6 Myths about Heaven and Thoughts on Near Death Experiences|With Dr. Clay Jones

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Melissa Dougherty

Melissa Dougherty

10 ай бұрын

What will heaven be like? Will we recognize anyone? If everything is perfect, what will we actually DO there? Then there's NDE's. What's up with those? I discussed these questions and more with scholar Clay Jones.
Clay Jones is a Visiting Scholar for the MA in Christian Apologetics program at Talbot Seminary and the chairman of the board of Ratio Christi. He holds a Doctor of Ministry from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School.
Timestamps:
00:52- Myth 1: Heaven Is Lonely-We Won’t Recognize Anyone
05:06- Myth 2: Heaven Is Hurtful-Too Many Painful Memories
11:00- Myth 3: Heaven Is Dreary-Full of Nerds and Prudes
13:20- Myth 4: Heaven Is Drab-Everything Is White
16:14- Myth 5: Heaven Is Less-No Taste, Touch, or Smell
21:35- Myth 6: Heaven Is Tedious-All We Will Do Is Sing
29:43- What is your position on NDE's/Near Death Experiences?
36:01- Are any NDE's actually authentic?
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@marthaj67
@marthaj67 9 ай бұрын
When they were talking about possibly being able to speak with animals in Heaven, it reminds me of all of the profoundly disabled people who have no ability to speak. Our youngest son, who is 15 years old now, has never spoken a word, nor does he sign. He can use an augmented communication tablet to make his _needs_ known, but we've never been able to actually have a conversation with him. We talk to him as we would any of our other children, and I think he understands more than we know, but we have little idea of what's _really_ going on in his head. If we'll be able to speak with _animals_ in Heaven, to actually have a conversation with our youngest son, our "baby", will be a TRUE blessing! 😊 "There will be no more night there." And no more disability either.
@TruthAboveAll08
@TruthAboveAll08 9 ай бұрын
Exactly! All those who suffer from various disabilities and disease will all be healed, restored, and have their glorified bodies, like that of Jesus, at the Rapture of the church. The rejoicing will last an eternity!
@brendaalpert6171
@brendaalpert6171 9 ай бұрын
Yes, it will happen there ♥️
@Seeklip6T
@Seeklip6T 9 ай бұрын
The question about pets in heaven: believer people ask this a lot. I would say God is about to blow people's minds. Why wouldn't a loving God send our lovable beasts in to eternity? He knows us and sympathizes with us. The new millennium in scripture already speaks about lions and lambs and vipers. Why not our pets?
@DashtonSunflowerseed
@DashtonSunflowerseed 9 ай бұрын
we can communicate wth Animals with out Dyeing With or Without the Body Oviously its all done with ur Mind Threw Others confirming Visions threw each other exspecialy threw Strangers its easyer to pratice on doing with not everyones readable its like a spirutal wifi its how eye encountered JESUS him self and the 4 faced cherubim Beings eye never knew exsisted eye have Evidence of it on here all done always for FREE DUH
@bondservant4jesus
@bondservant4jesus 9 ай бұрын
Preach the gospel to him.
@Exayevie
@Exayevie 9 ай бұрын
My grandmother, a missionary in West Africa for most of my childhood, battled malaria and at one point was pronounced dead at a hospital in Abidjan for half an hour. Then she woke up. If you ask her about it, she will tell you she was surrounded by light and heard angels singing the most indescribable music. BUT, she doesn't like to talk about it. It's almost like the transfiguration, where Jesus told his disciples NOT to tell anyone what they saw. Grandma has the most vibrant, passionate testimony for Jesus I've ever heard, but her near death experience is _never_ part of it, not even with us family unless we specifically ask. As a consequence, I'm highly skeptical of anyone who wants to talk about their NDE or use it as a ministry platform, even though I'm completely convinced they are real.
@inchristalone25
@inchristalone25 9 ай бұрын
I don't think that's a universal truth to not talk about an NDE, sometimes God uses that experience to provide testimony to others and many have waited many yrs for the right time to come out and share it. God will lead the way.
@graftme3168
@graftme3168 9 ай бұрын
But, they told us what they saw. I think He told them not to tell anyone what they HEARD.
@graftme3168
@graftme3168 9 ай бұрын
The apostle Paul even said that it wasn't lawful for him to speak about what he had seen. There are a lot of people who are lying. If you test the spirit behind it you can usually tell when it is a lie. That's what the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is for.
@graftme3168
@graftme3168 9 ай бұрын
There's also gold tones in heaven.
@charvey1111
@charvey1111 9 ай бұрын
She spoke you carry it on
@carrikartes1403
@carrikartes1403 9 ай бұрын
White is not boring. Put white light through a prism and you get the most beautiful rainbows.
@theShamrockShepherdWagon
@theShamrockShepherdWagon 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video. I feel one of the dangers of some cults is that they base their theology on "personal experiences" without testing spirits, etc. The discerning constant is always what does the Bible say. Not companion books, but the actual Bible.
@tracyavent-costanza346
@tracyavent-costanza346 8 ай бұрын
what is "testing spirits" and do you do that during the day to avoid being bored?
@dianalinscome5830
@dianalinscome5830 9 ай бұрын
Melissa, this is a touchy subject for parents who have lost a child. My 17yo died from a horrific car crash involving alcohol and drugs in 1997. Although thank God my dear friend from years ago called to remind me that one day took my son and her son to her church and reminded me that my son and her son (both 11yo at the time went forward to repent and give their lives to Jesus Christ. I was a mess just knowing my 17yo son had died and left worrying about my son's salvation until I received her call. My other son who did repent and give his life to Jesus died in 2019 from an overdose of heroin. So it's so hard for parents who lost their child to death and trying to live with the fear about if they're in heaven or not. Thanks Melissa for this subject because parents who lose their child or more is hell on earth if they're not sure ✝️🙏❤️
@joansmith5947
@joansmith5947 9 ай бұрын
Agree. I'm about to listen to this but wanted to read comments first to know if it would be good for me. My 24 year old daughter passed last December and in the Lutheran tradition she was raised in, had been baptized and confirmed. She believed but was mostly a prodigal at 24. Counselor and God's amazing signs He has blessed me with so many times, plus multiple Christian NDE books and videos give me much hope she is in His glory and we will be reunited.
@MountainFisher
@MountainFisher 9 ай бұрын
Please understand that in the Bible the closest thing that can be called the age of accountability is 20 years old. What?!!? When the Israelites were doomed to wandering in the desert for not trusting God for 40 years those 20 years old and younger were not condemned to die. There are no children _or_ teenagers in Hell. Hell is an adult situation not an immature one.
@dianalinscome5830
@dianalinscome5830 8 ай бұрын
@@MountainFisher I always wondered about that as well, thanks for confirming that 😉✝️🙏
@dianalinscome5830
@dianalinscome5830 8 ай бұрын
@@joansmith5947 ✝️🙏 First of all I'm so sorry you lost your daughter so recently, yes I know your pain and agony well. When my 2 sons died they were living prodigal lives, nonetheless my 17yo son Anthony who died in 97 repented, gave his life to Jesus at 12 . My other son Marcus died in 2019 he had repented and gave his life to Jesus when he was 9. He shared the gospel of Jesus with people on line every morning before work up until he died. He's won alot over for Jesus. I'm not familiar with your (traditions or confirmations). I've no idea what "NDE" is but I'm sure our kids are with Jesus right now ✝️🙏
@aorg9793
@aorg9793 9 ай бұрын
People have such pedestrian concerns about Heaven. Do I think my dad Ken will recognize me? Sure, but I imagine he's glorifying God and exploring the universe God created to such a degree that it matters little to him. And for that, I am truly happy for my dad Ken. For Christians to be worried about restoring Earthly social clubs seems pedantic and self-absorbed.
@robinmurphy8705
@robinmurphy8705 9 ай бұрын
Would it be pedantic of me to comment, "nice use of the word, pedantic"?😄
@mkathrynblacker5960
@mkathrynblacker5960 9 ай бұрын
I don't remember thinking very little of anything else being Adam and Eve's experience in the garden. 🤔
@kristencobb230
@kristencobb230 9 ай бұрын
God’s greatest gift outside of Jesus is our loved ones. I think it’s totally normal to have these questions and concerns. ❤🙏🏻
@angietorok8389
@angietorok8389 9 ай бұрын
​@@kristencobb230If, in fact these are God's greatest gifts, why would anyone think He might take them away? Additionally, many loved ones will not be saved, so I have to assume God has greater things in store for us. It seems to me that getting caught up with such concerns requires a HUGE misunderstanding of God's character and an overly developed attachment to the things of this world. I''m not judging. These are just some thoughts.
@nonconformist9991
@nonconformist9991 9 ай бұрын
I was hit by a car going 45MPH while riding my skateboard it broke my body in ways you never recover from and my head trauma caused me to bleed out. The loss of blood is the only way the doctors could explain why I survived because it relieved the pressure on my brain. I had no vitals when the paramedics arrived and after being jumped started once had to be revived again on the way to the emergency room. The NDE experience for me was the absence of any worldly existence at all and I was at peace like the most peaceful sleep I could imagine floating in a starless space that words cannot explain. The Bible describes death as being asleep more than 50 times and I agree but it was unlike any sleep I have ever experienced while alive and I think I have been a little angry that the paramedics and doctors brought me back.
@BB.halo_heir
@BB.halo_heir 9 ай бұрын
You should look into the Greek translation of "sleep" it might be helpful to describe what the bible meant by 'sleep'.
@sovereigngodlisaloves9525
@sovereigngodlisaloves9525 9 ай бұрын
Maybe the LORD brought you back because He has a work for you to do. God bless you 🙏.
@inchristalone25
@inchristalone25 9 ай бұрын
They say it takes about 7 years to integrate an NDE and I'm sure the grief of being back in your body is real.
@SeattleTurissini
@SeattleTurissini 9 ай бұрын
I heard a local politician argue for abortion on the grounds that we are simply sending a baby to heaven. That sort of "understanding" is ultimately destructive. Period.
@mbb--
@mbb-- 9 ай бұрын
That politician's reasoning is similar to the reasoning terrorists use to justify using their children as human shields. According to the Bible, it's God's prerogative to decide when someone goes to heaven, not man's.
@nancypanasyuk8860
@nancypanasyuk8860 9 ай бұрын
Wow that’s insane. Sending babies to heaven and the moms to hell?
@arcguardian
@arcguardian 9 ай бұрын
It's true, but still evil, therefore not justifiable.
@glenturney4750
@glenturney4750 9 ай бұрын
Might be "sending a baby to heaven", but it's ALSO sending those who MURDER it to HELL, 'cause it's written CLEARLY in Revelation 21:8; [8] "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the 'MURDERERS', the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” So, ANYONE who believes that they're doing these unborn babies a 'SERVICE' by aborting them to send them back to heaven, they're doing Satan's work by "MURDERING" as it is written in Revelation 21:8.
@glenturney4750
@glenturney4750 9 ай бұрын
​@@mbb--: Yes, HOWEVER God DOES give law enforcement the authority to end someone's life when someone is out of hand, 'cause it's ALSO written in Romans 13:1-5; ‭‭[1] "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. [2] Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. [3] For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. [4] For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. [5] Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience." "They do not bear the sword for nothing." Swords are for taking lives, not spanking, or pointing at people. Today law enforcement carry guns and they're used for the same purpose. When some people witness a cop shooting somebody dead, they get all bent out of shape and start hating on the cops, but they don't understand that cops work for God to keep order. Does that mean they all get it right all of the time? No, BUT THAT'S between that cop and God, NOT between the bystanders, 'cause THEY'RE far from perfect as well and do things that are just as bad as COMMITTING murder, yet THEY don't see it that way, even though God DOES. Basically, these people have no right to judge the cops who make mistakes in the heat of the moment and misjudge and shoot someone dead. Jesus said; ‭‭[1] “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. [2] For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." (Matthew 7:1-2)
@kcsunshine6416
@kcsunshine6416 9 ай бұрын
I have seen a man come back from the dead. He was intubated and couldn't talk, but as we rushed him to ICU he was fully alert, kept grabbing our arms, each in turn, and desperately mouthing the words "I love you". He never got off the vent, as he took a turn for the worse and passed. Having said that, I disbelieve every highly publicised experience of NDE. There is always something that is scripturally questionable about those experiences.
@camillewilliams3185
@camillewilliams3185 9 ай бұрын
This. All of this
@tracyavent-costanza346
@tracyavent-costanza346 9 ай бұрын
***comments*** WRT I have seen a man come back from the dead. ***how do you know he was dead then*** He was intubated and couldn't talk, ***being intubated, does not make him dead. nor if he were DECLARED DEAD would he have been intubated. Your version of the story has some problems with material consistency. As do a lot of the vague ones found in your favorite book in case you did not notice that *** but as we rushed him to ICU he was fully alert, ***he was evidently at least partly CONSCIOUS but the rest you claim, has problems with supporting evidence*** kept grabbing our arms, each in turn, ***someone drowning will do that too. it does not prove your other claims *** and desperately mouthing the words "I love you". ***if he NEVER RETURNED TO FULL CONSCIOUSNESS, you DO NOT KNOW what he was trying to say, nor to whom*** He never got off the vent, as he took a turn for the worse and passed. ***well THAT statement is VAGUE. Why were you apparenlty PRESENT during that entire period if he was under ER triage?*** Having said that, I disbelieve every highly publicised experience of NDE. ***your dis-belief has nothing to do with whether people have those experiences. I have examined THOUSANDS of them and I have not examined YOU *** There is always something that is scripturally questionable about those experiences. ***and now we have reason to think that there is also "something" questionable about your version of deductive logic. None of which negates whatever service you might have rendered to people despite your tendency to judge them. You still get credit for doing it, even if your motives might have been somewhat less than entirely sincere. ***
@MO51MARRIED6yrAISHA
@MO51MARRIED6yrAISHA 9 ай бұрын
Thank God for witnesses like Melissa Dougherty! We need more like her.
@tracyavent-costanza346
@tracyavent-costanza346 9 ай бұрын
i give up, what exactly is melissa a "witness" of.
@SarahHualde
@SarahHualde 9 ай бұрын
My church has had the privilege of having Clay as guest pastor. He always leaves me thinking. I highly recommend his books and am thrilled Melissa had him on her channel (and Jeannie too)
@sorelyanlie2784
@sorelyanlie2784 9 ай бұрын
This topic throws be back into a memory loop haha. When we were children one of my sisters and I would take all the white and red ornaments off of the Christmas tree and arrange them on blankets to be “heaven” and “hell”. We would always make it so that the red ornaments were hell and we would arrange them in such a way that they looked extra appealing and exciting and royal looking on the edges (to us as children haha), but on the inside of that border we only had the oldest most ragged blanket, and with the white ones we would sort of tuck them behind little mounds of blankets so that our stuffed animals who were “deciding” where they wanted to go couldn’t tell they were there, but once they “got into heaven” they would keep being surprised and amazed by the beautiful treasures there, while the ones who went to “hell” were very angry by how deceptive the outside was haha. Anyway, like you said at the beginning, Satan’s whole motive is to make all things pertaining to God, including heaven, look undesirable and to make his ways look like the better option.
@newday7849
@newday7849 9 ай бұрын
I have had a NDE years ago it is for real it convinced me of the spiritual world and the truth of the bible
@alina24499
@alina24499 9 ай бұрын
What did you experience?
@stanksalvala
@stanksalvala 9 ай бұрын
These myths were my assumptions about Heaven for years. It would be a dreary place full of side hugs and loneliness, but it would be OK because I would be made happy by the presence of Jesus. Almost like I'd be in a box with happy feelings pumped into me. And, I didn't think too much about it until I went through a darker period of my life when I was feeling REALLY lost and finding no hope in the idea of Heaven. God put it on my heart to really read through the scriptures and understand the fullness of His promises and it was incredible. We as Christians are called to know these truths because they DO brace us and give us courage. I meet so many people now with what I call the "morphine drip" idea of Heaven and it's so important to counter this. Yet, I see SO MANY people online trying to one-up each other about what won't be in Heaven (I saw one guy say we wouldn't laugh...), and how they're ok with it to be in the presence of Jesus. That's not Biblical. Love this video, and it's a more important topic than many might realize.
@davidjarvie9546
@davidjarvie9546 9 ай бұрын
I'm 62 and ive never fantasised about killing anyone, it's not because of consequences it's because I know it would hurt me spiritually I wouldn't be able to handle it, I once killed a cat when I was 12 and I've hated myself ever since,it hurts me to even think about it. 🙏🙏🙏
@setyourmindfreenow
@setyourmindfreenow 9 ай бұрын
I'm sorry you still feel that pain. I was scratched by one of the kittens of my grandmother's cat. I put the kitten outside where our dog was, and the dog killed it. I've felt the guilt of it ever since, and I'm nearly 54 (I was 11 when it happened). God forgives us even if we don't forgive ourselves.
@davidjarvie9546
@davidjarvie9546 9 ай бұрын
@@setyourmindfreenow thank you for your concern, both you and I,continue to carry the guilt and pain for being responsible for the life of an innocent animal, we both understand the pain thank the Lord for giving us respite. Amen.🙏
@emo516
@emo516 9 ай бұрын
exactly. I had to kill a suffering mouse, and it crippled me for days. lol Mankind does have natural empathy, despite what biblical scholars say.
@melindamercier6811
@melindamercier6811 9 ай бұрын
@@emo516 it’s not that we’re absent of empathy, it is that we are prone to wrath as well. Murder in our hearts isn’t about fantasies of killing others, it is hatred that is equated to murder according to Jesus.
@emo516
@emo516 9 ай бұрын
@@melindamercier6811 ok? and according to many others. Jesus was not the only wise man to ever walk the face of earth, and not all born again Christians are going to live a life of purity. Anyone is capable of wrath. Its a conscious choice to live without desire, and that was actually more of a Buddhist concept than a Jesus one, but the whole idea of controlling one's thoughts, mind and actions really stems from middle east.
@inchristalone25
@inchristalone25 9 ай бұрын
I gave a like when he said that when we actually know that our loved ones rejected the King of the Kings we won't want to be with them. I highly agree. People are too enmeshed with their families, that doesn't mean we don't love them, but it was great to bring up that passage about Jesus saying "who is my mother my brother and sister? Those that do the will of my Father" we have a new family in Christ.
@BeyondBlessedYTC
@BeyondBlessedYTC 9 ай бұрын
Just came across this. Thank you.God bless you. May everyone in this comment section also be blessed. May our lord forever guide us.
@annfraley-mylife
@annfraley-mylife 9 ай бұрын
I'm ready for a totally new mind and spirit. I don't care whether we know each other and I don't know why anyone would. I think we don't give credit to God's ability to give us a totally new existence that doesn't need any connection to life on this earth. If God is telling us in scripture, that we will know each other, then His will be done. But, if not, I trust that God knows what it takes to equal eternal rapture.
@JerseyGurl4Life
@JerseyGurl4Life 9 ай бұрын
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@daverogg8701
@daverogg8701 9 ай бұрын
Clay reminds me of a clean version of Norm Macdonald, especially when he smiles, but in the way he debunks the myths, like Norm would expose media lies. The two of you are super!!!
@Bec_love
@Bec_love 9 ай бұрын
The talking animals is a cool theory, because I always wondered why Eve wasn't freaking out that the snake was talking.
@samdanner6806
@samdanner6806 9 ай бұрын
Melissa, I am very glad that you are talking about this NDE subject. As a former EMT I have questions about this.
@brandyl2183
@brandyl2183 9 ай бұрын
I bet you’ve seen some things as an EMT
@susanfanning9480
@susanfanning9480 9 ай бұрын
As a nurse/social worker I've seen things unexplained.
@lt7378
@lt7378 9 ай бұрын
@@susanfanning9480like what?
@leenieledejo6849
@leenieledejo6849 9 ай бұрын
I have heard that some deaths are so horrendous (they literally see demons coming to get them) that that's why the practice of "making it easier" and "managing death" through nurses using morphine and midazolam has increased enormously in recent years. I can understand up to a point but it's important for people to KNOW. Atheists gathered round the death bed of a relative may be traumatized if they experienced that but it might wake them up into taking life seriously and searching for truth (i.e God). Sometimes it takes something hard to wake people up who are drifting through life. It's a blessing in disguise. Pumping someone full of drugs is interfering with nature i.e with God.
@lhart5632
@lhart5632 9 ай бұрын
​@@leenieledejo6849Many of those dying are in extreme pain. Denying them drugs so they can "experience death" is cruel. Case by case basis. God will be there either way.
@bethtaylor9773
@bethtaylor9773 9 ай бұрын
John Burk's book, 'Imagine Heaven', about NDE experiences of heaven...and hell is about people's experiences that line up with scripture. He's a pastor who started and leads Gateway Church in Austin.
@laughinghawk8522
@laughinghawk8522 9 ай бұрын
I was taught in school we'll recognize those who were saved in heaven but completely forget those who were not as if they never existed because there is no grief in heaven. For a long time, that thought made me so sad I didn't want to go to heaven then I remember our God is a just God.
@CharMinsky
@CharMinsky 9 ай бұрын
Great show today. I appreciate how well you both shared, it’s fun to talk about eternity. Chatting with the animals and family 🙏🏼🕊️😽💕
@ardbegthequestion
@ardbegthequestion 9 ай бұрын
Sure it’s fun, but you’d have to really, really ask yourself, do you really have good reason to think heaven/hell is real other than “for the Bible tells me so.”? It’s ironically really about self interest in not accepting one’s mortality. I’d love anyone to actually give any compelling reason to hold life after life with any scrap of actual fact that isn’t just complete conjecture.
@camillewilliams3185
@camillewilliams3185 9 ай бұрын
When it comes to NDE stories I definitely take them with a grain of salt. At the end of a day it's still someone's personal experience and thay means those can be deceptive. You cannot take them as truth just because it's an NDE or alleged NDE.
@41orchard
@41orchard 9 ай бұрын
Thanks Melissa, you always address the relevant topics... NDE's where a mind bender for me for a while.
@left0verture
@left0verture 9 ай бұрын
Bottom line: Scripture is truth. Experience… not necessarily.
@shanetlogan
@shanetlogan 9 ай бұрын
My favorite topic! Thanks for having this interview.
@TheTinkerersWife
@TheTinkerersWife 9 ай бұрын
Very informative interview. I'm l9oking forward to no longer seeing through a glass dimly and be8ng able to see the beauty of the color spectrum of heaven, but mostly to see Christ whose beauty will outshine it all.
@glennpesti6519
@glennpesti6519 9 ай бұрын
I always enjoy your work, Melissa, thank you
@thewoolpack
@thewoolpack 9 ай бұрын
Melissa, if you can you should interview John Burke and J.P. Moreland on this topic, cause they talk about the different experiences that people have had in their NDEs. They also talk about how the studies on NDEs shows that people who have these experiences see the same things, but they interpret them differently. Because they are seeing the same things, this would rule out chemical or hallucinations, or anything similar to that because those don’t give multiple people the same sights, scenes, etc. It’s a subject that has a lot of assumptions to it, and it’s often either too much attention or too little. I’ve studied it quite a bit though, and am still studying it, so if you or anyone has any questions or wants resources please do ask. God Bless! :)
@drkiehl9527
@drkiehl9527 9 ай бұрын
I love this book. I feel John Burke researched it well.
@PeytonlWeaver
@PeytonlWeaver 9 ай бұрын
This was so incredibly encouraging to me. Thank you!
@FireflowerDancer
@FireflowerDancer 9 ай бұрын
You are both such a blessing to me today. What a wonderful topic! You said what I've been thinking which is that NDEs are personal dream experiences and are not necessarily to be viewed the same way as confirmed visions from God. Very intriguing angle to look at heaven from. And in Revelation there are so many descriptions about heaven being colorful.
@mramirez5239
@mramirez5239 8 ай бұрын
As an art lover and former painter and musician, I am very attracted to the fact that colors exist in Heaven that I'be never seen before. 💞
@MC-bp1dm
@MC-bp1dm 9 ай бұрын
Ty for talking about this. Most teachers/pastors avoid this question.
@sabrinasetzler689
@sabrinasetzler689 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for spending time on these topics. It is wonderful to consider the Word of God. ❤🙏
@Stephanie-ft9pv
@Stephanie-ft9pv 9 ай бұрын
I have very recently been watching near death experiences and I have been soo confused about them. Because some of them seem to contridict what I've always believed in which is God and heaven. All the most recent ones talked about a bright light and becoming one with the light but never say anything about believing in God before or after the experience. And the one who did talk about aomething that sounded like they were in heaven, to me sounded like everyone goes to this heaven no matter what. Which goes against EVERYTHING i ever learned and believed. And I wonder could ALL these people be lying? What if there not lying? It's actually really been bothering me and I was just dwelling on it this morning and talking about it to God and then I came across your video! Which is amazing. I think God showed me your video to reassure me that HE is real and heaven is real and maybe that's all I need to think about ❤
@Stephanie-ft9pv
@Stephanie-ft9pv 5 ай бұрын
​@@fml5910 yeah, i think that maybe those people really believe they are seeing this but its not a vision from God its a vision from the devil trying to confuse us even more bcoz ya know thats what he does. I obviously dont know for sure but its just a thought..Ive always figured if someone is telling a nde and it doesn't line up with Gods word then we shouldnt pay attention to it. You should listen to mary k baxters story, you can look her up here. She went to heaven and hell and her story lines up with scripture. Thats one experience i believe. And its a really cool/amazing story
@joannetompkins7833
@joannetompkins7833 9 ай бұрын
Why would heaven be less magnificent than earth? When you think of the incredibly beautiful places on earth you know that heaven will be even more amazing.
@ChristianityExplained
@ChristianityExplained 9 ай бұрын
I read and reviewed a book called "Imaginne Heaven". It's written by John Burke. He did some research and confirmed a lot of what your guest said. He also gave some warnings, too. According too the people who John interviewed, Heaven is not boring.
@LadyB777
@LadyB777 9 ай бұрын
That was amazing! Dr Jones has the most useful response I've come across so far, when it comes to NDE's. Thanks for having him on, Melissa
@mramirez5239
@mramirez5239 8 ай бұрын
I enjoyed his good sense of humor. But like many who enjoy their own, insensitivity can pop up. I think Melissa did a great job steering him away from when he was about to cross that line during this one and it was comforting to see bc I don't think he even realized his direction was about to error.
@dawnricherson2604
@dawnricherson2604 9 ай бұрын
Everyone needs to read Randy Alcorn’s book, Heaven. It’s a biblical look at our eternal destination and it’s amazing.
@daveflanagan4213
@daveflanagan4213 9 ай бұрын
An excellent chat went out in the Holy Post on heaven. Heaven is here now.
@TheNinjaInConverse
@TheNinjaInConverse 9 ай бұрын
Interesting discussion!
@linak7155
@linak7155 9 ай бұрын
All the things that heaven could conceivably be like, megga trippy! The trouble I have with the premise is that Scripture says we will be on earth for a thousand years.❤ We will be busy!! Rev 20:6 Rev 5:10🙏Matthew 19:28
@artpsych71
@artpsych71 9 ай бұрын
Thank you Melissa for this discussion! Very interesting topic to explore! One point that didn't sit right for me was concerning those going to hell and not heaven. Personally, I think and feel I would grieve for their missed opportunity to be redeemed by Jesus. We all have sinned, and I don't think I would feel abhored by hearing about their sins at the white throne judgement. Rather, I would feel terrible for them and where they were going needlessly (meaning they could have been saved if they had better understanding or accepting heart). Someday we will know these things, but for now we are to be faithful and understand things the best we're able.
@PeterCianci
@PeterCianci 9 ай бұрын
You mean, we'll get to drink the best wines, not get drunk, hence no hangover!? Sign me up! Heaven is going to be beyond ALL comprehension. He gives us glimpses in the Bible, but we still can't even imagine big enough! Praise be to and Hail King Jesus! Loving your content built around TRUTH, Melissa! Thank you and God bless/protect you always 🙏
@petervonbergen5364
@petervonbergen5364 9 ай бұрын
I read some research about it somewhere. They said, that though the brain waves may have stopped, the brain itself releases a highly impactful cocktail of chemicals in these situations that may put you in a state of highly emotional perceptiveness, clearness and visualization. And as in a dream, you never really know what kind of experience it will be. But likely you will see things that your brain somewhat relates too. That may be the reason why Hindus see Krishna and Universalists get the message that everybody gets absorbed into heaven and People who feel guilty experience hell and so on. Maybe it is only a not fully understood natural experience with a natural cause. Maybe even including forms of perception (like the shue) that is impossible in a normal state of the brain. So no reason to make up a theology based on it. Like all wordly experiences entangled with strong emotions, it can lead us astray from the truth. Rely on scripture rather than on ever changing emotions.
@robinmurphy8705
@robinmurphy8705 9 ай бұрын
Eben Alexander
@petervonbergen5364
@petervonbergen5364 9 ай бұрын
@@robinmurphy8705 ?
@inchristalone25
@inchristalone25 9 ай бұрын
How can you experience emotion if your nerves aren't firing anymore? Some people have actually seen their loved ones in a separate room away from themselves and known exactly what they were saying and doing. A body that isn't getting oxygen could not be able to comprehend something outside of the room.
@robinmurphy8705
@robinmurphy8705 9 ай бұрын
@@inchristalone25 check Eben Alexander's experience. He is a highly respected neurosurgeon.
@inchristalone25
@inchristalone25 9 ай бұрын
@@robinmurphy8705 Hmm seems like he didn't fully die? There are real fully dead NDE's where they actually met Jesus. Not that a still alive NDE isn't relevant, it is, but unless they meet Jesus they don't become a Christian. Anita Moorjani is another who was in a coma , met her loved ones and came back and healed in 2 weeks of end stage cancer, but she didn't become a christian she just preaches heaven is actually real it's just about love. Yeah God is love, but the only way TO God is through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
@libertylarochelle8517
@libertylarochelle8517 9 ай бұрын
Thank you Melissa. ❤ Australia 🇦🇺
@mramirez5239
@mramirez5239 8 ай бұрын
I'm thinking your pic is new? If so, or if not (haha), it's great! This is a good conversation. So needed-we don't talk enough about the enemy working to ruin Heaven for us on this side of eternity. Again we see the solution to those lies is simply: be IN the Word. 📖
@lemonkng3188
@lemonkng3188 9 ай бұрын
God must be working through you I've been watching several of these NDE videos lately. I'm not a fool who takes these things to be 100% true but I do find them interesting.
@Sandy-jc3vv
@Sandy-jc3vv 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for this full of information video! I also wanted to ask you about Steve Bancarz since u mentioned him? Hope all is well there since he hasn’t posted anything for awhile and his testimony is so wonderful… God Bless your ministry dear Melissa, I pray it is very fruitful ❤️🙏👏
@ragingsilence7
@ragingsilence7 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for this. I also watched your video on hell. Both videos are extremely helpful and edifying. You mentioned Steven Bancarz. I hope he's doing well. I was concerned about him as I haven't seen him for quite some time. Take care.
@bedtimesd.1247
@bedtimesd.1247 9 ай бұрын
Wow! Very interesting. I have had what I would better call a near Life experience during a double brain surgery.
@Blablassis
@Blablassis 9 ай бұрын
You are my favorite youtuber apologist
@personalinfo2404
@personalinfo2404 9 ай бұрын
Right on the spot!! Hallelujah 💗🌸💗🌸💗🌸💗
@candyDander
@candyDander 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video! Until I watched it, I didn't realize that I did take the ones I saw for some sort of truth about death. But the other day I saw one talking about how there was no Hell or Heaven or something like that. I tried to watch it, but I just didn't want to finish it because I didn't like that people were going to be misled through it. I guess I'm sheltered because all the NDE's I'd seen before talked about God, or realizing God was real through them. So seeing that one shook me up a bit. Not my faith, but how I was suppose to view these experiences.
@wandalester8624
@wandalester8624 9 ай бұрын
Wonderful!
@kathytincler2446
@kathytincler2446 9 ай бұрын
Thank you thank you thank you!!! This was so eye opening and helpful! Love the 'bird brain' story. I will never consider anyone a 'bird brain' ever again! A Question: If there is the possibility of animals like our dogs and cats etc. talking to us, what would we be talking about because it seems to me if Heaven will be perfect there won't be any problem solving necessary? This comment is not meant to be argumentative or troublesome in anyway. I'm just so curious about so much about Heaven. I read Randy Alcorn's book about Heaven....it was a good read. Again, thank you so much Melissa and Clay for this vid😀
@hannahbaker2856
@hannahbaker2856 9 ай бұрын
One really valuable read regarding the theology of heaven and the resurrection is N. T. Wright's Surprised by Hope (title playing off of C. S. Lewis's book Surprised by Joy).
@scottjohnson7569
@scottjohnson7569 9 ай бұрын
Concerning the early question about knowing others in heaven & feeling bad that others are not in heaven: When in heaven your body will be perfect. That is you will want for nothing, need nothing, and understand all that you need to know. Under those circumstances I will not morn for the people that are not in heaven, it will be understood that they are where they want to be ... away from God. My own joy of being in heaven will not be decreased by such thoughts.
@Farmhouselivingroom
@Farmhouselivingroom 9 ай бұрын
I don’t even think we will remember anyone who is not in heaven
@diogenesvii
@diogenesvii 9 ай бұрын
​@@Farmhouselivingroomwe will, they just won't "be called to mind for the former things have passed", this doesn't mean not remembering, it means not remembering with an emotional impact tied to it, it'll just be a memory that has no affect on your happiness then.
@Farmhouselivingroom
@Farmhouselivingroom 9 ай бұрын
Good point! A lot of things are going to change in a sinless body and all tears are wiped away!
@graftme3168
@graftme3168 9 ай бұрын
Actually, the Bible says there will be silence in heaven for half an hour for those who were not saved.
@TexasLyoness
@TexasLyoness 9 ай бұрын
If there is food in Heaven I hope that doesn’t mean we still have to use the bathroom. Those types of bodily functions are things I would prefer to live without.🚽
@antonego7950
@antonego7950 9 ай бұрын
Good video 👍
@jamespembleton2666
@jamespembleton2666 6 ай бұрын
LOL, I love to sing. Singing praises all day works for me!
@sharonpovroznik9600
@sharonpovroznik9600 9 ай бұрын
Thank you for this Melissa, absolutely loved the information and it was extremely well presented.
@JanKrohn
@JanKrohn 9 ай бұрын
"Out-of-Body and Near-Death Experiences: Brain-State Phenomena or Glimpses of Immortality?" by Michael N Marsh, a Christian neurophysiologist. I do like the book by Habermas, but this one was a real eye-opener.
@debbiefischer945
@debbiefischer945 9 ай бұрын
thanks and God Bless❤
@marshaprice8226
@marshaprice8226 9 ай бұрын
Just read Psalm 16:11: “You make known to me the path of life; in Your presence is fullness of joy; at Your right hand are pleasures forevermore.” The psalmist is speaking to God. In His presence sounds like a really wonderful place to be!
@Stephanie-ft9pv
@Stephanie-ft9pv 9 ай бұрын
I also wanna say there is going to be more than just the color white in heaven! There is going to be beautiful colors everywhere, colors that we have never even seen before! And jewels like you said and streets paved in gold!
@pamcornelius9122
@pamcornelius9122 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for this awesome interview. I immediately ordered the book ‘Immortal’ by Dr. Jones after watching this.
@mcfarvo
@mcfarvo 9 ай бұрын
NDEs, much like Exorcisms, I am skeptical of many accounts/claims, but I always hold out that some may be authentic/real
@DBTL3278
@DBTL3278 9 ай бұрын
Also, i would recommend a book called" Deceived by the light", by Doug Groothuis.
@ChildofGod98765
@ChildofGod98765 9 ай бұрын
Jesus, hear my prayers these past three years have been difficult on me I am weak. Give me guidance. Please come back soon I don’t know how much longer I can hold on. As a single parent things are hard on me both of my sons are autistic and my hours to work are limited because I’m now homeschooling them. I’m constantly struggling to provide the basic necessities for them I’m so ashamed. I suffered an heart attack and I’m battling lupus I’m overwhelmed. Lord heal me. Father God hear my prayers. I constantly struggle to pay my bills and struggle to provide groceries. BUT I KEEP FAITH. Even though I want to give up. Jesus please take the fear from my heart. Father God it is you that gives me the strength to keep going. I praise you Father even as I fear homelessness please continue to give me strength.
@Joseph-nh6in
@Joseph-nh6in 9 ай бұрын
God bless you. I pray that things work out for you.
@BIBLE-UNBUTCHERED
@BIBLE-UNBUTCHERED 9 ай бұрын
We will remember based alone on the relatives are mentioned as been seen shortly before ones passing... as in that 'they come to receive them'
@eliz.3212
@eliz.3212 9 ай бұрын
Pretty good👍🏼
@Lezzjam
@Lezzjam 9 ай бұрын
Interesting topics for sure guys and thanks for them. I have heard that heaven will actually be in the “New Jerusalem” and not some place a far off.
@inchristalone25
@inchristalone25 9 ай бұрын
City of Angels got me when I was young, I was going through my parent's divorce at 14 when I saw it and I got sucked in to the emotional aspect of it and listened to the soundtrack every night crying myself to sleep. AWFUL! Yeah, it was evil.
@brittneymartinez5257
@brittneymartinez5257 9 ай бұрын
I would love to hear more about deathbed experiences. My friend is a believer but she’s also a hospice nurse and the experiences her patients have makes her question things and she tends to lean towards universalism. Because someone, who was not a believer, they see angels or their loved ones coming to get them, or they speak of how beautiful things are right before they pass. How can she reconcile that to our beliefs and how should I respond to her?
@HomoEucharistica
@HomoEucharistica 9 ай бұрын
It would be wiser to abstain from responding. Before the last breath, no one is safe from prelest and temptation. Such experiences can be either of God, of demons, or of (dying) human minds. If we are asked to say something on this issue, we can say that everything is in the hands of All-Merciful God.
@ryanrockstarsessom768
@ryanrockstarsessom768 9 ай бұрын
Thank you
@kristinmac4559
@kristinmac4559 9 ай бұрын
My impression was that in heaven we won’t really be aware of the past relationships we had with non-believers. We can’t be sad in heaven, so we won’t be missing people who aren’t there.
@Ac-ip5hd
@Ac-ip5hd 9 ай бұрын
NDE’s covered extensively in The Soul After Death Fr Seraphim Rose. Critique of Jung, Eastern Religion, Swedenborg, out of body experience, discussion of angels and records of NDE’s in the lives of the saints contrasted to new age. Also Protestant NDEs and similar conclusions in some, while many go off the rails.
@JerseyGurl4Life
@JerseyGurl4Life 9 ай бұрын
Great topic. I'm really enjoying it. I'd be so overjoyed that I made it to Heaven I wouldn't care what color it is! And what heaven was all white? I'm sure it would be the most magnificent most spectacular white we had ever laid eyes on, and why? Because GOD had something to do with it.
@canadiankewldude
@canadiankewldude 9 ай бұрын
*_God Bless_*
@NonaNonaNona
@NonaNonaNona 9 ай бұрын
Love your content, Melissa, but love grammar too it's NDEs. No apostrophe.
@sackettfamily4685
@sackettfamily4685 9 ай бұрын
Lol i love that im listening to a video where, "you know you arent dead dead, just near death", over and over!
@kevingeary2072
@kevingeary2072 9 ай бұрын
In the garden of Eden the serpent talked to Eve so I think that gives us the notion that animals in the beginning could talk or at least have the capablity to speak.
@stephaniesilic5446
@stephaniesilic5446 7 ай бұрын
I think of heaven more as a New Kingdom, and a New Earth as well. If our senses obring so much joy and wonder now, it will be unimaginably more so in the “age to come”!!
@desdencove
@desdencove 9 ай бұрын
One thing I don’t understand about heaven/the new earth is God’s omnipresence. God is described as having a throne/throne room and if we count all the people from Adam until the end who will be there, will I have direct access to God? I mean other than praying like I can now, but where I can sit and have a face to face conversation with God? Will there be lesser citizens of heaven who might be further outside the inner circle?
@Yipper64
@Yipper64 9 ай бұрын
1:50 i'd love to know the entomology of the greek or hebrew or whatever it was in this verse, because something tells me it doesnt mean exactly that the memories will be wiped from our minds. Rather I feel like we will have the memories, but they wont matter in the face of eternity with God.
@fugitivemoses7515
@fugitivemoses7515 9 ай бұрын
Wen u listen to occultist and ex-new agers that performed astral projections, their description of their experience bears a very striking resemblance to NDE. This has led me to speculate that perhaps, NDE are just an unmeditated, autonomous kind of astral projection.
@dalex60
@dalex60 9 ай бұрын
Personal testimonies of any kind cannot be considered as evidence or proof for anything, unless they can be demonstrated to others...
@TitusCastiglione1503
@TitusCastiglione1503 9 ай бұрын
How would we do that?
@BIBLE-UNBUTCHERED
@BIBLE-UNBUTCHERED 9 ай бұрын
That's why we're still waiting for "science" to reproduce one single cell, much more so their "meteorite in a pool of soupy water created everything theory"
@jenniferwalsh1731
@jenniferwalsh1731 9 ай бұрын
yes, it is so important to have a life change, heart change, mind transformation! praise Jesus, thank you God!
@gscgold
@gscgold 6 ай бұрын
I remember when that book came out Heaven is real, and everybody was talking about it, including some close family members that are pretty solid in their faith, and to me, it just really didn't seem legit.. I had been, previous to that, in the charismatic movement for almost 2 decades and I was coming out of that movement questioning everything including stories about people going to heaven especially stories about people that supposedly died and went to heaven.
@vintagetalesstudiowithjenn7002
@vintagetalesstudiowithjenn7002 9 ай бұрын
It is white and jewel toned both, but it is unlike the white or the color that we have seen at that level. This current place we are is a place dimly lit.
@robertmueller2023
@robertmueller2023 9 ай бұрын
My new book idea? "Our Fears Were Unfounded". Clarence the Angel appears to me and tells me "But, you did die that night. See". And there I am slumped over the wheel in my crumpled Honda Civic. I thought that we had swerved and avoided that drunk driver, Clarence! I was sure of it. "I die daily" says Paul the Missionary.
@ArtLenLa
@ArtLenLa 9 ай бұрын
Great guest! His talks stretch my mind.
@kenobibryant1637
@kenobibryant1637 9 ай бұрын
Clay Jones! 😮
@karencahill4798
@karencahill4798 9 ай бұрын
But we will have complete joy. So those we thought would be in Heaven and are not. ? We would suffer pain if we were aware of those who aren’t there. I think no one can answer this particular question.
@arphod
@arphod 9 ай бұрын
No one comes to the Father but through Me. God doesn't send people to Hell. The cursed don't care for Him. The damned don't want to be like Him, don't care about what He cares about, don't respond to the incredible love and mercy that shines from Him. How could you not love God? Everything, EVERYTHING good is in His voice, His thoughts are crafted in beauty and majesty and holiness. The fool has said in their heart "there is no God." You will say, "Thy will be done." Or He will say, "Thy will be done."
@liisukka517
@liisukka517 9 ай бұрын
I have had one question for a long time. In heaven there is no pain, no illness etc., right? But there is a tree which gives fruit 12 times a year and it is for healing the nations? It confuces me.
@HomoEucharistica
@HomoEucharistica 9 ай бұрын
Just remember that everything in the book of Revelation has symbolic meaning and does not necessary to be taken so "literally". And as Melissa and many others say, we shouldn't read just one verse but study that verse in its proper context (in this case Rev. 22:1-6). If we understand other things, also the unclear one becomes more clear.
@LeeLee277
@LeeLee277 6 ай бұрын
Regarding NDE’S: to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. 2 Chronicles chapter 5 verse 8 & 9
@BIBLE-UNBUTCHERED
@BIBLE-UNBUTCHERED 9 ай бұрын
NDE's usually aren't biblically accurate
@jeffdowns1038
@jeffdowns1038 9 ай бұрын
Also related, see: Heaven Can't Wait: A Survey of Alleged Trips to the Other Side. William Alnor (Baker 1996)
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