel about the 2004 😂 you're definitely not alone
@ArtisticAutisticandAiling2 жыл бұрын
Remember people, like I'll say again. Sound Replacer on ProTools. Except in this case for all the 2004 Re-Recorded and Re-Mastered albums Dave Mustaine did after (plausibly) learning it off of Chris Vrenna (Nine Inch Nails). and with using ProTools since the 90s. He, Trent with Charlie all received the Beta of ProTools from Digidesign to try on the Macintosh. The irony of how it spawned at-home recording and don't forget too; Trent and Co. all would gather about to print the digital recordings to tape to be mixed and mastered. :D
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
what is sound replacer? i use Reaper so I never heard of it before...
@ArtisticAutisticandAiling2 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm It's what Chris Vrenna and Dave Mustaine used. I think that's what they used as well for Ozzy first two rerecorded albums. Yes Sound Replacer is a plug-in found on ProTools (which I'm saving to buy a perpetual licence). I use Ableton Live 10 but I have a great time with recording my Roland S-550, a 12-Bit Sampler that has a grainy sound to captured samples. Though I got to mod the hissy noise. :D 🐼🎨📼
@skeletorwins55673 жыл бұрын
This one for me is all over the place, crazy. The original mix for this album has its high’s and low’s but man Wake Up Dead and Good Mourning greatly benefit from the remix. It’s way more balanced, the reverb isn’t drenched on, and it actually breathes more than the original. But god does peace sells sound terrible, the snare is practically non existent in that song and the bass tone is all thin and hollow, and not fat like the original. Other than the Good Mourning / Black Friday and Wake Up Dead the ‘04 doesn’t really have much to offer. The 2011 I could really care less about, yes it is the original mix with clarity but I’d just get my hands on an original ‘86. I’d have to go with original for the most part.
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
yes, many people who don't like the remix, still like the remix of Wake up dead better than the original
@growlanser56008 ай бұрын
"With clarity" well, is more compressed and sounds horrible on lossless compared to the 80s vinyl pressing one I have. For the most part, remasters have always been a downgrade mastering wise compared to the 80s releases. There are some exceptions, but is rare.
@andreijurca55463 жыл бұрын
2004 is very clear sounding and i appreciate that but i like the rawness and reverb on the original
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
so if you had to pick, which one do you like better?
@andreijurca55463 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm the original
@Shpektrometer3 жыл бұрын
1986 for me i just has that raw and agrsivness of what they were all about back then
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
well said
@Shpektrometer3 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm as well the acoustik tone sonuds less digatal
@dbmdrums11052 жыл бұрын
The snare just looses it's punch in the 2004 versions 🤔🤔🤔. The reverse gate rocks in the 1986 version . I am definitely happy with 86 one 👍👍👍. The 2004 versions have a lot clarity. I am very impressed by the bass guitar sound 👍👍
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I imagine with someone with a name dbm drums would definitely pick up on that kind of stuff! 😆
@dbmdrums11052 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm Well I am watching a lot of audio engineering and music production videos thus the "nitty gritty" stuff if you will😅😅🙌
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
@@dbmdrums1105 I'[m going to be remixing alll of these classics and putting them up on this channel one day
@sadboi7537 Жыл бұрын
2004 all the way. Everything is crystal clear with the bass boosted immensely and mids are more polished. The OG is what we all knew for a very long time which is great, and 2011 sounds flat in some areas, so for me it’s 2004.
@metal_helm Жыл бұрын
well said!
@melonswater35152 жыл бұрын
While the 2004 sounds a lot better I like the 2011 best because it keeps the original sound and cleans up some parts here and there.
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
Will said! Yeah because of this particular video, I changed around how I position the different versions, and I did it for the newest Judas priest video just recently.
@klawhauserscarfacethegamer34712 жыл бұрын
I like the 2011 remix and remastered version
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
Why do you like that one best?
@hunterkiller200003 жыл бұрын
Peace sells best version is the original, wake up dead is 2004 and black Friday is 2011
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
that's interesting. what do you like about each over the others?
@carnivalclown86033 жыл бұрын
I don't understand what makes the 2004 remaster of this album terrible, I do like the original but I think the 2004 remaster improved on the original although there are some things on the original I do like, the original vocal tracks and I like the intro to the original peace sells vs the 2004 version, I don't really care for the 2011 remaster, it didn't really improve the original and I'd rather listen to the original than the 2011 remaster at least the 2004 remaster had a bit of flavor to it then the 2011 remaster, the 2004 remaster of peace sells but who's buying Is not perfect but it's the best of the three in my opinion.
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
great point. these videos are just for people to see which version they like the most, but to be honest, if you had any of these version only and started to listen to it, you'd get use to it and probably appreciate it.
@sequetrefetv3 жыл бұрын
remasters that if noticeable in great change, I really like that of Megadeth.
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
thanks for watching
@majesticpbjcat77073 жыл бұрын
I think the 2011 version just has a nice air to it. It's just slightly cleaned up a bit but I think it could've just been left alone at the end of the day. That 2004 remix was a travesty.
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
i know you're not the only who thinks like that! thanks for the insightful comment.
@niksmusic130710 ай бұрын
The 2004 remaster isn’t too bad but 2011 is what an album should sound like (If remastered) much prefer the original one though which I have on vinyl
@metal_helm10 ай бұрын
What do you not like about the 2004 remix?
@themadmattster96472 жыл бұрын
Noticed when bands are doing two different reissue periods (like Maiden or Megadeth), they kind of correct the mistakes of those earlier reissues and try to get closer to the original. Still, noone can forget how much of a disaster the Megadeth ones were. The 2011 one returns to much of the ambience of the original
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
well said!
@KyleDesharnaisConcerts3 жыл бұрын
The only reason I like the 2004 one is the bass intro. It makes it pop more
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
yeah , it does stand out more doesn't it
@kylebailey98133 жыл бұрын
Really cool
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
thank you sir!
@tun-tunninc.6492 Жыл бұрын
The 2011 version. Hands down.
@metal_helm Жыл бұрын
what do you like better about it?
@tun-tunninc.6492 Жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm it's clarity. It's not too muffled or obviously redone like the 04 remaster.
@metal_helm Жыл бұрын
@@tun-tunninc.6492 well said! if you're interested a gotta bunch of other videos just like this: kzfaq.info/sun/PLfvuVe9ZO8Dauj2APLG_vxkn-8giGwLDm
Oh wow this one is my least favorite out of the 2004 remasters. Dave, what did you do with the snare drum??? The original is still my favorite, but the 2011 is a close second. It's a bit more polished but I think I like the rawness from the original for this album
@DoomHydra4 жыл бұрын
As an added bonus, here's an alternative "Live from dave's bathroom" mix of peace sells kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hamZpN2Xz97QZYk.html
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
yes, that 2011 is pretty close to the original isn't it! others seem to like it also.
@AllOuttaBubblegum1233 жыл бұрын
@@DoomHydra Man! that sounds like the Concert Hall setting on Samsung music player LOL
@WhoisVinnie2 жыл бұрын
2004 sounds way different than the other 2. The bass somehow sounds heavier or something.
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
the power of a remix. so what do you prefer and why?
@WhoisVinnie2 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm I'm not really sure
@tmasashi08015 жыл бұрын
1986年が一番良いです、他のはサウンドがクリアになっただけのようが気がして、軽く聞こえます。
@metal_helm5 жыл бұрын
いいコメントですね。ありがとうございます。
@thejpalbano Жыл бұрын
I had a feeling these remasters were really different. I like the originals.
@metal_helm Жыл бұрын
if you have time check these out. You are referring to the remix vs. original, but when it's just remasters they are far harder to tell apart: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mp51dbOI2JvRh2g.html
@Mirzuh3 жыл бұрын
2004 just sounds like a re recored
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure about this album, but I think that is partially true with the RIP album. btw, which one do you like best and why?
@shred693 жыл бұрын
Original all the way. The only re-release we need is that 5.1 surround they had at one point. And some damn good speakers 😆
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
good speakers always help! or a good pair of headphones.
@es-vd4ms3 жыл бұрын
え~っと、2004年remaster が良いかな!
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
他の日本人はどう思うかなぁ?大体のアメリカ人は2004年版嫌いです。 国の文化と一緒かなぁ?😁
@tiborosz18252 жыл бұрын
I always felt this album lecked bass drum power and the smare was too loud...but back then we just wanted cranking guitars and snarles and growls from Dave. Digging the 2011 version.
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
Here's a beefier version kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oNuTeNWGlpnWgpc.html
@tiborosz18252 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm are you the dude from the Wishbone Ash album Argus?
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
@@tiborosz1825 nope sorry I have no idea what that is
@Qwerty-ks8dn Жыл бұрын
2004 is the Def Leppard Castration version...
@metal_helm Жыл бұрын
Lol! You got to explain to me what that means!
@Qwerty-ks8dn Жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm It means the album was pussified i.e. made to sound softer. Def Leppard is simply a reference to cheesy pu**y rock. I could have said Cinderella or Poison instead. That 2004 version must have been Mustaine trolling us, or going back to his favorite drugs.
@metal_helm Жыл бұрын
@@Qwerty-ks8dn got it! I call it cock rock, but to each his own! ahhah. this album though, even in its original format, is nothing to be proud of
@Mrp00p3rs4 жыл бұрын
Why remaster sumthin that was great from the start....
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
because there is a slight chance you can make it even better? 😁
@Mrp00p3rs4 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm lol i mean not wrong but like this comparison here and the time it was produced in 1986 is there really a,need to remaster?
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
@@Mrp00p3rs yeah, maybe not this album. It's pretty balanced sounding. but there are other ones out there that I feel need a remix/remaster for sure.
@Mrp00p3rs4 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm oh yeah for sure. But this one specifically. Hell no nothin needs changed for peace sells.
@benmarley30864 жыл бұрын
Yes I think the 1916 version is good
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
1916?
@benmarley30864 жыл бұрын
Helm of the Anti-lemon 🤔🤔🤔
@joebob2311productions3 жыл бұрын
I dont see much difference between the original and the 2011 remaster but 2004 sounds like a different song altogether. It also sucks because thats the only version available on Spotify and for some reason "My Last Words" is greyed out and doesnt play at all.
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
yeah the original and 2011 are pretty close!!
@denyfixe10002 жыл бұрын
2004 IS THE BEST SO FAR, WOOOOOW!!!!
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
Why do you like that one best?
@marcogenovese13853 жыл бұрын
My favorite is the 1986 version, because I always love the 80s reverb on the snare drum. The 2011 version is good too, because is more near to the original sound. The 2004 version I hate it, for the title track is like: "Where's the fucking snare drum?"
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
very well said!
@hamachibeans44713 жыл бұрын
i don't think any of them sounded bad, that being said the 2004 one sounds very different
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
do you have a fav? and if so which one and why?
@anonmuss70353 жыл бұрын
good comparison.
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
thanks which one do you like best? and why/
@knowur10sand18s3 жыл бұрын
Hate that 2004 snare remix. Who was in charge of mixing there Lars?
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
haha, cmon now, it wasn't that bad was it?
@DonnieDaise3 жыл бұрын
I like 04 version tbh. Fatter bass is better
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
I think this is one of the few of the remixes that gets a little more support than the others. You are not alone.
@neosmith89333 жыл бұрын
2004 has got all the beef. I'll take it. My og cd sounds pretty good still
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
so you like the 2004 better?
@neosmith89333 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm I had my og disc a couple years before the 04 dropped. It wasn't until I heard that I was blown away by the album. I'd have to stick with it. I have to go through the series now, and jog my memories some more.
@neosmith89333 жыл бұрын
Back for more, and it's the same. On the hifi, the 04 explodes with presence and Dave Jr. I hear snare just fine, it's just surrounded by CRUSHING rhythm. Basshead.
@matthewcroy3492 Жыл бұрын
Poland sounds the best. F#ck yeah.
@Skeletonripper Жыл бұрын
I think 1986 the battery its kinda mute
@metal_helm Жыл бұрын
Mute?
@M477HI4SS Жыл бұрын
I prefer the 04 remastered version. Too bad the snare drum is too hidden at times, damn, did they delete it here? (0:27) The other versions are too loud, and the bass doesn't stand out compared to the 04' remaster.
@metal_helm Жыл бұрын
Well said, it's nice to hear someone that likes to remix better
@nickpappas66185 жыл бұрын
Originals are better. The guitars are down in the mix in the remixes. We guitar that is. In the last remix however, the rhythm guitar was higher which made it better than the original but only slightly on that track.
@MrChickenspit2 жыл бұрын
More megadeth comparisons! Please
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
Check my playlist. There's quite a few. Eventually, I will do them all, thanks for watching
@jareddavidmanifold3133 жыл бұрын
2004 and 2011 are the same remaster
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
no one is a remix and one is a remaster
@angel7305 Жыл бұрын
The 1986
@metal_helm Жыл бұрын
why do you like that one best?
@KyleDesharnaisConcerts3 жыл бұрын
I like the 2004 one better overall
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
cool. why is that?
@KyleDesharnaisConcerts3 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm the bass tone is so loud and you can hear it
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
@@KyleDesharnaisConcerts that's a good reason!
@edla20053 жыл бұрын
I think I like 2011 the best.
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
why is that?
@edla20053 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm to my ears just sounds fuller.
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
@@edla2005 that's a good reason!
@MaybeHarvey3 жыл бұрын
Personally I think they ruined the drums on good mourning Black Friday for both remasters like 2011 sounds better than 2004 but the original is still a lot better
@metal_helm2 жыл бұрын
I hear what you're saying
@chunguschungus Жыл бұрын
Originals are way better, 2011 is good too, I'd mostly heard only 2004 and will never listen to that version again. I never thought I really liked Megadeth but it could be cause I'd only heard them through such a terrible remaster I'll retry their albums with the originals. I wonder if other people are put off from otherwise good bands by bad remasters.
@metal_helm Жыл бұрын
definitely, I have heard some of my younger subs say that only the 2004 was available, and once they heard the original recordings, it gave them a more favorable impression of the band. don't know if you are a sub or not, but i got a bunch other of these types of videos: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mp51dbOI2JvRh2g.html
@giacomomeli89494 жыл бұрын
2011
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
any reason why you like it better than the other 2 versions?
@giacomomeli89494 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm The digital sound of 2011 seems to me more pronounced than in 1986 but perhaps you should have combined 1986 to 2011 and finally 2004 to make the difference feel better ... Regarding the sound of 2004 I understand that many do not like it because it is completely different from the original, but in my opinion unlike Killing is my business 2004 with Peace Sells a great job was done!
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
@@giacomomeli8949 thanks for the intelligent reply. I did think about combining the 86 with the 2011 because of the similarities but then I would be injecting my own opinion into this and I am trying to be as objective as possible. If I did this, then I my thinking for future videos might end up like: "well these 2 versions sound similar so I should re-arrange the order so people can hear a better comparison" but eventually someone will disagree with what sounds similar, so I think it is better to keep a consistent template of order of release. But I totally agree with you for this video.
@MaverickMustaine3 жыл бұрын
All 2004 remasters are horrendous
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
any reason why?
@MaverickMustaine3 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm the sound! Too long to explain here, look up the internet, it is explained.
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
@@MaverickMustaine I know why most people don't like it, I was just curious about your opinion.
@MaverickMustaine3 жыл бұрын
@@metal_helm all right, good question 😆, seriously, they don’t feel like remasters, they feel like instrument swaps. Everything is changed, remixed, snare sounds like cardboard. And all those add-ons, effects changed...the list is long. Just the other day, apple music played Vortex from the remasters, what the hell happened! CW is an example of another great sounding album turned to shit sound wise...etc
@metal_helm3 жыл бұрын
@@MaverickMustaine I forgot about that album! and that's my wife's fav MD album. I'll have to upload that in the near future... thanks for the well-though out response.
@iqm45744 жыл бұрын
I would really appreciate if u could continue comparing megadeth album versions it's really helpful I believe u stopped at cryptic writings?
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
don't worry. I will be doing ALL Megadeth albums eventually. They are my most popular videos.
@jurgenguntheswharthenhoffe59074 жыл бұрын
Original and 2004 are objectively better than 2011 version. 2011 remaster is audibly clipping and generally sounds really squashed; 2004 version is very loud too, but at least it doesn't clip, even though I understand why not everybody likes this remix. On HD650 with a solid headphone amp 2011 version becomes tiresome quickly.
@metal_helm4 жыл бұрын
objectively? that's a strong statement to make. But I like it, because I too have some strong feelings on some of these albums 👍