Melodyne • Advanced de-essing

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In this video, Rich demonstrates some advanced de-essing strategies for vocals. This includes extra tips on optimizing the blob display for easier access to all the S’s you want to tame with Melodyne!
00:00 Intro
01:07 What sibilants look like
01:49 How to turn Sibilant Handling on/off
02:11 The basic workflow for balancing the volume of S’s
04:28 Attaching S’s to different words
06:00 How and why to define the sibilant range
07:45 Rebalancing low-level consonants
08:16 How and why to separate sibilants from pitch information
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@zuider77 9 ай бұрын

Melodyne is an amazing tool and Rich does an excellent job of making it accessible and easy to use.

@DanMess 9 ай бұрын

Rich is back with another amazing tutorial!! Thank you for all the awesome, helpful content you make for the melodyne community 🎤

@celemony 9 ай бұрын

Thanks, you’re very welcome.

@Traktor270 4 ай бұрын

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

@SomebodyPickaName 9 ай бұрын

This video also reminded me to go look again at the shortcut key menu since I just picked up a Stream Deck. I've been right-clicking to select the tools but now, I'm going to make a Stream Deck profile that will have the tools on their own buttons, so, single button press vs multi-finger macro or vs right-clicking and then more mouse clicks after that. Stream Deck for the win.

@spikesguitarcamp 12 күн бұрын

This program is the best, and these videos keep teaching me more ways to make it better. I love it when people who have no idea about all these features say...I use autotune.....🤣

@schragemusik 9 ай бұрын

To my way of thinking, these tutororials are just about perfect. A splendid way to find things that I didn't know I didn't know. Many thanks.

@celemony 8 ай бұрын

Glad you like them! 🙂

@vivektyagi6848 9 ай бұрын

Awesome gets to the next level with this precision massaging. 🎉

@polanve 9 ай бұрын

Another excellent video. I love your style!

@briandavidofficial 9 ай бұрын

Super helpful. Thanks Melodyne!

@Mayflower109 9 ай бұрын

Excellent, thank you!! 👏

@danymalsound 9 ай бұрын

KILLER stuff, sir! Next tutorial: "mix an entire song with JUST Melodyne!" :P Cheers!

@bigstewdio 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video. I was always wary of using Melodyne for de-essing because it felt a bit time consuming and also not its intended purpose. However, after struggling with a tricky vocal I turned to Melodyne in desperation and have never looked back. It is hands down the most transparent and quickest way to de-ess a vocal. This and level balancing (totally transparent compression) are two of Melodyne's abilities that I overlooked for years but are now essential parts of my workflow. With that ringing endorsement out of the way I am going to balance it by moaning about Melodyne's user interface for general tuning and vocal editing. I've used it for many years and still struggle every time I come to edit a vocal remembering exactly how to do various things and also getting frustrated by the number of mouse clicks required. Yes, you can assign shortcut keys (I do) but zooming is still a pain and more intelligent and intuitive context-sensitive cursor changing would be really welcome. Still the best vocal editing tool available imho but could do with an interface overhaul.

@Mister_Listener 9 ай бұрын

Oh wow so do i. But. Problems occur because once you de ess one of them, you literally have to tend EVERY SS separately in the whole piece. And i do. You cant just select all and pull down the SS because on select all, it will delete some too much. So I end up policing every SS and it is a lot of work.

@bigstewdio 9 ай бұрын

@@Mister_Listener actually I do select them all and pull down the sibilance to a level where it's working most of the time. I then adjust any individual moments that need less or more. I've spent many hours trying to get de-essers set up so they catch every one perfectly but it's impossible so, for me, it's much quicker to go through and do it with Melodyne and I get better results.

@Mister_Listener 9 ай бұрын

@@bigstewdio thanks for the reply. I end up micromanaging all the ss’s too, i guess i was looking for a shortcut. Maybe i should try to experiment with rolling some of that sssssss off my mic during the session. The sss’s are always huge and melodyne is the best most flexible solution for now.

@Mister_Listener 9 ай бұрын

I am going to find a tutorial on level balancing now thanks to you! Never heard of it! Lol.

@bigstewdio 9 ай бұрын

Hi @@Mister_Listener, pretty sure Rich did one recently on the Melodyne channel but, for me personally, I just "select all", click the levelling macro and then move the sliders towards the middle. It's brilliant when you have overly dynamic vocals where using just compression overly colours the sound. As far as I can tell, the Melodyne algorithm doesn't colour the sound or change the attack/release of each note so you can leave all that to the compressor of your choice.

@srwaite7 9 ай бұрын

These videos are great. You might want to have a magnifier so we can more easily see the buttons your are clicking on. Just a friendly suggestion for future vids 🤓

@woodenbeast9337 9 ай бұрын

very nice. If I ever get my presonus account fixed on my new win 11 I will install my melodyne version

@soulinspiration1 7 ай бұрын

Great video. I grabbed studio version during recent Black Friday sale and searching KZfaq to see how to use it.

@celemony 7 ай бұрын

Excellent, thanks for purchasing Melodyne studio. Look around our KZfaq channel for more videos and tutorials. If you need assistance or have any questions, our support team will be happy to help. 🙂

@soulinspiration1 7 ай бұрын

@@celemony ok thx

@Mrjacharles 8 ай бұрын

Gotta love a guy who knows his stuff. ^.^

@mikebooth9619 5 ай бұрын

I use Melodyne a lot but every time I watch your videos, I find an easier way to do what I've been doing. Guess I should've watched all of them first. Oops🙂

@celemony 4 ай бұрын

Yes, we have lots of videos to discover in our KZfaq channel. 😎 Thanks for your comment!

@musicbyjmcx 9 ай бұрын

helpful!

@brianmartin7710 9 ай бұрын

My Problem when moving the Separation or the Point of Sibilant is that there is no acoustic or visual feedback to find the correct position. you have to guess where the right point is. A scrubber tool or a real waveform view would help here. Or do I miss something here? Any Idea Rich?

@SomebodyPickaName 9 ай бұрын

From what I understood, you basically click just to initialize the line, but then step 2 is to drag it into the correct position. I hear you and agree with you though that it would be better to have a vertical hover line prior to the initial click, which would help get the correct position in step 1 vs relying on step 2.

@internetdude01 9 ай бұрын

Love your videos Rich! On the FL Studio forums the devs said that you guys had been talking about implementing ARA into FL. Any news on this? Maybe some hints? ;)

@celemony 8 ай бұрын

Well, we’re not the FL developers, so we can’t implement anything into their program code. 😉 Also, we have no clue about their plans for new features or their agenda. Could you please ask them directly?

@gullcreekstudio1391 9 ай бұрын

Love melodyne...but couldn't you just do this faster with clip gain/reduce on the waveform parts in the daw.

@SomebodyPickaName 9 ай бұрын

You could, but then you'd have to manually tell the DAW where each sibilant vowel is by cutting manually, vs this which uses its algorithm to determine the sibilance for you. Then its simply a matter of using a hotkey to select the sibiliance balance tool, then quickly run through and reduce all of the pre-determined esses or whatnot. But you're right though - that's how we've had to do it for decades. Both require manual labor of going through each one, but this way prevents you from having to manually cut the event/clip/section in the DAW.

@celemony 8 ай бұрын

If you know that you want to tame all sibilants in a vocal track, for example, you could even select all notes and apply the Sibilant Balance tool to all of them simultaneously! No need to go through each note individually to check where the sibilants are. It’s really as fast and convenient as can be.

@TheRTM 3 ай бұрын

I'm having an issue with Melodyne. I don't have or can't see the Tempo window??? Did I accidentally toggle it off?? Can someone help me figure this out??

@celemony 3 ай бұрын

Please contact our Tech Support team, they will be happy to help: www.celemony.com/support

9 ай бұрын

Why sometimes Melodyne cause artifacts on these s sounds? How do I stop that - Im using assistant in Studio One 5 Pro. The artifactc occur after bouncing and resemble phasing effect on these "s"

@celemony 8 ай бұрын

Hello, please feel free to write to our support team, they will be happy to help: www.celemony.com/support

@ScottThePisces 8 ай бұрын

use the cut tool to separate the s sounds from the actual notes, then leave them alone when tuning

8 ай бұрын

@@ScottThePiscesyeah thats reasonable but its not how it should be... I wait for the smarter alogrithm

@celemony 8 ай бұрын

You don’t have to separate S's from the rest. Melodyne does it automatically for you and only tunes the parts that have pitch information. At least that’s how it works in Melodyne 5. Do you perhaps still have an older Melodyne version?

8 ай бұрын

@@celemony thank you for your reply! I own Melodyne 5 assistant. Perhaps this feature is avaliable in the upgrade?

@GTSongwriter 8 ай бұрын

Is there a way to draw in our own lines ?

@celemony 8 ай бұрын

No, there’s no pencil tool in Melodyne.

@GTSongwriter 8 ай бұрын

@@celemony is there a way to add or remove vibrato?

@celemony 7 ай бұрын

You can remove vibrato with the Pitch Modulation tool. You can also exaggerate existing vibrato with the same tool, however there is no dedicated tool to add new vibrato. As a workaround, you could split a longer note into several small segments and move them up and down alternately to mimic a vibrato. In combination with the Pitch Transition tool, this can make for a very convincing vibrato.

@GTSongwriter 7 ай бұрын

@@celemony is there plans to add a draw tool, so that you can draw any line?

@celemony 7 ай бұрын

@@GTSongwriter Our support guys might know more, if you feel like sending them a message.

@Caotic3 9 ай бұрын

Rich is a hottie 😍

@gregormarini 5 ай бұрын

Your speech sounds pretty distorted! How can you do tutorials about vocal editing and not be able to deliver a decent sounding voice?

@user-iw6cz8bm6g 9 ай бұрын

A very illogical way of working with sibilants. It was quite enough to adjust the sibilants to plus or minus, regardless of the main sound. Personally, when I want to edit sibilants, I carefully trim the sibilant and change its volume (it is independent of the main sound). This video explains for a long time what should be done in one click. That is, selecting only sibilants and adjusting their volume. Good luck to the development team and sympathy for the Teacher, because he himself understands that a simple action has to be performed through many complex ones.

@celemony 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for your comment. It’s actually easier to tame sibilants with Melodyne than with other programs, because you don’t have to manually separate the sibilants from the rest. This is exactly what Melodyne is doing for you automatically. You only have to grab the Sibilant Balance tool and move it up or down on the note. This video here explains a few more advanced scenarios, that’s why it might seem complicated to you, but the simple de-essing task is actually done in a few seconds. Have you tried it out?

@user-iw6cz8bm6g 8 ай бұрын

@@celemony Thanks for the advice, I have nothing against an advanced scenario, but I try to do it myself according to a less advanced version. It's more convenient for me.

@SomebodyPickaName 9 ай бұрын

Public confession: I was trained to use Melodyne before the sibilant balance tool was a feature....and so I've been doing it manually, not even knowing that this was a feature. Oops...lol...

@DanielaTocan 8 ай бұрын

Ich habe es gekauft aber nutze es nicht weil die Videos in Englisch sind. Vor einem halben Jah habe ich das bemängelt. Nichts ist passiert. Ist ne Schande finde ich für eine deutsche Firma. Nebenbei ich bin Rumänin.

@celemony 8 ай бұрын

Hallo Daniela, danke für den Kommentar. Neben den Videos haben wir auch ein umfangreiches Melodyne-Handbuch, Artikel und Tutorials in unserem Helpcenter, das es auch auf Deutsch gibt: helpcenter.celemony.com. Die Videos lassen sich auf KZfaq außerdem mit automatisch übersetzten Untertiteln ansehen, das funktioniert erstaunlich gut. Vielleicht hilft das schon mal weiter. 🙂

@DanielaTocan 8 ай бұрын

@@celemony nein hilft nicht weiter. Wie gesagt, die Materie ist komplex. Ich habe es letzte Weihnachten angekündigt und nichts ist passiert. Also habe ich Euch leider von der Blackfryday und Weihnachtsliste gestrichen. Ist außerdem recht umständlich. Ich lehne Lizenzen wie iLok rigoros ab. Es ist auf meinem Hackintosh installiert ein Jahr nie genutzt als ich es beim Mastern auf meinem Netzwerkserver nutzen wollte, da stand die Lizenz im Weg. Es ist äußerst unbequem zu handeln. Bei mir liegen die Sachen auf einem NAS Das halt mehrere Xeon CPUs und 1,5 Terrabyte an RAM hat und mit 40 GBe Netzwerk angebunden ist. Da sind eigentlich nur die Sachen von Native Instruments ähnlich sperrig.

@DanielaTocan 8 ай бұрын

@@celemony meine Anwendung wäre Dialog und Voice over. Zumindest vorwiegend. Und die Daw, die ich benutze auch für Musik ist Davinci Resolve. Ich habe zwar auch Cubase Pro 12 und Nuendo aber das ist eher eine Nebensache. Kurz alle Rohdaten liegen auf dem NAS Proxmox Server oder einem UnRaid Server. und mit der Netzwerkgeschwindigkeit ist mehr als genug

@celemony 8 ай бұрын

Hallo Daniela. Melodyne hat zwar eine iLok-Option, aber sie ist nicht zwingend. Es gibt auch eine computer-basierte Aktivierung. Davinci Resolve ist nicht wirklich eine DAW und wurde von uns auch nicht mit Melodyne getestet. Cubase und Nuendo sollten aber problemlos funktionieren. Zu der Frage mit dem Netzwerkrechner kann unser Support möglicherweise weiterhelfen: www.celemony.com/support

@DanielaTocan 8 ай бұрын

@@celemony Es geht nicht als VST. Davinci Resolve ist eine DAW. Ich komponiere und arbeite damit. Nicht jeder möchte bunte Bauklötze durch die Gegend schieben. Wie gesagt, Ich wurde schon öfters gefragt aus dem Umfeld Davinci Resolve und mein Urteil heißt wegen fehlender deutschen Videoerklärungen nutze ich es nicht. Und mein Hinweis, dass es kein Problem ist deutsche Videos zu machen ist trotz des extrem hohen Preises seit einem Jahr kein Thema.