Here’s to hoping his efforts inspire more people of integrity to run for office.

i guess im randomly asking but does someone know of a way to get back into an Instagram account..? I stupidly forgot the password. I appreciate any tricks you can offer me.

@Shepard Zane instablaster ;)

there is a bernie sanders in every generation

At least the homeowner class of boomers

It can always get worse, brother

Meta they would not. Voting is much easier that organizing. If you cannot get people to vote than they aren’t gonna do shit for any organization. I mean come on.

@@Ryan-yj8eu Its not always about whats easy-those who organize and dont vote might just have no faith in the political system. And can you blame them?

@@Ryan-yj8eu voting is NOT easier than organizing for some people and in some communities.

i think the best way to reach people who arent poltically activated is to just talk to people about it. dont be overtly political, but talking about whats humane and how what we have isnt working and we need something new is a great start

So cool reading this in 2022, Heather. And isn’t it fascinating who the “Progressive Caucus” chose instead of Nina Turner. Shame.

Same here. I feel like the media stole my youth I was made to be so terrified of tump when he was a tenth as bad W.

Cringe.

@Xela Flow that's not my point, the point is that we don't disappate or make the rights and libs think that we have given up

@Xela Flow we are getting there, considering how quickly things are escalating.

no.

@@heraclitusblacking1293 based

The 2020 general election has just confirmed that the American empire is in its last phase.

Yes. People are expecting too much if they think Sanders alone could undo decades of anti-socialist indoctrination.

Everyone just wait 20 years while the oceans displace half of all living humans so we can vote one demsoc into congress!! Electoralism is surely good and worth pursuing

There’s a massive difference between Biden and Trump. You are an idiot if you don”t see that. Just on judicial appointments alone

@@tripp8833 wrong

@@tripp8833 The SCOTUS is already lost. after 5-4 it means precisely dick to replace anyone but a conservative. You can thank Obama for that by the way.

tripp this line doesn’t work get a new slant dummy

John Bowden Are you kidding, this podcast is what’s giving me depression. I’ve never listened to anything so dour in my life.

As someone from the same end of the Midwest as the two of them, I kinda see both sides, but sadly Matt's kind of right: as someone who canvased for Bernie and purposely asked to go to the black neighborhoods in my town, I can tell you that the noone around here wants to bother anymore as all the older people grew up post both Kennedy's getting popped and lost relatives to the Vietnam war, the Gen Xers watched crack and aids run rampant and the only response was to basically fund harsher policing and harsher sentencing, and no jobs brought in. And my generation already knows our deal. The Midwest knows it too well as the only reason you hear horror stories of CPD and Detroit PD as bad as they are is that the crime bill gave more Federal funding to cops than they EVER did jobs or job training, then wondered why everyone gave up. I can't make a living legally without eventually being crippled, becoming addicted to painkillers or just dying, but I sell even an ounce of weed and guys are losing 2 decades of their lives in Wayne county jail

Yeah I liked Amber's point but she hadn't thought through enough what she was trying to say, it's why she's a better writer than a podcaster. Matt was too harsh.

@@Child_of_the_lie neither were bad in delivery. Again, I'm biased as I have grown up knowing people like them, so neither phase me. Hell, amber reminds me of 3 of my exes lol. But I do love her writing. Matt...trust me, I'd rather deal with him loud and passionate than soft libs on podcasts like rod from the black guy who tips

1:13:10

Lol y’all never had it. Bernie was only popular in urban leftist bubbles like NYC and LA.

No moment was missed. Bernie seized on an the increasingly pissed off attitude working class people have about the government. We have seen more labor strikes this year than any in the recent past, labor organizing is surging, socially democratic and communist parties have seen surging membership since 2020. The material conditions have existed since 2008 to make a real case for class solidarity. Bernie was a result of this. We are IN the moment, and if the working class can organize and mobilize outside of electoral politics then we can start affecting real change.

​@@Janon48 That isnt true in the slightest.

larllarfleton even us Americans?

larllarfleton I always wanted to live in a commune.

contact info lol

@LLCool Jay That's my point. He was a Senator for how long? And he didn't eventually realise that "hey, I'm probably never going to achieve anything, because the establishment won't let me". He must have known the odds going in, but kept on going anyway. I admire his perseverance, and Corbyn's. I guess he did succeed in changing the discourse a bit, by making universal healthcare a mainstream talking point. But how long will it be, I wonder, before the DNC stops talking about it? Maybe it'll still be a big talking point during the next election cycle. I don't know.

@@lewiswhatley687 the danger there is comparing Corbyn and Sanders. They come from radically different systems.

Its less hate and more criticism of how they handle Bernie dropping out. Some people who align more with Jimmy Dore are more critical of Bernie and his "Friend," Joe Biden.

It's the naivete to think that Sanders ever had a chance. The rich (who own the mainstream media and who were all in for Biden) were never going to let it happen. And Chapo believe the election numbers (the voters didn't come out for Bernie)...

Yeah and?

everyone's a hypocrite sometimes. nobody knows what future circumstances will force them in when anyone says anything

Its a podcast, they are regular people (with some patreon money) and the woman is call Amber

@@blackcat1642 _... they are regular people (with some patreon money) ..._ Lol.

nah, don't fixate on something as the sole reason or even the primary reason. Be materialist and understand how completely weighted against him the whole thing was.

Honestly, take a moment to grieve because that's understandable in the circumstances, then go listen to some people who aren't being defeatist and fixating on presidential elections as the be all and end all of politics. And join an organisation. Do what you can to help people around you get through the pandemic. Prepare in case of a general strike, just in case. This isn't the end unless we all allow it to be the end.

Yep, join an org if you can, they're not perfect but it's better than online slactivism. And keep in mind the quarantine and global pandemic is melting everyone's brains, it's hard to think straight.

There's a lot more to politics than presidential elections- which are the most rigged shit in American politics. The fact we made the DNC panic as much as they did speaks to their weakness overall. Join an org and radicalize as many people as you can and support candidates where you can. I say leftists still need to aim big and try to run presidential candidates or be spoilers for Dem candidates if at all possible because what the DNC wants is for leftists to retreat from that space- but local work is still valuable.

Yeah, this shit does indeed suck. We live in a declining empire in the era of a declining planet, industrialization has run its course and the social framework past generations relied on has been atomized beyond measure. The reality is electoralism isn't going to work to bring about a revolution on its own. Join a local organizing group, Amber may have said they're low stakes, but they impact lives and people around you in measurable material ways. Unionize a workplace, seed bomb an empty lot, pour sugar into the concrete of gentrifiers (in Minecraft). Make little baby steps in ways you can. It might not lead us to paving DC into a new Red Square, but it will make 1) people measurably better in meaningful ways and 2) apply your rage and anger in meaningful ways through mutual aid. It is up to us to work for and build the left coalition we need, and maybe political systems aren't the most efficient way to achieve that. That coalition building isn't going to happen in weeks, months, or even years. We're fighting a uphill battle that makes Sisyphus look like a bitch, but we gotta roll that ball up the fucking hill if we want anything to get better.

lewis whatley I was saying the same thing, the bbc just kept repeating the same rhetoric without any specifics... it definitely felt like a conspiracy to me, and some MPs in the Labour Party fed the fire to undermine JC.

And your point about Johnson is also very curious. There’s a multitude of videos of Boris Johnson dropping embarrassing racist gaffes... but for him it’s fine, apparently.

It's pretty goddam terrifying how easily the news media can simply repeat obvious bullshit and have it believed. Orwell was wrong about the need for the memory hole. Carefully covering up your lies? No need. Just put some slapdick morons on the TV to say it's actually fine that the station you're watching right now lied to you for months. Job done. I don't know how to get around it.

The Labour antisemitism thing was real because of idpol, in other words, you have no right idea to say the antisemitism is bollocks if you're not Jewish. Yes I'm being sarcastic.

What happened with Virgil?

Nobody knows, he just left abruptly and no explanation was given, It's too bad

@@fillyjamalama5201 really? I heard he was having computer issues or something, so can't do remote work, what can anybody know? Saying that, I thought Amber and Matt were going to fall out during this episode.

What happened?

I heard Virgil died of vaping?

Tommorow always comes after the dark.

KingOfShenanigan Thanks, Pete.

I know it sucks, but this was always the likely outcome. If nothing else, spite is a good motivator. Keep fighting so you can spit in the face of all the ghouls that are working to keep you and everyone else from having a better life.

When was it in your hands? He was always getting ratfucked if his campaign caught on, that by definition means you never had any impact.

Hawkins isn't even the nominee yet. Please take a look at Dario Hunter. Hawkins has some big foreign policy red flags

Hawkins sucks. I liked Stein well enough but Hawkins foreign policy is dem nonsense (see russia and syria)

4 more years of MSM screeching at Trump might do more to raise civilian awareness of American evil than 8 years of a "back to brunch" liberal.

Bad Timing IMO. Could have the 420 Episode at 4/20

@@HugoStiglitz1942 TRUUUUUE

That wouldn’t outweigh the pharma money. It just wouldn’t. Bernie did plenty of establishment butt-kissing: John McCain was my friend, Joe is my friend, lots of empty idpol rhetoric, lots of dumb Trump alarmism, etc. If anything that was the problem. He made himself sound like an ultra-liberal Democrat, rather than an independent socialist. To a casual bystander, he didn’t stand apart.

There's a line from the French Wars of Religion where King Henry the Good said, "Paris is worth a mass." That is if what the French people want is a Catholic king, then I'll convert, because I want to be king. If you want to be president, stuff like wearing a stupid t-shirt seems like a small thing.

@Django Fett Eh

As a short guy who despises war, Kucinich has been an idol of mine for quite a while.

the "Keebler" part is important to include; dude don't look much like Legolas, after all. holy shit, I wonder if he and Jeff Sessions live in the same tree

@@ernestpaulin6052 *odd_couple_theme.aiff

@@TerrenceNowicki does anyone know what is up with that? Like how did that happen? I've wondered for years.

@@justcommenting4981 According to Mrs. Kucinich, she was so moved by an anti-war essay he wrote that it made her want to date him.

I believe the Chapos have been very clear on this. If you have any questions, you're not supposed to just type them in a KZfaq comment section. All questions comments and hate mail are supposed to be sent directly to Virgil Texas and his email address. Thank you.

@@julymagnus493 If you can't answer my question why reply? You seem stupid tbh.

pipefx64 This is all we do on the left: fight with each other. As it always has been and always will be.

Yeah politics is when everyone gets along

@@jonsmustache7704 well, consider WHY we fight: as a non white leftist, the reason we, black leftists have mistrust is that we are often a 3rd (at best tier) concern, proof in how Uganda was abandoned when dealing with the entebee hostage crisis. In America, the black leftists were MORE than ready to have it out with the cops as we'd known for years you guys could tap out and they'd leave you be like what happened with the weather underground after they helped mutulu Shakur, a GREAT teacher in dealing with the micro problems of capitalisms oppression of poor people and how they racialize it. The problem today is that the left as far as race goes is honestly shit. Maybe the reason the trotskyists were so popular and even brought in converts from maoism is because the rest of the left wanted to be Scandinavia, which everyone forgot was willing to join the Nazis just to not die. By comparison, both China AND the Soviets were WELL prepared to sacrifice huge numbers of their people for it's cause. Meanwhile, even the tankies have a valid critique that much of the left here is too busy trying to force a fundamentally corrupt system to change. It's like with Cuba: they refuse to play ball with pharmaceutical companies, so they'll litterally smuggle the drugs they need over. At this point, why aren't we at that point? Why aren't we ready to undercut the government outright and fight back IF WE NEED TO? Medicare 4 all isn't gonna come from top. You might have to resort to a few commie doctors and people willing to steal A LOT of medical supplies. *Shrugs*

a taste of bass Politics is a choice between deadlock or compromise. It’s a pluralistic system which relies on the mediation of conflicting views.

@@jonsmustache7704 ...or be willing to stop negotiating and take power. The right is MORE than ready to, is the left ready to stop them?

She got them tig ol bitties

by the time she's of age the world will be over

I agree. We *know* that if trump gets four more years, he’ll very likely get at least one more chance to put someone on the Supreme Court. If that happens, he WILL put a raging psycho/psychos in there. If/when that happens, it’s over. A deeply conservative Supreme Court will block anything any future progressive leader tries to do. And that’s just one of the reasons to dig deep and oppose trump.

@earth ocean I can agree with the sentiment of "fuck Joe Biden" but at the same time he will be pressured to put justices forth that will pander to the liberal wing of the party. They will protect corporations before people but they wont let things like legalized LGBT discrimination happen. Which is at least something to fight for

that didn't quite age well

Exactly, he was always some closeted labour Zionist. Electoralism always a reminder that there are safeguards within the system to protect itself. In the first world, it will "softly" undermine any candidates with media, smear campaigns or outright election fraud, just like those bogf##ers on the British Isles did. . And even if you win (let's say in the third world).you get CIA bankrolled massacre of leftists and neoliberal faciam so CONGRATS EITHER WAY. We have seen how seen how this system works many times. Let's be under no illusion and just see it for what it is

Tough guy with the hardass take 3 years later

virgil texas was the one saying halfway point, and he's not on this episode. Most of the others have known Sanders was going to loose anyway

Listen to this: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hM9glqWjvKmdaYE.html They were all saying it

@@blackcat1642 there is nothing wrong with being optimistic when theres still a chance of victory, even if youve assessed the reality of the situation and that chance is exceedingly slim. chapo were basically giving the pre battle hype speech like you see in the movies where the good guys are hopelessly outnumbered, and it inspires the troops to win. except here in the real world, the good guys got owned i figured the sanders campaign was fucked when all the other corporatist scumbags dropped out and endorsed uncle joe right before super tuesday, since it showed that the dnc was willing to go scorched earth in their efforts to defeat it. but i still kept hope that maybe he could pull out a hail mary pass. oh well, sucks to suck

This is about the only serious campaign criticism. He should have tried to reach out to the others that at least shared some aspect of his vision. He still would have lost, but at least the strength of the remaining coalition would have been greater. Ultimately, Democratic voters are too well disciplined, and obey corporate media too religiously. The corporate machine has to be attacked like Jon Stewart did to FoxNews. That is not something that can be done in a campaign cycle. It would need to be an on going project.

Lol, tulsi is part of a anti gay cult. She's a nut

Apparently 2020 was the last year that Medicare or Medicaid could be significantly expanded or something. It's just a bizarre way of thinking. There is no final victory or defeat. The thing just continues. The collapse narrative is also silly.

@@paulocesarferraro5722 Absolutely!! of course, if trump gets any more psychos on the supreme court, it won't matter who wins in 2024, 2028 etc. They'll be able to block anything a progressive candidate tries to do. Elections matter and sitting them out is just not a luxury America can afford.

The leftibros are defeated because people like you still want to try and beg the system to give in when really it needs to be destroyed. But we won't because people like you are afraid what nihilism creates: fatalism, which could bring things down

Colonel Covid Gaddafi And radicals like you don’t realize you’ll never get sizeable support for revolution until the individual cost for revolution becomes less then the cost of the status quo. As long as the majority of people aren’t dying of starvation, they will not overthrow capitalism. Because you’re asking them to risk their lives for a hypothetically better future. Never mind one which has failed to materialize in past efforts. Read Gordon Tullock’s Paradox of Revolution.

@Django Fett tell that to my cousins in Vietnam. Again, this is how I know your all just white libs. The system hasn't crushed you like they've done MY family (were Algerian, my great uncle had kids by a Vietnamese maoist)

@@jonsmustache7704 again, it's not bad FOR YOU, MY people however, should have risen up LONG ago, but all the annoying black libs like van Jones and Michael Eric Dyson keep us in check. Eventually, all they're gonna do is cause a black strausserite uprising, which would be SHIT

Colonel Covid Gaddafi Look I don’t doubt that Algeria is a hellhole of inequality and primed for revolution, and in such a case, all the power to you. But this is a podcast about a United States democratic primary, and so when people like myself say revolution isn’t a feasible solution, we mean so in the context of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and other similar western nations. Because Yknow that’s the whole topic of the podcast.

I'm only 20min in and I can't count the number of times she's contradicted herself.

She takes so long to get to an actual point...and when she gets there it's so obvious anyway, why did it take you 5 minutes to get there?

I dont know what you are talking about it think she was brilliant in this one

@Clifford your big red God well, for her to not get you stuck with insufferable people like Jamie Peck

She slows the whole tempo down to say nothing of value

Thank you. I'm really sick of the comparisons too.

John Fallon I agree Bernie has a mass movement behind him, Corbin had a bunch of middle class trustafarians behind him

The Tories have doomed Great Britain to breaking up.

Hello🖐️

This aged well

What else is he supposed to do pull a Guaido and declare hinself the nominee?

Me too thanks

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The GOP has outright stated, in no uncertain terms and with absolute clarity, that they will forever reject any attempts by a Democratic President to nominate a court justice. Biden has a history of confirming conservative judges, and he’s a student of the game enough to know that’s the only way he’ll ever get even an iota of a chance at getting whatever gutted, concession-filled bill he wants through the Senate. The courts are a fucking sham and have been since Obama got court-cucked by McConnell and co five years ago. Electing Biden won’t change a motherfucking thing in that regard, so stop getting your hopes up. EDIT: Also, the GOP doesn’t need to worry about kneecapping progressives, That’s what their “opposition” is for.

Not just the supreme court but federally appointed judges across the country

Hopefully the Democrats will gain the Senate and can do to Trump what McConnell's Senate did to Obama. But they probably wouldn't. Democrats rarely fight full on dirty like the Republicans do.

@@fyt54321 unless its against a progressive candidate in their own ranks

Why are liberal morons wasting their time in here? You realize chapo listeners may be the least receptive demographic to this idiotic argument. If you want Biden to win you should be nailing the doors shut to old folks homes so they don’t all get infected with coronavirus.

Caps lock spaz

like, that's like, yer opinion man.

Its not a big deal

OP is a masterclass example of a person who has never had any real problem to worry about.

Who cares?

Lol, the bernie faction *DON'T* want pedophile elites and there isn't a single person who embeaces libertarian policy and *ISN'T* obsessed with fucking kids

Absolutely is.

What's more minute?

For other forms of engaging in electoral politics it might be debatable, but as far as voting itself is concerned it is very obviously correct.

It is the _minimum_ yes, but Matt is (again) being a moron by suggesting you do not do it.

He's correct, though. It is the bare minimum you have to do to participate in democracy. It would require more effort to organize, do mutual aid/direct action, or volunteer for a candidate. Voting is the first step, but as a result you can't expect world shifting change because all you did was cast a vote.

Biden will be replaced at the convention because "his brains no worky."

We all remember the Obama Biden green new deal

I'm sorry, but how exactly is this supposed to make a case for Biden? Please keep in mind that Biden himself and the people he surrounds himself with have a multi-decade track record of ideological committment to not meaningfully addressing the climate issue (apart from using it as an empty campaign talking point ofc). Trump, on the other hand, has just proven himself to be too incompetent, too lazy and profoundly disinterested in any type of major legislative endeavour and to approach this particular subject in a completely non-ideological, i.e. purely instrumental fashion. He also has a relatively strong incentive to change his stance on the matter (as a cheap way of garnering sufficient additional voter support) and is significantly less likely to lull the people who care the most / are in positions to do anything about the issue into total complacency. So, if anything, this is actually making a case for Trump - that is, without taking into account the minor differences in foreign policy (regarding trade volumes and military committments in the Asia-Pacific region) which alone could easily neutralize the effects of any 'Green New Deal'-type policy Biden might come up with.

Biden has an F minus rating from several environmental groups. The environment is totally screwed either way jimothy. That's what is so depressing about this election...

they live in New York it would’ve been a pointless game

It wasn't an awful campaign, that's mythology. Fact of the matter is, campaigns don't matter if Barack Obama and The Media are behind you.

Geez. Heaven forbid people try and have a bit of hope. At the time, it really looked like he had a chance. Nothing wrong with that.

​@@mrbadguysan ok so running for president was a waste of time then because no one ever thought The Media and Obama would get behind Bernie.

@@SchutzBoysband you could argue that The Establishment would have done anything to stop Bernie, but the way we got here wasn't obvious. 1) It was not certain that Klobb, Mayor Pete, and Bloomberg would drop out at Obama's command. If any of them kept going, Biden would be screwed. 2) it wasn't obvious that Warren wouldn't endorse. Even The Sanders Campaign was surprised. 3) we all knew Republicans were brainwashed by Fox. It wasn't obvious that CNN and MSNBC could make a loser like Biden electable. 4) it was really astonishing how resistant older black voters were to Bernie. 5) COVID-19 happened.

​@@cow_tools_ raising hope for something that was never going to happen (as Chapo has repeatedly said since Bernie effectively lost) is a terrible idea.