The three differences covered in this video: - Vim is developed and maintained by one person - Nvim is developed and maintained by the community - Vim does not support asynchronous execution - Nvim does support asynchronous execution - Vim does not have great LUA support - Nvim does have great LUA support All of that for 10 minutes
@jacobitosuperstar2 жыл бұрын
but I don't know if this videos is just old or have a lot of miss-conceptions, but Vim is no developed by one person. Braum makes the merges, but there is a team and people that constantly add to it. Vim does support async execution and Vim does support Lua, it's not it's main language, yes, but it does support it, and I don't know if have made functions or plugins in Lua for vim, but my functions work the same, I have to do the same API calls... so I don't know... i prefer TJ comment on it, "it´s not about features, it's about focus"
@kartikchauhan27782 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@lazyeclipse2 жыл бұрын
...and 2 of the three are wrong (vim does have a community of contributors, it's just that patches aren't contributed through github, and it does have async execution as of version 8). That said, I thing the Lua support is huge, and we've seen great neovim plugins thanks to it.
@xybersurfer2 жыл бұрын
@@lazyeclipse the vim contributions may come from the community. but they are much less open to contributions from the discussions i've read. so my impression is that the author of the commits does say a lot about who's in control
@elbbepp2 жыл бұрын
@sidhanth rathod Ain't no way you're advertising your neovim rice 💀. You've already got 10k stars calm down.
@bustercasey38063 жыл бұрын
Nothing beats a good old pencil and some paper.
@pazu_5133 жыл бұрын
Bloat. Just use your own blood and draw with your finger
@SimGunther3 жыл бұрын
Best debugger around: a spreadsheet on accounting/engineering paper
3 жыл бұрын
No
@pardal_bs3 жыл бұрын
Except, you know, fire, water, bugs, etc…
@uzefulvideos34403 жыл бұрын
Scissor beats paper
@rob6793 жыл бұрын
Easy random character generator: get a random person in front of Vi and ask him to close the program
@trbry.3 жыл бұрын
I believe you would get even more random strings if you ask them to wrote their name in something lile notepad..
@inx18193 жыл бұрын
plot twist they close the terminal
@theodiscusgaming39093 жыл бұрын
@Big Poppin’ Jake the joke is that it's unintuitive to normies so they'll type random stuff trying to close it
@igorswies59133 жыл бұрын
:wq is for masochists that like typing too much, use ZZ
@groos34493 жыл бұрын
@@igorswies5913 I use ZZ to save, ZX to save and quit and ZC to quit without saving
@Calajese3 жыл бұрын
I can't exit both so there isn't really any change for me
@NeveJay3 жыл бұрын
:wqa!
@Calajese3 жыл бұрын
@@NeveJay ZZ > ...
@MentalOutlaw3 жыл бұрын
just unplug computer
@bobbob26583 жыл бұрын
buy a new computer entirely
@betabenja3 жыл бұрын
@@MentalOutlaw and wait for battery to run down. only 3 days to quit vim on my old laptop. I get faster every day.
@Ultrajamz3 жыл бұрын
The chad answer is typically: Whichever is already installed
@qwertykeyboard59013 жыл бұрын
nano
@censoredterminalautism40733 жыл бұрын
ed is the standard text editor.
@sagnost3 жыл бұрын
vi
@jamess17873 жыл бұрын
I like chad
@rizkyadiyanto79223 жыл бұрын
gedit
@its-amemegatron.95213 жыл бұрын
But for real. Vim has the superior logo
@nestorgomez73053 жыл бұрын
Tbh, I see it as a bit old compared to the N in nvim.
@censoredterminalautism40733 жыл бұрын
True. It's a pretty cool logo.
@cmodead52843 жыл бұрын
Mmmm maybe it's nota really good
@helkindown3 жыл бұрын
I use an AZERTY keyboard, and only neovim can understand special character for map command like "map à 0" or other non ASCII character, so I recommend it to anyone with a keyboard with those kind of unusual keys on it.
@dr.derekrobinson19203 жыл бұрын
>I use an AZERTY keyboard Um I'm thinking based
@felipej.oribeiro67003 жыл бұрын
Yes! This is a must for Portuguese speakers. And the alt key functions are a good reason too.
Thanks! This comment was exactly the info I was looking for, wasn't expecting to find it so quickly, if at all!
@noideac3 жыл бұрын
The virgin VIM and NeoVIM vs the chad not knowing how to do shell scripts in the first place
@SimGunther3 жыл бұрын
Vs the Giga-Chad who never used an internet connection to begin with
@dacho7073 жыл бұрын
chad nano
@qwertykeyboard59013 жыл бұрын
vs Lad > echo “stuff” >> thing.file wtf lad?
@censoredterminalautism40733 жыл бұрын
Would Emacs be the wizard or is that just ed?
@UoirLocer3 жыл бұрын
dad Kate
@jtsiomb3 жыл бұрын
Your point about vim being developed by a single person vs neovim being a community project seems a bit strange, since in your video capture of the vim commit history, every single commit was a patch merge. What I'm seeing is just different merge methods: a single commiter applying patches, vs merging pull requests. Also my experience with the quality of code when it's mostly a single person writing it vs a large number of people submitting changes is quite the opposite of what you described.
@felixthehuman2 жыл бұрын
TJ Devries (one of the core nvim developers) made a response. He also responded to that Stackoverflow "Modern IDEs are Magic" article. They are both entertaining.
@armynyus91232 жыл бұрын
Full ack. Things getting "messy" defintely more a multi contributor problem.
@JethroYSCao2 жыл бұрын
Bram merges every patch submitted by others by hand. That’s not a healthy development flow for any large project.
@jamesdickerson67262 жыл бұрын
^ this. 100% things tend to be more efficient and uniform with one developer. Truer to it's actual vision.
@JethroYSCao2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesdickerson6726 when the single developer in charge is a real guru like Linus Torvalds, Mike Pall, etc. Then yes, having that BDFL can be great for the project. But Bram is no where near as competent as those guys. Every single feature added to Vim over the past half decade has been a reaction and playing catch up to the excellent work done by the Neovim team: asynchronous execution, terminal mode, etc. But even with his best efforts, Bram's Vim still lacks behind Neovim in terms of features. Lua (with Luajit) support, built-in LSP client to name a few major things. There's simply no comparison which project is better at this point, empirical results speak for themselves.
@23pointblank3 жыл бұрын
As a beginner in vim, what i am getting from this video is that i don't know enough to need neovim.
@yash11522 жыл бұрын
hehe, seems so will be the case for me too
@rbettsx2 жыл бұрын
What I'm getting is: it's absolutely safe to learn Vim. If I run into some limitation, I can change over without having to unlearn anything.
@yes-vy6bn2 жыл бұрын
they're both essentially the same, but neovim is faster because it uses luajit instead of some some janky homemade language called vim script
@harleyspeedthrust40139 ай бұрын
@@yes-vy6bnyeah but you can compile vim with lua support (with luajit, optionally) if you want. you can even compile vim with support for scheme if you were so inclined. so plain old vim does support lua + luajit. and as far as async stuff, i tend to run commands in a separate tmux pane - but when i need to do something in the background from vim i just run it as a background job. for example, i have some bash function that tries to render a file in an x11 window. i have a vim keybinding to view the current file (for markdown mostly) that just calls this bash function and sends it to the background.
@Lmao-ke9lq3 жыл бұрын
Light themed github killing my eyes in 1am
@nissengummihone3 жыл бұрын
I have vim and my entire terminal in light mode
@nissengummihone3 жыл бұрын
@@weakspirit_ recently I also found out how to get tty in light mode
@Lmao-ke9lq3 жыл бұрын
you're all madmen
@Mersal-uj5nh3 жыл бұрын
@@Lmao-ke9lq there are some browser extensions that you can use.
@ex0stasis723 жыл бұрын
So, the bottom like is, if you don’t run an old computer from the 80’s, then go for Neovim.
@Mjs961173 жыл бұрын
You misspelled "Emacs"
@ex0stasis723 жыл бұрын
@@Mjs96117 Good one!
@flexagonpark54673 жыл бұрын
@@Mjs96117 you misspelled "Doom Emacs"
@comicsans16893 жыл бұрын
@@Mjs96117 Sorry, I don't need an OS within my OS. I have virtual machines for that.
@josemembreno49963 жыл бұрын
@@flexagonpark5467 you misspelled “O26”
@amnottabs3 жыл бұрын
*in a really thick Australian accent* na-no
@dacho7073 жыл бұрын
næ-noy
@eccomi213 жыл бұрын
Could be a dankpods reference, could be wrong.
@amnottabs3 жыл бұрын
@@eccomi21 glad someone noticed it
@eccomi213 жыл бұрын
@@Zuudo durr dollaridooos
@Sharp9313 жыл бұрын
Goes well with this mate
@franchufranchu1193 жыл бұрын
Actually, you should remove systemd, glibc, and all other glow-in-the-dark software. The only thing you need is grub, vmlinuz, a minimal HolyC compiler, and the version of vi provided by busybox.
@linxuser8973 жыл бұрын
The CIA ni.....
@drishalballaney65903 жыл бұрын
nah, use just the kernel and emacs ;)
@nyankers2 жыл бұрын
@@drishalballaney6590 emacs doesn't have a kernel yet? smh
@vodam69702 жыл бұрын
no need for vi, just use ed
@someonerandom7042 жыл бұрын
also I got rid of my mouse and keyboard and now just have two buttons: a 0 and a 1. I believe that compilers and interpreters are bloat so I just use these buttons to input cpu instructions directly into the machine.
@AoTheMighty3 жыл бұрын
Vim and Nvim are overrated, I just write on paper and scan it
@giatu13 жыл бұрын
"Tipe q to exit" One of the biggest lies in history.
@chefravioli49243 жыл бұрын
You type ':' to enter command mode, then type q and enter to exit
@giatu13 жыл бұрын
@@chefravioli4924 You also need exclamation mark (!) at the end.
@theemacsen15183 жыл бұрын
@@giatu1 only if you don’t want to save the changes made
@blufudgecrispyrice85283 жыл бұрын
it says type :q to exit. And who doesn't read the docs before using something?
@blufudgecrispyrice85283 жыл бұрын
@Big Perx I've done it too sometimes... but for easy to understand programs. With all the memes and whatnot about vim, you'd think people would research a little.
@mihailazar24873 жыл бұрын
Three most immediate thing you'll notice about nvim is that "+ actually works. If you have vim preinstalled, depending on your distro, it will be compiled with the -clipboard flag disabled. Meaning you'd have to select your text with the mouse like a noob and Ctrl+Shift+C from your terminal emulator to send someone a code snippet or something. This is horrible not only be at you touch the mouse while using vim (which is sacrilege), but also because if you have long lines you will lose indentation. The soluit for this is to download the source code for vim and compile it yourself with that flag enabled. But if you're gonna go that far, might as well just switch to neovim.
@silak332 жыл бұрын
Isn't this the distros fault rather than vim's fault? I mean if I had to judge whatever one car type is better than another, then I wouldn't compare a newly made car with a car where someone had bashed in all the windows with a hammer :P
@savantshuia2 жыл бұрын
when that happened to me on arch I just installed gVim which is just vim but it come with a GUI you'll never use and "+p and "*p
@revnouken99132 жыл бұрын
Had this problem long ago. Found the answer in the INSTALL file on /src while trying to fix a valgrind problem, you need to install libxt-dev and recompile.
@savantshuia2 жыл бұрын
@@revnouken9913 I've never see Lupin but I've heard its a classic, should probably get to watching it.
@Gurj1012 жыл бұрын
but would you use a mouse for selection? in vim ? no right ?
@esra_erimez3 жыл бұрын
Fun facts: The original "vi" editor was written by Bill Joy at Berkley.. And, there was once a editor called "nvi" that was bug-for-bug compatible with original vi editor. vim evolved from an editor called "stevie".
@nightcoder5k2 жыл бұрын
'vi' was the only choice when I was in college. We used dumb terminals in the computer labs to access the mainframes. At home, vi was efficient enough for editing code over a 2400 baud modem connection. At my first job in the early 90's after I graduated, I had to program in MSDOS. I found 'vile', a vi editor, was blazing fast compared to other DOS ports. Over the course of my career, I've converted quite a few coworkers to 'vi'. It's like a cult.
A demo of actual visible difference would have been nice though. 👍🏽
@RobBates2 жыл бұрын
Having worked with/for many large tech companies, I disagree with the generalization that single author is usually messier. In fact, I would say the reverse is far more common, but that it really boils down to the style of the repo owners. I have definitely seen both, but I would say about 90% of repos with more than 5 contributors are messy, whereas single contributors it's more like 50/50. There is a sweet spot where a few people keep each other honest because they are embarrassed to commit sloppy code, but there are still few enough of them to coordinate and communicate in an organized fashion. In fact, I would say of the 10% clean codebases with many contributors, the vast majority were ruled with an iron fist where only 1 or 2 people had the power to accept PRs.
@rugmj Жыл бұрын
rip bram
@slavko56663 жыл бұрын
Talk about single GPU pass trough in Gentoo. There's a post on r/Gentoo with the title: gentoo single gpu vfio passthrough scripts
@andrewhunnter3 жыл бұрын
i second this message
@Neko-kun-dp1hq3 жыл бұрын
Same. I would love to do it but Muta's tutorial didn't work for me and I have great difficulty reading and understanding the stuff myself.
@alkaupadhyay76503 жыл бұрын
@@Neko-kun-dp1hq Same. It is hard af to setup virt Manager perfectly
@luimu3 жыл бұрын
What's the point of running single GPU pssstrough? Only benefit I can see is faster change to guest os. Also if thigns haven't changed you can't reattach the driver back to the host so you will need to restart anyways if you change between them.
@gdr-12433 жыл бұрын
@@luimu fake news, you can do that without rebooting. That is, if you ssh to your host from whatever you have, including the VM. Also, single GPU passthrough can allow you to try distros without having to partition a disk, and you'll end up with an environment that's almost the same as your bare-metal machine
@marcovirtual3 жыл бұрын
Great video Kenny, now do a shirtless one.
@intdivisionbyzero3 жыл бұрын
Coming from a background in college, learning Nano, Emacs and Vim is really difficult, we always programmed Java using Eclipse and Python/C++ etc using Geany/VSCode if on Windows/Mac etc. Really happy that Vim, Nano and Emacs are very well documented and information is easy to find, idk, my two cents. Probably just gonna stick with Vim cause it seems alot easier once you get a bit more experience with the program.
@lama-chan2 жыл бұрын
in my university all of our coding in c had to be done in vim and now i can't stand working in vs code
@cdoublejj2 жыл бұрын
i find nano easier to use than vim
@jamesdickerson67262 жыл бұрын
Once you get over that initial learning curve with Vim, it really does make a world of difference. I have EVERYTHING on my computer with vim-like bindings. Qutebrowser, dwm window manager, etc. It really is the most efficient way of doing things.
@cdoublejj2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesdickerson6726 learning curve? that's whole lot of learning and curving for a 2 second edit to the fstab file. Having take a course on vi and vim, Nano is life. i propose a national holiday for Nano.
@encycl07pedia-2 жыл бұрын
@@cdoublejj Are you trolling or are you really that proud to be unskilled using a console version of Notepad?
@yash11522 жыл бұрын
2:14 "as far as commits are concerned" yeah, sometimes someone else makes the changes, but when they are merged, the commit is shown by the maintainer. and here as well, u can see that these are the patches commited by him. And as the licence of vim mentions, that changes/patches can be mailed to him to get them merged. so.... that's that. TL;DR: the commit history's overview there doesnt says much about if others are involved or not. Edit: oh, ohkay, this is addressed immediately after.
@jemag3 жыл бұрын
Built-in LSP client and Treesitter are also 2 big differentiators for Neovim
@k98killer2 жыл бұрын
I've been using vim since I was a kid. Always been sufficient for my purposes. As far as I'm concerned, it's a black box with lightly colored text and a unique input method. If I ever have to do a significant amount of code editing via a non-graphical interface, I'll give neovim a try. Sounds cool. Hopefully it's compatible with my screen rc file. Pixel pushing in an rc file is a real pain in the ass.
@brissance9 ай бұрын
how? kids are not that smart.
@k98killer9 ай бұрын
@@brissance I graduated highschool as salutatorian with an associate of arts degree. Some kids are that smart.
@gamer-gw9iy7 ай бұрын
@@k98killerAA is pretty easy bro.. Had my AA credits done by junior year HS
@joaopedrodeamorimpaula89653 жыл бұрын
i'm sorry but there's only ed, the standard editor.
@sayanghosh69963 жыл бұрын
cat > textfile content... ctrl+d
@joaopedrodeamorimpaula89653 жыл бұрын
@@sayanghosh6996 real chad never makes a mistake
@kc10873 жыл бұрын
To me personally the fact that NeoVim doesnt ask me to donate to africans sold me instantly, I hated the Vim message.
@favor943 жыл бұрын
is that a bad thing to do ?
@netbotcl5863 жыл бұрын
it does.
@favor943 жыл бұрын
@@netbotcl586 why
@netbotcl5863 жыл бұрын
@@favor94 idk; i just say that neovim also asks you to donate.
@chrkrngl3 жыл бұрын
You can disable the Vim "splash screen" which shows the messages. Or change the source code. Vim is very easy to compile yourself.
@generalmichaelconstantine45983 жыл бұрын
One more thing you forgot to mention is that neovim has its config file stored in .config while vim has it in the home directory. It may be important for some users
@alouisschafer72123 жыл бұрын
why would they do that? Seems illogical.
@chandakangwa19173 жыл бұрын
heck, i was supposed to go to sleep 4 hours ago... but then i kept on trying to install vim plug and i thought i was running vim and my .vimrc was in home and stuff like that... turns out, my whole life was a lie
@christopherjenkins6174 Жыл бұрын
I know it’s been 2 years but that’s specifically why I use neovim. I refuse to use programs that won’t adhere to XDG standards. Or I’ll build the program from source and make it XDG compliant. I hate clutter in my home directory 😭
@gormless-idiot7 ай бұрын
@@alouisschafer7212 it's because neovim's use case is for desktop users who live in their mother's basement, in a place where nobody else uses the computer. VIM's configuration is in the user's home folder because it's intended for use on both single user and multi user machines, so that the computer's users can have individual VIM configs to suit their needs instead of a single global configuration that every user has to deal with.
@gormless-idiot7 ай бұрын
@@christopherjenkins6174 you just outed yourself as a neet
@almasabdrazak50893 жыл бұрын
The Boomer here, Neovim 4.3 is a cave man old , switch to 5.0 nightly xD
@OggerFN3 жыл бұрын
You shouldn't use nightly builds with neovim imo
@ishanagarwal4753 жыл бұрын
@@OggerFN I've been using master for 4-5 months whats the problem?
@OggerFN3 жыл бұрын
@@ishanagarwal475 You will probably run into bugs if you use the latest features
@ishanagarwal4753 жыл бұрын
@@OggerFN I didn't.
@OggerFN3 жыл бұрын
@@ishanagarwal475 Good for you then. I will wait until they declare a version stable
@kemi2423 жыл бұрын
I never had the patience to learn Vi/Vim properly. There are so many nice and intuitive graphical editors, that don't rudely beep at you as you're trying to type, and you don't have to read the manual on how to quit.
@alouisschafer72123 жыл бұрын
shit needs to be easy to use for my normie brain
@mytop56023 жыл бұрын
all shitty bloatware
@techworld30432 жыл бұрын
When you learn that it is fucking fast
@serene-dev2 жыл бұрын
I was using vim as my main editor. Once I tried to symlink vimrc to neovim config, and alias vim=nvim. And I found that neovim loads much faster compared to vim. Since then I use neovim.
@MrMaiaBang3 жыл бұрын
Just today I asked myself this very question! You have been so on point with these vids that I happily disable my adblock for these :) Cheers mate
@moatazfouad23173 жыл бұрын
Weird how I had just installed both these morning and you made a video abt them 😂 , keep up the good work
@spyro36353 жыл бұрын
“Ed is the standard text editor.” Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all. ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!
@akarimasuta3 жыл бұрын
?
@josemembreno49963 жыл бұрын
What happened to good old “O26”?
@muha06443 жыл бұрын
echo $x > file.foo there, hope that answers this question.
@SFSAtlas3 жыл бұрын
cat file.foo > file.bar
@youcefkel47433 жыл бұрын
it feels unique to watch ur videos man . ur channel is like a shelter that protects us from the trendy BS
@Samji38773 жыл бұрын
that really set the foundation for the two thank you - have an excellent day!
@remrevo39442 жыл бұрын
One big difference is that neovim natively includes a lsp-client, which is invaluable for people who write code.
@adissentingopinion8482 жыл бұрын
Oooh, that makes a lot of difference. I just took it for granted that I could find a VHDL language server connection, but the native support made it ludicrously easy.
@remrevo39442 жыл бұрын
@@adissentingopinion848 Also it is possible to write your config in lua instead of vimscript
@christoesh89014 ай бұрын
Anything vim lacks compared to neovim can be added with plugins. But something vim can do that neovim can NEVER do is ssh into a remote system and edit a file directly in the terminal.
@remrevo39444 ай бұрын
@@christoesh8901 I mean everything except for using a lua config. (Maybe through rpc, but I'm not sure.) Also what makes you think you can't edit files through ssh with neovim? Both opening a remote file directly through neovim, as well as editing with neovim through an ssh connection work just like with vim.
@christoesh89014 ай бұрын
@@remrevo3944 Cause most servers won't have it installed.
@HenryTitor2 жыл бұрын
I feel like we should make a malware that opens and fullscreen Vim/Neovim whenever they use their computer. Would probably help alot with computer literacy
@@xtdycxtfuv9353 if you are referencing Ctrl+W+q for quit, then you are one of the computer illiterates
@maurolimaok4 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. Knowing the commands are compatible allows me to use sites to learn these commands before go to NeoVim.
@opiniondiscarded66503 жыл бұрын
Doesn't Neovim drop some legacy terminal support? If it does, no thanks.
@demolazer8 ай бұрын
I've been self teaching peogramming for the past year. Decided to learn vim and I'm really enjoying it! It reminds me of when I used to play RTS games with lots of keybindings. I now understand why people love it.
@ttheno13 жыл бұрын
"My text editor has 'neo' in it, so I'm a hacker now!"
@ricardocesar88833 жыл бұрын
Nice profile pic, i love Omori!
@ttheno13 жыл бұрын
@@ricardocesar8883 thanks, also same (lel)
@scottmiller25912 жыл бұрын
The burning question for me is usually "How much of a PITA is it going to be to install, configure, and maintain?" All in all, a good summary of the two editors, though.
@haziqsembilanlima3 жыл бұрын
Vim logo seems to be inspired by Megaman X for some reason. NeoVim kinda looks like Android N logo
@larriyrnir57563 жыл бұрын
Which Should You Use? emacs
@StrangeIndeed3 жыл бұрын
I've always wondered what's the difference between the two, so thank U so the video :3
@arnaudparan14192 жыл бұрын
tbh since I use arch I very rarely see bugs, and never noticed any in neovim. And the rare times I spotted something going wrong on arch it was pretty easy and straightforward to fix it. Compared to when I was using ubuntu and spotting bugs all the time, I consider arch much safer.
@Ezekiel-dude9 ай бұрын
btw...
@kashantariq99873 жыл бұрын
Thought you were a "vim elitist."
@paulosantana96073 жыл бұрын
it's better to be a nvim commoner
@gavinridley57273 жыл бұрын
literally got nvim just for the python scripting interface
@yoshikagekira76003 жыл бұрын
Can you explain a bit, how it is better than other editor for python scripts?
@francescovolpini3 жыл бұрын
@@yoshikagekira7600 it's just the better text editor, i've also read that as an ide emacs would do the job even better, but don't quote me on that
@Ultrajamz3 жыл бұрын
N vim?.... 🤔
@bsatyam3 жыл бұрын
I was literally thinking about this when I recently starting using LARBS and you upload a video on it.
@kevyyar3 жыл бұрын
I’m lost using LARBS. I’m a noob and I don’t even know how to customize it and make it my own. Change terminal color, change default browser, change fonts on the dwmblocks or terminal etc.
@censoredterminalautism40733 жыл бұрын
@@kevyyar Starting slowly from scratch could help. Using someone else's configs seems like it could easily become overwhelming because you will suddenly have to learn a bunch of new tools all at the same time. I recommend installing a simple distribution and learning whatever you're most interested in first, and then gradually adopting new tools and moving to systems that require a little more knowledge. There is no rush.
@bsatyam3 жыл бұрын
@@censoredterminalautism4073 In some cases it might but I did not want to spend time trying to get a usable setup. Instead I went with a usable setup already in place and learning the configuration stuff as I go along. @kevthedev just have a look at the variables defined in config.h for DWM in .local/src/dwm. You can change the file manager DWM looks for to a bash variable $FM and then change your prefered file manager directly from .bashrc without having to recompile DWM (You will have to recompile it once though). For changing colors, just install 'wal' and run "setbg img.png" and it will both change the background and the color scheme intelligently derived from the image. It works great.
@user-wx8my6rb1r3 жыл бұрын
also neovim weighs 20+ MB when vim takes up only 4 KB or something, you can even write it on a floppy disk if you really want to not that much compared to other editors though
@fabiogulmini46643 жыл бұрын
Both take around 30mb (not sure) the reason of vim taking 4kb is that with neovim you already installed most of the dependencies that also vim needs
@romydrah56063 жыл бұрын
That's a symlink bro
@mihailazar24873 жыл бұрын
Idk if I like vim playing catch-up with nvim Vim is supposed to be reliable. It's supposed to be the thing that saves your ass when you're in Ctrl+Alt+F2 tryina see why your computer won't boot
@FranLMSP3 жыл бұрын
Kenny what do you think of SpaceVim?
@dadecountyboos3 жыл бұрын
citation needed but i thought last time i looked at installing neovim that is was unconfined... plain 'ole vim is already wonderful thanks for sharing
@siwiecministro19943 жыл бұрын
@8:12 There is so much competition between free software products, that none of the graphical environments offers non-overlay scrollbars anymore... ;>
@nissengummihone3 жыл бұрын
Video on Sway when?
@leilei87723 жыл бұрын
You can run neovim in Vscode. That made me switch.
@raymondwright2 жыл бұрын
In my case I learned how to exit Vim, but that's all I can do. Vim seems unintuitive, VS code is much more confortable and has a lot of functionality.
@earthling_parth2 жыл бұрын
Got it, installing nvim on my new Framework laptop right away :)
@MostWanted17O13 жыл бұрын
You didnt answer the most important question. Which one do you prefer to use? I just go with whatever is installed and dont care too much.
@knghtbrd Жыл бұрын
neovim does tend to get more bugs in newer features, but they are usually pretty quickly squashed. vim is a little more conservative and doesn't have as many flashy terminal features or support for random scripting languages … but if you don't need or care about those features, it almost doesn't matter which one you use. A major feature of neovim for me is yank buffer integration with the system clipboard. You *can* do it with vim with the right stuff enabled, but nvim just has it. (On Debian systems for example, you need the full-fat GUI-enabled version of vim to have the feature at all, even if you're only ever going to run it in a terminal.) If any scripts or plugins you use are vimscript-based, they ought to work in both. But it's possible to turn neovim into a modal VSCode-alike if you don't mind running some typescript node.js crap along with your already not insubstantial editor. My init.vim works as a .vimrc on any system with vim 8 and git. (I do use a few plugins-vim-sensible, editorconfig-vim, and a few syntax plugins mostly.
@harleyspeedthrust40139 ай бұрын
blud u could just compile vim with plus clibord and b chillin my guy no need for fat vim and pls dont turn ur neovim into vscode bruh
@lusun5784Ай бұрын
Bram Moolenaar passed away on Aug 3, 2023. Now Vim has been taken over by the contributors in the community who have a lot of love on him.
@alieninvaders11888 ай бұрын
Vim = Modern China Nvim = United States of America
@amadlover Жыл бұрын
QUESTION: If the code for nvim is cleaner than vim, would it also mean that the execution of the nvim is also cleaner than vim ?
@neodonkey Жыл бұрын
I had thought this might be so, so i used the UNIX time command to compare, and Neovim was more CPU intensive despite its code being so 'clean'. It used more memory too.
@licokr4 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot! it's so informative!
@phlynniii8 ай бұрын
Well, thank you for bringing some things up... Last 20 years vim now Neovim. Thank you from me here...
@Rami-L3 жыл бұрын
“Spaghetti code” Vim is bloat??
@bsatyam3 жыл бұрын
Spaghetti code does not necessarily mean bloat, it just means code that is so convoluted that it's hard for other developers to understand. Like not respecting encapsulation and accessing anything from anywhere will create a sort of web you wouldn't want to untangle unless you're the one who wrote it.
@calabrais4 күн бұрын
RIP Bram, he did a :wq on life 🥺
@sugaryhull96883 жыл бұрын
I'm more of a "GNU Nano" kinda guy (i.e. not a programmer)
@pavelnovak48883 жыл бұрын
Neovim doesnt really work with non qwertz keyboards and AltGr
@giatu13 жыл бұрын
That's good to know. I use Dvorak.
@giatu13 жыл бұрын
I think you mean "Neovim" btw
@pavelnovak48883 жыл бұрын
@@giatu1 yes I made a typo
@anonymous25963 жыл бұрын
I use nano... Vim is to advanced for what I use it for.
@glowiak34303 жыл бұрын
VI > VIM > VIMIM > VIMIMIM > VIMIMIMIM Vi > Vi Improved > ViM Improved > VIMIM Improved
@slayeeerrr2 жыл бұрын
nvim broke your standard nomenclature.
@Defal_3 жыл бұрын
Good morning, evening, night or Afternoon y'all
@_grzehotnik3 жыл бұрын
Which should you choose? VS Code
@special59343 жыл бұрын
@Mental Outlaw, could you do a video on image editors? I keep a windows laptop aside specifically for photoshop because of how inconvenient GIMP’s default settings are.
@GabrielMartins-wp6ps3 жыл бұрын
There is a patch called photogimp that give gimp the same key bindings and a layout that match more closely to photoshop
@tbttfox3 жыл бұрын
Personally, I've switched over from GIMP to Krita, and haven't looked back.
@lifebarier3 жыл бұрын
Which one is more immune to CoC? Also, vim/nvim VS kak/kakoune ?
@akojic54863 жыл бұрын
Sry, btw I use Emacs. :-)))
@apestogetherstrong3413 жыл бұрын
(((
@njlschpprkjrsvk3 жыл бұрын
yes
@apereirafernandez3 жыл бұрын
oh I thought Emacs was an os
@gaffclant3 жыл бұрын
I use arch btw get one upped NORMIE
@Dther993 жыл бұрын
I use artix, I haven’t shaved my beard in months
@seanwieland97632 жыл бұрын
Church of EMACS for life!
@shredded_lettuce3 жыл бұрын
Love your videos! Do you think you could start leaving at least another few seconds of silence after the end though so that if they're in a playlist (like Watch Later) the next video doesn't automatically play unexpectedly? 😅
@xxxxxxx389 ай бұрын
, the name "Vim" was an acronym for "Vi IMitation", but this changed to "'Vi IMproved" late in 1993.
@mike945609 ай бұрын
Bram passed away in Aug 2023.
@kenwood71953 жыл бұрын
NeoVim is a fork of Vim. Essentially Bram Moolenaar did all the work for both and I see NeoVim as a bit of a backstab to Vim's creator. Also Bram pushes hard for people to donate to helping children in Uganda which makes him a bloody good guy in my opinion. Use Vim and do the right thing.
@TheJackal9172 жыл бұрын
3:20 - don't go that road, man.
@nicholascureton9333 жыл бұрын
I use vim. It's already installed in most server.
@benocxx79063 жыл бұрын
I really like your videos! :)
@pzzcc2 жыл бұрын
I am a happy emacs user. It took me time to understand but I can’t use vim or neovim anymore . Emacs is just too damn good , it blows my mind when i want to do something special and i find it builtin 😀 Plus this neovim thing took forever, i am no longer excited .
@ProfessorSlimezz2 жыл бұрын
I got stuck in vim, when I first started with linux and I never went back.
@agaga58863 жыл бұрын
I use PaleoVim
@sambird73 жыл бұрын
virgin vim vs chad kakoune
@flleaf3 жыл бұрын
8:15 competition for free products? this could scare capitalists to death!
@HumbleHuman-k7g3 жыл бұрын
Nice point 👏
@jerbear79526 ай бұрын
People sure do like that closing vim joke don't they...
@Rignchen3 ай бұрын
I watched this cause my friend was like "stop using vim, use nvim" and I didn't knew the differences, well I still feel like the only difference is who made it
@pjf3 жыл бұрын
I prefer to use nano :D
@hikingpete3 жыл бұрын
If you're interested in competition among editors, you should check out xi-editor and kakoune. Both of them bring big new ideas to the table.
@atimholt3 жыл бұрын
I've tried getting into Kakoune, but the documentation is a bit painful. If there's one thing (Neo)Vim get(s) right, it's its massive amount of documentation.
@limitless1692 Жыл бұрын
Thaks for the advice. I was an Atom code editor user... But now that Microsoft k!led it, I am looking into something more stable. I belive that VIM is the way foreward for me, thank You :)