The three differences covered in this video: - Vim is developed and maintained by one person - Nvim is developed and maintained by the community - Vim does not support asynchronous execution - Nvim does support asynchronous execution - Vim does not have great LUA support - Nvim does have great LUA support All of that for 10 minutes

Nothing beats a good old pencil and some paper.

Easy random character generator: get a random person in front of Vi and ask him to close the program

I can't exit both so there isn't really any change for me

The chad answer is typically: Whichever is already installed

But for real. Vim has the superior logo

I use an AZERTY keyboard, and only neovim can understand special character for map command like "map à 0" or other non ASCII character, so I recommend it to anyone with a keyboard with those kind of unusual keys on it.

The virgin VIM and NeoVIM vs the chad not knowing how to do shell scripts in the first place

Your point about vim being developed by a single person vs neovim being a community project seems a bit strange, since in your video capture of the vim commit history, every single commit was a patch merge. What I'm seeing is just different merge methods: a single commiter applying patches, vs merging pull requests. Also my experience with the quality of code when it's mostly a single person writing it vs a large number of people submitting changes is quite the opposite of what you described.

As a beginner in vim, what i am getting from this video is that i don't know enough to need neovim.

Light themed github killing my eyes in 1am

So, the bottom like is, if you don’t run an old computer from the 80’s, then go for Neovim.

*in a really thick Australian accent* na-no

Actually, you should remove systemd, glibc, and all other glow-in-the-dark software. The only thing you need is grub, vmlinuz, a minimal HolyC compiler, and the version of vi provided by busybox.

Vim and Nvim are overrated, I just write on paper and scan it

"Tipe q to exit" One of the biggest lies in history.

Three most immediate thing you'll notice about nvim is that "+ actually works. If you have vim preinstalled, depending on your distro, it will be compiled with the -clipboard flag disabled. Meaning you'd have to select your text with the mouse like a noob and Ctrl+Shift+C from your terminal emulator to send someone a code snippet or something. This is horrible not only be at you touch the mouse while using vim (which is sacrilege), but also because if you have long lines you will lose indentation. The soluit for this is to download the source code for vim and compile it yourself with that flag enabled. But if you're gonna go that far, might as well just switch to neovim.

Fun facts: The original "vi" editor was written by Bill Joy at Berkley.. And, there was once a editor called "nvi" that was bug-for-bug compatible with original vi editor. vim evolved from an editor called "stevie".

RIP Bram

A demo of actual visible difference would have been nice though. 👍🏽

Having worked with/for many large tech companies, I disagree with the generalization that single author is usually messier. In fact, I would say the reverse is far more common, but that it really boils down to the style of the repo owners. I have definitely seen both, but I would say about 90% of repos with more than 5 contributors are messy, whereas single contributors it's more like 50/50. There is a sweet spot where a few people keep each other honest because they are embarrassed to commit sloppy code, but there are still few enough of them to coordinate and communicate in an organized fashion. In fact, I would say of the 10% clean codebases with many contributors, the vast majority were ruled with an iron fist where only 1 or 2 people had the power to accept PRs.

rip bram

Talk about single GPU pass trough in Gentoo. There's a post on r/Gentoo with the title: gentoo single gpu vfio passthrough scripts

Great video Kenny, now do a shirtless one.

Coming from a background in college, learning Nano, Emacs and Vim is really difficult, we always programmed Java using Eclipse and Python/C++ etc using Geany/VSCode if on Windows/Mac etc. Really happy that Vim, Nano and Emacs are very well documented and information is easy to find, idk, my two cents. Probably just gonna stick with Vim cause it seems alot easier once you get a bit more experience with the program.

2:14 "as far as commits are concerned" yeah, sometimes someone else makes the changes, but when they are merged, the commit is shown by the maintainer. and here as well, u can see that these are the patches commited by him. And as the licence of vim mentions, that changes/patches can be mailed to him to get them merged. so.... that's that. TL;DR: the commit history's overview there doesnt says much about if others are involved or not. Edit: oh, ohkay, this is addressed immediately after.

Built-in LSP client and Treesitter are also 2 big differentiators for Neovim

I've been using vim since I was a kid. Always been sufficient for my purposes. As far as I'm concerned, it's a black box with lightly colored text and a unique input method. If I ever have to do a significant amount of code editing via a non-graphical interface, I'll give neovim a try. Sounds cool. Hopefully it's compatible with my screen rc file. Pixel pushing in an rc file is a real pain in the ass.

i'm sorry but there's only ed, the standard editor.

To me personally the fact that NeoVim doesnt ask me to donate to africans sold me instantly, I hated the Vim message.

One more thing you forgot to mention is that neovim has its config file stored in .config while vim has it in the home directory. It may be important for some users

The Boomer here, Neovim 4.3 is a cave man old , switch to 5.0 nightly xD

I never had the patience to learn Vi/Vim properly. There are so many nice and intuitive graphical editors, that don't rudely beep at you as you're trying to type, and you don't have to read the manual on how to quit.

I was using vim as my main editor. Once I tried to symlink vimrc to neovim config, and alias vim=nvim. And I found that neovim loads much faster compared to vim. Since then I use neovim.

Just today I asked myself this very question! You have been so on point with these vids that I happily disable my adblock for these :) Cheers mate

Weird how I had just installed both these morning and you made a video abt them 😂 , keep up the good work

“Ed is the standard text editor.” Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all. ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! ED HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! ED WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR! ED MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!!

echo $x > file.foo there, hope that answers this question.

it feels unique to watch ur videos man . ur channel is like a shelter that protects us from the trendy BS

that really set the foundation for the two thank you - have an excellent day!

One big difference is that neovim natively includes a lsp-client, which is invaluable for people who write code.

I feel like we should make a malware that opens and fullscreen Vim/Neovim whenever they use their computer. Would probably help alot with computer literacy

Thanks for the video. Knowing the commands are compatible allows me to use sites to learn these commands before go to NeoVim.

Doesn't Neovim drop some legacy terminal support? If it does, no thanks.

I've been self teaching peogramming for the past year. Decided to learn vim and I'm really enjoying it! It reminds me of when I used to play RTS games with lots of keybindings. I now understand why people love it.

"My text editor has 'neo' in it, so I'm a hacker now!"

The burning question for me is usually "How much of a PITA is it going to be to install, configure, and maintain?" All in all, a good summary of the two editors, though.

Vim logo seems to be inspired by Megaman X for some reason. NeoVim kinda looks like Android N logo

Which Should You Use? emacs

I've always wondered what's the difference between the two, so thank U so the video :3

tbh since I use arch I very rarely see bugs, and never noticed any in neovim. And the rare times I spotted something going wrong on arch it was pretty easy and straightforward to fix it. Compared to when I was using ubuntu and spotting bugs all the time, I consider arch much safer.

Thought you were a "vim elitist."

literally got nvim just for the python scripting interface

N vim?.... 🤔

I was literally thinking about this when I recently starting using LARBS and you upload a video on it.

also neovim weighs 20+ MB when vim takes up only 4 KB or something, you can even write it on a floppy disk if you really want to not that much compared to other editors though

Idk if I like vim playing catch-up with nvim Vim is supposed to be reliable. It's supposed to be the thing that saves your ass when you're in Ctrl+Alt+F2 tryina see why your computer won't boot

Kenny what do you think of SpaceVim?

citation needed but i thought last time i looked at installing neovim that is was unconfined... plain 'ole vim is already wonderful thanks for sharing

@8:12 There is so much competition between free software products, that none of the graphical environments offers non-overlay scrollbars anymore... ;>

Video on Sway when?

You can run neovim in Vscode. That made me switch.

In my case I learned how to exit Vim, but that's all I can do. Vim seems unintuitive, VS code is much more confortable and has a lot of functionality.

Got it, installing nvim on my new Framework laptop right away :)

You didnt answer the most important question. Which one do you prefer to use? I just go with whatever is installed and dont care too much.

neovim does tend to get more bugs in newer features, but they are usually pretty quickly squashed. vim is a little more conservative and doesn't have as many flashy terminal features or support for random scripting languages … but if you don't need or care about those features, it almost doesn't matter which one you use. A major feature of neovim for me is yank buffer integration with the system clipboard. You *can* do it with vim with the right stuff enabled, but nvim just has it. (On Debian systems for example, you need the full-fat GUI-enabled version of vim to have the feature at all, even if you're only ever going to run it in a terminal.) If any scripts or plugins you use are vimscript-based, they ought to work in both. But it's possible to turn neovim into a modal VSCode-alike if you don't mind running some typescript node.js crap along with your already not insubstantial editor. My init.vim works as a .vimrc on any system with vim 8 and git. (I do use a few plugins-vim-sensible, editorconfig-vim, and a few syntax plugins mostly.

Bram Moolenaar passed away on Aug 3, 2023. Now Vim has been taken over by the contributors in the community who have a lot of love on him.

Vim = Modern China Nvim = United States of America

QUESTION: If the code for nvim is cleaner than vim, would it also mean that the execution of the nvim is also cleaner than vim ?

Thanks a lot! it's so informative!

Well, thank you for bringing some things up... Last 20 years vim now Neovim. Thank you from me here...

“Spaghetti code” Vim is bloat??

RIP Bram, he did a :wq on life 🥺

I'm more of a "GNU Nano" kinda guy (i.e. not a programmer)

Neovim doesnt really work with non qwertz keyboards and AltGr

I use nano... Vim is to advanced for what I use it for.

VI > VIM > VIMIM > VIMIMIM > VIMIMIMIM Vi > Vi Improved > ViM Improved > VIMIM Improved

Good morning, evening, night or Afternoon y'all

Which should you choose? VS Code

@Mental Outlaw, could you do a video on image editors? I keep a windows laptop aside specifically for photoshop because of how inconvenient GIMP’s default settings are.

Which one is more immune to CoC? Also, vim/nvim VS kak/kakoune ?

Sry, btw I use Emacs. :-)))

Church of EMACS for life!

Love your videos! Do you think you could start leaving at least another few seconds of silence after the end though so that if they're in a playlist (like Watch Later) the next video doesn't automatically play unexpectedly? 😅

, the name "Vim" was an acronym for "Vi IMitation", but this changed to "'Vi IMproved" late in 1993.

Bram passed away in Aug 2023.

NeoVim is a fork of Vim. Essentially Bram Moolenaar did all the work for both and I see NeoVim as a bit of a backstab to Vim's creator. Also Bram pushes hard for people to donate to helping children in Uganda which makes him a bloody good guy in my opinion. Use Vim and do the right thing.

3:20 - don't go that road, man.

I use vim. It's already installed in most server.

I really like your videos! :)

I am a happy emacs user. It took me time to understand but I can’t use vim or neovim anymore . Emacs is just too damn good , it blows my mind when i want to do something special and i find it builtin 😀 Plus this neovim thing took forever, i am no longer excited .

I got stuck in vim, when I first started with linux and I never went back.

I use PaleoVim

virgin vim vs chad kakoune

8:15 competition for free products? this could scare capitalists to death!

People sure do like that closing vim joke don't they...

I watched this cause my friend was like "stop using vim, use nvim" and I didn't knew the differences, well I still feel like the only difference is who made it

I prefer to use nano :D

If you're interested in competition among editors, you should check out xi-editor and kakoune. Both of them bring big new ideas to the table.

Thaks for the advice. I was an Atom code editor user... But now that Microsoft k!led it, I am looking into something more stable. I belive that VIM is the way foreward for me, thank You :)