MELEE'S HALL OF FAME (ft. Cody Schwab)

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10 ай бұрын

I GOT ON Cody Schwab's stream during his subathon to discuss, "if the Melee community had a hypothetical HALL OF FAME, who would be on it?"
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outro: • Okami - The Tribe Of H... by sine skeller
streamed on sept. 15, 2023
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@Tophbbq 10 ай бұрын

FULL VOD: www.twitch.tv/videos/1936780281

@DigitaIJustice 10 ай бұрын

I miss this old school melee talk. This game has SO much history. Being a doc kid felt like I was late to the party and now even that’s ancient history

@poppinfresh1010 10 ай бұрын

I think druggedfox was also the person to finally convince the general player base that pure reaction tech chasing is viable and worthwhile.

@danielmango1806 10 ай бұрын

I love that you bring Typo up. He's been my best friend since college (2010) and rightly deserves the title as the guy who pioneered GOOD controllers. I happen to have been his play tester for many of his commissioned controllers, for Mango, N0ne, Swedish, Hugs, etc. So cool to see him destroy Home Run Contest now!

@andrewferguson6901 10 ай бұрын

If theres tech named after you, you're in. Bombsoldier suicide dair, amsah tech, wobbling, Johnny stock, my b, wombo combo, armada shine, etc

@andrewferguson6901 10 ай бұрын

Similarly, anyone who pushed a character farther than anyone before gets in. Kage amsa and jmook for sure earn it on that basis

@Pwrplus5 10 ай бұрын

my b is my favorite melee tech that would also qualify the legend John himself for the list

@Ruminations09 9 ай бұрын

@@Pwrplus5 Putting John on the list would actually be hilarious, omfg

@Ruminations09 9 ай бұрын

@@andrewferguson6901 I get what what you're saying about pioneering a character - aMSa and Axe are the two prime examples of players who are Hall of Fame contenders just for their character contributions alone even ignoring their competitive performance - but I feel like there is a line that needs to be drawn, tbh. And for me, Kage is *RIGHT* on that line. Like, EddieMexico and Abate aren't on the list despite their contributions with Luigi. Junebug is currently doing some wild shit with DK. But even if you pioneer a character and are the best at that specific character, there is only so far that gets you. You could can be the best Bowser in the world; discover brand new tech, and completely reinvent the way that Bowser is played. But at the end of the day, you're still playing *Bowser*. If you are unable to demonstrate that your innovations are actually competitive, then it only effects that one character, not the wider scene. Cody explained this when Kage was brought up: Kage did great with Ganon, but his tournament record was inconsistent as a result of his character choice. The difference between him and aMSa or Axe is that the two of them demonstrated that their characters - who were previously considered unviable at the competitive level - can not only compete, but actually win majors. Before aMSa and Axe came around, both Pikachu and Yoshi were considered worse than Ganon - hell Yoshi was literally considered a BOTTOM tier with the likes of Kirby and Bower until around 2010. Nowadays, however, both characters are solidly considered to be within the upper end of mid-tier/lower end of high-tier. Throughout pretty much Melee's entire span, Ganon has been considered a mid-tier. Yet the former low-tiers of Pikachu and Yoshi have won majors, and no Ganon has ever won a major. I genuinely think that if Kage had a single year where he finished top 20, that feat *combined* with his contributions to Ganon would be enough to cement him as a Hall of Famer. But his work with Ganon by itself isn't quite enough in my opinion.

@morganlak4337 2 ай бұрын

Obligatory "actually armada learned the armada shine from KJH", but its not like armada needs help getting on the list

@jsw0rd 10 ай бұрын

i love these videos but they make me sad i’m not the kid watching 2014 melee anymore

@TheEssentialHughJazz 10 ай бұрын

I think Ice definitely deserves a spot. I don't think you guys focused much on it, but he did quite well considering his location in a time before Slippi and even NTSC standardization. He, Armada, and Leffen were pretty much the faces of transatlantic Smash. Also, I think you guys missed Kzhu?

@TheEssentialHughJazz 10 ай бұрын

Great video, also! I really like the idea of a Melee HoF and would love to see it organized and set into motion. Just wanted to chip in.

@sameeyell2586 9 ай бұрын

Just think of the “ice wtf is dat movement” clip. What a legend

@Tmathh 10 ай бұрын

this game is so old there are entire eras that modern players dont know shit about thats wild to me

@andresemidey9679 10 ай бұрын

Falco isnt a character for another 3 years without bombsoldier, that's fox brain at work.

@ricardoludwig4787 10 ай бұрын

I think professor pro at least deserved a mention, ut otherwise I don't see any big omission

@parkerbutler5394 10 ай бұрын

I’m not gonna lie Pengboys was a massive melee lifeline for me. I couldn’t always watch tournaments live so Pengboys was the source of tournament highlights for me.

@ThePharphis 10 ай бұрын

Great compilation of streams in the slippi and pre-slippi era when it's just not feasible to watch it all. Lots of great things. Probably responsible for a good portion of N0ne's viewership successes

@FirePuff12 9 ай бұрын

I’m conflicted.. Pengboys stole so much content and screwed content creators as a result. But then there’s what you said

@jacoblunchbox9499 10 ай бұрын

im 20 minutes into the video and ive learned so much about the history of this amazing game. love this kind of content, really lets your knowledge of smash shine. hope to see more cool video ideas like this!

@123letsgopokemon 10 ай бұрын

One player I dont remember you mentioning was KillaOR and his MTV True Life episode, that definitely brought a lot of players in during the MLG era

@JoeDan54 10 ай бұрын

Thank god Fly Amanita got a mention, he gets overlooked a lot but he was amazing 47:36 Wasn't that Royal Flush?

@fisker25 10 ай бұрын

32:15 IBBW is actually crazy funny

@deeptochatterjee532 10 ай бұрын

We got a player in Manchester, UK whose tag is IBBW

@AlexRoseGames 10 ай бұрын

@@deeptochatterjee532 sad state of affairs when you have to write "UK" after manchester

@WTH1music 10 ай бұрын

Yeee yeeee. Love this idea. Very excited to watch this. Released right at lunch time eeyyyy

@kizzagaming6523 10 ай бұрын

I know it was glossed over when I was there, I still think KillaOR, Dekar(From Australia, check his tournament results from 2000's til now), Kira(Think he did end up getting on at the end), Quetz from Australia(Specifically for Peach, doesn't get enough acknowledgement), Ekinz from EU. Forget who else I had on the day, but there was quite a few Oh that was the other one Cao (Caotic) Did a bunch of stuff in USA, was in the doc about it. And as far as I know basically launched and carried the Australian scene on his back for a long time

@nicostein9875 10 ай бұрын

That Javi clip does not look like a 2006 Fox lol.

@noisepollution4473 10 ай бұрын

So nice to see a list like this that values contributions to the scene as much as results. Just a feel good video all around :)

@jamesanderson1139 9 ай бұрын

Ken deserves the inclusion for knowing all the stages that would remain legal almost a decade early.

@muqmanor 10 ай бұрын

I feel like it's crazy to not put Bombsoldier in? Is he not the grandfather of modern Falco play?

@byrne1807 10 ай бұрын

This is exactly what I wanted to watch thank you so much

@foosball486 10 ай бұрын

Dang, what about KillaOR in the MLG era? That MTV documentary is still the only mainstream piece of media on Smash

@duhsmith 10 ай бұрын

No magus? The real old heads know his contributions to the understanding of core engine mechanics is second to no one

@andrewferguson6901 10 ай бұрын

Yeah idk how you can overlook the number one chess playe-- nvm

@christomanci 10 ай бұрын

the proto kadano

@seanathan1 10 ай бұрын

@henryst5 10 ай бұрын

calling HMs hidden machines from Pokémon is hilarious, glad they realized they’re Honorable Mentions

@Lannibal_ 10 ай бұрын

Javi is the reason I started learning fox tech in 2006. Dude was nuts, and so was his brother, twin.

@Rufus_BD 10 ай бұрын

30:24 In Toph's chat, someone asked, "where is pm dev team". That question shouldn't have made me as mad as it did

@J-WASH 10 ай бұрын

it is a valid point, how many melee players started with pm during those years?

@Rufus_BD 10 ай бұрын

@@J-WASH everyone has their own start into getting melee, I started with ultimate. But that doesn’t mean they get a consideration into the MELEE hall of fame. It’s not significant enough. Doesn’t it sound weird to put the developers of a Brawl mod into the melee hall of fame? They also didn’t make pm for people to get into melee. I’m sorry but it’s not a valid point

@vanillafella4893 10 ай бұрын

@@Rufus_BDwow i thought you were mad that they didnt make it in, ive met so many people who got into melee through PM and its basically melee 2 so i dont see how u say its irrelevant

@Rufus_BD 10 ай бұрын

@@vanillafella4893 I was wrong with being mad at the response, I don’t think I made that clear after responding to another commenter. I still hold the opinion that pm isn’t a significant enough to be considered into a melee hall of fame for helping people get into melee

@tgamagedon 8 ай бұрын

Kinda sad, that Hax$ made it in just by play. Deserved obviously, but I would've loved to see how you weigh his contributions. Between him pushing Fox and tech skill in general forward, being a big part of breaking down and communicating some of the more strange mechanics of the game and obviously the B0XX (and to what extent you think it's a positive development), but also on the other hand evidence 2 and becoming sort of a figure the more toxic side of the community was rallying around.

@4sfield527 10 ай бұрын

Do a Melee Hall of Shame next

@mac_antonio 10 ай бұрын

this

@user-ko7gk8wz2p 10 ай бұрын

Too long

@yankees2864 10 ай бұрын

Every transphobe and sex offender

@vanillafella4893 10 ай бұрын

best to not bring any more attention to 2020 banned players

@danielbomb1190 9 ай бұрын

So I know there really isn't a place for coaches outside of DruggedFox because there isn't many coaches. But a really interesting person I think might deserve to be in the hall of fame as a coach would be Crunch. He literally is a huge reason Hbox went from arguable bottom 5 Gods to the top two end of 2016 to then the best player in the world for the next three years. Crunch's impact on Hbox as a coach was so huge and Hbox has talked about this several times, I think its worth the conversation. We aren't talking about someone who coached a lot of people which doesn't get him in as a community influence end but the one person he coached was the best player for several years. I think he should get in as a coach, or at least be considered.

@JtCoronaOnTheMic 10 ай бұрын

Petition for Hanky Panky, the 5th greatest player of all time according to the stats (but really Prof Pro overlooked)

@daxmoney5011 10 ай бұрын

2008-2012 isn’t the dark age it’s like the attitude era of melee with crazy language and shit that went down which would get people cancelled nowadays

@TheStickCollector 10 ай бұрын

Good to see

@sdw-hv5ko 10 ай бұрын

God this video is so awesome

@adamwallace7638 8 ай бұрын

a guy who just became a top player deciding the hall of fame, makes sense

@TimatoSaus 10 ай бұрын

I gotta shoutout AsumSaus as a next up content creator

@vanillafella4893 10 ай бұрын

i guess theres a lot of people behind hardware and software that could have been overlooked like maybe nez or def Altimor

@MAXINE90000 10 ай бұрын

Angelic thumbnail

@dusky6280 9 ай бұрын

Where's "John" of "No John's" fame?

@connorfitzpatrick6571 10 ай бұрын

Edwin budding snuffed

@kuni2330 9 ай бұрын

Also Jackzilla and Chroma been around forever but Fourside Fights is such awesome content that I feel like that plus their contributions to commentary and TOing should get them on the "next up" list.

@yas2ne19 10 ай бұрын

thanks for vid but would been cool to follow along with better editing like highliting when someone is added to hof and when we switch eras for example

@itsbmeGaming 10 ай бұрын

I'm glad Cody had forgotten to come back to consider BME for MLG-Era. Who cares about that old fogie? 🙂 (btw I'm just kidding. Cody actually apologized to me later and we laughed about it)

@Nawakooo0 10 ай бұрын

Oh it's itsbme! From Twitch chat! I am cynthiayg

@itsbmeGaming 10 ай бұрын

@@Nawakooo0 yo!

@Cutrong1229 10 ай бұрын

Where is Scar’s Dad?

@E-Brightvoid 10 ай бұрын

Lovage is my favorite smasher

@p0kess540 4 күн бұрын

didn't bomb soldier invent pillar combos for Falco? or at least be the first one to introduce that in tournament? regardless that's pretty game changing imo

@jkassel27 10 ай бұрын

Phish got snubbed for the Code of Conduct

@squilliam7960 10 ай бұрын

TIL that Drephen is the Mitch Richmond of Melee.

@RIStar-ds7wr 10 ай бұрын

I do believe that just for longevity Drephen should be there. He’s the oldest active player

@supwithit 10 ай бұрын

Simple way to be added should be if you have a fundamental tech or combo named after you, Like Chillin’, Zhu, Pc (walk), Mang0, Ken (combo), Wobbles, etc. yay. nay?

@kylev1228 10 ай бұрын

Does Cody know you can sort columns alphabetically

@NesDaKid 10 ай бұрын

Silent Spectre is my goat

@andrewskylakos3585 10 ай бұрын

Where's Gimpyfish without Gimpyfish I can't approve of this list imho

@jamesanderson1139 9 ай бұрын

I can srr a case for character ambassadors like Ringler

@AlexRoseGames 10 ай бұрын

Gideon who made smashboards. Sakurai

@MMMagearna 10 ай бұрын

Cody mentioning Milktea but not Emilywaves was a bit of a stinger :c

@SOCIALCREDITSCOREOVER 9 ай бұрын

borp??

@xTheReapersSpawn 10 ай бұрын

Comment for the algorithm... I'm a Toph fanboy, what can I say!? ❤ Oh and an IBDW fanboy too!

@ChristianTheChicken 10 ай бұрын

Only about halfway through, but y'all gotta add Dan Salvato (20XX TE), Anther (Anther's Ladder), NezModGod (controllers), and Fizzi (Project Slippi) for their contributions to Melee.

@JtCoronaOnTheMic 10 ай бұрын

Loving that G-town got a mention before all of them!

@Murph_E 10 ай бұрын

If you're only halfway through, then maybe you should get all the way through before making a comment asking for people to be on the list, because Dan Salvato, Anther and Fizzi are on the list.

@ChristianTheChicken 10 ай бұрын

@@Murph_E Yes, and I am happy for it! :)

@SeriousStriker 6 ай бұрын

I find it funny that the guy who made Doki Doki Literature Club is part of Melee's Hall of Fame

@FBBHRULEZ 10 ай бұрын

Did they mention Prog at all?

@kuni2330 9 ай бұрын

He's under dark age

@wesleymcbob 10 ай бұрын

scar?

@asadk895 10 ай бұрын

Does anyone know how Chillins been since his stroke?

@seanathan1 10 ай бұрын

Watch his streams, it seems like he's been doing well

@kipz 10 ай бұрын

gee i wonder why ludwig is in the thumbnail

@franz009franz 10 ай бұрын

no ice is a joke

@franz009franz 10 ай бұрын

he's in so many top 20s having the chance to travel to 3-4 tournaments a year playing in a region without competition. his movement was absolutely insane for its time. he literally traveled once last year and beat aklo while being semi-active...@Gundice

@franz009franz 10 ай бұрын

plus his 2on2 successes with leffen @Gundice

@m8mZ 2 ай бұрын

Where’s hax 50:33

@AbigBlackcat 10 ай бұрын

The melee documentary should go into the hall of fame. The amount of new players after that dropped

@kydanoster9027 10 ай бұрын

samox, the dude who made it, got in

@vanillafella4893 10 ай бұрын

it is

@christianmayonove6914 10 ай бұрын

Well there’s a reason traditional sports don’t rank hall of famers for the recent years. Toph and Cody are trying to determine the impacts of players from like the slippi years, but those are too recent. It’s impossible to see someone’s legacy only 1 year removed

@shanepoops5993 10 ай бұрын

Amazing video I’m only 16 mins in

@tysonmaddox1090 10 ай бұрын

Does heeew count for all of smash cause I feel like he would count

@DasGoodSoup 10 ай бұрын

so why is he not IBDW now?

@lelouchdagoat4477 10 ай бұрын

He just decided to go by Cody now. His name was Cody Schwab on a lot of platforms for years anyway

@Boonda-p 3 ай бұрын

Just came here to make sure PewpewU was on the list

@boogMNK 9 ай бұрын

Can't believe y'all just dissed my bro jvx3

@joeykeilholz925 10 ай бұрын

Cody no bookmarks bar and no adblock? Very interesting...

@trickytristan1 10 ай бұрын

I would definitely put TurnDownForWalt and Magi on for modern era, and probably also soonsay for either modern/upcoming

@matthewburnside9566 10 ай бұрын

Where’s Ludvix 😢

@JadenSmithEyes 10 ай бұрын

I can't believe they forgot Hax$ 😂

@Adantenshi 10 ай бұрын

they put him in 2010

@seanathan1 10 ай бұрын

he should've been in fr

@Nawakooo0 10 ай бұрын

Ok but where is Hax

@cheryldragunoff4129 10 ай бұрын

he is in there

@Nawakooo0 10 ай бұрын

@@cheryldragunoff4129 Nah it was a joke, I guess you weren't watching the stream. People kept asking where Hax was even though he was there.

@vddxr7240 10 ай бұрын

the continued deletion of shiz from smash history because of religious views will forever be corny

@vddxr7240 10 ай бұрын

yea bro having retarded views on things (his right as an american) somehow invalidates having arguably the most influential set in melee history. makes sense@Gundice

@goodwoodstudios3440 10 ай бұрын

A little assault and battery is fine, but don't you dare point out that men are men and women are women.

@chadwicktouchdown 10 ай бұрын

"religious views" loool foh

@vddxr7240 10 ай бұрын

quite literally is@@chadwicktouchdown

@vddxr7240 10 ай бұрын

smashers have the intellectual maturity greater than a 15 year old girl challenge (impossible)@@goodwoodstudios3440

@Actionfrank911 10 ай бұрын

i would absolutely not put Ludwig in the hall of fame. Being popular shouldn't be a hall of fame qualifier.

@devinbowen2046 10 ай бұрын

LACS alone is enough for him to be hall of fame

@cokehead3040 10 ай бұрын

@@devinbowen2046fr these people forget the first lacs was before he even really got popular

@cheryldragunoff4129 10 ай бұрын

the events he sets up gets him in

@Pwrplus5 10 ай бұрын

Good thing 'being popular' isn't the reason he's on the list then

@ThePharphis 10 ай бұрын

dude he created an entire smash and chessboxing event garnering probably tens of thousands of completely new eyes on the scene... among his many other TO and other contributions... recall the first LACS was well before his blowup (~2019) ( think SFAT won that over axe for $1000 or something like that.