People who boast about their IQ are losers ~Stephen hawking's legit quote

Sounds like a hateful dude. He pulled your phone number from your test record, harassed you by spamming multiple phone numbers, insulted you, and vaguely threatened legal action. Put the video back up, this sounds like a scare tactic. If scores and test procedures were intellectual property students would be sued all of the time for discussing scores and saying whether or not a test was multiple choice or written response on standardized tests.

The final result of the mensa test depends on someones degree then ? Really? Cause that does not sound like a smart solution for people who wanna find out a persons IQ.

Isn't IQ score independent of one's degree?

It was a prank. The person that rang you wasn’t Mensa and they were just testing your IQ ;-)

Degree matters? Then how about accounting for all the tutoring and hot housing by certain families for kids?

The funny thing is, you’re a great mathematician. It doesn’t look bad on Mensa that you scored high originally. The fact that they were so incompetent in the process of getting your information, DOES in fact make them look bad. I had plenty of respect for Mensa scores at first. Now? Not so much. Besides, with such an ego stroking test, if people know they’ll get threatened with legal action for talking about it, then what’s the point?

Lol mensa is actually a joke.

That doesn't make any sense. You were explaining the components of every single IQ test and does not divulge any information that is not on their practice test that is publicly available.

My grandfather has a "Genius level IQ" according to Mensa... But he literally studied books that tought him how to essentially cheat the test and score higher. If you can do simple training for a test, then it does not measure raw intelligence.

I really dislike the word "cringe", but that's a cringe move from the Mensa representative (if it's even a genuine person and not an elaborate troll).

I have a vague idea why one's education level might inflate/deflate their IQ score, but I see no reason to include that in a test whose goal is to test pattern recognition, working memory etc. This seems like a fruitless effort to exclude you from their fancy club.

What IQ shows is just how good a man is in IQ tests.

Papa flammy's IQ is probably 69420

“This number doesn’t really benefit my life In any kinda way” that’s exactly right, that’s what it’s all about

Now instead of having a fairly harmless video with little controversial material, they now have to deal with a video which shows how much of a sham their organisations is :) Not a high IQ play Mensa.

“Talent has nothing to do with hardwork” *gets a maths degree* *wait, that’s illegal*

You unlisted the video, but it's an in-video recommended video, so it's trivial to reach it from this video. Not sure if that's intended.

oh no now you're not allowed into their "good at puzzles" club, what devastating news for a professional mathematician :D

Aren't IQ tests meant to be constructed in such a way the score is independent of education and previous knowledge? Why would education be a factor in the score?

See, that's a weird assumption coming from the tests or organizers of the tests. A degree should not influence your final IQ score on a paper. But I agree; it doesn't matter now if your IQ is 145 or 130 or 107 or whatever, its hard and wise work that pays off in most things in our life.

My IQ is -155 and is stored in an unsigned 8-bit integer. I'm also a self-proclaimed smartest person in the world.

Imagine being such a genius, that you know the correct at most smart answer to every single question on the test that you just get enough right and enough wrong to get the perfect IQ of 69. That would transcend even Einstein's level of genius.

Looks like Mensa got butthurt

Another look at the IQ-score: if you had a lower IQ than you expected, the overall population would have a higher IQ than you thought and therefore you don't loose faith in humanity that fast ;D

Don't take down the video until you get a formal paper signed by someone, the call phone could be just a prank.

I like how when you said "People with the link", the video literally popped up in the top right corner. And everyone could access it. Alpha Chad move right there

Dude this sounds like a scam. I've never cared for Mensa but for a worldwide organization, I don't think they would behave in the way this guy did over the phone, and they certainly wouldn't care about a flammable bro who makes youtube videos. It sounds to me like a jealous viewer (who happens to work for Mensa as a low level employee) who wanted to make you feel bad for having a high IQ - maybe his was much lower or something. Either way I'm 98% sure this isn't legit.

Of course Papa’s iq is 420

Jens’ meme iq is -1/12

Mensa: "Your Iq is not 145" *papa flammy's brain shirnks by 31%

Everyone I've met who's actually a member of Mensa (and believe me, if they are a member, they will tell you they are) has been a complete jerk of a person who I wish I never had met.

(Unfortunately) this whole situation seems very typical for this channel. It is an absurd plot which, were it not potentially serious, would just be extremely funny: -1) Has complex trajectory through German educational bureaucracy, 0) Becomes god-tier math/memes KZfaqr, 1) Officially receives highest possible score on Mensa IQ test, 2) Gets a personal call from Mensa representative revoking IQ score, 3) Threatened by litigation for some nonsense, 4) ??? 5) Profit.

What, so people with a better education get a higher score by default? That's extremely dumb.

"Hey, you studied stuff, so what you know doesn't count."

Wait so memorization tests are mensa's IP‽ Does that mean that if I make a memorization test, it'll be illegal now 😂😂

2:15 125 iq is considered a high intellect and may I add that it is also well above average

Wait, do they just make them harder if you've had training? This indirectly suggests you can study for iq tests and readily generate falicious results.

That's what happens when you don't rewatch enough Rick and Morty episodes.

Dor fuchs is really smart just listening his music gives 10 + boost to iq

I'm not an expert on German law, but a mensa employee pulling your personal information and using it to harass and threaten you seems like it might be illegal.

Apology video sucked. No tears and dogs and no loud sighs

I lost it when you called Feynman a dumb piece of shit! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I bet he’ll chuckle at it too 🤣👍🏾 you are a boss, mate!

I don't need Mensa to confirm I have a near genius IQ.

2:40 Wow richtig krass wie du dich hochgearbeitet hast! Mein Respekt! Ich habe auch Mathe studiert und komme aus einer Akademiker Familie, bei mir wurde der Weg schon sozusagen vom Kindesalter eingetrichtert mit Abi, Bachelor, Master etc. Ich habe aber großen Respekt vor Menschen, die sich "hochgearbeitet" haben. Mein Freund, der bald auch mit Mathe Master fertig wird, hat über Umwege vom Realschulabschluss, Ausbildung in der Industrie, Fachabi usw. zum Mathestudium gefunden und macht gerade einen sehr guten Abschluss. Und von ihm habe ich gelernt, dass wo ein Wille ist, da ist kein Ziel zu groß ist :)

Wow, im sorry about your situation. Also....THIS I literally just got recommendation of your IQ video as a banner in this video which takes me to the unlisted video

I remember being at a point in my life where I used to take these IQ tests seriously. I did poorly in my CS classes and my self-esteem was really tied to these types of tests, and a lot of my so-called friends would mock me for not understanding simple concepts. I kept doing these tests to convince myself that I was not stupid. Two years later and I am now one of the best in my class, I'm certainly not a great programmer or anything like that. But the point is that intrinsic measures of intelligence are stupid, the brain constantly changes itself, it can grow depending on your environment, and depending on your mindset. Psychometrics are complete bullshit. Regardless of your circumstances Flammy, you're no doubt a great Mathematician and a very smart individual either way. :) Keep up the good work, wish the best of luck to you and to whoever reads this.

What an engineer

Flam pop you are a cool mathematician and don’t need attestation from an outside organization. Please don’t get deterred by this little bump in your career and stay focused on what you are doing. It is very educational and entertaining👍

If they had anything serious on hand, wouldn't they just sue you or at least send a proper letter?

Loads of respect dude. I respect the fact that he doesn’t care abt IQ a lot (which is great). And um as far as I see it, as long as there was no confidentiality agreement, there’s nothing a lot to worry about

This type of test can actually demotivate an intelligent person like him! 😠

Shocking, I will never take a mensa test after this! And I will inform all my friends so they also don't!

This is like a calculus teacher getting mad at a student, who took a test on integration, for telling other students who haven’t taken the test yet that it’s about integration. Sequences and pattern recognition are standard parts of ANY IQ test, it’s actually insane that they’re claiming that’s an issue of copyright.

Can't you just self certify yourself as a person with an IQ of 145? It's the 21st century, what if you identify as someone with an IQ of 145?

Virign "let me google the exact translation really quick" vs chad "a kind of a Verschwiegenheitserklärung"

That test is like my admission exam for college

Doesn't matter how smart you think you are, anyone with half a brain knows that people are smarter together.

No phone call can be considered as official correspondence. Tell that guy to send you a legal notice of whatever he wants to say.

I'm sorry to hear that, I hope things get better in this situation

Holy moly you are not 145? You are probably 160 lol

You have to admit that you revealed classified information about how it was, like every other free IQ test online, but with the super-duper-ultra-mega-archisecret Mensa logo on it. Shame on you. Just kidding, hope you can bring the video back!

Help, I'm being sued by iq.

i’m confused as to why they use the degree in the measuring of iq test. never seen that before and besides the test aren’t accurate to measuring the intellectual skills of someone.

In mexican spanish, "Mensa" or "menso" means stupid. Really accurate after watching this video

Mensa mean’s dumb in Spanish lmaoooo. Now it all makes sense.

Even 120 is considered "superior". Most people with PhDs have an IQ at around 120-130 (sd=15), so a score in this range wouldn’t be too surprising; I can confidently say it’s somewhere between 69 and 420.

I remember watching your original video. You were surprised at the score and talked in general about the test. You didn't give away any details that could help people "cheat". I'm not a lawyer, but from my understanding of copyright law, your prior video could be considered "fair use" -- a discussion about the pros and cons of their testing methodology. Also, it sounds like you answered their questions honestly, and now -- after the fact -- they decide your answers resulted in false results. Because it seemed like you gave genuinely honest answers to the questions they asked, the problem seems to be (my humble opinion) they were not asking the right questions! That is THEIR fault, not yours. A royal shame they would try to reverse the blame! Finally, I agree with you: IQ scores are bogus. Even *if* they are the most objective way to measure intelligence, the result is EXTREMELY general and, by itself, is unable to (dis)qualify a person for a job / fellowship / etc.

when the mensa dude just seethes, because you singlehandedly destroyed his iq-scam

The only people in Mensa are those with something to prove, and as a result the organization is pretty much full of brittle assholes. Sending you threats of legal action is pretty standard for them.

I'd keep the video up. If they had anything they'd send a lawyer's letter, not just say that over the phone.

This contradicts the assumption of IQ tests that they measure inate cognitive abilities that cannot be improved. If you can improve your IQ by studying maths, it is not an innate unchangeable cognitive ability.

Yes your oppinion is very valuable

As a student I was kind of pressured to do the Mensa test as well (and I did). Knowing what I know now about IQ tests: - it is not an accurate one, even in the range they name, there are more accurate ones out there - the kind of questions are basically exactly the same as on any other iq test and trainable if you wished to (so what is the fuzz about the nda) - alone the fact that my degree matters for the result shows how little it tells. What if I studied but never got the degree as an example. The whole idea behind Mensa is, frankly, ridiculous. Using an arbitrary number of a one day performance, to create an exclusive club of, sorry, vastly arrogant people. And no, I did not fail to reach the result for the invite, it's not envy speaking. I remember being in a room of children everybody comparing his numbers and bragging. That is such bad thing to happen, tbh.

So, assuming everything that was said here is representative of reality, the Mensa IQ test most certainly does not represent fluid intelligence and is a bit of a sham?

I had an IQ test. I was a bit worried, but fortunatelly, it came back as negative...

Wir unterstützen dich! ❤️👌🏽 Wirklich extremst sympathischer Typ und ehrlich gesagt eine Inspiration für mich 😁 ich mache auch gerade mein Abitur nach, nachdem ich eine Berufsausbildung abgeschlossen habe, um irgendwann studieren zu können.

I think if this shows anything, a lot of the comments on the original video were praising you for having such a high score or saying it's inevitable for studying such an "intellectually abstract field" as mathematics or whatever (and I am not trying to knock you or anyone). We all like intellectual validation and the IQ test is the type of cheap nonsense that some people fall prey to. Once MENSA losses their undeserved prestige, they stop making money and you threatened in some capacity to expose the game they play.

Basically, he's too smart but doesn't want to be our friend waaaa

That's so humble of you! I'm in awe! Bravo

I saw this was like: wait what man has >145 IQ?

I am crying laughing at 2:13 The perfect deadpan delivery of "Take a look at Richard Feynman he was like a dumb piece of shit with [an IQ of 125]" is amazing. Especially since "dumb piece of shit" is in direct contradiction to the essence of Richard Feynman or the idea of scoring 125 on an IQ test.

Looks like someone got pissed they don't have a good enough IQ

Kind of unfortunate you did not ask your actual score though

I have an IQ in the 99th percentile (WISC - V) and I get average grades for non mathematical subjects :/, test seems biased

mensa doesnt faith in its test

Don't worry we all are with you into this!

Huh wait so if you've studied mathematics they give you a lower iQ score? That makes such little sense.

Good thing i watched it a couple days ago

Part3 In addition to the benefits determined by having a high IQ, we must also say that IQ is extremely important when we are new to a field or very young. According to recent studies, the effect of IQ is decisive for someone's performance only when we have few years of experience. But, among experts, there is no correlation between IQ and expertise. This is what emerged from a study of elite chess players. Among them, the ones possessing higher scores had lower IQ due to the higher amount of practice they have dedicated to the game of chess. IQ is essential at the very beginning to accelerate the learning process. But, as we make more and more practice in one field, the IQ differences lessen.

Let's appreciate the background music choice from the best PS2 RPG

Papa fammy don't worry we stand with you

This problem is actually based on an intriguing and subtle disagreement in the academic community of psychologists and psychiatrists as to how to properly define intelligence as measured by IQ. See, in practise someone could have an IQ of say 128 as a teen, but after a degree in Mathematics, it could have jumped to 145 in a subsequent IQ test. It is true that, you'll perform better on the mathematics portion (which measures crystallised intelligence) but IF you also performed better on non-crystallised portions, then, yes your IQ is now 145. What happened during your Mathematics degree is that you've trained your brain to pick up on abstract patterns at a far greater depth which you've been somehow able to generalise to non-mathematical subjects, and that brain capacity remains with you after your Mathematics degree. HOWEVER, what bothers some psychologists/psychiatrists is how long this enhanced cognitive aptitude remains with you after your degree. You see, if you were born with 145 IQ, that's going to stay with you for life whether you like it or not. If you've acquired a 145 IQ from study, then they're currently unsure if that remains with you for life or only as you continuously study Mathematics. If you're a professor for life, then reducing an IQ score based on your studies is pointless even if IQ drops significantly for those who leave study, since your intelligence will remain for life, since you're always going to be studying to retain it to some degree. However, since many IQ testers want to measure something that is constant, fixed, and BY DEFINITION (not by fact) independent of education, they will reduce IQ scores so as to find your fixed inborn IQ. However, you can at least say, inasmuch as you've acquired and generalised enhanced cognitive abilities, your intelligence functions as though you have an IQ of 145, and that will remain with you for life as many studies show. So, Mensa wants to give you the IQ you're born with (since that is a fixed PAST fact), not the one your brain is currently functioning at.

Bro , Can You explain What is Godel Incompleteness Theorem

This sounds like a secret society. Their test, their table, not worth of it.

Thanks for sharing this. Also, nice fractals on the wall 😎😜

They might have paid a psychometric analysis company to make their test. I've worked for one and they are fastidious. For example, if a coaching college got hold of our prototype questions (even one significant question) we would be able to tell from the small spike in scores clustered around it geographically after we analyze the bona fide test scores. If they reused the test they might have seen a spike in scores from people who got hints from your video but it's very unlikely. However, my guess is that's what they are guarding; the integrity of the test.

They are judging you for loving waifus. Jokes apart, I can see you’re tensed. Someone from this community will help you out for sure. Stay strong.

I cracked open when he called Feynman "a dumb piece of shit"

When you said, your IQ wasn't correct, I first thought that it was actually way higher.