No progressive cares about pronouns that much that was the immediate tip off. Conservatives genuinely don't understand pronouns huh

So I believe in equal access to all pronouns, actually, Sam, what if I had a wand and could magically pass three laws and then in ten years you could magically undo anything, does that sound like a good idea? Actually, let's start over. Sam, am I a hate speech? Are you against debtors prison. I know a lot of Hispanic people who like Trump. No this isn't personal. I know a lot of women that are bad!

He sounds like a conservative whose only interaction with liberals/"the left" is from Babylon Bee articles. It's impressive to see how confident they are about it as if they infiltrated some enemy fort, just say pronouns and dress your conservative positions in progressive language, not the first time I've seen this

he has a very superficial idea of what it means to be progressive

Dude’s entire tone was “I’m setting a rhetorical trap” in the beginning

Glad you feel seen.

😂😂😂

😂😂😂

I adore that some people are so dumb that they think they can pass themselves off by using some terms they think are "liberal" and repeating it several times without applying ANY of the actual ideology of equality or progressiveness in their nonsensical, completely self-centered belief they want to share with the world. Really, we should encourage it and never let them on that we can see through it, it makes life easier and more entertaining.

All the pronouns!

We give women the right to not have children if they don't want to. Why are people angry at the idea of men having that same choice?

@@greywolf7577men make the choice during conception

@@greywolf7577you can’t force someone to have a child they don’t want and you can’t force someone to hang an abortion. sorry, but that’s the reality of it. as sam explained, no it’s not completely fair. but there’s a lot that isn’t fair on the burden of the woman. it’s the biological reality.

@MsCameraMan75 Right. He's talkin' like the guy in the situation couldn't have taken steps beforehand to keep a pregnancy from occurring.

@@greywolf7577 I assume you are a huge proponent of male birth control then? If men were also on the pill they'd have a lot less to worry about, esp if they double up with condoms, yea? That and vasectomies will always be where your control lies, because once a someone is pregnant it's about body autonomy and you won't get a say, which is more than fair.

We allow women to decide not to have children if they don't want to. Why shouldn't men have the same choices?

@greywolf7577 They can, by keeping it in their pants.

​@matthews8576 this is literally the pro life argument

@@haraldisdead ?

@@greywolf7577thats why we need male birth control and full reproductive rights for women.

I know, I keep laughing over and over at the logic of this.

At first I thought the guy wanted fathers to force mothers to have an abortion - yeah that’d reduce fatherless kids alright but wow. Not sure that’s ultimately his idea though but I failed to see how his ideas reduce fatherless kids

@@SirVarnish I thought he was going to say to force the man to take a dna test and then make him be involved with the child. It took me a while to realize he was talking about child support.

​​​@@SirVarnish this is exactly what he wants ... the "right" to force his partners to terminate pregnancies. He openly says as much over the course of the call. Some one should tell him it's faster, easier, and more ethical to just get "the snip". (It's reversible too)

@@JP-JustSayin Real talk though bro. There are women out there who do fucked up shit involving pregnancy. I do not have kids. I havent gotten any women pregnant. But I had this one girl literally pull a condom out of the trash and put my cum in her and try to get pregnant. Luckily it didnt work. And luckily it happened when I was young. So I became a lot more guarded about accidental pregnancies. I think its very important for people to call a spade a spade. Some women take advantage of the power that they have. And its okay for men to complain about it when it happens to them. They arent monsters for complaining about it.

He doesn't way to support ANY beebs he creates because he wants to screw anyone he can without taking any responsibility for pregnancy prevention.

And he doesn't know how to use a condom.

"Oh and btw this is somehow better for the child"

Yeah, but his FUCKING arm tho

@@alexanderbatrakov1257 🤣🤣🤣

I think the very dumb explanation would be that women wouldn't trap men with pregnancy if they knew they weren't going to get this massive windfall of child support. The guy's hatred of women demands that he sees them as calculating and grasping, rather than being put in a bad situation. He sort of looked as though he was getting to it but backed off to discuss this instead, but I suspect he was going to say he was in support of men "making the choice" to end the pregnancy, which can only happen when the man wants the pregnancy to end and the woman does not. He seems either completely ignorant of the differing circumstances that men and women face in this situation or he doesn't believe they matter; which of course means that he thinks men should be able to get what they want regardless of what the woman wants.

@@cwhitney1972 In states where abortion is legal, women are able to get what they want as far as having a child regardless of what the man wants. How is that more fair? The best solution is to legally require abortion for ALL pregnancies unless BOTH parents want a child. That would give equal choice to everyone and would mean that all children have a loving two parents. It's really sad how many people feel that giving men the same options as women is somehow hurting women. It does remind me of the phrase "losing privilege feels like oppression to the privileged person".

@@greywolf7577you know you’re talking about forcing someone to get an abortion right?

@@greywolf7577 The problem ends up being that you're requiring gov't oversight into the reproduction of *all* families. Forcing the gov't to monitor all females for pregnancy and forcing abortion upon them if they don't put in legal paperwork proving mutual consent to child-rearing. The amount of overhead is excessive even if your stance was morally correct (which I have the sneaking suspicion that it isn't given the whole... legal *requirement* of abortion). A better solution I think, would be the abolition of paternity-based child support, and then instating subsidies for single-parents (perhaps even a UBI for single mothers and fathers, so that they can focus on raising their kids). Essentially making *everyone* pay for child support, and just taking it from our tax dollars instead of holding a man severely responsible for what could have been an accident (condoms break and nothing but abstinence is 100% effective, and some women find abortion inherently morally wrong, causing them to carry when they don't want to).

​@greywolf7577 that's insane.

I was raised by a woman by herself well not raised but kept hard too explain but you single girls need men in the house your raising haters and then bitch about the result...like because it's too much your raised in stress and emotional incest f that quit raising kids by yourself please every every every every one on this planet 🌏.

Why tf do you have to say "n*tting". God, for f*cks sake. My phone screen is clicking on itself and I guess decides to click on the one ptsd triggering comment. Anything s*xual, mainly slang, is triggering. So it's like a slap to the face and a really bad jumpscare. And also anger, because one, this happened and two, I'm tired of having this issue with words.

Huh???😂😂😂

Imagine thinking that the same degree of risks are involved with carrying a child for 9 months then giving birth and having sex.

You get decide for both of us if the child lives or dies. I am on the hook for one of those decisions fianancially. Your body your choice. My money my choice.

i missed that. incredible.

Uncle Sam, the metrosexual sniper.

@@whramijg 22:46

Thanks. I couldn’t hear exactly what Sam said then cos the guy’s voice was turning into Jordan Peterson’s, just with more hysteria.

The way I cackled like a witch when this happened omg

See, he thinks that taking away resources and options from women will force them to do what the man wants in the first place. So if men can reliably manipulate women into abortions again their will, there's no fatherlessness!

Men "logic" 🍵

Either that or he's advocating for forcing women to have abortions which I hope we all can see why that is not respectful of human rights 😂

in MRA world women basically have kids to get child support so their thought process is "if she can't get support, she'll decide to abort" That's the missing piece of magic moron logic that makes this work for them while the rest of us sit here like "that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard"

Thank you. I was coming down here to point out this exact thing. In what way does allowing the 'spermer' to opt out of responsibility for a child *decrease* the number of fatherless households? Makes zero sense.

We criticize men who don't want to have children by calling them deadbeats, but praise women who don't want to have children by calling them pro-choice. You'd think it would dawn on people that women tend to have a lot more reproductive choice in our country than men do and that's why men often feel their only option is to walk away.

They lose all object permanence of children when women says Im pregnant, they think it doesnt exist despite having unprotected sex with no push back or reflection.

Well, actually.. It makes perfect sense.

@@maazkalimAh yea it makes perfect sense to… avoid fatherless by allowing men ways to avoid paying child support? Huh?

It was the overwrought humblebrag apologies that raised my flags. I'm a literal Canadian who apologizes to inanimate objects when I trip over them, for real, & I was like, "Dude knock that sh*t off" & rolling my eyes by the 3rd round of Disingenuous Humble-Bumble Fan Of Sam-routine. That's egregious. I hope he's reading all these comments too.

@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 Same. Canadian here, and that was annoying AF

I think you're giving the guy to much credit, he just may be on the wrong side of the IQ curve.

Some major red flags waved right off the bat

All the pronouns ALL THE pronouns

He just hates women so much he forgot that he still has more rights. 🤣

Judges are sexist so it happens less

That’s what’s so crazy! If you decide to step up and be a parent, you don’t have to pay as much (all parents have to pay something because kids cost money). Besides - the number of men who refuse to wear condoms and then are mad about child support are kind of insane. These are also all conversations you can have before having sex with a person including both control options and what you’d like to do in case of an unplanned pregnancy. If you choose not to do any of that, then you gotta deal with the consequences.

​@Marie Tailor and there are so many versions of birth control for men.

no they cant. not irl.

THIS. Most underrated comment here.

but for a man, it is the sole burden...

​@@maewest68 damn. those drugs must rule. a man's ONLY contribution to a family is financial? no such thing as fatherly love, etc. i guess. all fathers just work job. they dont even contribute genetically according to this homunculus. my father helped raise me despite working full time as a surgeon. these do-nothing fathers seem to think that their financial contribution justifies their lack of emotional or social support for their family, as if these quantities are in a zero-sum relationship. it's fucking stupid. not to even touch the gender essentialism here.

Yea he definitely self snitched

OMG!! The 9 months of sickness, what happens to a woman's body, the puking, the swollen legs, the hemorrhoids, etc.... is the sames as paying money.

Just a regular guy explaining regular things👹: nghaaaaa! Everyone else in the room🤦🏽‍♀️:why?

Emma is a female lol

Emma is bemused.

"We get your humility" had me laughing, like just get on with it man.

Absolutely

Yup

... yes and ... not just every title, every copy!

I knew that as soon as he said "illiberal" like that

jordan peterson is the personal accountability guy, sounds like you're more in agreement with him here

It speaks to some of the "but I'm a nice guy" and "women don't like nice guys" trope. A number of dudes that have to convince us that they're nice expose themselves like this guy did.

If it wasn't so funny it would be kind of scary how quickly he gives in to rage the second he gets questioned.

I totally understand what he's saying but the forced paternity test is very common in the alt right as a trope, as they have a thing in the alt right where men basically - by default - believe their children are not theirs

Literally. Like MULTIPLE at that 😭😭

This guy is a dream subject for any psychologist

Similar to American slaves in the 19th century, suffergates in the early 20th and trans in the 21st. .

@@W1ZY LOL

Along with the absolute gall to talk about how Republicans only care about an issue when it personally affects them, while HE has empathy. He's absolutely deluded himself into thinking his "personal grievance as an argument" makes him the rational one and everyone else are the crazy ones for not agreeing with him.

That's what "men's rights" is. I found it hard to listen to this because these men all adopt the same insipid tone--that' of a man speaking at an anger management group he is required to attend by the courts as part of his sentence for domestic violence. They moan about how they are the real victim and break into sobs while moaning that she is the villain and how she "just wouldn't listen." The tone of the aggrieved and fragile white man playing the victim is nauseating because it is how misogynists try to hide among us while their resentment is building and bound to lead to more violence against women. In the mean time they try to elect people who will attack the rights of women acting in bad faith and lying about their beliefs and motivations. They hate women who they fathered a child with because they can't have sex with them any more. This is the reason they don't want to pay child support, and also the reason they want to assert parental rights over a child they never helped to raise or supported, not to see their child but to control her life with the goal of making things harder for her and dictating what she can or cannot do, all based on their anger that she won't f*ck them anymore.

@@W1ZY what???!!! Omg did you really equate men's "rights" movement with people literally being owned and women being unable to vote or own property.... wow......

You have a stronger constitution than I. I couldn't make it through even three minutes of this cringe.

@@MarcillaSmith I live for these. Reminds me of the old days with Michael and him with libertarian callers

I love watching Sam in his natural habitat. I weirdly find it cathartic

@@NEON_BAT I lack any spine so it's super cathartic for a jello bird like me.

And she was trying so very hard to keep it as neutral as she could. 😂 Much much better than I would have done.

And/or a condom and they created other male birth control and men refused to continue the study due to the side effects women get. Ladies, use condoms or make him get a vasectomy or both. Better get stay away from guys because too many guys are like him or worse.

And if they don't want that there are condoms

Dude really must have thought he would swoop in and they would either instantly agree with him or he'd be able to debate them into seeing his way, lmao. He's in an echo chamber of his own brain; "No, everyone else is wrong!"

@@Khorne5006 I've noticed a lot of times when people (especially people who call in to shows/ask questions in debate q+a's) bring up some idea they've had that they think is so novel that it'll be immediately accepted as true, those people get mad really fast. Like super fast.

Most people are absolute morons. It’s somehow so easy to forget that

Fake humility. When he started to lay it on thick, that's the moment the caller shown it was insincere.

@@Khorne5006 it’s easy to get caught in those if ur online 2 much

I'd say, more teenager who has engaged with angry divorced dads online in menosphere spaces and has based his opinion second-hand on that.

the saddest thing about it is that he's a divorced dad in made up scenarios in his head, not based on any sort of reality and then coming to conclusions and judgements from those. the human brain is fascinating

@@KarlSnarks He honestly sounds like a late 30s dude with a long beard that’s starting to grey, who has not had success with women and won’t allow himself to change even a little to fix that.

Exactly!!! Like, choose what? Some Men already walk away from their children and some walk away and STILL don't pay child support 😂 so, choose what dude??? Everyone has a choice and responsibility to a child, but..."a man's choice" for what?

​@@julisakyani6306 yeah, it's not ... "fair" ? because the woman (or whatever gender, 'all the pronouns', whoever has the uterus and has to make a _whole person_ with their body) is the one who goes through pregnancy and labor. and I hope it's obvious that _surgery_ should never be forced on someone. so I guess he's thinking that without the "promise" of child support, more women would opt out?? i would've asked a several different questions because I'm also confused. "the same reproductive rights"?? is he really advocating for men being allowed to end pregnancies without the consent of the person who's pregnant???! would someone _really say that??_

@@kylermarkle8259 If we are expecting the man to pay for a child that is born, then we should give him equal choice in whether the child is born. Just require abortion unless both parents want the child. That would give equal reproductive choice and would mean every child has two loving parents. It sad how negatively people react to the idea of giving people equal reproductive choice regardless of gender.

​@@greywolf7577you are advocating for government mandated abortions? You can't be serious

​@greywolf7577 Hey buddy...wtf is wrong with you. If you get someone pregnant, you don't suddenly get full control over what they do with their bodies. If someone wants to keep a pregnancy thats their choice. You do have options after that, you can share in the responsibility step up, be the father, end fatherlessness, or support raising YOUR child with child support. Sam laid out exactly what he/you should be advocating for, so having a child isn't such a financial burden on both parties. And if you're that concerned about an unwanted pregnancy, you have prevenative options yourself. A vasectomy (which is reversible and the most effective form of birth control at 100% effective), men also have a pill now, and/or wrap it up. Which you should be doing anyway to prevent the spread of stis. You have control over unwanted pregnancies too. You have choices you are in control of, which involves your body. Just like the choice to keep or end a pregnancy which doesn't involve your body. Have you not had ANY sex ed?

Haha you are making the same argument that conversatives make regarding consequences. Your whole argument can be used to argue against abortion.

His real logic was "we need to allow men more power to manipulate and financially abuse women, so they have less agency in their choices and therefore hopefully are forced to abort when the man wants more often." Which is still dumb, because there's no evidence that "couldn't make woman get abortion" is the main reason deadbeat dads exist in the first place. Caller has some serious personal issues he's projecting here.

@al al Being a parent is not the same thing as being pregnant. These aren't similar arguments at all, it's just that you're incapable of understanding the issues at play here

I agree with the caller. We should have a way for men to walk away for a certain amount of time before the child is born as well as allow women to have a reasonable window of time for them to abort the child. Fairs fair.

@@alal-om3pt that’s if you equate a sentient sapient child to a bundle of dna… that’s if you think those that get abortions have the right to do so even 8 months in. This is a straw man.

I'm not mad, I'm thankful.

Sam don’t GAF lol

Hate the caller but Sam is wrong about custody and child support. Either parent that makes more money - even with 52 percent custody, will likely have to pay some child support. Gender or sperm giving / birther is irrelevant. I know mothers who pay child support to fathers who have 50 percent and sometimes less than 50 percent custody. In some states

Love the tongue in cheek response lol 😅 Very good point tho, I can't imagine having to actually give birth.

Exactly.

Also all those things would lower child support which is what he seemed to care about

Why would they do that when you're own progressive leadership doesn't. Y'all crazy bro 😂

Bro you freaking nailed it

Amen.. it's never how can we as men help other men thrive? How can we help men so that they don't commit suicide more often? Let's get them to therapy, let's encourage men to get help ..but no It's always how can we blame women for everything wrong ?

I think his implication in giving men an "equal" right to continue with or abort the pregnancy is that their decision would be the final one. So if a woman wanted to go through with the pregnancy and the man didn't, the pregnancy would be terminated (and vice versa if the man wanted to keep it). It's implied that the man's decision would be the one that mattered, and therefore, if men are always able to choose when to have kids or not (by deciding for the woman), then there would be no fatherless children. It's a terrible, f'd-up, narrow-sighted, self-defeating argument...but it's the one he chose to make. Basically, women deserve no rights is what he's saying lol.

@@brennam954 Someone else suggested that MRAs often believe that women choose to have children so they can get child support. And that this guy was suggesting that women wouldn't continue a pregnancy if they weren't going to get child support which is not how anything works. Child support doesn't cover the cost of raising a child, let alone make you rich in the process. Unless this caller is secretly making millions. (I know, laughable idea) Your take is even more horrifying though. Either way, this guy is a nutter with a personal grievance who can't see past his own nose.

@@brennam954 what? Is that what he said? Or did he say that if he basically say if he wants the child and she doesn’t want the child then she can abort it so why is it if she wants the child and he doesn’t he still has to support it? He’s not saying the child must be aborted, he’s saying that it should be balanced which right now it is not. Which exposes those in the left as not really being for equality in situations they don’t like equality in, which is hypocrisy

@@oakinwol You’re really reaching. It’s not hypocrisy in a situation that isn’t equal at all. Women have the burden of being the ones who get pregnant and give birth. You cannot, in good conscience, actually compare that to someone having to pay child support. 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ The fact of the matter is, men lose the right to decide once they ejaculate into a woman. Men have control over where they ejaculate and that’s it. Maybe it’s not fair, but that’s reality. It’s also not fair that women have to sacrifice their bodies and lives to reproduce, but here we are. If you don’t want children, wrap it up, get a vasectomy, or be celibate because those are your only choices.

I came here to say this but you beat me to it!

I was so confused about what the hell he was trying to accomplish with that. Or how he was trying to accomplish it.

@@kyransawhill6650 the implication is women only have babies to take support money from the fathers, and without this motivation the babies wouldent be born. If he was still on that track I think thats it atleast, but what the hell do I know. He sounded like he had ADD maby he just lost the main point.

Can't men just sign their rights away? Isn't that already a thing?? No amount of child support would make me want to have to deal with that man for 18 years.

@@kyransawhill6650 He was trying to accomplish it with the part he kept dodging around by saying "equal rights." He wants men to have the right to terminate a pregnancy when they don't want a child. So his idea is that any man who did not want to be a father can simply prevent the child from being born in the first place. Ergo, no fatherless children.

​@@clmBerserker Ahhh. So he doesn't think women have sex because it feels good, like men do... Huh.

hahahaha I cracked up immediately

Keep that lil' smug!

The whole time Emma did her best to keep a straight face. I love Emma, she shows the strengths women must show in the face of "man-splaining".

There are many liberal mens's activist groups all over the country.

Glad I wasn't the only one that noticed the smirk. I was laughing too.

nah, he just wants to be a deadbeat absentee father

I've seen this so many times from callers. They gish gallop like their idols Sharpiro, Peterson, and Crowder do. They begin an argument by assuming a highly debatable premise as fact and quickly pile on as much barely relatable supporting "evidence" as possible to try and overwhelm their opponent and not let them address any individual point. That's why Sam always cuts them off immediately at their first stance and forces them to focuses on their initial claim and work from there on a point by point basis. Cut the tree down by the trunk, not the branches.

@@millej11well said. I loved when this guy’s initial premise was “we need to end the scourge of fatherlessness…… by allowing men to walk away from pregnancies without any consequences at all.” Like? His arguments were incoherent because he was arguing from a confused premise.

He used it even when it was so obviously inconvenient and cumbersome. He even slipped and called “sperm receivers” women three times! 🙄

Lmao, there is definitely better gender neutral language too. Oh well, I guess he was put on the spot. Lol the “child birther parent.”

​​@@casualuser5527well sam is a bit of a boomer but people know what he meant. Over focusing on it is pedantic

@@ligma212 well sam is a bit of a 'sperm receiver' but people know what i meant

It is embarrassing for a grown man to talk like that.

We allow women to back out of pregnancy by having abortions. Why don't we allow men a similar choice?

Because they don’t carry or give birth to the child. It’s not that hard to understand.

I lost it at “Live laugh love” 😂

And it was extra awesome because you know that dude thinks any time a woman shows emotion they are being hysterical

@@Albinoman887 Or even if they don’t. Just when they disagree with him.

If we want to give women choice, we should also give the men the same opportunity.

@@gaeron1305 As was said in the video, it's hard to equate a man's share in the choice on par with the woman's. The woman will undoubtedly have to go through more in order to make the birth happen. That alone is reason enough to allow them to have final say. In your scenario, what happens if the woman wants no child, but the man does want one? Someone has to over-rule the other. "Same opportunity" just does not exist in that scenario.

@IRanOutOfPhrases Well, obviously if a woman doesn't want a child, they don't have one. Ideally, if the woman wants one and the man doesn't, he should be able to legally sign away his rights and responsibility to the child. Women will get an abortion for all kinds of reasons, from health, financial, and mental stability. If, in a righteous world, a woman can decide to terminate a pregnancy because she's not ready, a man should be able to do something similar. If we link these things together I think it would drastically decrease the opposition to abortion.

@@gaeron1305 No. We were both born into bodies we were born into without our input, and we both have to deal with the burdens we have to deal with that come with our sex. It just so happens that as a woman, I’m the one who has to be pregnant and give birth, so I choose. As a man, your burden is dealing with that. Grow up and deal with it you effing child. Life’s not fair; the fact that I have to be the one to deal with the physical burden isn’t fair to me, either.

@ravenswood It's so funny men are called dead beats and losers for not supporting their children they never wanted and woman who don't want children and leave them at firehouse are innocent people that must be going through so much so should be given that option. We will never be equal if we pick and choose what rights and responsibilities apply to us. I support abortion. I think more people should get them tbh.

The problem is that anti-abortion states are trying to take rights away from women so that they are equal to men in choice rather than increase choice for men so they are equal to women in rights.

Yep. I’ll be using that argument as needed going forward. Thanks Sam. ;)

You get the vibes. This dude failed the vibe check abysmally.

And as for you. You beautiful and brave man! It must be so amazing to carry a life inside your ball sack for months, feel it kicking your balls the whole time, and then finally have the birds get the Dr. Bees to help you pee out the child so the stork can sculpt a beautiful baby! All jokes aside, you nailed the vibes. Here have a like 😊

Your comment made my day!

Hahaha! 😂😂😂😂

🤣

I was dying

If a woman has sex without taking birth control, do you believe that she should be forced to give birth to the child?

@@greywolf7577 If a man wants to have sex but does not want to be a father or pay child support what should he do? A. Rely on the woman to use contraception B. Give her the wrong contact details so she won’t be able to find him C. Advocate for laws that force her to get an abortion D. Advocate for child support laws to be abolished E. All of the above (like a petulant child) F. Wear a fuking condom or get a vasectomy (it’s reversible)

I just listened to a video on YT about a little boy who had his father take him to Disneyland, while there, told his son he just had to go to the bathroom & would come back but instead left. For good. And that this happens more than Americans know or what to think it does. How about that?!

​@@andreah6379 Well, you can't really listen to stories told by murdered children, can you?

Fatherlessness im sure is a big factor in alllnof those things u mentioned

to be fair, he's advocating for forced abortion as well.

​@@mylesp89funny, cause it's large problem with fathered children as well. It's almost like the correlation isn't the cause.

Makes no sense whatsoever

oh, I thought he was saying he beelieves in forced abortions for all those women trying to bee single moms.

@@waitz001 yeah I think he was hinting that "equal reproductive rights for all pronouns involved in the pregnancy" meant that since the pregnant person could use her reproductive right to decide to abort regardless of the sperm giver's wishes, therefore equal rights would mean the sperm giver can also decide to abort regardless of the pregnant person's wishes. By his logic Equality = the right to force a pregnant person to have an abortion.

I think he was trying to say that if men couldn’t be forced to be a financial source, women would reconsider single parenthood by and large (it probably wouldn’t) but he garbled the argument anyway.

@@swpdisciple This is what I thought too, but this guy couldn't get stop beating around a bush to save his life.

I'm not sure this is actually an education problem, it sounds way more like an ego problem. Dude has quite the complex "logic" system set up to explain himself, even though it's composed mostly of batshit trash. It's complex. Complexity is generally lacking for the truly poorly-educated.

@@tirsden Part of egotism is taught by others though. That’s why I mentioned that our education system has failed to a degree regarding the prevention of developing too deep of an ego.

It's like that percentage wanting to still go after the hippies from the 70's. yikes.

I would argue that the burden is higher even when abortion is an option. Abortions are not a walking in the park and it's not like all those extra hormones have a place to go afterwards.

I think the guy nailed it. Sam just wants validation from Marge Simpson.

@@christianmcneill699 but that was not the scenario presented by Sam.

He literally said that as I was reading your comment

I don't have any children and thus have no child to pay child support for, but I can see that the law gives women far more reproductive choice than it gives men due to women having the ability to have an abortion while men aren't allowed to abort the fetus. I think in a fair world, every pregnancy would legally be required to be aborted unless both parents want the child. Not only would this give equal rights, but it would mean that every child would have a loving two parent household. It's disturbing how angry people get when you suggest giving men the same reproductive choices that women have.

@@greywolf7577so your solution is forcing women to have abortions? how does that give women any reproductive rights when you are literally choosing what happens to her body.

​@@greywolf7577This is one of those ideas that even on paper completely ignores how rights work. In practice, it would be even worse and just in many situations end up with the father getting preferential treatment. Sexism always finds a way.

Go live the life of a nun or monk . Because women should not have all the choice.

Hey dude, your father still owes your mother that money and if you go to the child support department, they will go after him free of charge. I think it differs by state, but in California there is 10% interest on past due child support. Your father's debt doesn't clear unless your mother dies, so chances are he owes a shitload and she can hopefully get back the money she would have saved had he contributed financially.

But here's the thing: Did he even want a child? It's different when a father/mother decides they don't want the child before it comes to term versus both parties agreeing to having a child and then one of them just walks out...

@Ammar no, it isn't different. You make a child, you are financially responsible for that child's wellbeing. Doesn't matter if you didn't want it.

@@lawrencerooney2772 I just don't agree. Then why should women be allowed an abortion since they made a child and also didn't want it?

Yeah, false accusations are out there. But the way this guy just brought that up to try to buttress his point is cringe. That's why we see Emma with that 'there we go' sort of gesture because so many MRAs will claim the SAME thing!

The ones making a huge stink are usually the ones who are committing SA and just won’t admit that’s what they did.

​@Ruminating Raptor for real.... they don't even admit it to themselves. There a lot of men walking around every day in total denial about their sexual misconduct.

I thought he was saying he had a false pregnancy allegation, not an SA allegation? Like either someone pretended to be pregnant, or claimed he was the father when someone else was. You can get a paternity test though, you have to go to court probably, but it’s perfectly legal to dispute paternity.

@@rainydaze1313 Interesting. Do you have the timestamp for when that is discussed? If I'm wrong, I always try to correct myself.

What "magic wand" the first clue?

You’re so correct about them usually having a personal grievance that they base their main beliefs on. It’s incredibly selfish imo.

Almost all of these guys got married because of social and family peer pressure. The marriage obviously didn't work out and they're lashing out.

I’m on the left… but didn’t you just describe half the socialist/communist online as well? Lmao

It's like they form their values and world views based entirely in theory. He thinks responsibility of the child is 50/50 because each parent gave 1 chromosome; I'd love to see him walk in the shoes of a pregnant woman or new mother and see if he changes his tune.

I'm guessing we're late is the only reason why your comment doesn't have at least 1k thumbs up.

@@dazeyday5699 lol thanks

💯! The health/pregnancy decisions of a pregnant person have fuck-all to do with the future child's financial maintenance obligations of either parent.

He was too obtuse to get that. He just figured he could force her to get an abortion.

Exactly

@@cyninbend The solution would be to just legally require ALL pregnancies to end in abortion unless BOTH parents want a child. That would give equal rights to everyone regardless of gender and would make sure that every child had a loving two parent household. I do find it sad that we are in a position in our society where the choices seem to be "only women get reproductive choice or no one gets reproductive choice". Surely we can come up with a system that gives everyone reproductive choice.

​@@greywolf7577 "The solution would be to just legally require ALL pregnancies to end in abortion unless BOTH parents want a child." That solution violates the couple's privacy and the bodily autonomy of the pregnant person. "That would give equal rights to everyone regardless of gender.." It would be equality in oppression, not freedom. "...and would make sure that every child had (sic) a loving two parent household." That's kind of a crapshoot. Nobody knows how becoming parents would affect the dynamics of a couple. They might grow to resent one another, which creates a toxic atmosphere for the child. "I do find it sad that we are in a position in our society where the choices seem to be "only women get reproductive choice or no one gets reproductive choice"." The person who should have final say in how a pregnancy ends is the person who is pregnant, with proper medical information from a medical professional that actually cares about their health. Not their spouse/lover. Not their parents. Not some deluded, self-righteous, busybody member of any religious group. And certainly not the government.

@greywolf7577 Interesting idea. I'm curious, who will be the one that forces the woman down while they abort her pregnancy against her will? Do you expect doctors to do it?

Literally me… and now I can’t sleep cause this guy stressed me the fuck out!

Lol are you me?

I feel personally attacked by this comment

I feel seen

Lmfao

He doesn't want to force the woman to carry the pregnancy to term. He wants her to get an abortion unless both she and he want a child, which is what any moral person would do. Abortion is far safer than pregnancy.

especially given the subject matter

Also ... 13:03 Caller: Emma: "I don't think that answers my question." Sam: "well, I think it does."

@@JP-JustSayin *Emma changed the subject by asking that question. It's relevance was never fully explained.*

He got very frantic when asked to explain what the hell he was saying and when asked some simple questions. It was like dude's brain was exploding, he is obviously very emotionally invested in these viewpoints which seem to be mostly hypothetical as he puts them.

that's what they used to say about anti war and civil rights activists in the 1960s. Mocking people's experience with systemic discrimination tends to make people angry . But go ahead and keep preventing the existence of a left by alienating a whole gender

@@emilianosintarias7337 who's alienating a whole gender?

@@AslanJazzLan The majority report, and their misandrist, anti-working class men's issues talking points that they parrot. Their stance on this particular issue was "keep your legs shut, consenting to sex is consenting to kids".

@@emilianosintarias7337 lol wtf are you talking about?

Scared to ask what field you're in...

But no one held a gun to that woman's head and forced her to have unprotected sex as well. if she wishes to carry that child, that is her choice. if he wishes not to take part in being a parent to the child, physically emotionally and financially, that should be his choice. my body, my choice, my body my money.

Would you say the same thing to a pregnant woman? “No one held a gun to you mr head and forced you to have unprotected sex with that man, therefore, you should have to spend the next 18 years legally responsible for another human.”

@@glenkuenzi4302 he wouldn’t,but every right wing pro forced birth man sure would.. and does daily

@@OXHAMMERSTONE_NYC Caller you already got owned by the TMR crew, do you want it in the comments too?

You’re using the exact same argument pro-lifers use to deny women abortions.

100% this. If you dont want to support a kid, use a damn condom.

The word dude should be in quotation marks instead given how owned he got.

When he was stumbling over his opening and she was trying not to laugh had my dying. Golden!

yes, shes so smug and annoying and its fabulous

“I have a magic wand.” Emma: 😏🤭🥹

Which part ?

@@toltech1624 No she’s not. That’s not a compliment.

None of his plans will stop fatherless households. Not one.

You are being way to hard on this guy

@@mikeoveli1028 Sperms expensive stuff. He should be careful where he leaves it.

@@mikeoveli1028 Nah

@@mikeoveli1028 This isn't even an argument.

Reminiscent of the time Marianne Williamson asked Dave Rubin if he’d read up much on slavery!

🤣🤣🤣

Daaaaaaaaamn.

Donald Trump: 'we will blow it up' Joe: 'we will blow it up' Victoria Nuland: 'we will blow it up' General Miley: 'we will blow it up' The States Department: 'we will blow it up' ALL TOGETHER NOW.......

This is false. Alabama Man has never once showed an ounce of interest in women. He's very much a man's man.

@@taranullius9221 Time zone advantage

You could literally argue all these things about women/the ones who give birth: Why weren't they responsible? Why didn't they take the pill? Why'd they sleep with so many people? Criticizing someone's reproductive lifestyle is right-wing at its core. You can't be motivated by revenge simply b/c a party has a much easier time biologically than the other. If you're worried about 'a-holes' running around and impregnating people left-and-right, I have a suggestion: Instead of forcing men/others to pay for a child the other party chooses to carry, maybe have them split the cost for every abortion they cause through their lack of precaution... I honestly think that'd be fair for both parties involved!

If a woman can fucking murder the kid because she don't want it, so can I.

Mama of four, I hope you didn't spring the kids on the sperm giver a year later because that would be bad, m'kay.

This guy had zero respect for the sacrifices mothers make from the second they think they may be pregnant or start trying. I was trying to figure out if it was just misogyny or if he was that ignorant. I wanted to tell him how pregnant women are pregnant 24 hrs a day--their devotion to that baby is so absolute. And it's not a breeze. All the changes it makes to your body, your life, and then the suffering, sleeplessness, complications. Yet you do it out of love. Then you do it again, and again, and you did it yet again! He was selfishly clueless and disrespects women so much, not valuing what a mom does for her child and for our civilization. The sacrifices. So I'll tell you how much I think you rock for all you did.💐

@@samildanach Being pregnant means you can have 100% control of what happens to the baby as it is being made. You can keep it, test it, abort it, anything without the consent of anyone else (except your doctor obviously) Being pregnant doesn't mean you get to force your life decisions on others. Once that baby is out, it isn't only 'yours'. That's the law everywhere. By that logic, should mothers or whoever gives birth have more say over their children in everything?! If they want a divorce, should they get to have full custody automatically because of what they went through biologically?

​@Lugh Samildánach but I think a lot of people don't realize that husbands want children as well. I'm not saying thay the grief of a husband from not his wife not wanting to go through the hard ships of pregnancy is equal. Just that the grief is real. But his guy was off his fucking meds with that call. Good God

@@Ammar-pv8wr I can't speak for people who birth as a whole because I only know my experiences and it wouldn't be fair to others for me to paint my experiences as their own. I understand completely what you are saying and if I were in that position that sense of loss of control would be difficult! However it does not equate to the pain, pressures, and psychological effects pregnancy causes. Each time I was pregnant, I came to my partner first. I did not view it as my own choice or something all in my control. However I was forced to bear the majority of negative aspects all on my own. I wish we could switch off, every other pregnancy so each partner can experience the pain and beauty of pregnancy but it isn't currently possible and people who birth deserve more acknowledgment for what it takes. Our society does not fairly represent the process of creating another living being and what it takes from a person. No, I do not agree that they should get automatic custody. I can not speak for other birthing parents. I know plenty of mothers that are not present or committed in the ways that they should be, and father who have stepped up in more ways than I can count. Each custody situation needs to be assessed and decided contextually for the overall benefit of each specific child in those circumstances. IMO once child is born they have rights and body autonomy, it's on the parents together to teach them and uphold that for them.

My first thought too 😂

Exactly. 😂😂😂